British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
Bridchen: As a frequent customer in premium cabins (and one whose next trip in F is booked in two weeks time), I can assure you that I'd rather be served cold tea by a smiling baggage loader who understands that I need to get home to the wife & kids, than Dom Perignon by a mate of McLuskey who would abandon me at the ends of the earth without a second thought. The BA brand lies in the quality of its people, not in the contents of its wine bottles.
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Bobinupandown - what is the point of your post, exactly? I just stated that I'm a NON striking crew member. There are a lot of us. I'm sick of members of the public and flight crew making silly comments when they haven't even verified what my stance is. If you've just come on the forum to have an indiscriminate pop at crew in general, maybe your next stop should be the self-help section at Waterstones.
Max Tow - I clearly stated that I'm a NON striking crew member. This thread is for flying staff, and it clearly states that. We are trying to sort our issues between us. Being rude to the crew who will be spat at by colleagues is unhelpful.
Max Tow - I clearly stated that I'm a NON striking crew member. This thread is for flying staff, and it clearly states that. We are trying to sort our issues between us. Being rude to the crew who will be spat at by colleagues is unhelpful.
Bridchen: I have nothing but praise for non striking staff - perhaps you have misread my posts. It's you who suggests that premium customers will not be grateful for BA & the VCC's efforts to provide short term continuity, and I happen to disagree. By the way, this forum is stated at the beginning as being for all airline staff not just cabin crew.
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Max Tow, I'm sorry, I did misunderstand! I was under the impression, from your question, that you were crew with another airline. That was why I was discussing the problems with volunteer crew. Of course it's better to get home swigging Special Brew, than not at all, but if a full service can be delivered between strike action, then people should get what they pay for. The crews are rostered anyway, and on the payroll anyway, so financially for the company, it doesn't make sense. Also, there just aren't enough volunteers for that.
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pilots' utter contempt for us and derogatory manner in talking about us
Few, if any pilots hold you in "utter contempt" - though I know efforts have been made on another forum to create that impression.
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Allatt - just calling people "arrogant" when they present a balanced argument to your views isn't engaing in debate, IMHO.
Cries of "Impositon!" and "The pilots got a share deal and we didn't" doesn't wash with me. The fact is, if negotiations were entered into (and that means people being adult, putting aside their own personal ambitions and sitting in the same room together) from the start with a "can do" attitude rather than a "We are not going to change, end of", everyone in BA would be looking forward to a better summer.
(edited to add) Bridchen - I agree with Wiggy.
Cries of "Impositon!" and "The pilots got a share deal and we didn't" doesn't wash with me. The fact is, if negotiations were entered into (and that means people being adult, putting aside their own personal ambitions and sitting in the same room together) from the start with a "can do" attitude rather than a "We are not going to change, end of", everyone in BA would be looking forward to a better summer.
(edited to add) Bridchen - I agree with Wiggy.
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And therefore I will certainly have a pop at BA CC who dont support BASSA. For a long time you have abided by, and presumably tacitly agreed with, the control BASSA have exercised over your work routines.
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Prawn2king4, then I disagree. You can disagree with the current union stance and want no part of it but that doesn't make you complicit in supporting them by proxy. A great many crew don't belong to Bassa (or have recently resigned), were previously members of CC89 or don't belong to any union.
Past agreements that crew work to were agreed between BA and the unions (there were two, in case you're unaware) - so working to them is as supportive of BA as anything. The current problems arise because of unions' failure to negotiate.
Past agreements that crew work to were agreed between BA and the unions (there were two, in case you're unaware) - so working to them is as supportive of BA as anything. The current problems arise because of unions' failure to negotiate.
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Some of the comments Iīm reading on here from last night and this morning are indeed very offensive and should be moderated out but then historically, I wouldnīt have expected anything better from their posters. It makes me realise why I havenīt bothered with this forum for quite a while! I see weīre back to suggesting that CC canīt read and theyīre guilty for service standard reductions by association. Better get on with serious issues for today, not trivia like this.
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I've read here, as a virgin PPRuNer, pilots' utter contempt for us and derogatory manner in talking about us, has created an unmendable chasm.
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Originally Posted by 24-06
Given your listed occupation on your profile, is that of any concern to you or frankly any of your business?
Also DH's pathetic ramblings have blamed the pilots at every turn for his own failings - so yes IMHO License to Fly has a right to have a say.
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I couldn't agree more Meal Chucker.
How any member of the CC who voted for this current action expect any other employee of the airline or affected passenger to NOT have an opinion is quite remarkable!
I assume the intention of the intended action is to cause maximum disruption to as many people as possible employees and pax alike.
The repercussions of their decision will be far reaching both for the flying staff and the company and it seems the blinkered insular view of the strike voters have been very poorly considered in the full context of the airline, the UK and world economy as a whole.
By voting for 20 days of strike they are putting my livelihood directly at stake. Not asking me to work harder on slightly reduced terms and conditions or demanding changes to my work practices but jeopardising my family and my career. I hope they see that that is the same for 30,000 employees of BA and the countless ancillary contracted employees worldwide.
In those circumstances they can expect little support and deep animosity.
A great shame for those who did not vote for this current circumstance.
How any member of the CC who voted for this current action expect any other employee of the airline or affected passenger to NOT have an opinion is quite remarkable!
I assume the intention of the intended action is to cause maximum disruption to as many people as possible employees and pax alike.
The repercussions of their decision will be far reaching both for the flying staff and the company and it seems the blinkered insular view of the strike voters have been very poorly considered in the full context of the airline, the UK and world economy as a whole.
By voting for 20 days of strike they are putting my livelihood directly at stake. Not asking me to work harder on slightly reduced terms and conditions or demanding changes to my work practices but jeopardising my family and my career. I hope they see that that is the same for 30,000 employees of BA and the countless ancillary contracted employees worldwide.
In those circumstances they can expect little support and deep animosity.
A great shame for those who did not vote for this current circumstance.
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LICENSE TO FLY: Another angry response by BA a CC member - with attitudes like that I can see why BASSA still have got nowhere now
So... to answer your curt post, it is actually my concern as its also my company YOU are ruining.
If i was in charge of rosters i would ensure striking cabin crew could not plan any of their month of June - just like our customers can't plan their travels.
If you took the trouble to look at my previous posts, you would see that you couldnīt be further from the truth! Please donīt apologise by saying you did not realise I was a non striking CC member. I will restate that the content of a cabin crew roster is that crew memberīs business and nobody else's!
My comments in the posts I have made this morning are designed to alert the moderators that the level of 'discussion' if you can call it that is completely unacceptable. Iīm sure many others would agree. I am going to alert them directly.
So... to answer your curt post, it is actually my concern as its also my company YOU are ruining.
If i was in charge of rosters i would ensure striking cabin crew could not plan any of their month of June - just like our customers can't plan their travels.
If you took the trouble to look at my previous posts, you would see that you couldnīt be further from the truth! Please donīt apologise by saying you did not realise I was a non striking CC member. I will restate that the content of a cabin crew roster is that crew memberīs business and nobody else's!
My comments in the posts I have made this morning are designed to alert the moderators that the level of 'discussion' if you can call it that is completely unacceptable. Iīm sure many others would agree. I am going to alert them directly.
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Regarding rosters during the total strike period I hope that BA just wipe all rosters and treat the 'work days' between strikes as strike days also. If the company does this then they should be able to mount an almost complete operation and give the public a better idea if their flight will depart.
I am hopeful that all cc will be getting phone calls enquiring if they will be working during the strike periods. Those that indicate yes, but do not turn up for a rostered duty will be deemed to be guilty of mis-conduct. Those that indicate their willingness to strike can obviously be accounted for and will allow the company to plan accordingly. Anyone refusing to answer will just be considered to be on strike.
If the company just treats the 23 day period as one period it will put enormous pressure on strikers to return to work.
All this nastiness for what????
I am hopeful that all cc will be getting phone calls enquiring if they will be working during the strike periods. Those that indicate yes, but do not turn up for a rostered duty will be deemed to be guilty of mis-conduct. Those that indicate their willingness to strike can obviously be accounted for and will allow the company to plan accordingly. Anyone refusing to answer will just be considered to be on strike.
If the company just treats the 23 day period as one period it will put enormous pressure on strikers to return to work.
All this nastiness for what????
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Will this strike just burn out?
I'm BA CC and I certainly will not be (and never have been) on strike. It seems apparent that these latest dates to be announced have really insensed everyone (rightly so) particularily in view of the latest disruption with the volcanic ash. However, aren't BASSA running out of time with regards to their 12 week strike protection time frame? 
What is their plan really? If I were a BASSA member/supporter of the strike, I'd be asking some serious questions about where this is all leading to?
With even more supporters than ever this time round, it looks like BA will be able to operate the majority of its schedule, therefore, the strike will have even less impact. WW will have no reason to bow to BASSA. The strike will run its course throughout the next 20 days and then what? BASSA will have left its members sitting ducks with no solution in sight.
'Don't fight the battle if you can't win it'
What is their plan really? If I were a BASSA member/supporter of the strike, I'd be asking some serious questions about where this is all leading to?With even more supporters than ever this time round, it looks like BA will be able to operate the majority of its schedule, therefore, the strike will have even less impact. WW will have no reason to bow to BASSA. The strike will run its course throughout the next 20 days and then what? BASSA will have left its members sitting ducks with no solution in sight.
'Don't fight the battle if you can't win it'
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more cost to BA -(from www.ba.com)
Flights to and from London Heathrow between 18 May and 9 June 2010 have been temporarily closed for sale. We plan to re-open them when we have confirmed our schedule.
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If I were a BASSA member/supporter of the strike, I'd be asking some serious questions about where this is all leading to?
As I see it there are two options here that the strike supporters need to be aware of ( and by supporters I mean those that actually walk, not those who bravely voted yes and/or manned a picket line on their days off).
1. BASSA "wins" - Bravo, fine short term for you as individuals, but not good for anyone in BA long term. Should you care as long as you win? You tell me.
2. CEO "wins" - BA gets through the strike using volunteers. Alledgedly CEO has options after June 12th to change contracts/lay folks off/replace strikers. Has this option been discussed with the line members by the BASSA reps, either electronically, by mail or in person? Do you have an option for failure that allows you to keep your jobs on anything like your current T&Cs?
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You can now see the true link between Unite/BASSA/Labour - all clinging on for dear life, don't appear to care who they take down with them and treat the public with scant disregard in their own power games - imho of course.........
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the 12 week industrial strike rule
this is taken from a very senior BA person:-
"It's 12 weeks from the first strike date, but Unite have announced they intend to conduct a fresh strike ballot on the issues of staff travel and disciplinary process. The protection lost is the automatic assesment of any dismissal as a result of taking industrial action as unfair dismissal."
Hope that helps ...
"It's 12 weeks from the first strike date, but Unite have announced they intend to conduct a fresh strike ballot on the issues of staff travel and disciplinary process. The protection lost is the automatic assesment of any dismissal as a result of taking industrial action as unfair dismissal."
Hope that helps ...