British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Is the bigger picture getting clearer to all?
BA want ALL staff to eventually accept this new redeployment clause. For us CC we can see our present fleet being slowly garrotted which will then give BA the reasoning for giving those left on this fleet the choices of transferring to NF with all Terms & Conditions and in the process giving up our final salary pension scheme, or going into the 52 week find a job scheme with diminishing salary as you search.
Under the 1948 agreement (or how I understand it) BA cannot do this, THEY have to redeploy you but still keeping salary, pension, etc.
Although technically the strike is still about imposition, expecting CC to accept this new redployment clause is now turning into the bigger issue.
BA want ALL staff to eventually accept this new redeployment clause. For us CC we can see our present fleet being slowly garrotted which will then give BA the reasoning for giving those left on this fleet the choices of transferring to NF with all Terms & Conditions and in the process giving up our final salary pension scheme, or going into the 52 week find a job scheme with diminishing salary as you search.
Under the 1948 agreement (or how I understand it) BA cannot do this, THEY have to redeploy you but still keeping salary, pension, etc.
Although technically the strike is still about imposition, expecting CC to accept this new redployment clause is now turning into the bigger issue.
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ONCE AGAIN, how would it be, in any way, in the company's interests, to have the likes of me, a 28 year seniority CSD, sat at home ON FULL (SUBSTANTIAL) BASIC PAY AND FULL PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS not doing anything?
Err, thats exactly what has been happening to Eurofleet CSDs for the last eighteen months.
Ottergirl, come on, you know as well as I do (or I assume you do if you have a real understanding of the current situation) that the fact that CSDs have had less work for the past few months, is simply down to the fact that the company is waiting for settlement of this dispute so that it can release more CSDs and PSRs onto part time contracts. At the moment, with the reduced flying programme there are a surplus of Eurofleet CSDs. It's not to BA's advantage that this continues indefinately. And actually I haven't had loads of non ops, I've had quite enough work to tide me over, once I've filled some of the availables.
On your second point, regarding not being able to do a part time job with a roster full of availables. I can actually, as I have trade skills, so I could work at short notice, or work on rostered days off. I'm not anticipating having to do that, for all the reasons I've stated previously, but if you believe BASSA's scare stories so much, wouldn't it be worth your while starting to train for something that you can do to tide you over?
Believe me, there's lots of people that would envy you being on 100% full time basic and pensions contributions, but having plenty of spare time to do something else.
ONCE AGAIN, how would it be, in any way, in the company's interests, to have the likes of me, a 28 year seniority CSD, sat at home ON FULL (SUBSTANTIAL) BASIC PAY AND FULL PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS not doing anything?
Err, thats exactly what has been happening to Eurofleet CSDs for the last eighteen months.
Ottergirl, come on, you know as well as I do (or I assume you do if you have a real understanding of the current situation) that the fact that CSDs have had less work for the past few months, is simply down to the fact that the company is waiting for settlement of this dispute so that it can release more CSDs and PSRs onto part time contracts. At the moment, with the reduced flying programme there are a surplus of Eurofleet CSDs. It's not to BA's advantage that this continues indefinately. And actually I haven't had loads of non ops, I've had quite enough work to tide me over, once I've filled some of the availables.
On your second point, regarding not being able to do a part time job with a roster full of availables. I can actually, as I have trade skills, so I could work at short notice, or work on rostered days off. I'm not anticipating having to do that, for all the reasons I've stated previously, but if you believe BASSA's scare stories so much, wouldn't it be worth your while starting to train for something that you can do to tide you over?
Believe me, there's lots of people that would envy you being on 100% full time basic and pensions contributions, but having plenty of spare time to do something else.
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Would it REALLY be too much to expect you all to discuss the revolting BASSA-BALPA forum antics on those forums and not here? 
Badmouthing the people with whom you work closely day by day to jointly guarantee a safe and on time flight is shortsighted, stupid, counterproductive and puerile.
It says a LOT about the people engaging in such stupidity.
Equally valid for cockpit and cabin crew, and the old "he started / she started" excuse really is beyond lame.
We have worked tirelessly to keep such utter garbage off this forum, and weŽll not have it introduced indirectly!
I trust I am making myself abundantly clear.
Ignore the above at your peril.
Badmouthing the people with whom you work closely day by day to jointly guarantee a safe and on time flight is shortsighted, stupid, counterproductive and puerile.
It says a LOT about the people engaging in such stupidity.
Equally valid for cockpit and cabin crew, and the old "he started / she started" excuse really is beyond lame.
We have worked tirelessly to keep such utter garbage off this forum, and weŽll not have it introduced indirectly!
I trust I am making myself abundantly clear.
Ignore the above at your peril.
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Don't be silly!
If it had ended yesterday, UNITE would have had to announce the result before the General Election result was known! Not of course that UNITE have any vested interest in the Labour Party
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A cynic may suggest that the GE had some influence on UNITE/BAASSA ending their 'consultation' at 23:59 on 6th May
Don't be silly!
If it had ended yesterday, UNITE would have had to announce the result before the General Election result was known! Not of course that UNITE have any vested interest in the Labour Party
.A cynic may suggest that the GE had some influence on UNITE/BAASSA ending their 'consultation' at 23:59 on 6th May
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Final salary pension
Juan Odeboyse wrote:
I would like to see your authoritative source for "giving up our final salary pension scheme".
For us CC we can see our present fleet being slowly garrotted which will then give BA the reasoning for giving those left on this fleet the choices of transferring to NF with all Terms & Conditions and in the process giving up our final salary pension scheme
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Are those BACKING BA ultimately BACKING THEIR OWN PENSIONS albeit inadvertently perhaps?"
... it is alleged he took time off work before Christmas to pursue Union duties.
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Holley to continue running BASSA?
Watch the machinations as the BASSA hardliners find a way to keep him in
place running BASSA. Will UNITE offer him a paid position or will they be
glad to see the back of him? Watch this space.
place running BASSA. Will UNITE offer him a paid position or will they be
glad to see the back of him? Watch this space.
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There's a precedent for it. Two of the reps involved in the Gate Gourmet unofficial strike in 2005 were dismissed but given jobs at the Unite offices.
Gross misconduct seems to be the default starting point for disciplinaries these days and then it's negotiated downward to lesser charges.
Gross misconduct seems to be the default starting point for disciplinaries these days and then it's negotiated downward to lesser charges.
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Who runs BA, the management or the union?
I'm all for representation, but demanding the reinstatement of someone dismissed following a formal process, as a condition of ending the strike, does seem otherworldly to this simple soul.
I'm all for representation, but demanding the reinstatement of someone dismissed following a formal process, as a condition of ending the strike, does seem otherworldly to this simple soul.
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I may not have been 100% behind the latest bout of industrial unrest, but I'm nevertheless extremely disappointed to hear about Duncan Holley. And I'm pleased that, on here atleast, people have remained dignified considering the unenviable position this gentleman now finds himself in.
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It appears to be highly likely that this online ballot will lead to more IA. So what happens next? I'm sorry if that sounds like a stupid question but BA and BASSA appear to be at a stalemate with neither side seemingly willing or able to back down without losing all credibility and setting a precedent for the future. So what if we get to the 12th June with no resolution? Can BASSA legally call another Ballot on some other grounds? Or are BA likely to invoke SOSR before that happens?
I'll be honest, as a non striking crew member stuck in the middle of all this, it's starting to seem like it's never going to end!
I'll be honest, as a non striking crew member stuck in the middle of all this, it's starting to seem like it's never going to end!