British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Problem is now that UNITE/BASSA claim 2000-3000 crew went on strike, that leaves circa 10,000-11,000 who didn't. Are these people likely to support further industrial unrest?
Both UNITE and BASSA have not delivered their promise to crew who have lost their staff travel as a result of going on strike. Even their legal team are not even sure which court to put the action in, with any legal action taking 18 months to 2 years to settle, its going to be a long time and costly. Is that a battle UNITE want to fund?
Added to that some crew have now been without pay and/or allowances for a very long time (snow in December again in January, strikes, and the ash cloud), will they be able to continue to strike?
UNITE officials are deserting the cause as quickly as they can be reassigned to other areas.
Some are viewing it that cabin crew are being hung out to dry.
Both UNITE and BASSA have not delivered their promise to crew who have lost their staff travel as a result of going on strike. Even their legal team are not even sure which court to put the action in, with any legal action taking 18 months to 2 years to settle, its going to be a long time and costly. Is that a battle UNITE want to fund?
Added to that some crew have now been without pay and/or allowances for a very long time (snow in December again in January, strikes, and the ash cloud), will they be able to continue to strike?
UNITE officials are deserting the cause as quickly as they can be reassigned to other areas.
Some are viewing it that cabin crew are being hung out to dry.
Do YOU know of any crew that 'have been without pay or allowances for a very long time'?
Which UNITE officials are 'deserting the cause'?
Who are viewing this (about 1 hr since statement) that ' the CC are being hung out to dry'?
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Ballot
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I believe it is going to be an online consultative ballot lasting five days.
When UNITE say they are going to ballot their members, is this a proper postal ballot or an online one?
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There are reports that Steve Turner has been replaced as National Officer for aviation, and that Len Mcluskey may be moving sideways. As yet, they are unofficial, but from a reliable source.
There are reports that Steve Turner has been replaced as National Officer for aviation, and that Len Mcluskey may be moving sideways. As yet, they are unofficial, but from a reliable source.
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an online vote ...
are crew really going to vote for the proposal (and settle the dispute) on an online vote ?
We all know computers monitor our every move and BASSA/Unite will be able to easily identify how everyone votes .... it looks like an easy way to rig a result to me
LTF
We all know computers monitor our every move and BASSA/Unite will be able to easily identify how everyone votes .... it looks like an easy way to rig a result to me
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Rise in world trade
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Premium traffic is recovering on the back of lower yields. Currently, these remain poor and need to recover by 30% to get back to 2008 levels.
The premium markets showing the strongest growth include within South America, within Far East and Europe-Far East. However, BA is poorly placed to take advantage as its costs remain higher than the competition. And on the North Atlantic where BA has made its money for a long time, not only is the growth tiny but the likes of CO, DL and US are running LHR flights in direct competition with BA.
A robust rise in world trade seems to be driving the upturn in premium passengers, which is largely business travel. It now looks as though the recession in premium travel has been cyclical rather than a permanent fall. Economy travel is also likely to be benefiting from the return of business travel.
The premium markets showing the strongest growth include within South America, within Far East and Europe-Far East. However, BA is poorly placed to take advantage as its costs remain higher than the competition. And on the North Atlantic where BA has made its money for a long time, not only is the growth tiny but the likes of CO, DL and US are running LHR flights in direct competition with BA.
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Meanwhile, the training of more volunteer cabin crew continues. I've been asked to crew another famil flight for ground staff next week. There's still 40 more crew rolling off the production line each week and countless temps coming through Cranebank too. When is BASSA going to realise this battle is lost and it's time to move on?
Despite Woodley's rhetoric, I wonder whether he's secretly hoping the offer will be accepted, thereby demonstrating to BASSA that their reps are clearly out of touch and should step aside (just as Mr Simpson already thinks)??
Despite Woodley's rhetoric, I wonder whether he's secretly hoping the offer will be accepted, thereby demonstrating to BASSA that their reps are clearly out of touch and should step aside (just as Mr Simpson already thinks)??
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Staff travel update from Unite
Unite has issued this statement today in Microsoft Word (why?). As most people would struggle to read it, I've copied it here.
No Staff Travel? Europe may come to you!
As you may be aware, BA tried everything they could legally to prevent our strike and mitigate its effects. One of the most significant of these measures was to carry out their threat to remove staff travel from strikers.
Can BA legally do this? Many of you have asked questions about the legal position.
Firstly, there are some basic fundamentals with procedure with which BA have not complied.
Secondly, there are issues around the potentially contractual nature of staff travel itself.
And thirdly, some interesting points arise in relation to European law.
Under UK law the starting point is that an employee generally has no rights against an employer who has treated him less well than others because he took part in industrial action. The position is different though if the detrimental treatment by the employer is sufficiently serious to amount to a fundamental breach of an important contractual term (such as the implied term of "trust and confidence"). In some circumstances, this particular breach is so serious that the employee would be entitled to resign and claim constructive dismissal. In that situation British law gives the employee very clear rights, but no doubt BA will be boldly taking that risk and seeking to ensure that any removal of what it calls “non contractual benefits” falls short of that hurdle.
However that is not the end of the story. Recent judgments of the European Court of Human Rights may lead to changes in UK law. As noted above, detrimental action against strikers must be of a fundamentally serious nature if it is going to provide strikers with legally enforceable rights. The European Court of Human Rights has recently suggested that this is too tough a test. In a series of cases involving Turkey and Russia it has recently indicated that it thinks the law should move on and has ruled that if an employee is treated less well than others because he or she has taken, or intends to take, part in a strike or other industrial action he or she will have a legal right to sue their employer under the Convention.
British courts must interpret UK law in a way which will give effect to the Convention and if that is impossible can issue a "declaration of incompatibility" which is likely to lead to Parliament making appropriate changes to UK law. In some circumstances it is even possible for direct applications to be made to the European Court of Human Rights.
On the face of it, this could pose a problem for BA. Currently, the UK Human Rights Act 1998 allows direct application of the Convention only in respect of the activities of public authorities and persons carrying out functions of a public nature, and it does not give private citizens or companies directly enforceable rights against each other. So while the judgments of the Court of Human Rights noted above may lead to future changes in UK law which might then strictly prevent BA taking the sort of action they are taking against strikers, BA may feel that they are currently immune from legal action with their "benefit removing" plans. However, what they need to bear in mind is that the UK Courts and tribunals have a higher calling – and often shown that they are prepared to go to great lengths, even inserting words into Acts of Parliament, to ensure that they fulfill their duty to interpret UK law in a way which will give effect to the Convention. Beware BA.
So, assuming Unite explore every avenue open to us, BA may find they are on treading on thin ice if they go ahead with permanently removing, or in any way reducing the provision of benefits for strikers.
We shall keep you informed of our progress with this matter.
As you may be aware, BA tried everything they could legally to prevent our strike and mitigate its effects. One of the most significant of these measures was to carry out their threat to remove staff travel from strikers.
Can BA legally do this? Many of you have asked questions about the legal position.
Firstly, there are some basic fundamentals with procedure with which BA have not complied.
Secondly, there are issues around the potentially contractual nature of staff travel itself.
And thirdly, some interesting points arise in relation to European law.
Under UK law the starting point is that an employee generally has no rights against an employer who has treated him less well than others because he took part in industrial action. The position is different though if the detrimental treatment by the employer is sufficiently serious to amount to a fundamental breach of an important contractual term (such as the implied term of "trust and confidence"). In some circumstances, this particular breach is so serious that the employee would be entitled to resign and claim constructive dismissal. In that situation British law gives the employee very clear rights, but no doubt BA will be boldly taking that risk and seeking to ensure that any removal of what it calls “non contractual benefits” falls short of that hurdle.
However that is not the end of the story. Recent judgments of the European Court of Human Rights may lead to changes in UK law. As noted above, detrimental action against strikers must be of a fundamentally serious nature if it is going to provide strikers with legally enforceable rights. The European Court of Human Rights has recently suggested that this is too tough a test. In a series of cases involving Turkey and Russia it has recently indicated that it thinks the law should move on and has ruled that if an employee is treated less well than others because he or she has taken, or intends to take, part in a strike or other industrial action he or she will have a legal right to sue their employer under the Convention.
British courts must interpret UK law in a way which will give effect to the Convention and if that is impossible can issue a "declaration of incompatibility" which is likely to lead to Parliament making appropriate changes to UK law. In some circumstances it is even possible for direct applications to be made to the European Court of Human Rights.
On the face of it, this could pose a problem for BA. Currently, the UK Human Rights Act 1998 allows direct application of the Convention only in respect of the activities of public authorities and persons carrying out functions of a public nature, and it does not give private citizens or companies directly enforceable rights against each other. So while the judgments of the Court of Human Rights noted above may lead to future changes in UK law which might then strictly prevent BA taking the sort of action they are taking against strikers, BA may feel that they are currently immune from legal action with their "benefit removing" plans. However, what they need to bear in mind is that the UK Courts and tribunals have a higher calling – and often shown that they are prepared to go to great lengths, even inserting words into Acts of Parliament, to ensure that they fulfill their duty to interpret UK law in a way which will give effect to the Convention. Beware BA.
So, assuming Unite explore every avenue open to us, BA may find they are on treading on thin ice if they go ahead with permanently removing, or in any way reducing the provision of benefits for strikers.
We shall keep you informed of our progress with this matter.
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That's yesterdays statement (general sentiment: "You ain't getting you're staff travel back unless they change the law")
Todays statement is here:
Todays statement is here:
Time to wake up and smell the future...
During the 7 days of our industrial action, those that grasped the enormity of what we all face took action and came to Bedfont; those that didn’t went to work.
By "backing BA" it has allowed a change so big to come about right under people’s noses, that many people could not - or will not - simply believe it.
The nature of that change?
The culmination of a three-year plan, as reported in the Guardian to crush the union that protects you -that aim has now been all but achieved.
On Thursday of this week Duncan Holley, the secretary of our branch, is going to be dismissed over an on going disagreement with British Airways, over derostering for undertaking union duties on your behalf.
Today the few reps that attended a briefing from Tony Woodley heard an update on any progress he had made and to finalize arrangements on how your opinion could be sought via an electronic ballot. British Airways chose to not deroster any reps to attend and indeed insisted that any who were able to attend would have their basic salary deducted.
These are hardly the actions of a company seeking to achieve negotiated peace, instead they are designed to be as provocative and confrontational as possible.
They could not send a clearer signal of their intent, if they tried. At the same time they also have revealed that Branch Chair Lizanne Malone will also be the subject of a disciplinary along with Amicus Convenor Blair Veakins.
Without being rude if this does not tell you anything, then we may as well give up...and that means ALL of us.
We are now getting to the point where it is difficult to believe that we can ever find a solution to the current situation. Things now are so bad that they will simply never be the same again.
No matter how hard we try to negotiate to improve the situation, things just seem to go from bad to worse.
As you already know, we have been supporting Tony Woodley as he has tried to find a fair and reasonable solution and to bring a welcome peace within British Airways. To be fair, he has worked incredibly hard to try and make that happen. His intentions were honourable, and he did his best to obtain a proposal for you to consider. Later this week you will be asked your opinion via an on-line ballot.
Against this approach it would appear that determined elements within British Airways’ management, far from wishing to "meet us half way" and achieve any kind of resolution, simply appear determined to be as deliberately antagonistic as possible.
Crew members continue to be dismissed and others suspended as we try to find a solution to the outstanding fifty plus dispute related disciplinaries. The very reps that are working with Tony Woodley on the solution have been refused release to work on it. "Do it in your own time or don’t attend, your choice" was the BA flat response.
Until last week, we have not been approached or asked for an alleviation of any kind since summer 2009; we were simply not asked, they simply believed it is their right to break any rule they wished, when and wherever they wanted to. All agreements are now meaningless. As a result of the volcanic ash the disruption agreement was requested and happily and promptly given to assist in repatriating crew and passengers. Then, out of the blue an "alleviation" was requested to operate a Hong Kong service with reduced rest but with a threat "if you don’t give the alleviation, we will use strike breakers". The "threat" was unnecessary as a positive response was again given within the time scale.
A request to reduce rest on an ad-hoc basis for other "mercy" flights for the next two weeks was also asked for and in the circumstances would have been given.
Their recognition of this cooperation? To assemble a crew of "strike breakers" from retired crew and ground staff and operate the flight - 12 crew, 13 hours rest, £2.40 an hour.
Friday’s Delhi? Same again! A positioning "strike breaking volunteer crew" who would operate the return inbound flight, with just eight crew- they consisted of four ground staff, two temps. Two "normal crew" were called off QRS. These "real" crew were booked into economy, the volunteer/strike breakers? Club of course.
Over the entire weekend "strike breaking ground staff volunteers" were rostered in pairs to a wide number of flights, to fly with "real" crew.
Many of the Euro fleet crew who returned to base after being away up to twelve days, were then expected to report for duty the next day. BA were of the opinion that the crew had achieved the appropriate days off whilst marooned down route.
Quite simply this is how Bill Francis has been instructed to do business. If we are not all prepared to stand up for ourselves then we best all get used to it and quickly.
Temp crew and volunteers continue to fly along side regular crew, on a different agreement and on an hourly rate and different days off, while our own crew sit at home unused and on 24 hour availability.
If people don’t wake up and see what’s happening right under their noses and how the wording of this agreement is so important to them, then they never will. Bill Francis is building on his vision of the future and whether we like it or not, we are all going to be a part of it, one way or the other.
Your union has been effectively shut down now for months and if things do not change, will remain so. We no longer have any meetings with British airways on any subject. We no longer have a say or a voice. Our offices has been sealed closed and shut down and lets be honest here, so has your union.
Backing BA?
That’s exactly what some people have done; backed BA in their ambition to destroy their union and with it, any hope of their own future job security - if they do not wake up pretty soon, it will be too late.
During the last strike days, we even had the ludicrous scenario of people who had chosen to break the strike, ringing our emergency phones asking us to complain to BA that they, BA were breaking their agreement!
Is this really how out of touch some of our community have become?
Worried about new fleet? You should be - it’s growing right under your nose. So believe us when we say that if you don’t support your union now by remaining united, by standing firm to secure a meaningful deal the future looks very bleak. If an agreement cannot be reached then regrettably more strike dates will have to be announced. If we fail then the job as you know it is over.
At the end of the day, we represent you. If you’re not that bothered, fine, we will stop beating ourselves up trying to protect you from something that worryingly doesn’t seem to concern some of our community.
Please stop leaving it to those with the strength and courage to support themselves, their union and their colleagues. Thousands of you, our members, selflessly sacrificed their trips and their earnings - some people lost up to two weeks of basic pay and their staff travel for the good of others, not just themselves - and for that Unite is immensely proud and grateful for their sacrifice.
If a deal had been achieved, it would have been bought about by their bravery. If we don’t get a solution, then quite simply it will be because too many people "looked after themselves" and broke the strike and so encouraged your management to believe that this is "the way forward" and is acceptable to the crew community.
If you are not one of the brave crew who supported us at Bedfont, and by taking action then what did you do? Do you feel proud of yourself?
Bottom line?
Please Do your bit before it’s too late, or simply sit back and enjoy the ride, but remember this, it’s going to be a wild one. Our conscience is clear...is yours? We have screamed from the roof tops for a year, exactly what will happen to cabin crew in the future.
If this warning continues to fall on deaf ears, you won’t have to wait too long to see it become reality...just glance at your next crew list.
During the 7 days of our industrial action, those that grasped the enormity of what we all face took action and came to Bedfont; those that didn’t went to work.
By "backing BA" it has allowed a change so big to come about right under people’s noses, that many people could not - or will not - simply believe it.
The nature of that change?
The culmination of a three-year plan, as reported in the Guardian to crush the union that protects you -that aim has now been all but achieved.
On Thursday of this week Duncan Holley, the secretary of our branch, is going to be dismissed over an on going disagreement with British Airways, over derostering for undertaking union duties on your behalf.
Today the few reps that attended a briefing from Tony Woodley heard an update on any progress he had made and to finalize arrangements on how your opinion could be sought via an electronic ballot. British Airways chose to not deroster any reps to attend and indeed insisted that any who were able to attend would have their basic salary deducted.
These are hardly the actions of a company seeking to achieve negotiated peace, instead they are designed to be as provocative and confrontational as possible.
They could not send a clearer signal of their intent, if they tried. At the same time they also have revealed that Branch Chair Lizanne Malone will also be the subject of a disciplinary along with Amicus Convenor Blair Veakins.
Without being rude if this does not tell you anything, then we may as well give up...and that means ALL of us.
We are now getting to the point where it is difficult to believe that we can ever find a solution to the current situation. Things now are so bad that they will simply never be the same again.
No matter how hard we try to negotiate to improve the situation, things just seem to go from bad to worse.
As you already know, we have been supporting Tony Woodley as he has tried to find a fair and reasonable solution and to bring a welcome peace within British Airways. To be fair, he has worked incredibly hard to try and make that happen. His intentions were honourable, and he did his best to obtain a proposal for you to consider. Later this week you will be asked your opinion via an on-line ballot.
Against this approach it would appear that determined elements within British Airways’ management, far from wishing to "meet us half way" and achieve any kind of resolution, simply appear determined to be as deliberately antagonistic as possible.
Crew members continue to be dismissed and others suspended as we try to find a solution to the outstanding fifty plus dispute related disciplinaries. The very reps that are working with Tony Woodley on the solution have been refused release to work on it. "Do it in your own time or don’t attend, your choice" was the BA flat response.
Until last week, we have not been approached or asked for an alleviation of any kind since summer 2009; we were simply not asked, they simply believed it is their right to break any rule they wished, when and wherever they wanted to. All agreements are now meaningless. As a result of the volcanic ash the disruption agreement was requested and happily and promptly given to assist in repatriating crew and passengers. Then, out of the blue an "alleviation" was requested to operate a Hong Kong service with reduced rest but with a threat "if you don’t give the alleviation, we will use strike breakers". The "threat" was unnecessary as a positive response was again given within the time scale.
A request to reduce rest on an ad-hoc basis for other "mercy" flights for the next two weeks was also asked for and in the circumstances would have been given.
Their recognition of this cooperation? To assemble a crew of "strike breakers" from retired crew and ground staff and operate the flight - 12 crew, 13 hours rest, £2.40 an hour.
Friday’s Delhi? Same again! A positioning "strike breaking volunteer crew" who would operate the return inbound flight, with just eight crew- they consisted of four ground staff, two temps. Two "normal crew" were called off QRS. These "real" crew were booked into economy, the volunteer/strike breakers? Club of course.
Over the entire weekend "strike breaking ground staff volunteers" were rostered in pairs to a wide number of flights, to fly with "real" crew.
Many of the Euro fleet crew who returned to base after being away up to twelve days, were then expected to report for duty the next day. BA were of the opinion that the crew had achieved the appropriate days off whilst marooned down route.
Quite simply this is how Bill Francis has been instructed to do business. If we are not all prepared to stand up for ourselves then we best all get used to it and quickly.
Temp crew and volunteers continue to fly along side regular crew, on a different agreement and on an hourly rate and different days off, while our own crew sit at home unused and on 24 hour availability.
If people don’t wake up and see what’s happening right under their noses and how the wording of this agreement is so important to them, then they never will. Bill Francis is building on his vision of the future and whether we like it or not, we are all going to be a part of it, one way or the other.
Your union has been effectively shut down now for months and if things do not change, will remain so. We no longer have any meetings with British airways on any subject. We no longer have a say or a voice. Our offices has been sealed closed and shut down and lets be honest here, so has your union.
Backing BA?
That’s exactly what some people have done; backed BA in their ambition to destroy their union and with it, any hope of their own future job security - if they do not wake up pretty soon, it will be too late.
During the last strike days, we even had the ludicrous scenario of people who had chosen to break the strike, ringing our emergency phones asking us to complain to BA that they, BA were breaking their agreement!
Is this really how out of touch some of our community have become?
Worried about new fleet? You should be - it’s growing right under your nose. So believe us when we say that if you don’t support your union now by remaining united, by standing firm to secure a meaningful deal the future looks very bleak. If an agreement cannot be reached then regrettably more strike dates will have to be announced. If we fail then the job as you know it is over.
At the end of the day, we represent you. If you’re not that bothered, fine, we will stop beating ourselves up trying to protect you from something that worryingly doesn’t seem to concern some of our community.
Please stop leaving it to those with the strength and courage to support themselves, their union and their colleagues. Thousands of you, our members, selflessly sacrificed their trips and their earnings - some people lost up to two weeks of basic pay and their staff travel for the good of others, not just themselves - and for that Unite is immensely proud and grateful for their sacrifice.
If a deal had been achieved, it would have been bought about by their bravery. If we don’t get a solution, then quite simply it will be because too many people "looked after themselves" and broke the strike and so encouraged your management to believe that this is "the way forward" and is acceptable to the crew community.
If you are not one of the brave crew who supported us at Bedfont, and by taking action then what did you do? Do you feel proud of yourself?
Bottom line?
Please Do your bit before it’s too late, or simply sit back and enjoy the ride, but remember this, it’s going to be a wild one. Our conscience is clear...is yours? We have screamed from the roof tops for a year, exactly what will happen to cabin crew in the future.
If this warning continues to fall on deaf ears, you won’t have to wait too long to see it become reality...just glance at your next crew list.
Ut Sementem Feeceris
Yes but that's talking about what might happen. The removal of ST has already happened so any law change couldn't be applied retrospectively. Plus a perk is a perk - not a contractual benefit. If someone said "don't put your hand in the waste disposal coz it'll hurt" and you do...... Don't be surprised when it hurts!!!
Staff were told they'd lose ST....... why the surprise?
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Staff were told they'd lose ST....... why the surprise?
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Why the surprise ?
The surprise is because Bassa/Unite assumed that BA would back down again like it has under every other CEO, but surely they must realise that Willie now has the support of the city and all the weight that that amounts to and has a clear instruction to sort this out once and for all.
Bassa/Unite have long ago ceased to properly represent their members( if they have any left) and surely this is now a face saving exercise which will leave intelligent cabin crew begging belief at how they have been suckered by those elected to defend them.
I think and hope that any more picket lines will be a very lonely place to be.
Bassa/Unite have long ago ceased to properly represent their members( if they have any left) and surely this is now a face saving exercise which will leave intelligent cabin crew begging belief at how they have been suckered by those elected to defend them.
I think and hope that any more picket lines will be a very lonely place to be.
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"Bassa don't lie"
Mr Solo, you are having a laugh I think?
Bassa have led their membership to this unfortunate situation through a wall of lies.
An open ended strike would bring out those that have to strike along with their "yes" vote against those that happened to have those 2 weekends off in ther nominated strike periods+the minority that actually struck?
Then Bassa will see its real "yes" voters. I think it would be the end of Bassa.
I don't think BA would mind that?
It seems a strategy? Just how I read it.
Bassa have led their membership to this unfortunate situation through a wall of lies.
An open ended strike would bring out those that have to strike along with their "yes" vote against those that happened to have those 2 weekends off in ther nominated strike periods+the minority that actually struck?
Then Bassa will see its real "yes" voters. I think it would be the end of Bassa.
I don't think BA would mind that?
It seems a strategy? Just how I read it.
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Yes I was having a laugh Luke. BASSA members have taken to marching into Unites lawyers office demanding meetings and insisting on action, or asking for an opt out to ensure their union fees don't go to the firm. It's a pity they can't see that the reason they're not getting the answers they want to hear is that the law supports BA and not Unite. Like most things with BASSA, they'll carry on assuming they are right and the whole world around them is wrong.
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I agree. And I could see your point from the outset.
I think this CC IA issue is like the General Election. We know it's not going to be fun after, but it needs to be done and we need to move on.
I have a feeling that WW would like to just stick to his guns and make the real strikers (yes voters I meant....) show themselves.
..and whever they do (minority, because imho most yes voters will not strike), or do not (probably), I think it will be the end of Bassa..
My guess is that that is the move being made by WW
I agree. And I could see your point from the outset.
I think this CC IA issue is like the General Election. We know it's not going to be fun after, but it needs to be done and we need to move on.
I have a feeling that WW would like to just stick to his guns and make the real strikers (yes voters I meant....) show themselves.
..and whever they do (minority, because imho most yes voters will not strike), or do not (probably), I think it will be the end of Bassa..
My guess is that that is the move being made by WW
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So,back to square one!.No real suprises,given the length and depth of ill feeling between the Cabin Crew and the wee CEO.(and vice a versa).Add to the brew,FC tripping over themselves to bring the CC down,the wee man inflaming the situation further by touting for more VCC.Whatever the rights and wrongs....just imagine youre a prospective BA customer...who would you choose to fly with!!. 
Time for Damage Limitation.
Time for Damage Limitation.
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pilot volunteers and staff travel
No pilots seem to be posting to say that it can't be true because they are voluneers but do not hold this opinion.
But, of course, I am not BA's CEO and it is his decision to make. I am VCC because I think it's a good and professional thing to help our customers and I think BASSA are being silly. I will continue to operate as VCC, if asked, whether or not strikers get back their ST.
What I really want to know though is: are non strikers going to vote for this deal? What is in it for them?
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are crew really going to vote for the proposal (and settle the dispute) on an online vote ?
We all know computers monitor our every move and BASSA/Unite will be able to easily identify how everyone votes .... it looks like an easy way to rig a result to me
LTF
We all know computers monitor our every move and BASSA/Unite will be able to easily identify how everyone votes .... it looks like an easy way to rig a result to me
LTF
I think that an online ballot would be taken as valid by all parties in this situation.
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I think people will chose BA when "this " is settled because it is a good brand. Big/T5/support network/booking....and a majority of good CC. Didn't Bassa state that people have short memories and the 12 days of Christnmas may have upset a lot of people but they would forget it all within a year???? 
Having personally gone on holiday a number of times in recent history with other airlines because of BA cc strike threats, I would most certainly rather have backed my own airline and put my money there.
BUT "we are BA" (many a cc quote) is certainly not part of that decision-making process.
As for the "ill-maintained" fleet, well, you can ask Unite what the BA engineers are doing about their memberships...and their Branch contributions
This will end as sure as the general election, but I think Bassa should be trying to "moderate" a little now as other factions of Unite and the general public have no time for their militancy imho..
Having personally gone on holiday a number of times in recent history with other airlines because of BA cc strike threats, I would most certainly rather have backed my own airline and put my money there.
BUT "we are BA" (many a cc quote) is certainly not part of that decision-making process.
As for the "ill-maintained" fleet, well, you can ask Unite what the BA engineers are doing about their memberships...and their Branch contributions
This will end as sure as the general election, but I think Bassa should be trying to "moderate" a little now as other factions of Unite and the general public have no time for their militancy imho..