British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Bassa Honesty
Please add to these
After first ballot bassa parade a scheduler allegedly sacked for giving bassa reps premium trips ie stealing from crew
Bassa suggest PwC are not telling the truth regarding bassa savings
Bassa claimed they negociated
Bassa misrepresented other groups savings giving impresssion that crew were being singled out
Bassa never mentioned the share deal open to crew
The pccc website fiasco
The Balpa recruitment lie
And now the £500 vol course lie
After first ballot bassa parade a scheduler allegedly sacked for giving bassa reps premium trips ie stealing from crew
Bassa suggest PwC are not telling the truth regarding bassa savings
Bassa claimed they negociated
Bassa misrepresented other groups savings giving impresssion that crew were being singled out
Bassa never mentioned the share deal open to crew
The pccc website fiasco
The Balpa recruitment lie
And now the £500 vol course lie
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BTW to be absolutely correct some pilots MAY have triggered some overtime by doing the course on their days off. If they fly a full months work(ish) AND do a 3 day course they will probably get some overtime payable. For others they won't get a thing extra particularly if they drop a trip to do the course.
Certainly there is no bonus payable to every pilot who does the course.
Certainly there is no bonus payable to every pilot who does the course.
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Also remember that some pilots actually lost money by doing the course. If they dropped a trip they would lose the Flying hour rate and allowances.
Just checked and the 3 days cost me over £300! never mind the petrol & canteen costs....
Just checked and the 3 days cost me over £300! never mind the petrol & canteen costs....
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Fom the Telegraph here
Funny man Martin gags on his food
A standing ovation for British Airways' chairman and former president of the CBI Martin Broughton. The man has just picked up the first Speechwriters' Guild business communicator of the year award.
"Martin Broughton's speeches were witty, direct and controversial, making headlines and entertaining audiences," the judges said.
"Were they?" came my slightly surprised response.
Quick as a flash they responded with this gem from one of Mr Broughton's CBI speeches.
"I have always taken the view that if you're not at the table you're likely to be on the menu."
OK, so it may not be entirely new, but then nor were the gags the Speechwriters' Guild used to laud Martin.
"He can craft a phrase, select a great quotation and crack a good joke…" the release said. "Which is extremely rare among top British executives and almost unheard of from a man trained as an accountant."
There's no compliment like a backhanded one.
Amazing what results 30 seconds of investigation can bring. Hint: Try googling Martin Broughton on the Telegraph website
Funny man Martin gags on his food
A standing ovation for British Airways' chairman and former president of the CBI Martin Broughton. The man has just picked up the first Speechwriters' Guild business communicator of the year award.
"Martin Broughton's speeches were witty, direct and controversial, making headlines and entertaining audiences," the judges said.
"Were they?" came my slightly surprised response.
Quick as a flash they responded with this gem from one of Mr Broughton's CBI speeches.
"I have always taken the view that if you're not at the table you're likely to be on the menu."
OK, so it may not be entirely new, but then nor were the gags the Speechwriters' Guild used to laud Martin.
"He can craft a phrase, select a great quotation and crack a good joke…" the release said. "Which is extremely rare among top British executives and almost unheard of from a man trained as an accountant."
There's no compliment like a backhanded one.
Amazing what results 30 seconds of investigation can bring. Hint: Try googling Martin Broughton on the Telegraph website
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sky link
hope this works as previously admonished over my lack of computer knowledge
British Airways Suspends 15 Cabin Crew Over Reports Of Intimidation Relating To Comments On Web | Business | Sky News
British Airways Suspends 15 Cabin Crew Over Reports Of Intimidation Relating To Comments On Web | Business | Sky News
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On A Unite Website
Is that true? On a Unite website?
Sky -
It appears British Airways came across a chatroom on a union's website and deemed the language in some of the comments to amount to "intimidation".
BBC -
Unite say there have no intimidating comments posted on its official website.
It says claims BA is referring to an unofficial forum.
Sky -
It appears British Airways came across a chatroom on a union's website and deemed the language in some of the comments to amount to "intimidation".
BBC -
Unite say there have no intimidating comments posted on its official website.
It says claims BA is referring to an unofficial forum.
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Irony
Just noticed on CrewForumFriends:
Cabin Crew Course
Intensive Cabin Cabin Course Becoming Cabin Crew In Just One Day
www.CabinCrewCourse.co.uk/
Slightly ironic don't you think that they're advertising this on there given the fact Crew are claiming you can't learn cabin crew skills on the intensive courses BA are running...
Cabin Crew Course
Intensive Cabin Cabin Course Becoming Cabin Crew In Just One Day
www.CabinCrewCourse.co.uk/
Slightly ironic don't you think that they're advertising this on there given the fact Crew are claiming you can't learn cabin crew skills on the intensive courses BA are running...
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Absolutely dreadful statements by Unite to the BBC and Sky News that do nothing for their credibility.
All they had to say was something along the lines of "We are aware of the allegations by British Airways. We do not condone bullying or intimidation of staff. We will assist the individuals involved in this investigation in accordance with the agreed disciplinary policy between British Airways and Unite etc etc."
Just like Unite did not distance themselves from the rumours about the High Court judge, this is another error of judgment by omission.
All they had to say was something along the lines of "We are aware of the allegations by British Airways. We do not condone bullying or intimidation of staff. We will assist the individuals involved in this investigation in accordance with the agreed disciplinary policy between British Airways and Unite etc etc."
Just like Unite did not distance themselves from the rumours about the High Court judge, this is another error of judgment by omission.
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I know what you're trying to say and you seem like a decent guy/girl so i'll go easy. I don't know what intimidation BA is claiming against these 15 employers but i'd wager that its far in excess of what BA is asking of their crew.
They're certainly flexing their muscle (most non-crew would say quite rightly) but to compare it to intimidation is barking up the wrong tree.
They're certainly flexing their muscle (most non-crew would say quite rightly) but to compare it to intimidation is barking up the wrong tree.
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Why?
So far there has been an allegation made. The alleged have been suspended pending an investigation.
What would you do, sack first?
How easy would it be, for anybody to post threats, by giving a false name?
So far there has been an allegation made. The alleged have been suspended pending an investigation.
What would you do, sack first?
How easy would it be, for anybody to post threats, by giving a false name?
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Depends which forum it is on. But i imagine on both BASSA and CF, it would be pretty easy and reliable to tie up a username to an actual member of BA crew given the details you need to provide to register.
If its a different one (even this one) then i'd guess it would be much more difficult, but by no means impossible.
If its a different one (even this one) then i'd guess it would be much more difficult, but by no means impossible.
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Absolutely true.
However, who has told the press that an internal process has been instigated? If due process has been followed and the accused been found guilty, then ok, make the statement.
However, who has told the press that an internal process has been instigated? If due process has been followed and the accused been found guilty, then ok, make the statement.
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Right, what am I missing here? If the judge grants an injunction to BASSA then that means BA have to restore crewing levels in the not too distant future.
By definition that means that the "imposition" is lifted and the strike would have to be called off would it not?
Even if the result is a 100% yes the strike has to be cancelled because the ballot was purely about the imposition of new crewing levels.
Sure months could pass without any fruitful negotiation and at some point BA will have to issue a 90 day change of contract (or they could do it the day after the judgement whichever they prefer) and BASSA will re ballot on whatever it disputes at that time
The fact remains that the current ballot is legally about the imposition and nothing else.
It would be a disaster for BA as breaking the strike is the only way to clear the air and move on, another ballot and possible strike over the summer just prolongs this epic.
My question is: if BASSA get the injunction can they still strike and if so, why would they?
To possibly answer my own question is it because they still intend to reduce crewing levels either by appeal or by change of contract? i.e. BASSA will still strike unless BA say "sorry, you win, no changes for you ever. Keep your crewing levels we promise never to bring it up again?
I can't see how you can legally strike when the thing you are striking over has been legally removed.
By definition that means that the "imposition" is lifted and the strike would have to be called off would it not?
Even if the result is a 100% yes the strike has to be cancelled because the ballot was purely about the imposition of new crewing levels.
Sure months could pass without any fruitful negotiation and at some point BA will have to issue a 90 day change of contract (or they could do it the day after the judgement whichever they prefer) and BASSA will re ballot on whatever it disputes at that time
The fact remains that the current ballot is legally about the imposition and nothing else.
It would be a disaster for BA as breaking the strike is the only way to clear the air and move on, another ballot and possible strike over the summer just prolongs this epic.
My question is: if BASSA get the injunction can they still strike and if so, why would they?
To possibly answer my own question is it because they still intend to reduce crewing levels either by appeal or by change of contract? i.e. BASSA will still strike unless BA say "sorry, you win, no changes for you ever. Keep your crewing levels we promise never to bring it up again?
I can't see how you can legally strike when the thing you are striking over has been legally removed.
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Litebulb:
It doesn't work that way. The fact that, to start with, 15 people are being investigated is newsworthy.
This statement:
"Len McCluskey, Unite's assistant general secretary, said BA over-reacted.
He said he feels the posts were expressions of "genuine frustration", not aimed at individuals and therefore not intimidatory."
tells each and every one of us there is something there. No denial, no "Oh my goodness, this didn't happen", more of a "You just don't understand" defense.
Watch for more actions to be brought, and for further public support. BASSA has gone become far too threatening, intimidating and scary for anyone to consider it reasonable except for their own tight circle. The rest of the world views comments coming out of its core as bizarre.
It doesn't work that way. The fact that, to start with, 15 people are being investigated is newsworthy.
This statement:
"Len McCluskey, Unite's assistant general secretary, said BA over-reacted.
He said he feels the posts were expressions of "genuine frustration", not aimed at individuals and therefore not intimidatory."
tells each and every one of us there is something there. No denial, no "Oh my goodness, this didn't happen", more of a "You just don't understand" defense.
Watch for more actions to be brought, and for further public support. BASSA has gone become far too threatening, intimidating and scary for anyone to consider it reasonable except for their own tight circle. The rest of the world views comments coming out of its core as bizarre.
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British Airways suspends cabin crew over Facebook comments
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FT.com / UK / Business - BA suspends staff for ?inappropriate? online?remarks
Facebook gets a mention, or two!
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FT.com / UK / Business - BA suspends staff for ?inappropriate? online?remarks
Facebook gets a mention, or two!
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