British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Crash & Burn,
It's quiet because there is nothing left to say. Everything with any possible relevance to the situation has been picked up, chewed over and spat out - in many cases, more than once. All we can do now is watch and wait.
Wait for a court descision, which if it goes one way, no doubt both sides will declare victory. If it goes the other, a source from BA will confirm that they are bitterly disappointed, before invoking SOSR. Wait for a strike ballot, which will undoubtedly be a conclusive "yes" vote for a strike that will be called off the day before it's due to start, as both sides finally come to an uneasy agreement. And then we'll all trundle off into the wilderness. Until next time.
Now, fast forward to around 2050. Flapsforty and Tightslot will be sat in their respective nursing homes, maybe having a nice set and blow-dry by Janice, the mobile hairdresser. A picture of a BA tail will pop up on the TV, along with the words, BritAir cabin crew dispute. (Or whatever it's called by then.) They will sigh deeply and break open new packets of purple and jade ink, respectively. Up and down the country and in nursing homes across the world, keyboards will be dusted off and the sound of furious click clacking of keys will be heard, as us oldies try to tell the new BASSA-nette union members, why they can never win. And on it will go....
Sorry, got a bit carried away there!
It's quiet because there is nothing left to say. Everything with any possible relevance to the situation has been picked up, chewed over and spat out - in many cases, more than once. All we can do now is watch and wait.
Wait for a court descision, which if it goes one way, no doubt both sides will declare victory. If it goes the other, a source from BA will confirm that they are bitterly disappointed, before invoking SOSR. Wait for a strike ballot, which will undoubtedly be a conclusive "yes" vote for a strike that will be called off the day before it's due to start, as both sides finally come to an uneasy agreement. And then we'll all trundle off into the wilderness. Until next time.
Now, fast forward to around 2050. Flapsforty and Tightslot will be sat in their respective nursing homes, maybe having a nice set and blow-dry by Janice, the mobile hairdresser. A picture of a BA tail will pop up on the TV, along with the words, BritAir cabin crew dispute. (Or whatever it's called by then.) They will sigh deeply and break open new packets of purple and jade ink, respectively. Up and down the country and in nursing homes across the world, keyboards will be dusted off and the sound of furious click clacking of keys will be heard, as us oldies try to tell the new BASSA-nette union members, why they can never win. And on it will go....
Sorry, got a bit carried away there!
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Whenever it is going to be surely the judge will have to inform both parties in advance, but no idea of how much notice needs/will be given.
Update I have heard/seen that the jugdgement will be passed to barristers for cross checking on friday before being delivered monday of next week
Update I have heard/seen that the jugdgement will be passed to barristers for cross checking on friday before being delivered monday of next week
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anotherthing,
bassa misleading it's members!!! Surely .................. Yep!!
No matter the outcome of the court case the company have been VERY forthright and stated very clearly that the additional costs (volunteer course, loss of revenue, loss of forward booking revenue etc) will come out of the IFCE budget.
bassa misleading it's members!!! Surely .................. Yep!!
No matter the outcome of the court case the company have been VERY forthright and stated very clearly that the additional costs (volunteer course, loss of revenue, loss of forward booking revenue etc) will come out of the IFCE budget.
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ballot result
The next BASSA meeting after the ballot closes is on the 25th February, three days after the ballot closes. Curious, it seems strange that BASSA have not arranged it on the day the ballot closes so they can shout about the outcome.
Does anyone else find it strange? Or maybe they could not find a venue, perhaps?
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Does anyone else find it strange? Or maybe they could not find a venue, perhaps?
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Blimey, it's gone quiet on here while we all wait for the judge.....
It's only taken 6 dedicated threads and thousands of posts to get here, to the sweet spot. Doesn't it feel good? Doesn't it feel... All Grown Up?
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Does anyone else find it strange? Or maybe they could not find a venue, perhaps?
Knowing how much is riding on this I would imagine they'd be very careful to dot the I's and cross the T's.
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Could it be because the ballot is being run by a third party organization (Electoral Reform Services?) and it may take them a day or two to collate all the information before they release the results?
If the court case goes their way, they will expect to use these couple of days to try and use that leverage to get a deal.
If the court case goes against them, they will try and use those days to get some sort of face saving measure.
Either way, they will be trying to avoid a strike if they have any common sense, because the troops simply don't have the metaphorical balls for it, and no matter how violently vocal a small minority (5-10%) get, your average part time mum cabin crew member at BA is going to bottle it and call in sick, or come running back, along with the commuters who will use the excuse of keeping their staff travel as a necessity.
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Booked in plenty of time a ticket on EZY from BCN to LGW is cheaper, much cheaper, than staff travel. You can complete the journey on to LHR for around a tenner, if you book in advance. The airline has an excellent on time reputation and operates a fleet years younger than some of the BA aircraft eg the ex DAN 737s. There may be those so ingrained in BA that they do not realise that other carriers provide excellent service, have newer aircraft, and cost less than staff travel, if you book in advance. Or, even if you leave it late, won't break the bank.
Staff travel tickets ain't that much of a bargain, in fact very little bargain at all if you book in advance. You would be daft to buy staff travel if you can plan in advance, and rosters come out far enough ahead for you to do that.
My point remains, by stopping staff travel for those that go on strike (I understand and know completely that is stops during a strike) BA is actively encourageing employees to use the competition.
One would have to ask why? Especially why in a company that has actively sought out commuting staff for a high proportion of its crew.
What I am pleased about is that when I came online this thread was NOT at No1.
Staff travel tickets ain't that much of a bargain, in fact very little bargain at all if you book in advance. You would be daft to buy staff travel if you can plan in advance, and rosters come out far enough ahead for you to do that.
My point remains, by stopping staff travel for those that go on strike (I understand and know completely that is stops during a strike) BA is actively encourageing employees to use the competition.
One would have to ask why? Especially why in a company that has actively sought out commuting staff for a high proportion of its crew.
What I am pleased about is that when I came online this thread was NOT at No1.
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Ticket flexibility is vital when commuting. Without the flexibility the staff ticket offers, commuting would be very expenive if there was a delay and another ticket had to be purchased at the last minute.
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Latest Bassa lies
This has been forwarded to me and is apparently the latest Bassa spin:
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Today we hear from a good source that all pilots who complete a "cabin
crew" course automatically receive a GBP500 bonus, regardless whether they
ever operate as a cabin crew member.
And still Willie Walsh would have you believe this is all about cost
cutting?
We hope the pilots enjoy spending their bonus.
Remember the ballot closes on the 22nd of February, the result will be
made known that day, and the Branch meeting is on the 25th at Kempton
starting at 11am.
We hope you are all well and bearing up under all the bullying and
harassment BA seem eager to inflict.
Regards from all your BASSA reps. .
Without any doubt I can assure you that any staff member backing BA
is doing so to protect there future and not for a £500 return..
Most BA pilots I know are insulted by this statement, but this is probably what Bassa want from the nasty 'flight deck'.
Bassa members dont be fooled by lies from your reps, and in turn destroy your future and lifestyle....
:Today we hear from a good source that all pilots who complete a "cabin
crew" course automatically receive a GBP500 bonus, regardless whether they
ever operate as a cabin crew member.
And still Willie Walsh would have you believe this is all about cost
cutting?
We hope the pilots enjoy spending their bonus.
Remember the ballot closes on the 22nd of February, the result will be
made known that day, and the Branch meeting is on the 25th at Kempton
starting at 11am.
We hope you are all well and bearing up under all the bullying and
harassment BA seem eager to inflict.
Regards from all your BASSA reps. .
Without any doubt I can assure you that any staff member backing BA
is doing so to protect there future and not for a £500 return..
Most BA pilots I know are insulted by this statement, but this is probably what Bassa want from the nasty 'flight deck'.
Bassa members dont be fooled by lies from your reps, and in turn destroy your future and lifestyle....
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I too heard this rumour about a week ago, when the volunteers started doing their courses. I really don't know what to make of it.
Also, the ballot result is going to be released on the 22nd Feb, but there is not to be a meeting until the 25th. Maybe its to stop a repeat of all the shouting and cheering from the last two times?
Also, the ballot result is going to be released on the 22nd Feb, but there is not to be a meeting until the 25th. Maybe its to stop a repeat of all the shouting and cheering from the last two times?
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Cool, £500 bonus! That's the first I've heard of that.
I understood we were going to be trained like a CC, I didn't realise we were getting paid like them to
. Is that what they call disruption pay?
I understood we were going to be trained like a CC, I didn't realise we were getting paid like them to
. Is that what they call disruption pay?
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Today we hear from a good source that all pilots who complete a "cabin
crew" course automatically receive a GBP500 bonus, regardless whether they
ever operate as a cabin crew member.
crew" course automatically receive a GBP500 bonus, regardless whether they
ever operate as a cabin crew member.
Second - If it is true I dont see the problem to be honest. Reward those that assist the future health of the company from the budget of those that dont - seems to be rather sensible business model frankly.
BASSA are a stain on the whole trade union movement and should be ashmed for turning people against unions generally.
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yep. No truth in it whatsoever! Well I didn't and no one I know has either.
LGW crews get petrol money as LHR isn't their home base but apart from that no extras as a bonus.
BASSA lies do them no favours at all and will hasten the end of them as a trade union......
LGW crews get petrol money as LHR isn't their home base but apart from that no extras as a bonus.
BASSA lies do them no favours at all and will hasten the end of them as a trade union......
I assume that BA will be collating BASSA's various bulletins. If they ever want to recover strike costs from BASSA then they're going to have plenty of evidence that a 'yes' vote was achieved at least in part by circulating untruths and unsubstantiated rumours.