British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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If SNAS's link is correct then i think we can assume that they have verified they have the correct people.
You've got to be seriously dumb to go up against your employer (in any way) on Facebook. True stupidity if proved to be true.
You've got to be seriously dumb to go up against your employer (in any way) on Facebook. True stupidity if proved to be true.
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Another interesting article:
BA suspends union militants for strike 'intimidation' | Mail Online
It seems like all the papers are picking up on this story now. Anyone posting anything about there place of work on facebook or other network sites are looking for trouble. Please be careful.
BA suspends union militants for strike 'intimidation' | Mail Online
It seems like all the papers are picking up on this story now. Anyone posting anything about there place of work on facebook or other network sites are looking for trouble. Please be careful.
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Oh dear, as the details grow this is starting to look rather nasty for a few people I would think: -
BA suspends cabin staff in Facebook row over list of strike-breaking pilots | Business | The Guardian
BA suspends cabin staff in Facebook row over list of strike-breaking pilots | Business | The Guardian
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Strewth........it must be a slow news day in Oz.
It even made our local paper this morning in Sydney.
Me thinks -when you guys wake up this morning........there may be the odd muffin pelted across the kitchen when you are having your morning 'cuppa !
British Airways suspends cabin crew over Facebook comments
It even made our local paper this morning in Sydney.
Me thinks -when you guys wake up this morning........there may be the odd muffin pelted across the kitchen when you are having your morning 'cuppa !
British Airways suspends cabin crew over Facebook comments
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Strike date...
If BASSA meets on the 25, I assume it's to decide on which action to take.
If so, given that they need a 7 days notice to start any industrial action, does that mean no strike can start BEFORE the 4th of March instead of the earlier first of March mentionned ?
Please advise...
If so, given that they need a 7 days notice to start any industrial action, does that mean no strike can start BEFORE the 4th of March instead of the earlier first of March mentionned ?
Please advise...
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well, it's come to pass.. it's getting ugly out there... from the Guardian today:
On the 7th Feb I posted
Some of those suspended insist they had not read the Facebook message, nor replied to it, and could only have been suspended on the basis that they were a Facebook friend of the original poster, said sources. Others, who were not Facebook friends, say they were suspended because someone else had messaged news of the list to them through Facebook.
On the 7th Feb I posted
Hi all,
if BASSA are saying 8 total suspended, lets get real.. we all know how they love the truth I would place money on 20 - 30 plus. Now the real concern is that those who have received unsolicited, yet incriminating protected data etc, could well be caught up if they are found to be in possession of material.
Therefore, you MUST report anything to BA! If you tell them, in their eyes you are one of the good guys. If you don't, you may be under BA's microscope yourself.
if BASSA are saying 8 total suspended, lets get real.. we all know how they love the truth I would place money on 20 - 30 plus. Now the real concern is that those who have received unsolicited, yet incriminating protected data etc, could well be caught up if they are found to be in possession of material.
Therefore, you MUST report anything to BA! If you tell them, in their eyes you are one of the good guys. If you don't, you may be under BA's microscope yourself.
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I see BASSA have been using the new england holocaust memorial poem again. I wondered if my alterations might be a more accurate representation of todays situation?
First they came for Highlands and Islands
Why should I speak up for I wasn’t based in the Highlands?
I remained silent
Then they came for Belfast
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t based at Belfast.
I remained silent
Then they came for BAR + Shuttle,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t BAR or Shuttle crew.
I remained silent
Then they came for Gatwick,
And I didn’t speak up because I was at Heathrow.
I remained silent
Then they came for me,
... There was no one left to speak out for me.
Why should I speak up for I wasn’t based in the Highlands?
I remained silent
Then they came for Belfast
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t based at Belfast.
I remained silent
Then they came for BAR + Shuttle,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t BAR or Shuttle crew.
I remained silent
Then they came for Gatwick,
And I didn’t speak up because I was at Heathrow.
I remained silent
Then they came for me,
... There was no one left to speak out for me.
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It looks like there will be no free pass regarding the pornography.
Perhaps BASSA should have done the right thing and issued an immediate apology.
A little late now to say "We never supported it" when there are no objections on record.
From the Mail online:
Perhaps BASSA should have done the right thing and issued an immediate apology.
A little late now to say "We never supported it" when there are no objections on record.
From the Mail online:
The images were said to have been subsequently replaced by an image of a hot air balloon inscribed with the words 'hot air'.
The site contained postings of the word 'poo' in lettering made to look like faeces, claim the moderates, who also received threatening emails saying: 'We know who you are.'
Documents sent to the Daily Mail state that the lookalike's internet address was registered in the name of BASSA activist Mark Everard.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250377/BA-suspends-union-militants-strike-intimidation.html#ixzz0fJTHZ5iZ
The site contained postings of the word 'poo' in lettering made to look like faeces, claim the moderates, who also received threatening emails saying: 'We know who you are.'
Documents sent to the Daily Mail state that the lookalike's internet address was registered in the name of BASSA activist Mark Everard.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250377/BA-suspends-union-militants-strike-intimidation.html#ixzz0fJTHZ5iZ
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I wonder if Len McClusky would be so sanguine if a text was being sent around with the names and addresses of Unite leaders was being sent around with the restaurants they eat in and warning them to be careful?
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The latest rubbish from BASSA
The delicate sound of gently falling boots....
As we prepared for the potential dispute in December, one of our
newsletters contained a poignant poem. To save you having to search for it
we repeat it again for your reference below...
Inscribed at the New England Holocaust Memorial
First they came for the Communists,
Why should I speak up for I wasn't a Communist?
I remained silent
Then they came for the Jews,
And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
I remained silent
Then they came for the trade unionists,
And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
I remained silent
Then they came for the Catholics,
And I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
I remained silent
Then they came for me,
.. There was no one left to speak out for me.
"First they came... " is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller
(1892-1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals to speak out
following the right wing political rise to power and the purging of any
opposition to their way of thinking during the late 1930's.
At the time we felt it apt, and more importantly, extremely relevant to
the circumstances we faced. Obviously it was in reference to far, far
bigger historical events but the sentiments, so simply and beautifully
expressed, are timeless.
Many people understood the comparison. Others felt that the employer that
they trust would never behave in such a way and that this comparison was
unhelpful.
Two months later, perhaps it is time for them to revise that opinion.
Any individual "voicing" of opposition to British Airways plans are now
being routinely and ruthlessly targeted.
Seven CSDS and other crew have or are being disciplined for discussing
crewing level problems with passengers.
Three crew face the same fate for the same "crime" of discussing it during
their SEP at Cranebank, or on the now defunct BA forum.
Twenty crew have been summarily suspended for discussions in their own
time on Facebook.
All face gross misconduct charges.
Anonymous "heavies" arrived at our branch secretary's doors late at night
delivering forty seven pages of legal threat in an attempt to force Unite
to reveal the names of a further 32 people who post on the BASSA forum.
The BASSA branch secretary, Duncan Holley, faces dismissal for gross
misconduct for carrying out union duties. But worse, the company have yet
to hear his pre-existing grievance for this very issue.
Blair Veakins, Amicus section Convenor, though currently sick faces
potential gross misconduct charges for his absence.
Lizanne Malone, BASSA chairman, Duncan Holley, BASSA Branch secretary,
Nigel Stott, BASSA Worldwide Convenor and Mark Everard, member of the
BASSA branch committee, all had confidential details of their employment
"leaked" to the Daily Mail in an attempt to discredit them and cause them
distress and intimidation.
A further six BASSA branch committee members Marcel Devereux, Chris
Harrison, Sean Beatty, Lizanne Malone, Nigel Stott and Adrian Smith have
also been threatened.
These are troubling times. We face a concerted and determined effort to
not only break your union, but more importantly to intimidate and break
you.
This is being carried out right before your eyes and right under your
noses. Some people are simply turning a blind eye to it.
Any "opposition" no matter how minor has been targeted in an attempt to
silence it. Threats and intimidation are being routinely used to suppress
your freedom of expression.
The press are being used to portrait a grossly distorted picture of a
community. Mobs have been actively and implicitly encouraged to form and
vent their ill informed anger. Messages of hatred have allowed to be
scrawled across walls. Individuals within, and the cabin crew community as
a whole, have been characterised and demonised as a "scapegoat" - to
divert attention from the true source of responsibility for all current
ills.
What will be next? Burning piles of Unite newsletters in the streets of
waterside? Shaving the heads of strikers?
Our issues and complaints are legitimate. Our actions and challenges are
legal and our cause is just - yet we remain demonised by the public at
large. Even in the eyes of many of our own colleagues, (some of whom have
been deliberately whipped up into a state of hysteria), sadly, many seem
to actually be enjoying it. They seem oblivious to the fact that when
their turn comes, and it will, they will be on their own. Nobody will lend
them a helping hand.
Our message to them is simple, GO AHEAD VOLUNTEER TO do our work. Write
your poisonous messages of hatred. Set up your fifth column union and
revel in trying to break the strike and hearts of your friends and
colleagues. In the end it will only serve to hasten their own demise, for
they WILL be next.
The echoes of the past are never as far away as we think. Pasteur Martin
Niemöller's words were a caution to future generations, whom in completely
different circumstances may find that history can easily repeat itself. It
draws a simple a lesson - Sitting back is not the easy option, but
sometimes only hindsight allows us to see that.
The fate of us all is inextricably linked. Obviously we make no comparison
in terms of historical significance, only in terms human behaviour.
It takes courage to speak out, but that is a courage we must continue to
find, and we will, but you can't leave it to others. We all need you to
lend your strength or we will fall and be left to lie in a bed of our own
making.
"All that is required for evil to prevail, is that good men, sit back and
do nothing" Edmond Burke 1770
As we prepared for the potential dispute in December, one of our
newsletters contained a poignant poem. To save you having to search for it
we repeat it again for your reference below...
Inscribed at the New England Holocaust Memorial
First they came for the Communists,
Why should I speak up for I wasn't a Communist?
I remained silent
Then they came for the Jews,
And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
I remained silent
Then they came for the trade unionists,
And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
I remained silent
Then they came for the Catholics,
And I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
I remained silent
Then they came for me,
.. There was no one left to speak out for me.
"First they came... " is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller
(1892-1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals to speak out
following the right wing political rise to power and the purging of any
opposition to their way of thinking during the late 1930's.
At the time we felt it apt, and more importantly, extremely relevant to
the circumstances we faced. Obviously it was in reference to far, far
bigger historical events but the sentiments, so simply and beautifully
expressed, are timeless.
Many people understood the comparison. Others felt that the employer that
they trust would never behave in such a way and that this comparison was
unhelpful.
Two months later, perhaps it is time for them to revise that opinion.
Any individual "voicing" of opposition to British Airways plans are now
being routinely and ruthlessly targeted.
Seven CSDS and other crew have or are being disciplined for discussing
crewing level problems with passengers.
Three crew face the same fate for the same "crime" of discussing it during
their SEP at Cranebank, or on the now defunct BA forum.
Twenty crew have been summarily suspended for discussions in their own
time on Facebook.
All face gross misconduct charges.
Anonymous "heavies" arrived at our branch secretary's doors late at night
delivering forty seven pages of legal threat in an attempt to force Unite
to reveal the names of a further 32 people who post on the BASSA forum.
The BASSA branch secretary, Duncan Holley, faces dismissal for gross
misconduct for carrying out union duties. But worse, the company have yet
to hear his pre-existing grievance for this very issue.
Blair Veakins, Amicus section Convenor, though currently sick faces
potential gross misconduct charges for his absence.
Lizanne Malone, BASSA chairman, Duncan Holley, BASSA Branch secretary,
Nigel Stott, BASSA Worldwide Convenor and Mark Everard, member of the
BASSA branch committee, all had confidential details of their employment
"leaked" to the Daily Mail in an attempt to discredit them and cause them
distress and intimidation.
A further six BASSA branch committee members Marcel Devereux, Chris
Harrison, Sean Beatty, Lizanne Malone, Nigel Stott and Adrian Smith have
also been threatened.
These are troubling times. We face a concerted and determined effort to
not only break your union, but more importantly to intimidate and break
you.
This is being carried out right before your eyes and right under your
noses. Some people are simply turning a blind eye to it.
Any "opposition" no matter how minor has been targeted in an attempt to
silence it. Threats and intimidation are being routinely used to suppress
your freedom of expression.
The press are being used to portrait a grossly distorted picture of a
community. Mobs have been actively and implicitly encouraged to form and
vent their ill informed anger. Messages of hatred have allowed to be
scrawled across walls. Individuals within, and the cabin crew community as
a whole, have been characterised and demonised as a "scapegoat" - to
divert attention from the true source of responsibility for all current
ills.
What will be next? Burning piles of Unite newsletters in the streets of
waterside? Shaving the heads of strikers?
Our issues and complaints are legitimate. Our actions and challenges are
legal and our cause is just - yet we remain demonised by the public at
large. Even in the eyes of many of our own colleagues, (some of whom have
been deliberately whipped up into a state of hysteria), sadly, many seem
to actually be enjoying it. They seem oblivious to the fact that when
their turn comes, and it will, they will be on their own. Nobody will lend
them a helping hand.
Our message to them is simple, GO AHEAD VOLUNTEER TO do our work. Write
your poisonous messages of hatred. Set up your fifth column union and
revel in trying to break the strike and hearts of your friends and
colleagues. In the end it will only serve to hasten their own demise, for
they WILL be next.
The echoes of the past are never as far away as we think. Pasteur Martin
Niemöller's words were a caution to future generations, whom in completely
different circumstances may find that history can easily repeat itself. It
draws a simple a lesson - Sitting back is not the easy option, but
sometimes only hindsight allows us to see that.
The fate of us all is inextricably linked. Obviously we make no comparison
in terms of historical significance, only in terms human behaviour.
It takes courage to speak out, but that is a courage we must continue to
find, and we will, but you can't leave it to others. We all need you to
lend your strength or we will fall and be left to lie in a bed of our own
making.
"All that is required for evil to prevail, is that good men, sit back and
do nothing" Edmond Burke 1770
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Radio 5
Richard, a BA CSD, has just told the BBC that the PCC is founded & run by BA pilots supported by BA. He feels totally intimidated by all of the aggression that he has suffered as a Bassa member.
I feel very sorry for him!
He's also just told the nation that the volunteer pilots are receiving a £500.00 bonus for breaking the strike. He proved that this was correct because a captain's wife told him so only yesterday.
I feel very sorry for him!
He's also just told the nation that the volunteer pilots are receiving a £500.00 bonus for breaking the strike. He proved that this was correct because a captain's wife told him so only yesterday.
Last edited by fincastle84; 12th Feb 2010 at 09:35. Reason: Additional content
I like this quote.
I have news for BASSA/UNITE.
The turn of 'others' has come and gone.
Nobody spoke up for us either-particularly UNITE/AMICUS.
Our issues and complaints seemed legitimate too, we also felt intimidated by our employer but again no-one stood up for us.
The world has changed, as has the industry. Take a good look around you with open eyes, BA is a shell of it's former self.
So, if some appear to be whipped up into a state of hysteria it is because they have long memories.
Our issues and complaints are legitimate. Our actions and challenges are legal and our cause is just - yet we remain demonised by the public at
large. Even in the eyes of many of our own colleagues, (some of whom have
been deliberately whipped up into a state of hysteria), sadly, many seem
to actually be enjoying it. They seem oblivious to the fact that when
their turn comes, and it will, they will be on their own. Nobody will lend
them a helping hand.
large. Even in the eyes of many of our own colleagues, (some of whom have
been deliberately whipped up into a state of hysteria), sadly, many seem
to actually be enjoying it. They seem oblivious to the fact that when
their turn comes, and it will, they will be on their own. Nobody will lend
them a helping hand.
The turn of 'others' has come and gone.
Nobody spoke up for us either-particularly UNITE/AMICUS.
Our issues and complaints seemed legitimate too, we also felt intimidated by our employer but again no-one stood up for us.
The world has changed, as has the industry. Take a good look around you with open eyes, BA is a shell of it's former self.
So, if some appear to be whipped up into a state of hysteria it is because they have long memories.
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There is a permanent record of everything on some server somewhere in the world. Nice try, but it is against www registration rules for an organisation, be it BASSA or BA to hide behind an anonymous registrant.
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False PCCC web site
This is not the first time that BASSA has registered a domain name with the intention of "unfairly disrupting the business of the [other party]"
Cabin Crew 89 had the same issue back in 2002, they took BASSA to court over it and won. PCCC take note perhaps, although I imagine that such action is not financially viable for you currently.
Copy of judgement - Cabin Crew 89–v- BASSA
Cabin Crew 89 had the same issue back in 2002, they took BASSA to court over it and won. PCCC take note perhaps, although I imagine that such action is not financially viable for you currently.
Copy of judgement - Cabin Crew 89–v- BASSA