British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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It's coming soon!!
I'm a skipper and I've just volunteered for CC training. However, before I did, I contacted my manager to be re-assured that if I did give up my time to help out the Company (and my own future) then I didn't didn't want the striking CC waltzing back to work after the strike is broken with NO consequences and probabley a "thanks for coming back to work" payment and a couple of hotlines.
My manager ASSURED me that although the details were being finalised, the sanctions for striking crew are going to be SEVERE and PERMANENT and will be announced shortly. He couldn't say anymore - Any ideas what they might be???
My manager ASSURED me that although the details were being finalised, the sanctions for striking crew are going to be SEVERE and PERMANENT and will be announced shortly. He couldn't say anymore - Any ideas what they might be???
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Of course they do - where else does the Reps daily allowance come from? You really must try better if you want to try to stir things up
maybe you are unaware of the percentage of union subs they earn inaddition to the daily rate.
Not exactly sure, but about 7%.
Which is 2500 POUNDS per month, ish.............
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down to one desperate lurker on this thread trying to 'fight' the BASSA corner.
And it makes amusing reading.
I was looking forward to Feb 1st's media coverage, but now I'm looking forward to the pilots training to man the doors, and the engineers keeping the AVOD working.
As a former "punter", "SLF", "passenger", I am so tempted to book BA during the supposed strike period, it is beyond belief. I might be able to find an excuse to do a quick weekend in Blighty.
To all of you BA employees, including the rational cabin crew that will supervise, but not excluding any department that wants BA to outlast the BASSA dinosaurs, you have my complete support!
It's the first time I've wanted to fly BA in years.
Best Wishes,
D
And it makes amusing reading.
I was looking forward to Feb 1st's media coverage, but now I'm looking forward to the pilots training to man the doors, and the engineers keeping the AVOD working.
As a former "punter", "SLF", "passenger", I am so tempted to book BA during the supposed strike period, it is beyond belief. I might be able to find an excuse to do a quick weekend in Blighty.
To all of you BA employees, including the rational cabin crew that will supervise, but not excluding any department that wants BA to outlast the BASSA dinosaurs, you have my complete support!
It's the first time I've wanted to fly BA in years.
Best Wishes,
D
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TopBunk,
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LGW crew and pilots have the same pay structure in principle, but our hourly rate stays the same, whereas the pilots get a different "actually flying" hourly pay, if that makes sense. The breakfast was included into your basic salary a few years back. We don't get breakfast in the States or Sharm, and had to fight tooth and nail for the rest, as you may well know. We get half a score in ONA.
Gg
Not strictly true, I feel. Don't LGW cabin crew get breakfast included at hotels in addition to a TAFB payment
LGW crew and pilots have the same pay structure in principle, but our hourly rate stays the same, whereas the pilots get a different "actually flying" hourly pay, if that makes sense. The breakfast was included into your basic salary a few years back. We don't get breakfast in the States or Sharm, and had to fight tooth and nail for the rest, as you may well know. We get half a score in ONA.
Gg
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I refer to Jockster's post at 1945hrs....
I think BA CC should be aware that BA senior management are about to move from DEFCON 2, to DEFCON 1.
Go on folks, google DEFCON. As well as Divide and Conquer.
GF
Mr Walsh, I applaud you.
I think BA CC should be aware that BA senior management are about to move from DEFCON 2, to DEFCON 1.
Go on folks, google DEFCON. As well as Divide and Conquer.
GF
Mr Walsh, I applaud you.
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Dear Mr Walsh,
If you find yourself a bit short a crew, just down the road at Terminal 1, a couple of hundred A319/320/321 trained crew will find out on Feb 25th that they're being made redundant. We're used to operating 4 and 5 sectors in a day (with no long turnarounds at LHR), operating on minumum crew levels, used to flying to Cairo and Tel Aviv, and coming straight back without two local nights rest down route, and all for quite a bit less money than you're currently shelling out. Give us a shout, we might be very grateful for a pay packet come the end of Feb (just in time to go through a quick SOP/SEP course and be ready to fly in March).
Just a thought
If you find yourself a bit short a crew, just down the road at Terminal 1, a couple of hundred A319/320/321 trained crew will find out on Feb 25th that they're being made redundant. We're used to operating 4 and 5 sectors in a day (with no long turnarounds at LHR), operating on minumum crew levels, used to flying to Cairo and Tel Aviv, and coming straight back without two local nights rest down route, and all for quite a bit less money than you're currently shelling out. Give us a shout, we might be very grateful for a pay packet come the end of Feb (just in time to go through a quick SOP/SEP course and be ready to fly in March).
Just a thought
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A Lurker Post #2404
You address eight points, of which five are "No Idea" and the other three give indeterminate answers.
You Sir, or Madam, do not come across as the most enlightened advocate for your cause.
You Sir, or Madam, do not come across as the most enlightened advocate for your cause.
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While you're at it google this one too.
My other half is reading a book and came across a word we didn't know.
Put it into wikapaedia and the explanation fits Bassa quite nicely.
Try it yourself the word is hubris.
Extra points if you know the meaning already!!
My other half is reading a book and came across a word we didn't know.
Put it into wikapaedia and the explanation fits Bassa quite nicely.
Try it yourself the word is hubris.
Extra points if you know the meaning already!!
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I'm a skipper and I've just volunteered for CC training. However, before I did, I contacted my manager to be re-assured that if I did give up my time to help out the Company (and my own future) then I didn't didn't want the striking CC waltzing back to work after the strike is broken with NO consequences and probabley a "thanks for coming back to work" payment and a couple of hotlines.
My manager ASSURED me that although the details were being finalised, the sanctions for striking crew are going to be SEVERE and PERMANENT and will be announced shortly. He couldn't say anymore - Any ideas what they might be???
My manager ASSURED me that although the details were being finalised, the sanctions for striking crew are going to be SEVERE and PERMANENT and will be announced shortly. He couldn't say anymore - Any ideas what they might be???
All Bassa members really need to wise up and realise that this is deadly serious. I reckon its a good thing that Malone lives in LA. When this is all over, cabin crew in their thousands will be baying for her blood.
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Dear Mr Walsh,
If you find yourself a bit short a crew, just down the road at Terminal 1, a couple of hundred A319/320/321 trained crew will find out on Feb 25th that they're being made redundant. We're used to operating 4 and 5 sectors in a day (with no long turnarounds at LHR), operating on minumum crew levels, used to flying to Cairo and Tel Aviv, and coming straight back without two local nights rest down route, and all for quite a bit less money than you're currently shelling out. Give us a shout, we might be very grateful for a pay packet come the end of Feb (just in time to go through a quick SOP/SEP course and be ready to fly in March).
Just a thought
If you find yourself a bit short a crew, just down the road at Terminal 1, a couple of hundred A319/320/321 trained crew will find out on Feb 25th that they're being made redundant. We're used to operating 4 and 5 sectors in a day (with no long turnarounds at LHR), operating on minumum crew levels, used to flying to Cairo and Tel Aviv, and coming straight back without two local nights rest down route, and all for quite a bit less money than you're currently shelling out. Give us a shout, we might be very grateful for a pay packet come the end of Feb (just in time to go through a quick SOP/SEP course and be ready to fly in March).
Just a thought
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You are so naive
I do find it amazing that my colleagues are so naive as to not understand the strength of feeling against crew going on strike by the rest of the airline. I have been in training over the last few weeks and have heard so many negative remarks about crew. I'm ashamed that we collectively cannot see how lucky we are. All the ground staff have gone through re-organisations, had to re-apply for their jobs and many had to leave on VR. In the meantime we have been asked to work one crew member less on longhaul and our gatwick colleagues have already lower crew complements. We all know that its not alot harder with one crew member less.
In Waterside today the staff could not wait to volunteer to work as crew. There are so many ex crew who work all over the airline and there are short courses for them and they in particular are being targetted to support crew who like me will vote NO to a strike and will come to work - I for one will welcome the volunteers with open arms.
If there is a yes vote I dread to think what consequences there will be for us and Im assuming that we will be told what the consequences would be before we have to vote. I am really worried and feel that the UNITE union has acted appalingly. I'm alone in my views?
In Waterside today the staff could not wait to volunteer to work as crew. There are so many ex crew who work all over the airline and there are short courses for them and they in particular are being targetted to support crew who like me will vote NO to a strike and will come to work - I for one will welcome the volunteers with open arms.
If there is a yes vote I dread to think what consequences there will be for us and Im assuming that we will be told what the consequences would be before we have to vote. I am really worried and feel that the UNITE union has acted appalingly. I'm alone in my views?
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I to have been made an assurance, from very near the top, that the losses facing the potential strikers will be more than just loss of a few days pay!
Do bassa pay lala's tickets home? Should make my commute a bit easier!
Wonder how losing a few peolpe from the pension liabilty will help the rest of us?
Would be a very brave sep instructor who refuses/impedes the training of us volunteers.
There will be no them and us after this strike, only us!
Do bassa pay lala's tickets home? Should make my commute a bit easier!
Wonder how losing a few peolpe from the pension liabilty will help the rest of us?
Would be a very brave sep instructor who refuses/impedes the training of us volunteers.
There will be no them and us after this strike, only us!
........I'm a skipper and I've just volunteered for CC training ........
Still, I applaud the sentiment and would be tempted myself - anything to justifiably pack a suitcase and disappear for a few days ! - but as remarked by an acqaintance on another Forum, too old, too short, and now a Criminal Record Check as well !! Not a hope. That speeding fine in 1952 will brand me as an arch-terrorist suspect.
Very sad times, and I nervously look at my pension, too.
Just read todays' news about JAL. Don't think it can't happen to B.A.
Best of luck.
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I don't think I am giving too much away when I say the company has a plan that will mean that certain groups of pilots will be more available than others to act for the duration of any strike action as cabin crew.
I don't think I am giving too much away when I say the company has a plan that will mean that certain groups of pilots will be more available than others to act for the duration of any strike action as cabin crew.
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Ex speedbird,
the only pilots flying as cc will be the ones whose fleets are grounded! Let's not let old age get in the way of the facts dear boy, don't think you chaps where doing 900hrs a year, please correct me if I'm wrong. Under-utilised, just exactly when did you leave?
Still on about your pension, be an old trooper and pour yourself another g&t whilst us pups get on with saving it for you. Your patronising support not really appreciated.
Once again, I thank you for leaving us the problem to fix.
the only pilots flying as cc will be the ones whose fleets are grounded! Let's not let old age get in the way of the facts dear boy, don't think you chaps where doing 900hrs a year, please correct me if I'm wrong. Under-utilised, just exactly when did you leave?
Still on about your pension, be an old trooper and pour yourself another g&t whilst us pups get on with saving it for you. Your patronising support not really appreciated.
Once again, I thank you for leaving us the problem to fix.
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What a blooming mess!
Hey
I have not posted on here before, but have felt compelled to do so on this issue. Firstly, I would like to clear a few things up:
I am BA Eurofleet Crew - I work very hard for 20/21 days a month and do not believe that I am over-paid - I think I get fair pay for a job well done.
Having said that, I am dead against this strike. Last time around, I voted yes, and the union well and truly let me down and embarrassed me! Once bitten, twice shy - it will be a no from me this time!
I don't think that the majority will be as high as last time, but I do think, sadly, that it will be a majority yes.
Does anyone know already what safeguards will be put in place to ensure I can carry out my rostered duties without harrassment or bullying? I am a member of BASSA and, although I don't agree with what they are doing, they are the only people there to protect me in a disciplinary e.t.c.
I look forward to flying with some of you during the strike period - and please don't tar all of us crew with the same brush. I simply want to work to pay my bills! Lots of crew are not up for it this time!
I have not posted on here before, but have felt compelled to do so on this issue. Firstly, I would like to clear a few things up:
I am BA Eurofleet Crew - I work very hard for 20/21 days a month and do not believe that I am over-paid - I think I get fair pay for a job well done.
Having said that, I am dead against this strike. Last time around, I voted yes, and the union well and truly let me down and embarrassed me! Once bitten, twice shy - it will be a no from me this time!
I don't think that the majority will be as high as last time, but I do think, sadly, that it will be a majority yes.
Does anyone know already what safeguards will be put in place to ensure I can carry out my rostered duties without harrassment or bullying? I am a member of BASSA and, although I don't agree with what they are doing, they are the only people there to protect me in a disciplinary e.t.c.
I look forward to flying with some of you during the strike period - and please don't tar all of us crew with the same brush. I simply want to work to pay my bills! Lots of crew are not up for it this time!
