British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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@ A Lurker ... whereas bullying in the workplace because someone doesn't agree with the BASSA line is OK? Please try harder to convince us you are a good, sensible person.
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Where else does the Reps daily allowance come from?
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Why do BASSA reps get paid an extra allowance? BALPA reps are just paid their BA salary - most are worse off than their equivalent line colleagues.
I find this astounding - how much a day?
I find this astounding - how much a day?
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Of course they do - where else does the Reps daily allowance come from?
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Does Lizanne Malone Really Get £3000 Per Month From BASSA
A_Lurker,
Not meaning to be offensive, rude or anything but please will you answer the following.
Winstonsmith has written that "Lizzane Malone gets over £3000 a month in her pocket".
Is this true? Does this include her BA salary or is this purely from BASSA subs? Talking of which, what is her salary? I take it the fact that she doesn't actually do her paid for work (Cabin Crew) means she is on a reduced salary, or am I wrong?
Does she deserve £3,000 a month? That's an awful lot of money for a union person working for those who generally are not as well paid as her.
Even if Lizzane Malone doesn't get £3,000 does she get more, less or what?
When I saw what Winstonsmith had written I was gob smacked. Then I thought I better find out the truth.
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Hval
Whoops - Amended for typos A_Lurker noticed.
Not meaning to be offensive, rude or anything but please will you answer the following.
Winstonsmith has written that "Lizzane Malone gets over £3000 a month in her pocket".
Is this true? Does this include her BA salary or is this purely from BASSA subs? Talking of which, what is her salary? I take it the fact that she doesn't actually do her paid for work (Cabin Crew) means she is on a reduced salary, or am I wrong?
Does she deserve £3,000 a month? That's an awful lot of money for a union person working for those who generally are not as well paid as her.
Even if Lizzane Malone doesn't get £3,000 does she get more, less or what?
When I saw what Winstonsmith had written I was gob smacked. Then I thought I better find out the truth.
Thanks,
Hval
Whoops - Amended for typos A_Lurker noticed.
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Hval - Lizanne Malone has two salaries - one from BA and from BASSA - on top of £3.000 per month from BASSA she also gets her salary from BA - I would think she clears around five to six thousand pounds a month - excluding allowances.
By the way - she's 50%!
By the way - she's 50%!
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I am flight crew with a different outfit. I happen to travel with BA probably 20 times a year, a mix of short haul and long haul. I am pleased to get a BA ticket because I feel that I already 'home" when I get on board. That is changing, and I will be quite sad when I no longer get that feeling stepping aboard. I am very saddened by this whole affair because I think it is going to do so much damage. I think that WW will act decisively when he has to, and the BA CC will get a nasty shock. They will have done themselves out of a pretty cushy job. Good luck BA, and fingers crossed that the CC don't destroy everything for the rest of you.
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I hope you enjoy your 'play day' - obviously seems like a lot of people hanker after being Cabin Crew - I'm assuming most of you failed to get via the normal route and this is the fulfillment of a dream.
I really hope you enjoy your day in the sun (of course all depends where you end up flying too!)
I really hope you enjoy your day in the sun (of course all depends where you end up flying too!)
Moving on..............
I see that BASSA are yet again "reverting to type" over the HMRC debacle!!!
1. Its BA fault........ really? How then is it BALPA were included? What perhaps do BASSA do wrong? Ah how about making this dispute sooooo personnal, how about not bothering to turn up at the appointed time for meetings
2. The pilots have done a deal, we need to examine it. Why? Its in the public domain, heck its even been posted in detail on this forum
3. It should be a corporate wide deal.......... pleas the records stuck BASSA you messed up, just admit it!!!
BASSA have been involved since day one on this issue
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Come on people, you allow money to be deducted from your wages every month and you dont know wheere it goes...!
Were you never even slightly interested in where it went or what it was used for.
Did you vote Tory last election whilst all the while donating your cash to the Labour Party - tell me it aint so...
Do you hold the view that your reps have failed you and yet pass your cash to them each month?
You do really have a responsibility to get informed about such things in my humble view.
Ask questions, question the answers, ask for the source, confirm things for yourselves. You will be amazed how much information is publically available to you, court decesions, company accounts, etc etc - It's all there if you chose to go and have a look-see...
Were you never even slightly interested in where it went or what it was used for.
Did you vote Tory last election whilst all the while donating your cash to the Labour Party - tell me it aint so...
Do you hold the view that your reps have failed you and yet pass your cash to them each month?
You do really have a responsibility to get informed about such things in my humble view.
Ask questions, question the answers, ask for the source, confirm things for yourselves. You will be amazed how much information is publically available to you, court decesions, company accounts, etc etc - It's all there if you chose to go and have a look-see...
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A Lurker.
Some pilots have offered to be volunteer cabin crew, do you really believe they are doing it to fullfill a dream of becoming cabin crew and failed through the normal channels?
I do not think so, they are totally committed to helping BA survive to protect the jobs they have, that is the reason why they and other volunteers will be doing it. They do not want to see BA go bankrupt.
I would come out of retirement to help out if it was possible, I do have my pension to think about after all.
Some pilots have offered to be volunteer cabin crew, do you really believe they are doing it to fullfill a dream of becoming cabin crew and failed through the normal channels?
I do not think so, they are totally committed to helping BA survive to protect the jobs they have, that is the reason why they and other volunteers will be doing it. They do not want to see BA go bankrupt.
I would come out of retirement to help out if it was possible, I do have my pension to think about after all.
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As i read here earlier, she gets £100 per day when on Union business.
As she is currently doing nothing for BA, due to her long recovery from osteoporosis [which is not a funny issue], i could assume she's devoting a lot of her time to Union business at £100 a day whilst in California. Or do her T&Cs actually require her to be in the UK achieving something? We shall never know, of course.
... whilst, presumably, also drawing BA sick pay? However, she'll presumably avoid paying the extra tax on Allowances, since she isn't [presumably] getting any.
As she is currently doing nothing for BA, due to her long recovery from osteoporosis [which is not a funny issue], i could assume she's devoting a lot of her time to Union business at £100 a day whilst in California. Or do her T&Cs actually require her to be in the UK achieving something? We shall never know, of course.
... whilst, presumably, also drawing BA sick pay? However, she'll presumably avoid paying the extra tax on Allowances, since she isn't [presumably] getting any.
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You also have to ask if the crew realise that their reps will still get their union pay during any strike (£100 per day mentioned) but that they, the crew will have to get by on £30 a day from Unite (possibly only on the days when they are actually on strike, ie not of rostered days off).
The reps are leading you into their fight which you will pay for disproportionately, not them.
The reps are leading you into their fight which you will pay for disproportionately, not them.
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Went to the meeting on monday BA have not made an effort to resolve this dispute so if the company suffers you can blame one man Villie. Remember you are talking about an airline that can't even function with a little bit of snow on the ground let alone organise an operation with the loss of 90% of its crew. As for Watersliders filling in as cabin crew don't make me laugh.
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You really do need to be careful as to what you are posting - unless you have access and can provide proof - individuals earnings are down to themselves.
What did you take home last December in your pay cheque?
What did you take home last December in your pay cheque?
I cleared around £1750 - gross!
And if you carried on reading you would have seen that Gatwick Crew almost to a man did not submit any or many receipts - hence they got clobbered - you really do need to read the full detail
The pilots didn't submit many receipts either but they managed to get a very good deal.
BASSA blaiming everyone but themselves - because they couldn't negotiate - facts!
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Not strictly true, I feel. Don't LGW cabin crew get breakfast included at hotels in addition to a TAFB payment.
If that is true, then it's hardly surprising that HMRC discovered a lower spend and hence a higher tax rate due on the TAFB for LGW cabin crews.
Da Dog - Especially when BASSA says in their newsletter that the pilots have a different pay system than the cabin crew - LGW has an exact same pay system as the pilots!
If that is true, then it's hardly surprising that HMRC discovered a lower spend and hence a higher tax rate due on the TAFB for LGW cabin crews.
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Remember you are talking about an airline that can't even function with a little bit of snow on the ground let alone organise an operation with the loss of 90% of its crew.
And if you carried on reading you would have seen that Gatwick Crew almost to a man did not submit any or many receipts - hence they got clobbered - you really do need to read the full detail
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Not strictly true, I feel. Don't LGW cabin crew get breakfast included at hotels in addition to a TAFB payment.
If that is true, then it's hardly surprising that HMRC discovered a lower spend and hence a higher tax rate due on the TAFB for LGW cabin crews.
If that is true, then it's hardly surprising that HMRC discovered a lower spend and hence a higher tax rate due on the TAFB for LGW cabin crews.
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Snow Today
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BA gave BASSA one year of precious time whilst BA has got closer and closer to bankruptcy. BASSA ignored this one year of time. BASSA chose to be extremely rude and bad mannered.
BA can no longer afford to let BASSA control the company and lose millions and millions of pounds. So, time to deal with a group of extremely rude people who are unwilling to tell the truth and unwilling to listen to the truth.
Hval
BA have not made an effort to resolve this dispute so if the company suffers you can blame one man Villie. Remember you are talking about an airline that can't even function with a little bit of snow on the ground let alone organise an operation with the loss of 90% of its crew
BA can no longer afford to let BASSA control the company and lose millions and millions of pounds. So, time to deal with a group of extremely rude people who are unwilling to tell the truth and unwilling to listen to the truth.
Hval