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GaryGnu 31st Dec 2020 05:27


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 10957520)
So now you want to change the constitution?

Yep, with the honourable exception of NSW, the collective responses of all state governments to COVID have amply demonstrated that jurisdictions with such parochial concerns should be nowhere near the levers of executive power. Get rid of all of them.

Along with that, I agree with Transition Layer


Iím not advocating for ďletting it ripĒ, just a common sense national based approach. Take the power away from the State Premiers. Define a hotspot, define a cluster. Allow people to book holidays and plan to see relatives with some sort of confidence.
The national government that pays the bills should get to make the decisions.

jrfsp 31st Dec 2020 05:39

Or how about Gladys should have nipped this in the bud al la SA....but no.....now the country's aviation sector is up shit creek again with ever increasing border closures when the country was so so close to getting fully open

Green.Dot 31st Dec 2020 05:59

WA-VIC GONE.

F*^k you COVID and the horse you rode in on.

wheels_down 31st Dec 2020 05:59

The fate of many lies with Miss P. If she puts up her walls again then itís Domestic at a standstill until March. VIC <=> QLD corridor keeping many aviation workers away from standowns.

Buster Hyman 31st Dec 2020 06:07


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 10957520)
So now you want to change the constitution?

When Betty Windsor finally 'kicks the Corgi', there'll be a renewed push for a Republic. If the Pro Republicans move to centralise power away from the States, then they'll probably get over the line. Especially after the way these clowns have descended their responses into farce.

compressor stall 31st Dec 2020 06:52


Originally Posted by Vag277 (Post 10957399)
In 2018-19, Western Australia's gross state product was A$260.6 billion (14% of Australia's GDP)

If you divide 100 by the 6 states and NT (ignoring the ACT) you get 14. So the percentage of GSP of the Australian economy is exactly average.

You've chosen to look at the resident population to say it's above average GSP per capita. What about GSP per sq km? Then it's below average as it should be 33% as it occupies 1/3 of the area of the country?



The The 31st Dec 2020 06:55

Was hoping 2021 might be looking good at least domestically. With the current outbreaks and a more contagious strain spreading worldwide, I think we can pretty much write-off at least the first 6mths of 2021.

blubak 31st Dec 2020 07:02


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 10957539)
Or how about Gladys should have nipped this in the bud al la SA....but no.....now the country's aviation sector is up shit creek again with ever increasing border closures when the country was so so close to getting fully open

How many times & by how many experts has she been told to make masks mandatory,i really cant work out what her problem us in doing so,the reaction she is getting from other states is because of her seemingly opposition to mandating them,its not a big deal,ffs just wear 1.

Turnleft080 31st Dec 2020 08:06


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10957346)
And donít think that the vaccine will mean borders open to those who are vaccinated in a vaccine passport (yellow fever style).
Now gaining awareness mainstream but the vaccine doesnít appear to stop you catching and spreading it. Rather it stops YOU getting sick but you might still be able to spread it all the same.

So another words vitamin D and zinc do the same thing as a vaccine as I was ridiculed for the last 9 months. The only diff one might give you
side effects the other doesn't. D and zinc have been tested for thousands of years the other for 8 weeks.
Sorry, how foolish of me, where in a pandemic someone has to make money.


Ragnor 31st Dec 2020 08:09

Iím a fan of Sco mo, now not so sure. still stalling until March to roll this vaccine out itís time to lead the country approve it get it out have ppl vaccinated. Actually whatís the point no vaccine is 100% effective as long there is one persons with covid that state will be locked out. 2021 is going to be worse than 2020 ppl.

dr dre 31st Dec 2020 08:10


Originally Posted by The The (Post 10957562)
Was hoping 2021 might be looking good at least domestically. With the current outbreaks and a more contagious strain spreading worldwide, I think we can pretty much write-off at least the first 6mths of 2021.

You can write it off until the level of vaccination is sufficient. The current plan has this for October 2021. Iíd be lobbying the federal government for a faster rollout. The UK are aiming to get to their critical level by Northern spring:

Second vaccine clears path out of pandemic by Spring - UK's Hancock (Health Secretary)


dr dre 31st Dec 2020 08:12


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10957592)
So another words vitamin D and zinc do the same thing as a vaccine as I was ridiculed for the last 9 months. The only diff one might give you
side effects the other doesn't. D and zinc have been tested for thousands of years the other for 8 weeks.
Sorry, how foolish of me, where in a pandemic someone has to make money.

Oh FFS the last thing we need at this time is this quackery. Just get the jab and end it.

Turnleft080 31st Dec 2020 08:42


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10957596)
Oh FFS the last thing we need at this time is this quackery. Just get the jab and end it.

Gladly take it if you can prove it won't effect any other part of the human body long term and I would have more confidence if the
companies can provide liability. They don't, so what does that mean they don't trust their own product.

Ragnor 31st Dec 2020 09:05

Your choice Turnleft donít take it completely up to you. Just be prepared to not be able to travel interstate or international if youíre a pilot well maybe look for another career. Because the federal and state governments will require some kind of vaccination moving forward to enter Australia and move within.

601 31st Dec 2020 12:55


If the Pro Republicans move to centralise power away from the States,
Please enlighten all of us on how that might occur?

dr dre 31st Dec 2020 20:35

If you guys think weíre going to have a major constitutional rewrite to remove power away from the states to close borders in a health emergency forget it. Itís never going to happen. The High Court has ruled states have these powers and it is constitutionally legal. Australia has a very poor record of approving referendums, only 8 of the 44 referendum questions posed to the Australian people have been approved and generally for minimalist changes that are accepted by both sides of politics.

The truth is the border restrictions are very popular with the general public. All premiers who institute them have been or will be re-elected. Keeping the virus out has probably allowed more work in hospitality than stand downs in aviation. Sydneyís hospitality wouldíve been crushed on NYE despite Gladysís attempt at an open economy.

The way to get around this is to remove the reason for the health emergency in the first place. One, quarantine in remote areas to reduce capital city spread (this latest NSW/Vic outbreak was spread from one mystery traveller on the northern beaches) and then expedite the rollout of the vaccine to allow a herd immunity to be in place within a few months like the UK are doing. Both of which should be done by the Federal Government which for the most part has been MIA.

Buster Hyman 31st Dec 2020 20:46


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 10957778)
Please enlighten all of us on how that might occur?

Probably through a process of deliberation, consultation and debate. Seemed to work in 1901.:rolleyes:

WingNut60 31st Dec 2020 21:42


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10958018)
If you guys think weíre going to have a major constitutional rewrite to remove power away from the states to close borders in a health emergency forget it. Itís never going to happen. ..........

Yep. I'd like to know which four of the six states would be voting in favour to get that one past.

galdian 31st Dec 2020 22:50

Removal/amendment of state powers is a debate for the future.

Right now I need the Feds to have the "big picture" for Australia and not get bogged down in the political power plays of individual states/territories.

The Feds are dolling out a shitload of extra $$, I'd like those $$ to be allocated to the states/territories who can work with the Feds for the "big picture".

Those leaders who can't - or won't - are free to do so, I'm sure losing the $$ would not be a concern to their clear conscience.
Whether or not their constituents/business leaders/community leaders et al would agree worth nothing as compared to the leaders clear conscience - be interesting to see how THAT panned out.

I don't think it's unfair for funds to be allocated where they will benefit Australia the best overall.

Turnleft080 31st Dec 2020 22:57

Just like the price of petrol goes up overnight and takes 3 weeks to come down.
Eight cases yesterday all borders close. ZERO cases in VIC today borders remain closed for 3 weeks if it stays at zero.


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