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WingNut60 7th May 2021 01:21


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11040067)
The delay in the vaccine rollout is going to cost 10s of billions of $$ to the industry.

Insights Report: Counting the cost of Australia’s delayed vaccine roll-out Part Two: International border closures

And even then I think the uptake rates since those numbers have published have dropped off, we’re even below France blowing out the time even further.

It’s obvious media scaremongering about AZ and lack of incentive to get vaccinated locally is hampering the rollout. With the government unwilling to pull out all stops to get more alternate vaccines different incentives to encourage people to get vaccinated will have to be considered. Is it time to make a Covid vaccination mandatory for certain things? Not just travel without quarantine, to enter certain venues, to work certain jobs? With the rest of the world about to open unfettered travel for the vaccinated a thing Australian’s attitude may change quick. Sure it’ll piss off the “No Mandatory Vaccination” crowd, but they’re nutters and no one should care what they think:

EU plans summer opening for vaccinated tourists

From personal experience and that of my family and friends, the biggest disincentive to vaccination is being told repeatedly "you'll need to wait for our next shipment, can you ring again tomorrow please".
Do that 5 or six times and see how incentivised you are still feeling.

No one that I know is in the least deterred by the clotting scaremongering.

cloudsurfng 7th May 2021 01:52


Originally Posted by Tucknroll (Post 11040068)
we should be the back of the global queue, we don’t have a Covid problem here. Send the vaccines where they are needed first, like we did with PNG.


yeah nah. Comes a point when you have to look after yourself. Ask all the people in various industries stood down on a financial precipice and see if we don’t have a covid problem.

im all for sharing the love. But not at the expense of Australia. It was the governments hesitation in closing Australia off earlier due to being perceived as being ‘racist’ amd not wanting to rock the boat that got us here. all
you have to do is look at idiots like Andrew Bolt and his comments on the India ban. Why he gets any airtime is beyond me. But this is the society we live in. A society where [email protected]&kwits can access the wider media, forcing the government to waste time defending stupid accusations rather than getting on with the job. Does anyone seriously think the ban on travellers from India is racially motivated?
Australia first, help when we can.

ExtraShot 7th May 2021 02:05

The Feds have seen the effects of the ‘we kept you safe’ narrative that has benefited governments in NZ, NT, QLD, WA and Tas, and they know it holds power with a fearful populace. After the disastrous response to the acts of sexual deviance and culture in parliament, and after a less than stellar vaccine rollout, the Libs will not risk any more electoral damage until next year’s Federal election is done and dusted. Maybe talk of a travel bubble here and there to keep folks like us hopeful, but no real action unless the risk is practically nil...

However...

Make no mistake they are itching for international travel to return. No, they actually desperately NEED it to. It’s budget week next week and you can bet Treasury forecasts don’t add up unless immigration is juiced back to 200000 plus Net per year; oh, and let’s face it, the big business donors will be demanding the flow of warm bodies, erm sorry, ‘skilled labor’, to put a lid back on that nasty wage growth, and the shocking requirements of having to spend a realistic amount of time and money to train locals for jobs, both of which is just simply unacceptable to them.

International travel will return with a vengeance just as soon as vaccination numbers and electoral realities allow for it.

TurningTheSpanners 7th May 2021 03:01


Originally Posted by ExtraShot (Post 11040097)
Make no mistake they are itching for international travel to return........ unless immigration is juiced back to 200000 plus Net per year;

I wonder if you're conflating two different propositions here?

Yep, the Gubbinment would like needs immigration to return but I'm not so sure about tourists.

For every international visitor bringing their ¥, their € and their £ into Australia, Bill and Barbara are taking Australian $$'s out of the country to spend in places-that-don't-have-our-G.S.T.


Originally Posted by ExtraShot (Post 11040097)
International travel will return with a vengeance just as soon as vaccination numbers and electoral realities allow for it.

I totally agree, and while certain industries want international travellers I suspect that the pent up demand means that there's going to be a lot more Australians heading overseas to spend their dollars than there will be tourists inbound.

TTS

EDIT

Originally Posted by ExtraShot (Post 11040097)
....It’s budget week next week and you can bet Treasury forecasts don’t add up....

Iron ore just hit $200 ton, that'll have Josh smiling

Dannyboy39 7th May 2021 04:35


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 11040030)
India is normal i take it?

FFS are you really comparing India to the western world? I’ve worked in India for a few months - I like the place, but let’s not make any mistake here... disease and destitution is endemic in the population at large. A million people die from diarrhoea every year and a third of the country doesn’t have access to a working toilet

ExtraShot 7th May 2021 05:48


I wonder if you're conflating two different propositions here?

Yep, the Gubbinment would like needs immigration to return but I'm not so sure about tourists.
No I’m not, I didn’t mention Tourism, though inbound or outbound it’s all favorable for us to get back to work, we want bums on seats.

However , Immigration doesn’t return the way treasury forecasts need it to unless International travel returns. It’s not just permanent migrants. But PR holders, Students, Temporary workers, etc etc... it adds up to many more travelers than a Net migration figure of 200000 (many of whom also then themselves travel back and fourth to visit family and friends). The governments numbers don’t add up without it all, and many businesses will be ‘leaning’ on them making it happen ASAP.

Iron ore may have hit $200 a ton (I’d say Gina and twiggy are smiling more than Josh), but Structural steel is up about 3-4 times, as is the price of lumber... that won’t do the building industry any favors unless there’s a way to keep demand at levels that will endure the required price rises. We know the rent seekers in the property industry love the way our immigration policies have kept demand for property elevated. They are a prime example of those in industries beyond tourism wanting unrestricted travel to return soon, and at the highest levels possible.

Foxxster 7th May 2021 07:32

Utterly incredible. Queensland is going to make its QR code app mandatory next month. That’s May 2021. It only made the app available in March 2021. The app is now only voluntary. But even when it is made mandatory, it won’t be mandatory for everyone. And yet that ****wit Steven Miles thinks he is king shit… Christ are Queenslanders all intellectually impaired that they voted incompetent dipshits like him back in. Rhetorical question there.

How long has this pandemic being going. And it takes them until bloody May 2021 to make QR codes mandatory. And they still stuff it up allowing separate systems to be used. Yep, that’s going to streamline things, speed the process up. Make everyone use the one system, nah. Why the hell would you want to do that.

Who is impacted?

"Most" hospitality venues – in other words, pubs, restaurants and cafes will need to use it.

Mr Miles said licensed clubs that used ID scanning would still have the choice of using that for their record keeping.


Fonz121 7th May 2021 07:50

Soooo, you agree with the mandatory QR code app or not? Your messaging is all over the shop.



Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11040199)
Utterly incredible. Queensland is going to make its QR code app mandatory next month. That’s May 2021. It only made the app available in March 2021. The app is now only voluntary. But even when it is made mandatory, it won’t be mandatory for everyone. And yet that ****wit Steven Miles thinks he is king shit… Christ are Queenslanders all intellectually impaired that they voted incompetent dipshits like him back in. Rhetorical question there.



How long has this pandemic being going. And it takes them until bloody May 2021 to make QR codes mandatory. And they still stuff it up allowing separate systems to be used. Yep, that’s going to streamline things, speed the process up. Make everyone use the one system, nah. Why the hell would you want to do that.

Who is impacted?

"Most" hospitality venues – in other words, pubs, restaurants and cafes will need to use it.

Mr Miles said licensed clubs that used ID scanning would still have the choice of using that for their record keeping.


Foxxster 7th May 2021 08:02


Originally Posted by Fonz121 (Post 11040208)
Soooo, you agree with the mandatory QR code app or not? Your messaging is all over the shop.

seems very clear to me, or are you being sarcastic…

in case you are not , yes I agree with mandatory QR codes

morno 7th May 2021 12:50


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11040219)
seems very clear to me, or are you being sarcastic…

in case you are not , yes I agree with mandatory QR codes

Errrr, I’ve been checking in with QR code’s in most places in QLD since about this time last year, or mid year, can’t remember exactly.

Wtf are you on about?

601 7th May 2021 13:08


Errrr, I’ve been checking in with QR code’s in most places in QLD since about this time last year, or mid year, can’t remember exactly.

Wtf are you on about?
A mishmash of all different private organisations collecting collecting a lot more data that that required by the Health Dept.
Some worked some didn't.
Funny that there is a lot of people called Micky Mouse living in Oz.

highflyer40 7th May 2021 13:52


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 11040361)
A mishmash of all different private organisations collecting collecting a lot more data that that required by the Health Dept.
Some worked some didn't.
Funny that there is a lot of people called Micky Mouse living in Oz.

Here in the UK we use the NHS app to check in to places/venues. Takes less than 2 seconds and it’s anonymous. You download the app switch on bliuetooth and off you go. You don’t need to register or anything. When you go somewhere you open the app tap “check in to venue” scan QR code and your done. You can then get an alert on your phone telling you that you have been in contact with someone who has subsequently tested positive, and you must isolate. That’s the end of it. It leaves it up to the user to comply or not.

A320 Flyer 7th May 2021 20:47


Originally Posted by highflyer40 (Post 11040390)
That’s the end of it. It leaves it up to the user to comply or not.

how did that work out for the UK over the last 12 months?

Tucknroll 7th May 2021 23:00


Originally Posted by A320 Flyer (Post 11040588)
how did that work out for the UK over the last 12 months?

Yeah real gold standard Covid management over there.

minigundiplomat 7th May 2021 23:18


Originally Posted by Tucknroll (Post 11040643)
Yeah real gold standard Covid management over there.

To be fair to the POMS, they’re a global crossroads interlaced across many other countries, and have almost 3 times the population, not an out of the way island, however beautiful or lucky that island is.

and they’ve jabbed over 40m people with a vaccine whilst our government has naval gazed and managed 2m


Dannyboy39 8th May 2021 04:47


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11040649)
To be fair to the POMS, they’re a global crossroads interlaced across many other countries, and have almost 3 times the population, not an out of the way island, however beautiful or lucky that island is.

and they’ve jabbed over 40m people with a vaccine whilst our government has naval gazed and managed 2m

There seems to be a lot of naval gazing on this thread quite frankly. We are a small island that relies on imports from the continent. We have no option to isolate ourselves, but it feels as if the government are getting closer to that stance every day. Variants will arrive regardless of actions at the border. Millions of key workers are exempt from amber list quarantine because the benefit of them working outstrips the risk.

But anyway, the UK government released its green list yesterday. 12 territories of which 4 are only letting visitors in if you can believe that. And it includes Aus and NZ!

Foxxster 8th May 2021 05:26


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11040709)
There seems to be a lot of naval gazing on this thread quite frankly. We are a small island that relies on imports from the continent. We have no option to isolate ourselves, but it feels as if the government are getting closer to that stance every day. Variants will arrive regardless of actions at the border. Millions of key workers are exempt from amber list quarantine because the benefit of them working outstrips the risk.

But anyway, the UK government released its green list yesterday. 12 territories of which 4 are only letting visitors in if you can believe that. And it includes Aus and NZ!


surely if you decide to holiday in Australia, you would still be at the mercy of our quarantine laws regardless of whether you are vaccinated or not. Which would mean two weeks isolation on arrival. Which I would think might dampen anyone’s or most people’s plans. Especially as you have to pay for it, somewhere around 1,800 squid for an individual.

SRFred 8th May 2021 05:33

"Six overseas travellers who reported they were fully vaccinated have tested positive for COVID-19 while in hotel quarantine, authorities have revealed.

The numbers were released in this week’s NSW Health COVID-19 surveillance report as the federal government pushes forward with its vaccine passport plans.

The report states six people in the NSW hotel quarantine system tested positive over four weeks ending on May 1, despite reporting they were vaccinated prior to landing in Australia."

Make of that what you will.

ruprecht 8th May 2021 05:39


Originally Posted by SRFred (Post 11040719)
Make of that what you will.

What I make of that is that the media is more interested in clickbait than objective reporting.

ScepticalOptomist 8th May 2021 05:43


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11040720)
What I make of that is that the media is more interested in clickbait than objective reporting.

Precisely - there was lots of fluff and no facts in the article!


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