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Left 270 30th Jul 2020 23:42


Originally Posted by Come in spinner (Post 10849220)
Blubak
I agree without NSW and Vic and tourism QLD is screwed.

QLD tourism areas are heavily reliant on international tourism, the major domestic tourism comes from Victorians who won’t be traveling in numbers regardless of the boarder. But let’s not let facts get in the way of a good rant. QLD has, or possibly had the opportunity to have an unhindered state economy with tourism from the states that didn’t bungle the outbreak. The NSW premier has acted like a toddler throughout this, and has hindered the country’s recovery when the got out of step after the lockdown.

Xeptu 31st Jul 2020 00:20


Originally Posted by Climb150 (Post 10849829)
Actually very few health care workers become infected. The only ones I know who did were unaware a patient had CoVID when they treated them.

And there in lies the problem, we had 3 months "to know" just a suspicion should have been enough. It's 700 front liners in isolation of which 330 are known to be infected in Victoria alone, hence why they are asking for help.

Buster Hyman 31st Jul 2020 03:39


Originally Posted by Left 270 (Post 10849866)
...Victorians who won’t be traveling in numbers regardless of the boarder.

What have their tenants got to do with this? :}

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 31st Jul 2020 13:26


A total of 1,030 healthcare workers have been infected with coronavirus since the pandemic began.
Back in April:

A health department spokeswoman, however, said on Friday evening the "overwhelming majority" of healthcare workers contracted the virus outside their workplace - through international travel or through close contact with an infected person.
If you are working in a field where the vast majority of people you come in contact with might actually have Coronavirus, then, yes, the chances are much higher you may catch it. Your exposure is order of magnitudes higher than Joe Public standing in an aisle at Bunnings.

Come in spinner 31st Jul 2020 14:21


Originally Posted by Left 270 (Post 10849866)
QLD tourism areas are heavily reliant on international tourism, the major domestic tourism comes from Victorians who won’t be traveling in numbers regardless of the boarder. But let’s not let facts get in the way of a good rant. QLD has, or possibly had the opportunity to have an unhindered state economy with tourism from the states that didn’t bungle the outbreak. The NSW premier has acted like a toddler throughout this, and has hindered the country’s recovery when the got out of step after the lockdown.

WTF
so you agree Qld is screwed without international tourism an tourism from NSW and Vic.
did you agree my (rant)?

Come in spinner 31st Jul 2020 14:31

I actually think out of the premiers the NSW premier has done well a good mix of health and economy.
good messaging
nice empathy
rational decision making

and I don’t live in NSW

601 31st Jul 2020 16:53


Victorians who won’t be traveling in numbers regardless of the boarder
I believe that all the Victorians are already in Qld. But they did leave their boarders behind.

Xeptu 31st Jul 2020 18:43

Those managing the pandemic live in the cities and inner burbs, the ones that slap themselves on the back and tell everyone how good we australians are.
The ones that have never seen a Bushfire/Flood emergency escape plan. The ones that don't even have a fire blanket let alone a fire extinguisher in their own homes, you could be one of them. So don't be too surprised if the Pandemic Management turns out to be an Epic Fail.

currawong 1st Aug 2020 02:56


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10850400)
Those managing the pandemic live in the cities and inner burbs, the ones that slap themselves on the back and tell everyone how good we australians are.
The ones that have never seen a Bushfire/Flood emergency escape plan. The ones that don't even have a fire blanket let alone a fire extinguisher in their own homes, you could be one of them. So don't be too surprised if the Pandemic Management turns out to be an Epic Fail.

Indeed.

For a cordon to work, it has to be immediate. Not at midnight sometime next week.

Most of the belated responses to date are tentative, far from proactive and seem to be more about not hurting peoples feelings.


Stickshift3000 1st Aug 2020 13:53


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10850595)
Indeed.

For a cordon to work, it has to be immediate. Not at midnight sometime next week.

Most of the belated responses to date are tentative, far from proactive and seem to be more about not hurting peoples feelings.

When politicians announce these things, the legislation to enforce it is not yet in place.

For the sake of the thousands that live near the border (and those traveling home) it would be absurd to put up a barrier overnight (Berlin Wall anyone?).

Buster Hyman 1st Aug 2020 13:56


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10850595)
Indeed.

For a cordon to work, it has to be immediate. Not at midnight sometime next week.

Most of the belated responses to date are tentative, far from proactive and seem to be more about not hurting peoples feelings.

They fail to realise that it can be imposed immediately and enforced from a later date, to ensure those that are still unprepared have time to get sorted. I've heard that MEL will go to Stage 4 from Wednesday, but announced tomorrow...same deal I guess.

Turnleft080 1st Aug 2020 16:02

[QUOTE=Buster Hyman;10850906]They fail to realise that it can be imposed immediately and enforced from a later date, to ensure those that are still unprepared have time to get sorted. I've heard that MEL will go to Stage 4 from Wednesday, but announced tomorrow...same deal I guess.

Which means stage 3 has failed. We have sanitised, social distanced, masked up, self house arrest, and the numbers rise. Why am I not surprised. Just panic, panic, panic.
Just read the numbers at 11am. Dan hasn't slept in months. He is a broken man and very forlorn. It's all don'ts and no do's.
Six months in still not one comment on how to improve your immune system. Nothing on how to prevent a cytokine storm. How to prevent pneumonia. Nothing on good health.
As I said ages ago the scary thing is not the virus, but how governments react to it. Stage 4 is planned for 6 weeks from Wednesday. Thats going to crush more morale and businesses.
Where is the guarantee that this is going to work. Their is none. OK, lets do another 6 weeks Dan. What ever the numbers are in 6 weeks all borders must open.
If the whole country wore a mask and looked after their own hygiene, I would open all borders tomorrow. Isolate the sick and vulnerable and get the healthy working.
What difference does it make now?


Sunfish 1st Aug 2020 20:54

Turn left, I had advice yesterday lunchtime. Yes, it’s an NZ style lockdown which is the only thing that works here because of dumb [email protected]#$Ing millennials and criminal scum who won’t social distance. The “criminal scum” comment is accurate by the way, as is documented already by cases.

Where I am, we still have a nursing home full of treasured old people and a whole host of national treasures in their seventies who add to the vibrancy of the community. We would like to keep them.

I had two car loads of dipshit millennials here yesterday - drinking, smoking, swearing bogans who somehow escaped Melbourne for the day and nothing gave me more pleasure than reporting them.

‘’Seriously, this bug is crazily infective. My policeman son explained that, from his training, you should go through a box of gloves a day if you want to keep safe from it in a healthcare setting. As he puts it, we are trying to drive a car backwards at 100 kmh using the rear view mirror. I could be infectious right now - spreading the virus to friends and loved ones, but I won’t know for five days after I have destroyed their health and set them on the same path of infecting others. Isolation is the only tactic that works until we have a vaccine.

‘’Please don’t start the crap about the disease being mild either. Masks help a bit in preventing the spread.

As it is, we have six cases here - that we know of.

A Melbourne person brought it to a restaurant on 22 July. . One waitress got it. She gave it to her son. He is at secondary school. The school is now closed for the future and Forty year twelve kids are sweating on their Covid test results as are their families. If they have spread it to the two supermarkets and fast food hangouts in town then we are stuffed.

White Knight 2nd Aug 2020 04:23


Originally Posted by Sunfish
Isolation is the only tactic that works until we have a vaccine.

And if there is never a vaccine that works? Hide under rocks for ever?


SOPS 2nd Aug 2020 06:01

Well there goes Victoria.

Section28- BE 2nd Aug 2020 06:19

Melbourne- 671 and a State of Disaster declared.....
 
ex ABC News: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...-rise/12515914

Extract:

Premier Daniel Andrews said 671 new coronavirus cases had been detected since yesterday and seven more people had died.

Six of the deaths have a connection to aged care.

From 6:00pm tonight, a state of disaster will be declared across Victoria, which will act in addition to the state of emergency.

Mr Andrews said the state of disaster gave police greater power and allowed authorities to suspend acts of Parliament.
rgds
S28- BE

Ladloy 2nd Aug 2020 09:38


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10851118)
Turn left, I had advice yesterday lunchtime. Yes, it’s an NZ style lockdown which is the only thing that works here because of dumb [email protected]#$Ing millennials and criminal scum who won’t social distance. The “criminal scum” comment is accurate by the way, as is documented already by cases.

Where I am, we still have a nursing home full of treasured old people and a whole host of national treasures in their seventies who add to the vibrancy of the community. We would like to keep them.

I had two car loads of dipshit millennials here yesterday - drinking, smoking, swearing bogans who somehow escaped Melbourne for the day and nothing gave me more pleasure than reporting them.

‘’Seriously, this bug is crazily infective. My policeman son explained that, from his training, you should go through a box of gloves a day if you want to keep safe from it in a healthcare setting. As he puts it, we are trying to drive a car backwards at 100 kmh using the rear view mirror. I could be infectious right now - spreading the virus to friends and loved ones, but I won’t know for five days after I have destroyed their health and set them on the same path of infecting others. Isolation is the only tactic that works until we have a vaccine.

‘’Please don’t start the crap about the disease being mild either. Masks help a bit in preventing the spread.

As it is, we have six cases here - that we know of.

A Melbourne person brought it to a restaurant on 22 July. . One waitress got it. She gave it to her son. He is at secondary school. The school is now closed for the future and Forty year twelve kids are sweating on their Covid test results as are their families. If they have spread it to the two supermarkets and fast food hangouts in town then we are stuffed.

I'm country vic too, dumb **** boomers spreading it here.

601 2nd Aug 2020 14:12


Stage 4 is planned for 6 weeks from Wednesday.
They are sending the wrong message by setting a time.
With setting a time, "dipshit millennials" and stupid teenagers will think that it will be over in six weeks.
They should be saying that the Stage 4 will end when the "curve is flattened" as we did at the start.
People may start to take this seriously.

dr dre 2nd Aug 2020 21:22


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 10851392)
I'm country vic too, dumb **** boomers spreading it here.

Yep. But everyone has to blame it on millennials (FYI millennials are over 25).

Last time I checked it wasn’t a millennial conspiracy theorist who was refusing to wear a mask at Bunnings???

Buster Hyman 2nd Aug 2020 23:03


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10851861)
Last time I checked it wasn’t a millennial conspiracy theorist who was refusing to wear a mask at Bunnings???

No, because they're too busy running through the check points & boasting online...


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