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BNEA320 30th May 2020 00:57

All borders to reopen.
 
https://www.travelweekly.com.au/arti...8%20May%202020



& this paragraph in particular …



According to the proposed timetable, Aussies would be able to travel to New Zealand and the Pacific from 1 July, with travel to other countries deemed safe under a bilateral health agreement to restart from 10 September.

However, it appears all international travel wouldn’t resume until after 15 December.

The Tourism Restart Taskforce is planning for all domestic travel, including domestic expedition cruises, to restart from 5 June.


& my guess, jobkeeper & jobseeker to go early, as country can't afford it. As it is, GST will have to increase. To what ? 15%, 20% or more ?


Colonel_Klink 30th May 2020 01:34

It’s calling for all domestic travel to start from June 5.

So by next Friday you think the WA, NT, QLD, SA and TAS state governments are all going to open their borders. You are absolutely kidding yourself. It’s more likely the state borders open from July 1 and borders open to NZ by some time in September.

And what do you mean the country can’t afford JK and JS? Australia still has one of the lowest government debts amongst OECD nations. The RBA governor has basically said we can afford to borrow more and spend it on things that will grow the economy. This is especially the case when the cost of borrowing is so cheap at the
moment.

You need to understand that government debt is not the same as household debt.

And are you also suggesting the government is going to double a consumption tax at the point where consumption is at its lowest because the country is in recession? That would be a massive economic blunder - and there is no way the government will go anywhere near something like that.



BNEA320 30th May 2020 01:49


Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink (Post 10797174)
It’s calling for all domestic travel to start from June 5.

So by next Friday you think the WA, NT, QLD, SA and TAS state governments are all going to open their borders. You are absolutely kidding yourself. It’s more likely the state borders open from July 1 and borders open to NZ by some time in September.

And what do you mean the country can’t afford JK and JS? Australia still has one of the lowest government debts amongst OECD nations. The RBA governor has basically said we can afford to borrow more and spend it on things that will grow the economy. This is especially the case when the cost of borrowing is so cheap at the
moment.

You need to understand that government debt is not the same as household debt.

And are you also suggesting the government is going to double a consumption tax at the point where consumption is at its lowest because the country is in recession? That would be a massive economic blunder - and there is no way the government will go anywhere near something like that.

no fed govt wants to announce that GST is being increased, but at some point, one will have to. There's also a problem, that those getting $750 a week for doing nothing in many cases, don't want to go back to work & when dole is reduced to what it was, many dole bludgers will scream, they can't live on that, even though many have cash jobs on the side.

Islandlad 30th May 2020 01:59


Originally Posted by BNEA320 (Post 10797183)
no fed govt wants to announce that GST is being increased, but at some point, one will have to.

Before the thread grows could you make the Title more specific to Australia, NZ and any Pacific border? There will be many different area specific borders people are waiting to open (which may close again).

Thanks and good luck.

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 30th May 2020 02:21

The body proposing the June 5 timeline is Federal.

Good luck convincing the State governments to follow it.

The The 30th May 2020 02:26

Western Australia and New Zealand are to be the first to open up the Trans Tasman bubble. Large number of expat NZ'ers in WA and big immediate tourism potential for both sides, winter skiing in NZ and warm sunshine in Northern WA.

You heard it here first!

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 30th May 2020 02:37


Originally Posted by The The (Post 10797193)
Western Australia and New Zealand are to be the first to open up the Trans Tasman bubble. Large number of expat NZ'ers in WA and big immediate tourism potential for both sides, winter skiing in NZ and warm sunshine in Northern WA.

You heard it here first!

Media reports this week to the contrary. Vic, ACT and NSW most likely to open first to NZ. Reports of a possible proving flight on July 1 CBR to WLG.

No disrespect to WA, but the vast majority of tourism dollars and Kiwi Expats come fro the east coast. Perth is a pretty small city and I can’t see many people flying 7 hrs to AKL then 2 hrs down to ZQN to hit the slopes. Or vice versa kiwis up to Broome.

cloudsurfng 30th May 2020 02:42

Whilst the state dictators can control their own borders, international approval is a federal matter. No way Scomo will reward the petulant states that refuse to allow Australians in, with holidays to one of the greatest places on earth....and nor should he. It will be ACT, NSW and VIC subject to NZ approval of course.

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 30th May 2020 02:49

BNEA320,

As much as we all want travel to resume ASAP, cherry picking news reports and creating misleading threads on PPRUNE isn’t going to make it happen any faster, no matter how many exclamation points you use!!!!!!!!!!

normanton 30th May 2020 04:40

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the NZ PM has stated many times that there will be no travel to AUS until all of our internal borders are removed.

It ain't happening any time soon.

Chris2303 30th May 2020 04:43

More and more NZers do not want the border open until Australia is reporting zero new cases. If NZ can do it even Aussies can do it.

Don't listen to Winston - what he says is of no import.

Ragnor 30th May 2020 04:57

Zero new cases? Well better seddle in and wait for a vaccine because zero target will not happen.

rmm 30th May 2020 05:40


Originally Posted by normanton (Post 10797221)
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the NZ PM has stated many times that there will be no travel to AUS until all of our internal borders are removed.

It ain't happening any time soon.

She may have changed her tune,
https://www.theage.com.au/business/t...27-p54x16.html

"New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said on Wednesday she spoke to her Australian counterpart Scott Morrison on Tuesday and both were keen to move forward with the idea “as quickly as we can”.
"It won't be too long before we are ready," she said at a press conference."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/lega...25-p54w8a.html

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said on Monday the creation of a bubble – or safe travel zone – between Australia and New Zealand was not conditional on state border relaxation.
"It's contingent on Australia signalling that they are ready," she said. "They may choose to open up while they have some internal border restrictions. They may choose to wait. I see that as a matter for Australia."

ivan ellerbai 30th May 2020 05:41


could you make the Title more specific to Australia, NZ and any Pacific border?
Why? Isn't where it's posted specific title enough?

PPRuNe Worldwide > Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

Buttscratcher 30th May 2020 06:05


Originally Posted by cloudsurfng (Post 10797196)
.... with holidays to one of the greatest places on earth..

You're taking the piss, right?

Chris2303 30th May 2020 06:25


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10797224)
Zero new cases? Well better seddle in and wait for a vaccine because zero target will not happen.

NZ has had zero new cases for the last 6 days.

chookcooker 30th May 2020 06:26

They’re gonna be in a pretty small bubble if that’s the pass mark then. Good luck NZ economy

plainmaker 30th May 2020 06:40

GST to increase - yeah rite!
 
A small note to BNEA320
GST revenue goes back to the States, not the Commonwealth (although a Commonwealth Agency collects it). So as per your 'proposed' GST increase will have ZERO effect on Commonwealth Debt. And you can bet, if the GST rate was increased, the States would be falling over one another to get their 'entitlement'.
Plainmaker.

ozbiggles 30th May 2020 08:29

None so blind as those that will not see.

cloudsurfng 30th May 2020 09:30


Originally Posted by Buttscratcher (Post 10797251)
You're taking the piss, right?

not at all. The South Island is incredible, I’d live there in a heartbeat.

PS life for me is about skiing and hiking.....

AmarokGTI 30th May 2020 09:34

“ALL BORDERS TO REOPEN”

Well what a stupid title. Of course they will. At some point. Do you work for the Daily Mail?

Section28- BE 30th May 2020 10:08

GST to increase - yeah rite!
 
Ex-

'plainmaker'

A small note to BNEA320
GST revenue goes back to the States, not the Commonwealth (although a Commonwealth Agency collects it). So as per your 'proposed' GST increase will have ZERO effect on Commonwealth Debt. And you can bet, if the GST rate was increased, the States would be falling over one another to get their 'entitlement'.
Plainmaker.
Hearin you Mr 'plain-fabricator': Is, NOT all this 'support'/welfare/child-care (in point of Fact ref, this), etc. funded/fully franked at 100 cents in 'the' dollar, and beyond- at this time....???

How, would 'one' pull 'this'- out of a GST increase/blunt TOOL......???? and have any Economy remaining to move forward, with..???

Repeat the same actions,........ and then, expect a.......????

Rgds all
S28- BE

CSTGuy 30th May 2020 10:35

Well if one was to read back through many of BNEA320’s posts and threads, he/she ain’t the sharpest pilot/economist/commentator/rumour mongerer going around.....

machtuk 30th May 2020 11:17

Australia is the most disfunctional fractured country on the planet! We have huge potential but not in this lifetime!

normanton 30th May 2020 11:24


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 10797500)
Australia is the most disfunctional fractured country on the planet! We have huge potential but not in this lifetime!

haha I suggest you go read CNN!

wishiwasupthere 30th May 2020 11:33


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 10797500)
Australia is the most disfunctional fractured country on the planet! We have huge potential but not in this lifetime!

Yeah, nah.


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ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 30th May 2020 12:00


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 10797500)
Australia is the most disfunctional fractured country on the planet! We have huge potential but not in this lifetime!

apart from maybe NZ, I challenge you to name a country where you’d rather be right now

Global Aviator 30th May 2020 12:08

Maybe on an island with Mr Wilson!!!

galdian 30th May 2020 12:50


Originally Posted by Global Aviator (Post 10797540)
Maybe on an island with Mr Wilson!!!

Yeah, nah - on an island with Robin (Anne Heche), at least might get a bit of "social" intercourse. ;)

exfocx 30th May 2020 13:26


Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE (Post 10797530)
apart from maybe NZ, I challenge you to name a country where you’d rather be right now


Oh, let me see. Taiwan, S. Korea, Japan!

Slezy9 30th May 2020 20:30


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 10797500)
Australia is the most disfunctional fractured country on the planet! We have huge potential but not in this lifetime!

You following events in the USA?

Double_Clutch 30th May 2020 20:52

Another well informed post by BNEA320!?!?!?
Genius - of course the borders will open (at some point). How about we come back an revisit this thread when they all actually reopen!

maybe he is trying to bolster his business and bookings?

thorn bird 31st May 2020 02:35

My old dad used to say he wanted to retire with a pub on a tropical Island.

With no customers!

TT738 10th Jun 2020 05:13

NZ to open to Qld but not NSW/Vic ?
 
NSW, Victoria to miss out in New Zealand’s travel bubble plan

https://www.news.com.au/travel/desti...6dbf851d45d32d

It seems NZ might be open to Qlders before southerners.

Guess it's up to scomo. Don't think anna chukka in qld has any say on international borders, or am I wrong ?

BNEA320 10th Jun 2020 05:16


Originally Posted by TT738 (Post 10807248)
NSW, Victoria to miss out in New Zealand’s travel bubble plan



It seems NZ might be open to Qlders before southerners.

Guess it's up to scomo. Don't think anna chukka in qld has any say on international borders, or am I wrong ?

good for NZ & Qld economies, but bad for Australian ski resorts. Vaguely remember that BNE & OOL had combined around 12 nonstop flights a week to Queenstown in mid winter 2019.

Duck Pilot 10th Jun 2020 05:29

Can’t see it being attractive for anyone going into Queensland until they lift the isolation restrictions, unless they absolutely need to go there.

14 days locked up in Brisbane in isolation is painful!!!

KiwiAvi8er 10th Jun 2020 05:32


Originally Posted by Duck Pilot (Post 10807259)
Can’t see it being attractive for anyone going into Queensland until they lift the isolation restrictions, unless they absolutely need to go there.

14 days locked up in Brisbane in isolation is painful!!!

The whole basis of the trans Tasman bubble is to waive the isolation requirements.

TT738 10th Jun 2020 05:34


Originally Posted by Duck Pilot (Post 10807259)
Can’t see it being attractive for anyone going into Queensland until they lift the isolation restrictions, unless they absolutely need to go there.

14 days locked up in Brisbane in isolation is painful!!!

word on the street is, after weekend protest debacle with virtually no social distancing among 20,000 people, that social distancing will be gone & Qld border will be open in less than 2 weeks, unless massive jump in cases of corona.

NZScion 10th Jun 2020 05:35


Originally Posted by KiwiAvi8er (Post 10807261)
The whole basis of the trans Tasman bubble is to waive the isolation requirements.

Correct. There is already a skeleton schedule of flights from MEL, SYD and BNE to AKL operated by NZ.

DanV2 10th Jun 2020 05:45


Originally Posted by TT738/BNEA320 (Post 10807248)
NSW, Victoria to miss out in New Zealand’s travel bubble plan

https://www.news.com.au/travel/desti...6dbf851d45d32d

It seems NZ might be open to Qlders before southerners.

Guess it's up to scomo. Don't think anna chukka in qld has any say on international borders, or am I wrong ?

Thanks for the update, BNEA320!


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