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myshoutcaptain 2nd Jan 2021 04:03


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 10958821)
So maybe McClownís shutting of the WA border to all NSW on Dec 19 wasnít such a stupid idea?

Retrospective isolation for crew backdated to anyoneís guess and just landing in a state other than WA constitutes entering that State even if you donít leave the aircraft!.

No other crews have the restrictions McGowan has applied to WA crews but still expects FIFO and cargo to continue.

Whilst the population moves freely unabated the crews are locked at home.

aussieflyboy 2nd Jan 2021 04:26


Originally Posted by myshoutcaptain (Post 10958848)
Retrospective isolation for crew backdated to anyoneís guess and just landing in a state other than WA constitutes entering that State even if you donít leave the aircraft!.

No other crews have the restrictions McGowan has applied to WA crews but still expects FIFO and cargo to continue.

Whilst the population moves freely unabated the crews are locked at home.

Our company has just about given up rostering crew to NSW and Vic from WA. The whole crew goes sick to avoid the 2 weeks quarantine.

myshoutcaptain 2nd Jan 2021 04:42


Originally Posted by aussieflyboy (Post 10958849)
Our company has just about given up rostering crew to NSW and Vic from WA. The whole crew goes sick to avoid the 2 weeks quarantine.

About time Jayne and Alan had a chat and sorted it then.

Youíd think Airline Pilot and Flight Attendant would classify as Transport and Logistics. Rolling testing like a Kenworth driver.

Maybe we should offload anything in the hold other than bags.

Ragnor 2nd Jan 2021 07:35


Originally Posted by myshoutcaptain (Post 10958853)
About time Jayne and Alan had a chat and sorted it then.

Youíd think Airline Pilot and Flight Attendant would classify as Transport and Logistics. Rolling testing like a Kenworth driver.

Maybe we should offload anything in the hold other than bags.

Not sure what AJ and JH would achieve. I think the states would much prefer if all airlines didn't fly each premier does not give to hoots about QF, JQ, VA Rex etc for them it would be one less place they have to send resources to so they could use them on the border.

Angle of Attack 2nd Jan 2021 12:05

Why all the bickering? Who cares about states and their premiers, they are basically pawns on a chess board. Perth, Brisbane they will be next, it will get out regardless. The weakest link in this whole mess is the Hotel Quarantine System, every outbreak has come from failings in it. There needs to be a solution to quarantine overseas arrivals in remote locations away from population centres without workers mixing with the general population. Maybe I’m simplistic but this is where the weakest link is, why not fix it? While you import active cases of the virus into the middle of our Capital cities I see this Wash, Rinse, repeat continuing until early 2022. 2021 is going to be if anything worse than last year with this bunch of inert politicians around.

Sunfish 2nd Jan 2021 12:40

The weakest link is $#@#ing air transport!

dr dre 2nd Jan 2021 12:56


Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 10959069)
this is where the weakest link is, why not fix it?

Feds donít want to spend the money. Hotels that would be usually full of international travellers are empty so cheaper to put returnees there and service those hotels with cheap migrant labour working two jobs to get by, than create temporary remote quarantine with a higher paid FIFO workforce.

Dannyboy39 2nd Jan 2021 15:58


Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 10959069)
Why all the bickering? Who cares about states and their premiers, they are basically pawns on a chess board. Perth, Brisbane they will be next, it will get out regardless. The weakest link in this whole mess is the Hotel Quarantine System, every outbreak has come from failings in it. There needs to be a solution to quarantine overseas arrivals in remote locations away from population centres without workers mixing with the general population. Maybe Iím simplistic but this is where the weakest link is, why not fix it? While you import active cases of the virus into the middle of our Capital cities I see this Wash, Rinse, repeat continuing until early 2022. 2021 is going to be if anything worse than last year with this bunch of inert politicians around.

Nauru maybe?

blubak 2nd Jan 2021 21:57


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10958743)
I thought Dan had a solid rock plan for covid even employing a covid commander to oversee it. Hard border closure now theyíre running for the hills in Victoria. You would think tho, after the last mess up they had they would be prepared but typical labour gov canít prepare for anything this is why WA closes ASAP when one case occurs they canít cope either.

Victoria testing centers close being un able to keep up that is madness at its best, they want ppl to get tested but canít test ppl. What is Dan doing down there, nothing obviously!

His plan involves mandatory wearing of masks,Gladys has been told by every authority in the country to do the same & now 3 weeks later,she decides to.
She doesnt want to stop people going to the cricket because it might inconvenience them,oh how nice of her.

Ragnor 2nd Jan 2021 22:03


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10959381)
His plan involves mandatory wearing of masks,Gladys has been told by every authority in the country to do the same & now 3 weeks later,she decides to.
She doesnt want to stop people going to the cricket because it might inconvenience them,oh how nice of her.

So because Dan makes ppl wear mask and locks them up for 111 days, he is doing a great job?

murder most fowl 2nd Jan 2021 22:06

How many sporting codes have continued this year with fans in attendance though other outbreaks? Its an outdoor venue with plenty of space and COVID plan in place.

blubak 2nd Jan 2021 22:28


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10959384)
So because Dan makes ppl wear mask and locks them up for 111 days, he is doing a great job?

Never disputed his stuff up with hotel quarantine but whether u like it or not(& i certainly didnt) he got a result.
Isnt the aim to keep the numbers as low as possible?,that it seems is what is in place now but the virus hasnt gone away so we need to all do everything possible to achieve that whether u vote lib or lab not really important right now.

Green.Dot 2nd Jan 2021 22:32


Originally Posted by murder most fowl (Post 10959385)
How many sporting codes have continued this year with fans in attendance though other outbreaks? Its an outdoor venue with plenty of space and COVID plan in place.

I canít recall too many large crowds this year when there were known clusters in the community but please correct me if I am wrong.

Remember back in July when Perth Stadium was to host 22,000 and lots of reservations about it. That was when Perth was getting negligible community cases a day (maybe zero, I canít find the data.)

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/af...217c9175131b19

Meanwhile at the SCG fans are being asked to ďcheer quietlyĒ. Yeah that will work after a few schooners. Am I the only pessimist here? Great if they pull it off, but it will go down as one of the stupidest decisions in history if it fuels the fire.

https://www.reuters.com/article/cric...-idINKBN2940EN

NzCaptainAndrew 2nd Jan 2021 22:36

With 10% of Israel's population already vaccinated, why is Australia lagging so far behind?

Ragnor 2nd Jan 2021 22:37

You make a very fine point Blubak.

Keep the numbers low that was the sim back in March NSW has been doing that everyone else seems eradication is the aim now. Never going to happen as long as international arrivals are coming business remain open and ppl move around.

Now we have 7 individual country’s on one island that have different ideas normality will never return.

wheels_down 2nd Jan 2021 22:58


Originally Posted by NzCaptainAndrew (Post 10959394)
With 10% of Israel's population already vaccinated, why is Australia lagging so far behind?

No Vaccine has got approval yet. All those countries are essentially going ahead regardless of approval for emergency use only. Essentially they are victims of their own incompetence.

We are lucky to have the ability here to cross check

dr dre 2nd Jan 2021 23:15


Originally Posted by wheels_down (Post 10959400)
No Vaccine has got approval yet. All those countries are essentially going ahead regardless of approval for emergency use only. Essentially they are victims of their own incompetence.

We are lucky to have the ability here to cross check

No, they have an emergency use approval which was granted after full phase 3 trials for safety and effectiveness were completed.

The problem is the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) is expected to grant full approval to one or more of the vaccines sometime this month, yet the federal governmentís rollout plan isnít starting until March and wonít be completed until October. All this time and they havenít made a comprehensive plan for storage, transport, public education, testing sites, staff etc. They havenít pumped as many resources into the TGA to expedite proper vaccine rollout. As other nations have shown it can be rolled out quickly, our government just donít want to spend the money or something else.

Airlines should be lobbying them to help distribute it as quick as possible.

lc_461 2nd Jan 2021 23:36

There was an interview done by the QLD CHO I think that described the rollout as one of the biggest logistical exercises ever done. Australia is one of the most decentralised populations in the world. Don't forget some communities in regional Australia don't even have a hospital with doctors.. Israel couldn't be more than 1/20th of the land mass.
Traditionally government is not great at large projects (remember the census...). I know it is upsetting for those in aviation (myself included), but I'd rather them take an extra few weeks to sort out the logistics and supply chain and try and get it right. The alternative is an almost certain clusterf#ck. I think Australia also has a much better chance of higher community coverage and take up by going through the proper channels rather than emergency protocols.
You have to remember for lots of the public (especially WA and QLD where little to no effort is being put into social distancing anymore), the virus is not impacting life and they are skeptical as to why they should even bother with the vaccine.. There was an article for Singapore or Korea where only 50% said they would bother with the vaccine due to skepticism about the emergency protocols. That would be a worst case scenario here. The same thing happened at the height of the first wave with the Covidsafe app, now a white elephant. Govt only has once chance to get it right with the population, and I think in this case they are spot on.

patty50 2nd Jan 2021 23:51

If they donít get vaccine messaging right they will find themselves with millions of people refusing it. Vast majority of people who donít want ordinarily take vaccines and give them to their kids. How does rushing the rollout and approval alleviate their concerns.

Blocking interstate travel is fine if 5% refuse but if 70% refuse then what are you going to do? Will be hilarious when Alanís only customers are bedwetting boomers.

dr dre 3rd Jan 2021 01:04


Originally Posted by lc_461 (Post 10959413)
l Australia is one of the most decentralised populations in the world. Don't forget some communities in regional Australia don't even have a hospital with doctors.. Israel couldn't be more than 1/20th of the land mass.

Australiaís population is concentrated in several urban centres near the coast. Weíre 86% urbanised, one of the worldís highest, so apart from some very sparse remote communities which will benefit from government funded vaccination programs itíll actually be easier to vaccinate Australians.


Originally Posted by patty50 (Post 10959421)
If they donít get vaccine messaging right they will find themselves with millions of people refusing it. Vast majority of people who donít want ordinarily take vaccines and give them to their kids. How does rushing the rollout and approval alleviate their concerns.

We have no jab no play. Thatís worked, and flu vaccine uptake was around 70% for 2020. Employers will make it mandatory, schools will make it mandatory, itíll be mandatory to travel, the elderly and vulnerable will desire it. The vast majority of people arenít anti-vaxxers, unless influential people with an agenda are allowed to perpetuate that message in the media.


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