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Ragnor 21st Dec 2020 21:50

Any way they're closed 250 million lost to QLD alone is estimated, QLD to their credit have indicated an end date to revisit the open back up day being 8th January at the earliest. What are the other states going to do? SA, VIC NT and TAS don't have a plan yet WA well mcidiot will wait until March I suspect. By comparison to size SA recent Parafield was much worse by percentage other states except WA seem to open quickly to SA. yesterday 15 (0.041899% positive from test conducted) from 38,500 test is a huge turn out best in the country to date.

As for mask, well Glayds is relying on everyone being accountable and not making the mask mandatory this has worked so far, however, could it have prevented this Avalon outbreak who knows as patient zero can not be identified but suspicions is it was an international arrival hence mask wouldn't have mattered as this person should have been isolating anyway. As of this morning international crew are going 1 of 2 government hotels instead of going to 1 of 22 so this is good start on fixing that hole in the cheese. Next weak link is now international exemptions allowing ppl to isolate at home.

currawong 21st Dec 2020 21:54

Yeah no big deal.

Meanwhile, in California ICU capacity has tanked and mass fatality protocols activated...

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...pacity-at-zero

Other regions reporting at more than 100%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-capacity.html

601 21st Dec 2020 22:31


Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
You have 48 hours to produce your licence in Queensland. You should carry it with you, you do not have to. Reference is s.58(3) of the Police Powers Responsibilities Act.
e medicare card or passport is all that's required. Don't have to provide an address. This nonsense has gone on way too long.
That only applies under the Road Use Management Act or the Heavy Vehicle National Law (Queensland);
The Public Health Act 2005 gives the Police wider powers.

Bodie1 21st Dec 2020 22:58

You think you can outrun nature do you? Good luck with that.

As a mate of mine said, "look at the upside mate, no one has died of old age since March"

Ladloy 21st Dec 2020 23:17


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10952193)
You think you can outrun nature do you? Good luck with that.

As a mate of mine said, "look at the upside mate, no one has died of old age since March"

No one ever dies of old age.

Bodie1 21st Dec 2020 23:25

Watch the morning briefing and see how real professionals deal with this, Chant, Berijiklian :ok:

WhisprSYD 22nd Dec 2020 00:37


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10952199)
Watch the morning briefing and see how real professionals deal with this, Chant, Berijiklian :ok:

Yep 👍🏼

and the irony in all the ‘ha the gold standard’ sarcasm that was across social media 2 days ago now that it seems like NSW’s gold standard tracing is going to (fingers crossed) get this under control in under a week

Ragnor 22nd Dec 2020 00:42

They're the best in the world. Also with them doing an exceptional job is the public which is following the direction and rules being put in place in a very dynamic environment so Sydney ppl are just as much to thank.

Bodie1 22nd Dec 2020 01:04

I've had to travel through the 3 eastern states quite a bit during the last 8 months, the difference between the states is marked. Being nannied into Stockholm Syndrome in VIC, the constant jingoism in QLD by quite possibly the dumbest politician in Australia (Miles) and the just get on with it in NSW.

Watching the southern and northern borders this morning is embarrassing. Thinking of a couple of mates and the inevitability of them being stood down again after probably the toughest 9 months of their lives, the destruction of hundreds of millions into the economy and family businesses. Well done Australia, 'We're all in this together'

1A_Please 22nd Dec 2020 01:28


Originally Posted by getaway (Post 10951630)
luckily guns are strill legal. I'm getting a big one for Xmas. Watch out.

BNEA320 is trying to get his latest pseudonym banned to add it to his collection.

wheels_down 22nd Dec 2020 04:28


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10952199)
Watch the morning briefing and see how real professionals deal with this, Chant, Berijiklian :ok:

Big difference today compared to the previous few days. They stumbled on the first few days, and whilst what is going on behind closed doors leaves other states for dead, the car crash media briefings didn’t put faith in many. Looks like the PR team cleaned a few things up.

She left Sutton and Dan for dead today. Incredibly detailed and they most certainly know what’s going on it appears.

You don’t really need to question contact tracing after seeing today’s performance. Watching months of Victoria briefings you just walk away full of skepticism. Always so many questions left unanswered. Too much unknown and guesswork. No matter how smooth talking Dan and Brett make it.

Ragnor 22nd Dec 2020 05:39

Well our boomers are at it again. 70yr old that’s supposed to stay home being an Avalon resident was fined for breaching the health order. Decided to go to Ulladulla leisure centre for a swim.

currawong 22nd Dec 2020 07:51

"NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says infections slipping through the cracks of hotel quarantine are "inevitable", after a case linked to the scheme was confirmed today."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...erges/13007030

:hmm:

Trampdave 22nd Dec 2020 07:53


Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie (Post 10952113)
I am very happy to be in Oz, where 20 cases make news and 1 death is a headline. Not like Europe or Trumptown with 300,000 dead and tens of thousands more cases every day, hospitals loaded to the max, medical staff run off their feet.

In regional QLD, no lockdowns, no cases, and back in April, no toilet paper. But all good now, only difference is, no tourists.

I m sure a caged monkey in a zoo would be just as happy talking its wild counterpart. 😉

Potsie Weber 22nd Dec 2020 08:49

CDC quarantine guidelines now suggest if no symptoms and have negative test on day 5, a 7 day isolation period is adequate (10 days if no symptoms and no test). At the very least, this should be a reduced requirement for border imposed isolation.

blubak 22nd Dec 2020 19:50


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10952226)
They're the best in the world. Also with them doing an exceptional job is the public which is following the direction and rules being put in place in a very dynamic environment so Sydney ppl are just as much to thank.

Have never doubted the leaders in NSW, vic stuffed up in a big way but i think to their credit they have really turned that around & in reality all the opposition can do is still play poltics.
No govt will please everyone & even the govt you vote in may not give you what you think they should,all the people following the rules imposed will give the best result & overall thats what is happening.
I have friends in a couple of european countries who would give anything to be living here right now so who is better off?? Easy answer i would have thought.

WingNut60 22nd Dec 2020 20:35


Originally Posted by Trampdave (Post 10952374)
I m sure a caged monkey in a zoo would be just as happy talking its wild counterpart. 😉

Not sure which part of the EU you live in, but if I want to leave the state in which I live I need to travel 1400 km (distance to the nearest border).
If I want to go to Sydney then that figure doubles plus some.
This state has not had a case of virus in-the-wild or Covid death in over 250 days.
The only restriction of which I know and with which I am required to comply (other than my federal government imposed, monkey's cage travel restrictions) is to leave my telephone number when visiting certain venues.
Unemployment in the state is very slightly above the level it was pre-Covid and as I said in an earlier post, business confidence is reportedly at a 13 year high.

Now tell me again, why am I supposed to feel like a monkey in a cage?

blubak 22nd Dec 2020 21:21


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10952830)
Not sure which part of the EU you live in, but if I want to leave the state in which I live I need to travel 1400 km (distance to the nearest border).
If I want to go to Sydney then that figure doubles plus some.
This state has not had a case of virus in-the-wild or Covid death in over 250 days.
The only restriction of which I know and with which I am required to comply (other than my federal government imposed, monkey's cage travel restrictions) is to leave my telephone number when visiting certain venues.
Unemployment in the state is very slightly above the level it was pre-Covid and as I said in an earlier post, business confidence is reportedly at a 13 year high.

Now tell me again, why am I supposed to feel like a monkey in a cage?

Correct,ok there are some restrictions right now which are not perfect by any means but like i said previously look at europe.
I feel lucky to be in oz right now,it is not perfect but putting it in perspective where would you rather be?

WingNut60 22nd Dec 2020 21:35


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10952850)
Correct,ok there are some restrictions right now which are not perfect by any means but like i said previously look at europe.
I feel lucky to be in oz right now,it is not perfect but putting it in perspective where would you rather be?

Anywhere in Oz except,perhaps, within about a 200 km radius of Westfield Chatswood.
And that has nothing to do with Covid.

KRviator 22nd Dec 2020 22:01


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10952830)
This state has not had a case of virus in-the-wild or Covid death in over 250 days.

Please tell the rest of us why that might be? Surely it wouldn't be because your esteemed leader refused to pull his weight with international arrivals during the initial stages of the pandemic - preferring to let other states carry the load, while at the same time, crowing about how good his measures have been? And surely that wouldn't be because he hasn't prepared said state for its' own COVID outbreak, instead preferring to whinge about how only "2,000 tests is four times the normal number and that's why people were turned away from getting tested" while NSW can successfully test over 44,000 people in one day!

Any turkey can close the borders and say "Look how good we have done!", that's not the real measure of success - particularly when you are not your own nation, but part of a federation of states. Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised - WA didn't even sign up to Federation when everyone else did, that came weeks later when they finally decided they should be part of Australia....

While I am rightly critical of the NSW Government on many levels, I would say they have been the most successful - and the most reasonable - in the entire thing. They have brought back more Australian's through Sydney since March than all the other states combined! They have done so, notwithstanding they have had several outbreaks and have only closed one border once and even then it took a serious outbreak to trigger that, and they have proven many times they can get on top of any outbreaks fairly rapidly. And even now when when dealing with their most significant outbreak in months, at a time when other states are shutting NSWelshmen out, they continue to bring significantly more Australian through Sydney than other states.

Nope, I wouldn't be proud to say I'm from Qld or WA when talking about a COVID response....


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