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jrfsp 30th Dec 2020 09:28

Well where are all the people on this forum criticizing the state premiers for closing borders.....???

Didnt close fast enough it seems....

Ladloy 30th Dec 2020 09:48

Wtf is gladys doing. Get it sorted.

rattman 30th Dec 2020 11:03

So am I missing something Gladys tells everyone to stay at home for new years but the fireworks is still going head as planned.

If that correct am I only thinking that is a incredably stupid idea ?

dr dre 30th Dec 2020 11:11


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 10956996)
Wtf is gladys doing. Get it sorted.

Small government, let the free market sort it out, canít hurt the economy blah blah blah.

Itís pretty obvious now we need the vaccine here ASAP. The current Federal government plan to have it completed by October is too late. Even the Conservatives in the UK are rolling out their vaccination schedule to have an effective end to the pandemic by Northern Spring, 6 months before Australia according to their Health Secretary. Now obviously the situation is worse over there but no reason our government canít expedite the arrival and rollout of the vaccine here as much as possible and show us theyíre going to make it priority one.

But I canít see much about it, on the PMís FB page a few touchy feely messages for Sydney, a cheesy Christmas message, some military personnel being sent to Fiji, some religious message, but very very little about the vaccine and the plan to bring it here ASAP, which should be priority one.

Climb150 30th Dec 2020 14:51

So where exactly did the Northern Beaches outbreak originate? Usually the news takes delight in blaming "foreign flight crews" and "returned travellers".

Do we have a Victoria style lapse of protocol here that nobody will admit?

Ragnor 30th Dec 2020 18:30

Well Dan will not loose his 60 odd days he has another column ďcases squired interstateĒ thatís the blame column. Vic will do a hard border closure to NSW and WA will close to Vic standby for Queen P up in the north they will close by weeks end. Get ready for stand downs

Green.Dot 30th Dec 2020 20:28


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 10956972)
Well where are all the people on this forum criticizing the state premiers for closing borders.....???

Didnt close fast enough it seems....

Just taking a stab in the dark but could be because domestic pilot salaries are directly linked to borders being open and people buying tickets to fly somewhere?! This is a pilot forum after all.

I wonít even argue whether itís right or wrong to close anymore- itís pointless. 10 cases a day has the same effect as a 1000. Some borders shut and consumer confidence disappears. SA govt tells people to come home from NSW being one such example. 2021 will drag on just as much as 2020 I suspect. :ugh:

Climb150 30th Dec 2020 20:34

So borders close whenever someone sneeze's now but you will wait 6 months for vaccinations to start?

Green.Dot 30th Dec 2020 20:39


Originally Posted by Climb150 (Post 10957315)
So borders close whenever someone sneeze's now but you will wait 6 months for vaccinations to start?

Bring on the vaccinations tomorrow. No arguments from me. But just another thing out of mine (and your) control. :ok:

Australopithecus 30th Dec 2020 21:19

Has anyone seen published any coherent plan to distribute and administer the vaccine doses when they finally do arrive? Watching the USA train wreck from afar reveals that poor planning is a disaster: their current rate means more than four years to vaccinate 75% of their population.

The local medicines authority here insists on conducting their own data review before they approve any vaccine for local use despite competent authority approvals overseas. Why? Protecting their turf in the face of obvious immediate need?

Ladloy 30th Dec 2020 21:25


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10957266)
Well Dan will not loose his 60 odd days he has another column ďcases squired interstateĒ thatís the blame column. Vic will do a hard border closure to NSW and WA will close to Vic standby for Queen P up in the north they will close by weeks end. Get ready for stand downs

60 day streak has now been flipped to 0

C441 30th Dec 2020 21:33


The local medicines authority here insists on conducting their own data review before they approve any vaccine for local use despite competent authority approvals overseas. Why?
The local medical authorities in the UK and US have given emergency 'approval' for the use of couple of vaccines because their situation is critical and bordering on unmanageable. Ours is not.

Some months ago most medical authorities around the world, including here, suggested that the complete results of testing of a number of the vaccines would be complete in March. I guess it was on that basis that the Australian Government set it's timeline.

galdian 30th Dec 2020 21:47


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 10957335)
60 day streak has now been flipped to 0

Seriously - why would anyone have expected anything else??

Dealing with a new virus with mutations, for all the pain Vic appears to have demonstrated that if people isolate/don't travel the spread stops.
Conversely, of course, once travel starts again there will be new cases as sure as night follows day.

Anyone who thinks this virus can be eliminated is nuts.
At best maybe it can be controlled whilst life goes on - some people will get sick, some may die but at some stage the siege mentality has to give way to getting on with life and taking the knocks.

Federally at some stage the govt gotta say "enough", Australia is one country and must look to move forward as one.

Maybe the removal of additional funding to states who don't want to "move forward as one" would give pause for thought?
Don't have the answer but at some stage a tipping point has to be reached where the good of Australia has to override the perception/whim of individual state and territory leaders.

With the present mentality W.A. will NEVER open again - and that is both bullshit and intolerable.





compressor stall 30th Dec 2020 21:48

And donít think that the vaccine will mean borders open to those who are vaccinated in a vaccine passport (yellow fever style).
Now gaining awareness mainstream but the vaccine doesnít appear to stop you catching and spreading it. Rather it stops YOU getting sick but you might still be able to spread it all the same.

Australopithecus 30th Dec 2020 21:54


Originally Posted by C441 (Post 10957340)
The local medical authorities in the UK and US have given emergency 'approval' for the use of couple of vaccines because their situation is critical and bordering on unmanageable. Ours is not.

Some months ago most medical authorities around the world, including here, suggested that the complete results of testing of a number of the vaccines would be complete in March. I guess it was on that basis that the Australian Government set it's timeline.

Yes, but the emergency use authorisations werenít slapdash, and full licences wonít be issued before March anyway.

Australopithecus 30th Dec 2020 21:57


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10957346)
And donít think that the vaccine will mean borders open to those who are vaccinated in a vaccine passport (yellow fever style).
Now gaining awareness mainstream but the vaccine doesnít appear to stop you catching and spreading it. Rather it stops YOU getting sick but you might still be able to spread it all the same.

Yes, so eventually the unvaccinated will be the at-risk population, same as for any illness. The wilfully unvaccinated should feature how prominently in our future border closures?

itsnotthatbloodyhard 30th Dec 2020 22:44


Originally Posted by galdian (Post 10957345)

With the present mentality W.A. will NEVER open again - and that is both bullshit and intolerable.

Any aircrew subject to the WA hotel quarantine system can expect to be treated little better than a criminal - orders barked at you, little common courtesy, and seemingly no awareness that air transport might actually be of benefit to WA.

Since thatís their attitude, as far as Iím concerned, any returning WA residents should only be allowed to re-enter Australia through Perth, and not via any of the eastern states. And when international aircrew start bring vaccine supplies into the country, WA can be last cab off the rank to receive them.

(and yeah, I know this is divisive & unhelpful etc, but right now I donít care - just a bit fed up with the arrogant smug attitude)

WingNut60 30th Dec 2020 22:57


Originally Posted by galdian (Post 10957345)
Federally at some stage the govt gotta say "enough", Australia is one country and must look to move forward as one.

Maybe the removal of additional funding to states who don't want to "move forward as one" would give pause for thought?
Don't have the answer but at some stage a tipping point has to be reached where the good of Australia has to override the perception/whim of individual state and territory leaders.

With the present mentality W.A. will NEVER open again - and that is both bullshit and intolerable.

If ScoMo thought he could get away with that he'd have done it by now.
His government was elected with a two seat majority, lost that majority for a while, but now has it back.

He would be on a flogging to nothing if he was to further tread on the toes of three (of six) Labor states while pushing a federalist wheelbarrow over closed borders.
He tried it for a while by backing Clive Palmer's High Court challenge but someone must have had a whisper in his ear.



Vag277 30th Dec 2020 22:59

In 2018-19, Western Australia's gross state product was A$260.6 billion (14% of Australia's GDP), making it the nation's most productive state with a GSP per capita of A$100,367 (compared with the national average of A$74,605).

Perhaps the less productive states should pay attention. In 1933, 2/3 of the voting population voted in favour of secession. Only the pommy government at the time stopped it from happening.


goodonyamate 30th Dec 2020 23:01


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10957346)
And donít think that the vaccine will mean borders open to those who are vaccinated in a vaccine passport (yellow fever style).
Now gaining awareness mainstream but the vaccine doesnít appear to stop you catching and spreading it. Rather it stops YOU getting sick but you might still be able to spread it all the same.

very true, however once everyone who is not medically unable has had the vaccine, then it should be free for all. The world could do with a fee less anti vaxxers who continue to sprout their hours of research from YouTube whilst on the shitter.

anti vax = no rights as far as Iím concerned.


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