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Ragnor 3rd Jan 2021 00:18

Employers can enforce vaccinations re write of policy include covid vaccination. All of us here that work for QF or JQ have had Hep B, Measles, Rubella and chicken pox vaccinations these are all a requirements employment well it was for me anyway.

WingNut60 3rd Jan 2021 00:39


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10959448)
Employers can enforce vaccinations re write of policy include covid vaccination. All of us here that work for QF or JQ have had Hep B, Measles, Rubella and chicken pox vaccinations these are all a requirements employment well it was for me anyway.

And for international travel, as with other serious transmissible diseases, your protests may well be irrelevant if either the receiving or returning country requires proof of immunisation.
Commuting back and forth to Colombia a couple of years ago I was asked to produce my yellow card every time on return to Oz.
Same when travelling to or returning from Mozambique from ZAF.

Going back a long way, I also remember the mandatory shots for entry at Paya Lebar for those without a valid yellow card entry.
A small queue walking in from the Concorde only to be told to roll up their sleeves and being inoculated with an air blast.
I think that was for small pox.

Ragnor 3rd Jan 2021 01:01

Health Minister just announced that every Australian will have been able to receive the vaccine/Vaccines by October 2021. “The government will make available free and voluntary administration of the vaccine by October”

The rest will be left up to states and business if it will be mandatory for entry/employment I’m guessing.

lucille 3rd Jan 2021 01:03

It’s all about perception. I’ll bet that if the vaccine was for say Ebola and only 70% effective, there would be a 100% of the population queued up for a week in the blazing sun to get a jab. After all, 70% effective is still pretty good odds.

But for Covid? I sense a lot of pushback against getting vaccinated from otherwise sensible people. Clearly, they don’t believe it’s as “deadly” as has the mass hysteria would have it. And even more curious, this same cohort is more than happy with border closures and lockdowns and the loss of civil liberties to save their precious lives. Go figure.

When the time comes, it will be interesting to see just how many of my broader circle will actually volunteer to get the jab. I know that I will.

patty50 3rd Jan 2021 01:51

Again forcing people is easy when you only have relatively small numbers of people unvaccinated.

I know a large number of people in my personal and professional circles who have no desire to get it. Educated, intelligent people whose lives havenít changed much arenít too fussed. Most people (unlike pilots) can go get another job if their boss gets too uppity.

Scomo wonít stare down premiers reliant upon Commonwealth grants, how is he going to force 15 million Australians to take it with an election next year.

Ragnor 3rd Jan 2021 02:30

He said he won’t force anyone to get the jab, Gov is making it free and voluntary. Fed Gov will make entry to Australia mandatory tho so don’t travel abroad if you don’t want it.

As we all know states control their own border each state could require vaccination proof before entry if not just travel inside your own state for ever.

There are ways to make this voluntary uptake of it mandatory without making it mandatory from a fed gov perspective. Just be prepared not to be able to do a lot if you don’t take it.

wheels_down 3rd Jan 2021 02:55

I donít think interstate will be a mandatory requirement surely? That will burn the airlines again for people have fights booked and miss getting the jab due to unavailability.

WA will probably want it as a mandatory entry requirement.


Ragnor 3rd Jan 2021 04:58

I bet you would of said 12 months ago states wouldn’t shut the relatives of dying people out, but they did. All bets are off moving forward I believe and until this covid is eradicated world wide this is the new normal. Premiers don’t give a hoot about airlines.

Ladloy 3rd Jan 2021 05:05


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10959481)
I bet you would of said 12 months ago states wouldnít shut the relatives of dying people out, but they did. All bets are off moving forward I believe and until this covid is eradicated world wide this is the new normal. Premiers donít give a hoot about airlines.

And why should they. We only care if we're directly affected by it. I'm sure if you were in the construction industry right now you wouldn't give a rats arse about the borders closing shut, especially if it means you can continue working.
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Ragnor 3rd Jan 2021 05:11

Hey I agree with you 100% if you’re not affected you don’t even know covid exist. I have plenty of mates in the construction industry I’m lucky enough to be employed by one now.

Until those guys want to go on a holiday and wonder why flights are $1000 one way to Brisbane $5000 to NZ and so on. All will be affected eventually.

currawong 3rd Jan 2021 05:18

Everyone that has a border, has restricted it in some way.

Only one is closed to departures.

There is a ban on all overseas travel, unless granted an exemption.

Bet you would not have picked that 12 months ago either.

Makes the cost of airfares a moot point.

jrfsp 3rd Jan 2021 05:24


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10959489)
Everyone that has a border, has restricted it in some way.

Only one is closed to departures.

There is a ban on all overseas travel, unless granted an exemption.

Bet you would not have picked that 12 months ago either.

Makes the cost of airfares a moot point.

Indeed....Will be interesting what happens in March when Job Keeper / Seeker supplement ends, If people are struggling to make ends meet, holidays are the first thing to go

blubak 3rd Jan 2021 05:47


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10959486)
Hey I agree with you 100% if youíre not affected you donít even know covid exist. I have plenty of mates in the construction industry Iím lucky enough to be employed by one now.

Until those guys want to go on a holiday and wonder why flights are $1000 one way to Brisbane $5000 to NZ and so on. All will be affected eventually.

The airlines can charge or advertise a fare for whatever amount they want,doesnt mean anyone has to buy it.
There are plenty of great holiday destinations in everyones home state so when you go looking for a flight to an interstate destination & you dont like what you see pricewise,forget supporting greedy airlines & jump in the car.

601 3rd Jan 2021 05:57


All this time and they haven’t made a comprehensive plan for storage, transport, public education, testing sites, staff etc. They haven’t pumped as many resources into the TGA to expedite proper vaccine rollout
Citation please?

Square Bear 3rd Jan 2021 10:19


Airlines should be lobbying them to help distribute it as quick as possible
The way I see it is that the Countries that have used emergency provisions to circumvent the usual vaccine approvals are countries that are in much more dire straits than Australia will likely be in prior to March.

I personally do not see that getting aircraft flying, or pilots back on full time salary actually fits the bill for spreading up the approval process of the vaccine here in Australia at all.

Of course if it comes down to human life, for sure, spread up the approvals.

And whilst there are some on here that won’t hear of any opposing view to their myopic one....that is my take, like it or lump it.

Cheers.


Ragnor 3rd Jan 2021 18:52

the Victorian Gov is a disgrace, get yourself sorted and hire resources.

Coronavirus Australia live news: Swamped testing sites turn away thousands

COVID-19 testing sites across Melbourne closed within an hour of opening on Sunday, swamped by thousands of Victorians requiring tests after returning from NSW and further stressed by health staff taking holiday leave.

Despite the temporary closures and lack of staff, Victorian health authorities processed more tests than their NSW colleagues on Saturday — 22,477 samples compared to 18,923 — although that remains far short of the more than 40,000 daily tests undertaken at the height of the second coronavirus wave.

By 9.30am on Sunday, the Department of Health and Human Services listed drive-through sites in Darebin, Keysborough and West Footscray as “over capacity, no further accepted”. Cars were also turned away from the Melbourne Sports and Aquatic Centre in Albert Park, which was listed as a three-hour wait, and sites in Chadstone, St Albans and Broadmeadows had waiting times of more than two hours.
But Jeroen Weimar, who is co-ordinating Victoria’s COVID-19 response, defended the long waiting times for testing.

“There was a 35 per cent uplift in the total number of tests delivered in the south and southeastern suburbs yesterday compared to the day before so we are getting the numbers through,” he said. “Our frontline staff have been working phenomenally hard for that entire period and we have seen a significant number of people rightly take some well-*deserved leave as we see across the wider sector, so we have had to gear up and mobilise,” he said.

“The choice we faced before Christmas was, do you hold people over and not let them go on leave after absolutely flogging themselves for nine months (or) do you say, ‘no, you have to stand around the testing stations on the off chance’ … we took a view that we needed to have the right balance of resources.”

The DHHS has identified a number of new exposure sites, with the number of infections in the state reaching 50.

New locations on Sunday included Brighton Beach on December 29 between midday and 3pm, Angus and Cootes Jeweller at Southland Shopping Centre on December 28 between 2.30pm and 2.50pm and the Costco Moorabbin on December 30 between 4pm and 5.50pm.

Queensland Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said there would not be any border restriction on Melbourne or Victoria “at this stage”. “But we’re keeping a very, very close eye on that,” she said on Sunday, after Victoria reported three new local cases.

Another Melbourne location, Grape & Grain in Moorabbin, which had yet to appear in DHHS warnings, said it would remain closed after staff tested positive.

The DHHS plans to boost testing capacity by extending hours, recalling staff, bringing on board agency staff and opening more pop-up and drive-through sites.

The Victorian branch of the Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation posted a message on Facebook seeking “urgent support” from nurses and midwives to work in testing sites across the state on behalf of Torrens Health and the health department: “Shift lengths will vary from between six and 10 hours; travel and meal allowances are available in some circumstances.”

“I think 60,000 people made the right decision … to come back; I am confident the vast majority will follow through and say, right, I need to make sure I get tested because I don’t want to put myself at risk,” Mr Weimar said.

Sunfish 3rd Jan 2021 19:09

I’m sick of all this bull about trapped citizens both internationally and locally in NSW and elsewhere. These people have only themselves to blame unless they have suffered an accident rendering them unfit to travel when warnings were first given.

IF YOU TRAVEL ANYWHERE AT ALL, YOU SHOULD HAVE A ‘GET HOME’ PLAN!

In regard to Covid 19, blind freddy could tell you that there was a finite chance that Victorian and other borders would close sometime after a case was detected in NSW, but the stupid idiot Victorians still stupidly: (a) Had made plans to visit NSW, (b) Did not abandon said plans immediately the scale of the outbreak became apparent, (c) did not have either a plan or the brains to immediately get across the border once the speculation started!

FFS, I visited The Mornington Peninsula for a few days after Christmas but even for that trip, I told the wife “any hint of covid 19 in Melbourne and we are out of here right now” and back to our place in country Victoria. There is simply no excuse for not having a “bug out plan” right now. Our neighbours kids work in mines in Queensland. They were home for Christmas, then decided to go camping at New year and voila! They now will do 14 days quarantine on return to Queensland today. Other friends had booked a Noosa resort and until yesterday thought they could go today! How dumb do you have to be! Any travel away from your region is risky right now.

Internationally when travelling we always carry a few thousand US Dollars - enough to get us two tickets home or to a stable country in the event of a natural disaster or emergency of some kind. In some places you also need to keep your passport with you. Be aware that credit cards may not work in a disaster and there is no substitute for a handful or two of American dollars most places on the globe.

Double_Clutch 3rd Jan 2021 19:13

I’m so proud of you Sunfish

brokenagain 3rd Jan 2021 20:36

Youíre my hero Sunfish.

chookcooker 3rd Jan 2021 20:40

Youíd make a great pilot Sunfish


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