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Derfred 22nd Dec 2020 23:12


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 10952399)
CDC quarantine guidelines now suggest if no symptoms and have negative test on day 5, a 7 day isolation period is adequate (10 days if no symptoms and no test). At the very least, this should be a reduced requirement for border imposed isolation.

Ahh, but that's based on accepting a 90% containment of COVID, which they now deem acceptable, given the circumstances in the US.

If you want 100% containment, you still need 14 days, sorry. The incubation period of COVID hasn't changed.


blubak 23rd Dec 2020 07:28


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10952860)
Please tell the rest of us why that might be? Surely it wouldn't be because your esteemed leader refused to pull his weight with international arrivals during the initial stages of the pandemic - preferring to let other states carry the load, while at the same time, crowing about how good his measures have been? And surely that wouldn't be because he hasn't prepared said state for its' own COVID outbreak, instead preferring to whinge about how only "2,000 tests is four times the normal number and that's why people were turned away from getting tested" while NSW can successfully test over 44,000 people in one day!

Any turkey can close the borders and say "Look how good we have done!", that's not the real measure of success - particularly when you are not your own nation, but part of a federation of states. Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised - WA didn't even sign up to Federation when everyone else did, that came weeks later when they finally decided they should be part of Australia....

While I am rightly critical of the NSW Government on many levels, I would say they have been the most successful - and the most reasonable - in the entire thing. They have brought back more Australian's through Sydney since March than all the other states combined! They have done so, notwithstanding they have had several outbreaks and have only closed one border once and even then it took a serious outbreak to trigger that, and they have proven many times they can get on top of any outbreaks fairly rapidly. And even now when when dealing with their most significant outbreak in months, at a time when other states are shutting NSWelshmen out, they continue to bring significantly more Australian through Sydney than other states.

Nope, I wouldn't be proud to say I'm from Qld or WA when talking about a COVID response....

Over 20000 tests in vic yesterday,over 40000 in nsw,forget about the past,forget about who is red or blue,what is important now is how important the public consider doing the right thing is & these figures speak for themselves.
Lets enjoy xmas & just do the right thing,u may not like the government or the cho or the restrictions in place but like i have said before imagine living in europe right now,a relative who works in the medical system in the netherlands just told me today they have a government with no b..ls,people just go f u.

Trampdave 23rd Dec 2020 11:41


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10952830)
This state has not had a case of virus in-the-wild or Covid death in over 250 days.
The only restriction of which I know and with which I am required to comply (other than my federal government imposed, monkey's cage travel restrictions) is to leave my telephone number when visiting certain venues.

Now tell me again, why am I supposed to feel like a monkey in a cage?

Well congratulations. It almost seams like people have stopped dying alltogether in your state. 😉

if travel resteictions dont bother you, then u are obviously not in the aviation industry or happily retired and u dont give it a ... For the rest of us, its a huge deal, like not having a job since march for instance.
A huge cage is still a CAGE if u cannot leave it as u please!

Trampdave 23rd Dec 2020 11:51


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10952850)
Correct,ok there are some restrictions right now which are not perfect by any means but like i said previously look at europe.
I feel lucky to be in oz right now,it is not perfect but putting it in perspective where would you rather be?

Many people in totalitarian states feel lucky to be there as well, cause they dont realize how sick and f..ked up the whole thing is. 😉

Green.Dot 24th Dec 2020 01:02

Looks like ScoMo has had enough of open/shut borders...

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6218094040001

Ragnor 24th Dec 2020 02:43

I bet all those police will love being recalled from leave to do this.

KRviator 24th Dec 2020 06:28

And the NT has already revoked the Hotspot classification for the vast majority of Sydney! In place for 4 days and already reviewed and rescinded based on NSW's testing & handling of the outbreak.

Let's see how many months WA takes...I'm tipping a 1:1 ratio, 1 day NT:1 month WA. I might be able to get back to work by Easter...That'll be after the WA election too!

Acting Northern Territory Chief Minister Nicole Manison says the NT has revoked a "large majority" of the declared hotspots in Greater Sydney.

This means that Sydneysiders quarantining in the NT will be released this afternoon ó although anyone who has been to the northern beaches area will have to stay put.

"A number of suburbs that are already directly located around the outbreak will remain as hotspot areas," Ms Manison said. "What I can say is that the Greater Sydney area, including the Blue Mountains along with the Central Coast, will be removed effective immediately."

On Sunday, the NT declared Greater Sydney ó including the Blue Mountains, Illawarra and the Central Coast ó a coronavirus hotspot. The Northern Beaches local government area was declared a hotspot on Thursday last week.

Ms Manison said a full list of the remaining hotspot suburbs would be listed on the NT Government's coronavirus website shortly. She warned the Northern Territory would not hesitate to add more suburbs to the list if needed.

"Please know that if anything changes we will not hesitate to act quickly if we have to in the coming days," Ms Manison said. "The Territory has been the safest place in the country and that has been for good reason. "Every decision on every day for the last 10 months has always been about keeping Territorians safe and putting them first, and that is something that we will never change." Source

LapSap 25th Dec 2020 04:31

Not aviation related but Iím intrigued at the apparent softly softly approach to the superyacht that has turned up in Cairns with 14 pax (1 positive) and 6 crew.
No knowledge of international marine law but presumably, just like an international flight, you canít just rock up without prior notice to immigration authorities.
It seems the authorities are more worried about where the vessel has been than anything else.
Itís unclear what nationality any of them are but if any are non-Australian citizens, how can the operator of the vessel even consider setting sail for Australia with the current restrictions?

SOPS 25th Dec 2020 07:42


Originally Posted by LapSap (Post 10954191)
Not aviation related but Iím intrigued at the apparent softly softly approach to the superyacht that has turned up in Cairns with 14 pax (1 positive) and 6 crew.
No knowledge of international marine law but presumably, just like an international flight, you canít just rock up without prior notice to immigration authorities.
It seems the authorities are more worried about where the vessel has been than anything else.
Itís unclear what nationality any of them are but if any are non-Australian citizens, how can the operator of the vessel even consider setting sail for Australia with the current restrictions?

I was thinking the same thing!

KRviator 25th Dec 2020 08:10

It's Queen$$$$$land - where money talk$ and bull$hit walks. So long as they're bringing in more $$ to the state than your average Joe Citizen, you're welcome. Just ask Tom Hank$, or the AFL player$.


Allowing sporting codes and entertainment stars to enter Queensland from hotspot states and overseas brings "a lot of money into the state" and has flow-on health effects, according to Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young.

coaldemon 25th Dec 2020 08:17

Yachts are tracked inbound. What do you think the various surveillance and Satellite assets do all day. Friend of mine inbound from Vanuatu had to have a Txpdr onboard and give notice that they were intending to dock in Bundaberg 8 days out. Would be very surprised if this yacht was not tracked all the way.

currawong 25th Dec 2020 08:20


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10954221)
It's Queen$$$$$land - where money talk$ and bull$hit walks. So long as they're bringing in more $$ to the state than your average Joe Citizen, you're welcome. Just ask Tom Hank$, or the AFL player$.

Um. Yeah....

"Cricket Australia (CA) says the Indian touring party will quarantine in Sydney instead of Brisbane."

"When Queensland raised objections earlier this week, CA approached NSW."


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...sbane/12804356

Sunfish 29th Dec 2020 12:17

Close all international borders for the foreseeable future.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...train/13010534

Joker89 29th Dec 2020 15:30


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10956470)
Close all international borders for the foreseeable future.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...train/13010534

hyperbole but probably accurate. The fear of death from a respiratory illness didnít seem to matter when 2000 people were dying a month in Australia last year. Now itís probably close to zero.

Climb150 29th Dec 2020 17:46


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10956470)
Close all international borders for the foreseeable future.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...train/13010534

North Korea style. Just pray that China keeps buying timber and coal from us.

Let's do it.

SOPS 30th Dec 2020 08:15

Community outbreak just being reported in Victoria. Here we go again!!

Green.Dot 30th Dec 2020 08:28


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 10956919)
Community outbreak just being reported in Victoria. Here we go again!!

Standing by for McGowan announcement


highflyer40 30th Dec 2020 08:42


Originally Posted by coaldemon (Post 10954225)
Yachts are tracked inbound. What do you think the various surveillance and Satellite assets do all day. Friend of mine inbound from Vanuatu had to have a Txpdr onboard and give notice that they were intending to dock in Bundaberg 8 days out. Would be very surprised if this yacht was not tracked all the way.

They are not going to use valuable satellite time to keep track of all commercial and pleasure craft in Australian waters. The same for surveillance radar. No country has the ability to monitor ALL of its airspace along the coast let alone surface vessels where range would be severely limited. The Australian requirement is only for a maximum of 96 hours notice of entering waters. All you have to do is send an email to a specified address with your approximate arrival date and arrival port. You do not need to wait for approval or clearance. Proof you sent the email is good enough. Once in port you may not leave the boat until border security has cleared you though.

thisishardtochoose 30th Dec 2020 08:48


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 10956919)
Community outbreak just being reported in Victoria. Here we go again!!

All apparently linked to Sydney outbreak

SOPS 30th Dec 2020 08:55


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 10956925)
Standing by for McGowan announcement

Funny you should say that .. posted on the ABC, 20 minutes ago.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...cases/13022364


Updated to add.. just reported that an Emergency Meeting underway now in WA to consider a border shut down with Victoria.


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