Name that Flying Machine

[nvubu]

After the image of the Stanley 12-904 Bailey No. 4 9-3/4" Smooth Bench Plane - I'll start the thread.

https://jvtnea.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mngVogK9X_AYxN1ERCRPXLA16uKTYBMXDP61omBX8tQicXLIfclVu9OQWU UJXLIWwCTyH8xRi7zVWtP_1M0r1UVlbNxeXNim13Lcb6rs5uXsasMmMTqUp6 xzODU1RJ5f6w4pIrhBItDnT0yt2uFcaRyBId_mfVYaAcGyppcoOu6cMUngnQ PCl6uEfdTu47eY-FOBFzUxGmpaOcjA2O4rM3w?width=1024&height=307&cropmode=none

[dook]

A Rumpler model ?

Wait until SincoTC gets here - he'll bag them all !

[nvubu]

Interesting .... On further research (i.e. searching for Rumpler) my source documents are showing it having the has the same model name as a Rumpler, but the side on view is different and the manufacturer named is different. There are a few aircraft in my source documents that say "similar to Rumpler but...."

So not a Rumpler.

[dook]

Rumpler C-VIII maybe.

Posts crossed.

I don't think Rumplers had "names" - just a letter and number.

It might therefore be an AEG.

[nvubu]

Definitely not a Rumpler.
Manufacturer founded in 1911.

[nvubu]

Yes - Letter/number combination same as a Rumpler.

Not an AEG.

One of the founders of the company was the son of a famous inventor.

[dook]

Might well be an AGO.

[nvubu]

Yes - it is an AGO C.iv. When I looked up Rumpler, I found their C.iv - which threw me a bit.

I'd never heard of AGO until today, founder - Gustav Otto, son of Nikolaus Otto - the Otto engine.
Company closed by 1928, resurrected by the Nazis in 1933.

Your turn.

[dook]

I used to belong to another site doing this sort of thing. Must dig out the reference sites again.

This was your AGO....


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/736x305/ago_b061a2cb2a9e207b595fdc1a8ea0af2515c9accd.jpg

[dook]

Good day all.

There have been some strange things built in the past.

This is one of them.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/742x282/tuesday_292c353cfbc4ee8bf0222b846f8deb04fa84972a.jpg

[nvubu]

Rocket powered?

[dook]

Piston engine pusher prop.

"lifting body".

[dook]

Another view...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/650x313/view_2_70e1149a1d5342a285a6b413c29878f5513a544d.jpg

[nvubu]

Aereon 26....

[dook]

Thar ye go. :ok:

Aeron 26 it is.

May we have another.

[nvubu]

Thank you, and here's the next one.

https://jvtaea.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mzT9SKpOAAeeE_YfU1UcihZiuWyhITvBit5Bkuao6iEVvQaHBAHSxYKtmd 18BdM6mWzGHYZMx-ttxxKXYS96eQs2IxfM0pQExksjBYXpLuxSmGRpinUkUCJEI4FyHdvS9kfFjB 1xFzEsBoss0_5PBE6weTthDGzEnV5CraM7OwXMDmvZTfIdw3u9WGp5hLoMqD VeM14SQLHNcOORiAUSuFQ?width=1024&height=300&cropmode=none

[dook]

I thought it was a Sikorsky but it isn't.

Onwards wearing out my keyboard....

[nvubu]

You are correct, it isn't a Sikorsky.

[chevvron]

Piston engine pusher prop.

"lifting body".
And intended to be filled with helium I believe, so really a dirigible.

[dook]

Only a later enlarged model. That one wasn't.

[Haraka]

Blackburn Kangaroo

[nvubu]

Haraka has it with the Blackburn Kangaroo
https://ahupma.bn.files.1drv.com/y4maXHDuvAOQLTuu0exwaPu_ymz_Z1fGRQtRw9WYcBBCV7R6ExP4w_mv3E6-aeQb4X1cAfeuUVGjhI3Qc5x8HxiRgWpIBRaUFRRlRl37ym32IBqQg6Q-FiMT8W6vd9O86dm1iZe3pH16ESVIqZWOxmin-Ma4Mp3oEYacYe6u7i6c_nY-HJ_zCdvEC6NU6ZYOsF_it0ikrFYSgL9arFKYCFBTQ?width=660&height=184&cropmode=none

https://lxdhsa.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mEa_1r0fogtdMVSKb22tKzW7SooJtxU4wBuU7nwjXZvG0_Je1mdooOEiRp mqRs15pQGAoc2RstAWt7M232nUmeSq3BoqX9j1syz0S33E_VGnd3M7caLUvW bCciifbMq5fftap4jyB9BRgd0xeGp7qnqxz5JGngrGRf3i_u5tkNfdZCGj4G ihfWDxcKpwKA9bni1KWmQqIxt44JO4vzfoH4A?width=660&height=342&cropmode=none

Your turn now.

[Haraka]

Sorry guys, out of area for some weeks and also didn't realise the baton had to be passed. If somebody else could pick it up, I promise to rejoin with some rarities from my albums in due course
Haraka sincerely aplogises

[India Four Two]

Haraka,

No need for apologies. Here's a flying machine that I didn't know about until yesterday.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1501x1126/what_flying_machine_2019_10_22_837ff72e18932d8b942310e38ece5 2c8c493c026.jpg

[treadigraph]

Is that the little Mil helicopter from around 1990? MI-34 or something? Remember one at Farnborough.

[India Four Two]

Nyet, treaders! :)

[sycamore]

Looks like the offspring of a 3some ,Bell,Enstrom and Aerospatiale....Chinese...?

[Self loading bear]

A threesome?

[dook]

Need a clew India.

[India Four Two]

It certainly does have features reminiscent of all three manufacturers. The gear looks like it is off a Jet Ranger.

Not Chinese.

[India Four Two]

All right - a clue for dook. You can build one.

PS If you need a clew, go to a sailmaker. ;)

[dook]

No I can't - I don't know from whom to order it.

[dook]

When I looked earlier I was looking for skids and not wheels !

Is it a Hummingbird ?

[sycamore]

DOOK,yer go to the scrappers,and see what you can find,then rearrange into a `pleasing and functional manner`......you can see it`s really kid`s stuff....he drew a pic of a helo,then later said `Mummy and Daddy come and see wot I did....!!

[dook]

Look wot I found:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/532x400/hummingbird_27b11408c7f501e9bd3832403974798a4cad8961.jpg

[India Four Two]

Yes, the Hummingbird. All yours for about $200,000 and a few weekends in the garage! :E
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/840x568/15c02377_c6ed_42fd_92a9_9231fb2747bc_10dc767cc602ada8a116d8d faad96a1a7ae52481.jpeg

Hummingbird Helicopter (http://vertical-aviation.com/pricing/options)

dook has control.

[dook]

Thank you India.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x266/wed_8d0a49443186a18b8ec065ffe36e7db707dd1337.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Loening model 23
OH if correct

[dook]

Nicely done - the Loening Air Yacht.

OH

[nvubu]

Try this one

https://mpnl0g.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mIrcax3SY7ancXH3t1DWh2gmoXfp12qe99Z6qTYVSjCahp1Nwcvki2omoy xXWYjbkGnUTd08FJaEIzimo3A7q5VU47CS8VJgbbVcaErlg35TXfX3ViUiZt 3u56xjVaTZS9y0G9t8oOl5MsBFEAy7PIvUh9kSn3YYRGWvn7QO02fdenVkMj o7JlPTcik9FXv02rMiU5WZyKpWsOYezI2uRyw?width=907&height=653&cropmode=none

[oxenos]

Fairey flycatcher

[Zaxis]

Fairy Flycatcher on floats?

edit:
Ooops too late

this is interesting ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4PUQ1E9x6A

[nvubu]

No - it isn't a Fairey Flycatcher.

[dook]

Parnell Plover maybe.

[nvubu]

Ah ha, yes it is the Parnell Plover.

Over to you dook.

[dook]

Thanks nvubu.

I bit before yours...


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x357/thur_77cb9a8456d3e53a8c0b1e423aedff36cd556d46.jpg

[dook]

Someone has it already by e-mail.

[Self loading bear]

Farman built several look-a-likes?
could not locate this one with large engine and large skids

[dook]

It's not French.

[India Four Two]

Is it a Curtiss?

[dook]

Not a Curtiss but it was American.

First flight 1912. Design patented in 1910.

[Self loading bear]

Found colonel Peck
same double arched landing skids,
same layout
but a Radial engine

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x390/345e16ca_336d_45b9_af21_46c1030a17ee_34fd914293bf2327ecc028b 969de24cb7261d350.jpeg

[dook]

A good find Bear, but this was not by Peck.

[Self loading bear]

No,
I believe there is only one (this) flying machine from Peck.
And he was killed by the radial upon impact.
It I understand that there is no relationship to the challenge?

[dook]

No - the challenge is not by Peck.

[Self loading bear]

Boland biplane?

[dook]

Oh dear - not a Boland either.

I think another clue might be in order - Christmas is coming soon.

[Self loading bear]

Then it must be Baldwin’s Red Devil

[dook]

No - read the clue above carefully ……..:)

[dook]

December 25th.....

[Self loading bear]

Salvation
advent
santa Claus
i have no clue

[Self loading bear]

Christmas Aeroplane company
Red Bird II ?
no photo found

[dook]

No - it's the name of the designer ! :(

I think I should declare this and you will kick yourself...…….

[Self loading bear]

Wait till India is online again
Perhaps it is clear to him but I think you have reached a Jenkins level in cryptics.

[dook]

It isn't very cryptic at all.

The Christmas Pusher Biplane.

Open House.

[Self loading bear]

You could have told me that I had the right manufacturer!
But it seems that he indeed filed a patent for the invention of the ailerons.
Which led to a substantial claim.
Not clear if the Pusher biplane is the same as the Red Bird II

[dook]

They are not the same aeroplane.

[India Four Two]

Since it is Open House, what's this? These are screen shots from the Rotodyne documentary that I just posted. There's a view of a slotted wing and a silhouette. The fin and rudder shadow seems somewhat "Miles-like".

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1123x598/what_aircraft_1_2019_10_26_5df36f01844baf38a4bd3238f3b56fc92 ba01eaa.png

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1120x606/what_aircraft_2_2019_10_26_a3054b3f19a8fada7efddaee0fe159e14 28e6d53.png

[dook]

I did wonder when you mentioned slotted wing.

At first I thought they might be very crude vortex generators.

Do you know the answer or are you just trying to find out ?

edit: it looks as if it may have a radial engine.

[India Four Two]

No, I don’t know what it is. It’s beyond my TAP knowledge!

[dook]

Well, I certainly don't know.

Possibly French.

[Self loading bear]

Slotted wings (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading-edge_slot)

some text at the bottom:
example Lockheed Hudson. But the Hudson has slots in 2-2-1 line-up
not 1-3. Silhouet is also not right.

[chevvron]

Fairey Rotodyne.

[DaveReidUK]

Fairey Rotodyne

Ah, it's a photo of a Rotodyne, taken from another Rotodyne.

[treadigraph]

I think it's a Tipsy Trainer - G-AFWT seems to have the right combination of slots in the outer wings.

[chevvron]

Fairey Rotodyne with GAL Monospar ST 12.

[dook]

I'll vote for treadigraph.

The tipsy was prone to wing drop at the stall caused by reduced downwash at the tips due to its' pointed tips and no washout.

The slots reduced this tendency as did the later wing with washout.

I don't think the Monospar had wing slots.

Here's the Tipsy wing and the slots exactly match those in the unknown image by I42.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/459x384/tipsy_805035a06a7ab693ea070d9b552b22b9e43ad32f.jpg

Since I42 doesn't know either would anyone suggest what we do now ?

[DaveReidUK]

I think it's a Tipsy Trainer - G-AFWT seems to have the right combination of slots in the outer wings.

I agree - fits in with the Fairey connection.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/536x650/aircraft_20manufacturers_tipsy_1939_21878_4aaae5d0783dd21bf4 2661a11cfc47ebcf70e6fe.jpg

[DaveReidUK]

The camera ship was most likely this example:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/520x346/g_aisc_d7ef69c358d9890b654a0b35ca23a4a2ff8d1fc2.jpg

Owned by Fairey throughout the 1950s and used at White Waltham by their flying club.

https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/abpic-media-eu-production/pictures/full_size_0398/1599184-large.jpg

[India Four Two]

Thanks everyone. The PPRuNe experts have come to the rescue again!

Treaders was the first one to mention the Tipsy, so I propose he takes control.

[treadigraph]

Currently on the peri-track on Kenley Aerodrome and with an hour to walk home across here and another common before dark I propose open house!

[Haraka]

G-AISC was indeed owned by Fairey in the early 60's and also got taken over by Westlands funnily enough, being subsequently based at Compton Abbas in North Dorset with the Wagtail Flying Group which was very much Westland orientated., I got my hands on it a couple of times in the later 60's ( it was red then) including a fascinating dual session with ex Westland CTP Harald Penrose .

[creweite]

My favorite aicraft when I worked at Fairey, flew it to Belgium, the Netherlands and France. 85mph at about 3gph, very light on the controls. Nearly had a head on with HRH at WW as he flew in wrong direction at 1500ft while i was on approach returning from the IoW.!

[India Four Two]

Nearly had a head on with HRH at WW

You would have had a lot more than "five minutes of fame" if that had come to pass!

[treadigraph]

No open house takers? OK. Never heard of this but I bet someone will have it toot sweet...

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/504x398/quiz_a347d74aa36bcffb7fdd1992b75dde816eb707cc.jpg

[dook]

Have you really not heard of the ugly Great Lakes XSG ?

Fortunately there was only one built.

[Herod]

Nah. It's a Grumman Duck

[treadigraph]

I recently heard of the Kingsford-Smith P.L.7 Tanker and I resolved not to hear of ugly lash-ups again!

You have control...

[dook]

Cheers treadigraph.

That aeroplane features on several sites dedicated to somewhat ugly aeroplanes.

I'm not sure why Herod thought it was the Duck.

I wonder if many have heard of this one :


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x254/copy_09ee50865e23c3bb9158d6e77bc47a2e17d9961a.jpg

[India Four Two]

Nah. It's a Grumman Duck

... without a DA! :E

[sycamore]

Not only heard about it,flown it several times....conflict of interest...night ,night...

[India Four Two]

I recently heard of the Kingsford-Smith P.L.7 Tanker

I wish you hadn't mentioned that. Of course, I had to look it up and now I won't be able to forget it. I thought the Airtruk was ugly, but it's beautiful compared to the P.L.7! Even the Wikipedia page had the good graces to not include a picture!.

[treadigraph]

Funnily enough I42, I looked it up again and found reference to an item in Air Pictorial about the PL7; this mentions their correspondent N R Shennan who I believe might be my Uncle Noel - so a family member probably saw it in the flesh!

[MReyn24050]

Cheers treadigraph.

That aeroplane features on several sites dedicated to somewhat ugly aeroplanes.

I'm not sure why Herod thought it was the Duck.

I wonder if many have heard of this one :


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x254/copy_09ee50865e23c3bb9158d6e77bc47a2e17d9961a.jpg
Possibly the Dudley Watt D.W.2 however the wing tips in your image appear too square.

[dook]

Good afternoon M.

I am surprised that you have the wrong aeroplane.

Please monitor your PMs.

[dook]

This aeroplane is British and one survives.

It would seem that sycamore has flown it.

[treadigraph]

Parnall Elf?

[MReyn24050]

This aeroplane is British and one survives.

It would seem that sycamore has flown it.

Similar aircraft to the DW.2 the Parnell Elf perhaps

[dook]

A bit late on parade 24050.

treadigraph has it with the Parnall Elf.

Your thread.

[treadigraph]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/983x436/quiz2_8bae91332d4b79801d0a8c5087b76764355b37ef.jpg
Although this is a drawing, I believe three were built and flew...

[dook]

Trimotors are never that easy to find - lots of Fords and Fokkers.

American ?

[treadigraph]

American. A manufacturer I'd never heard of, type was killed off by the Depression. Has a police connection...

[DaveReidUK]

As in Kops ?

[dook]

A Palmer with Velie engines ?

[treadigraph]

As in Kops ?

Very warm!

[dook]

Keystone Patrician.

3 made.

Set a world load-carrying record in 1929.

[treadigraph]

You've got it, over to you...

[dook]

Apparently the load carried on the Keystone record flight comprised 33 girls, 2 pilots and a mechanic were carried to 10,200 ft in 25 minutes.

The mind boggles !

Stand by....

[dook]

Here we go then.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x324/copy_01ba6f14bd9bc8aaba2e606cfd67968f9456b5db.png

[Quemerford]

Rohrbach type?

[dook]

Correct :uhoh:

[Quemerford]

Wow. Which type?

[Quemerford]

Incidentally I did have something to post but can't find the photo: someone else?

[dook]

You haven't named the aeroplane yet.

[Quemerford]

Is it Colin?

[dook]

I'm afraid not.

[dook]

Only one was made......

[MReyn24050]

It is I believe the Rohrbach Ro V "Rocco"

[dook]

And your belief has not failed you.

Over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Here is the next
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x597/pprune_a950668ed21b032d8c50883197cf5e22429173a1.jpg

[dook]

Good afternoon MReyn.

It looks French but might it be British ?

I've looked at Austin but nothing fits.

Do I see forward stagger ?

I wonder if you have nicked this from AQ.

[MReyn24050]

Not French or British, no marked forward or rear stagger. Late 20s

[dook]

American then ?

[MReyn24050]

Nor American. European

[dook]

I've looked at Potez and France.

The five cylinder radial is getting to me - I think it may be a Walter.

Any point in going east of Germany ?

[MReyn24050]

No not east of east of Germany. Here is another shot:-
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x461/pprune_2_c96ce1b02344a8941ea6bcc8be1faf8023d4ace7.jpg

[dook]

Can you confirm the engine is a Walter NZ60.

I'm looking at Czechoslovakia because it's possibly an Avia.

[MReyn24050]

My information has it as a Siemens SH10

[dook]

Blimey - I thought that was a seven cylinder.

[MReyn24050]

From Wiki
The Siemens & Halske Sh 10 was developed and built by Berlin based Siemens & Halske in the 1920s, .The five-cylinder engine was developed in 1925 together with the seven- or nine-cylinder models Sh11 and Sh 12 .

[dook]

There is information on almost every Siemens engine except the 10. :mad:

The jury is out.

[SincoTC]

Good evening Gentlemen, I have a few minutes to spare at the Dog n Parrot (rain stopped walkies)! :)

Nice to see a familiar name posting a challenge! Hello MReyn24050, I can only find a very poor photo, but I'm encouraged to ask if it's the Akaflieg Hannover AFS 1 ??

[MReyn24050]

Hi Trevor. You have it. It was registered as D1739 the Baumer AFS1 also called Schnecke' Akaflieg Stuttgart

[DaveReidUK]

There is information on almost every Siemens engine except the 10. :mad:

The jury is out.

The jury has returned its verdict: 5-cylinder, 70 hp.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/484x115/siemens_halske_engines_b1053d3e3998a6e5533a56a78de2ae827ef13 efb.jpg

[India Four Two]

I echo SincoTC's comment. Welcome back, Mel.

[dook]

Lots of old hands here now (sic).

The thread is getting a bit like AQz.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks India Four Two

[SincoTC]

Thanks Mel, a good challenge!

Away from home at the moment and struggling to find something different :O I don't believe this one actually flew!

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1171x582/namethattc001_ea6940e93ef529043105b388bbc5d7b860ef4587.jpg

[dook]

I can well believe that !

At least I have a good site for it.

It was fortuitous when I said "old hands" above.

[dook]

www.exoticairplanes.com

Dring Insect Plane.

[wub]

Looks like two F117 prototypes have crashed head on

[treadigraph]

I think it collected the fence during an attempted take off.

[Self loading bear]

I would like to see more of this plane
I have no idea how it looks from the side.

[SincoTC]

Dring Insect Plane.

It is indeed the Dring Insect Plane, well found!

" The insect plane, which is really a flying motor car is being prepared for her trials in a clearing in the New Forest . Its inventor is Mr T A Dring , aged 78 , of Poulner , Hampshire . For 25 years he has studied the flight of hovering insects , and is convinced that ordinary aeroplanes are built on the wrong principles . His machine has two sets of rotor vanes , motor driven , each projecting a stream of compressed air under the fuselage . If his theory is correct , expansion of the streams will lift the insect plane . Photo shows the insect plane being prepared for her first flight . 30 April 1934"

However, I do agree with wub's comment that it looks like two F117 prototypes have crashed head on :D

dook has control :ok:

[dook]

I don't think there is a side view.

[dook]

Thanks TC.

The list of bookmarks on my drive is getting very large.

This one isn't so silly and there are a couple of players here who will get it quickly.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/628x450/wed_12ee5945f0421e17e8e5514a5f85338629b1af97.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Ah
From the great times that pilot was still an outdoor profession.
When the skies were clean and sex was dirty.

[SincoTC]

Hmm, a folding-wing biplane! Commercial?

Those engines look like Curtiss watercooled V8's, so probably from the USA?

I think I've seen it in the Fright Archives but no more time to look tonight and probably gonna be busy in the morning :*

[MReyn24050]

The Barnhart Twin 15 aka Wampus Kat. Is it not?

[SincoTC]

The Barnhart Twin 15 aka Wampus Kat. Is it not?

I'm sure you're correct there Mel, that's the one I remember in the FA,

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1922/1922%20-%200020.html (https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1922/1922%20-%200020.html?search=Wampus)

As dook said, not at all silly and even the quirky name is very appropriate for Halloween!! :D

[dook]

MReyn gets it with the Wampus Kat.

Over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Dook. Interesting challenge. Try this one
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x285/pprune_3_aaee5bf8fd26d19d13c5665995b254b19b30d085.jpg

[sycamore]

American ,1920s, powered by a Szekely SR-3 radial.....?//

[MReyn24050]

Not American and late 1920s.

[dook]

'artenoon MR.

German ?

[MReyn24050]

Good Afternoon Dook. Yes she was from Germany.

[dook]

'spose the engine was as well.

[dook]

I don't usually do very long shots but was it from Raab-Katzenstein ?

[MReyn24050]

The Engine was of Italian design but the aircraft was not from Raab-Katzenstein

[dook]

So was that engine an Anzani?

[MReyn24050]

It was an Anzani 3 cylinder engine.

[dook]

I'm trying to rationalise late 20's with an Anzani three cylinder.

[SincoTC]

Good afternoon Mel,

There seems to be some variations in the U/C struts and cross-axle, but I reckon it's a Gerner G.I

[dook]

Guess who also just got to airwar.ru. :mad:

[MReyn24050]

Well done Trevor it is indeed the Gerner G.I The G.I had a conventional undercarriage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_gear) with two mainwheels and a tailskid. Originally each wheel was mounted on a V-shaped pair of struts and a half axle attached to a central frame. This proved weak and the half axles were therefore replaced by a conventional solid axle. Both wheels and skid had rubber shock absorbers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_absorber).

[SincoTC]

Thanks Mel,

Sorry dook :)

Here's the next one to find!

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/975x389/namethattc002_78f2c59e0f5743c1c4a9068fbb9b5f196a515c17.jpg

[dook]

I think I know where to go for this one......

[dook]

……………….https://dauntless-software.com/AviaQuiz/medals/99.png https://dauntless-software.com/AviaQuiz/medals/9.png https://dauntless-software.com/AviaQuiz/medals/8.png https://dauntless-software.com/AviaQuiz/medals/7.png https://dauntless-software.com/AviaQuiz/medals/6.png https://dauntless-software.com/AviaQuiz/medals/5.png https://dauntless-software.com/AviaQuiz/medals/4.png https://dauntless-software.com/AviaQuiz/medals/2.png https://dauntless-software.com/AviaQuiz/medals/1.png

[SincoTC]

I didn't get it from AQ and it isn't listed on the current archive :)

It is on Wiki though!

[dook]

I know - I've been through it.

[dook]

It's on Their Flying Machines too.

Caproni 13. :)

[SincoTC]

It's on Their Flying Machines too.

Caproni 13. :)

That's the one mate, I was going to post the image from Reg Heath's Early Birds, but that shows it as a Parasol :confused:

You have control!!

[dook]

Cheeries TC.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/541x356/thursday_e997158676e67637a00aa3aa505c7583bda4074c.jpg

[SincoTC]

That has to be the Pensuti-Caproni Triplane !!

[dook]

Innit. :ok:

Back again to you.

[SincoTC]

I take it the rules of engagement allow three-views!

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/990x533/namethattc003_271f6431a45995059436e09337df7db4c34509c0.jpg

[Self loading bear]

I think that matches the Holland VIH 1?

[SincoTC]

Good evening SLB

I think that matches the Holland VIH 1?

I did wonder when you'd turn up :)

You think correctly, it is the Holland VIH 1, well done and control is yours :ok:

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Sinco
When searching for previous 3-cylinder radials i already had put this one aside for future posting.
Now this one
I put this photo aside as well but I could not trace it back nor do I know make or type number!
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/675x895/07c889a0_8414_4f91_a87a_6642ff879182_9dee32e8e1951b03d3b7305 21021f225210c5055.jpeg

[dook]

Good evening Bear.

Are you saying you do not know what your challenge is ?

Because it's a WACO XCG-3 glider.

[sycamore]

WACO CG-3A,glider....OH if correct..

[dook]

Catch up number 4. ^^^^^

[Self loading bear]

Dook,
I did an halfhearted try looking for 6 POP Glider but could not find it.
Apparently there are 3 more midgets under the bonnet.
But with 20/20 hindsight it is easy.
Over to you

[dook]

Thank you Bear. It was not difficult to find.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x366/thursday_75c99e23118738bcfb6f4cf2811abbf7ddb01088.jpg

[SincoTC]

Morning all,

I thought the night shift would have snapped this one up overnight as there's not that many US twin-boomers about!

Just off to see the medics, will see if it's still here when I get back mid-morning :)

[MReyn24050]

Morning. Sorry Trevor hope all goes well with the Quack. Dook's challenge is the McGaffet's Aviate.

[dook]

Good morning to you Mel

It is indeed the McGaffey Aviate, or AV8 after its' V8 car engine.

Over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Good Morning
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x266/pprune_4_c8ac23ed10559353fcd21b5e0450e14b0218c221.jpg
Dook Here is the next

[dook]

Possible He-70.

[MReyn24050]

Not the He-70

[dook]

Seversky ?

[MReyn24050]

You had the right country when you suggested the He -70

[SincoTC]

Afternoon Mel,

Morning. Sorry Trevor hope all goes well with the Quack. Dook's challenge is the McGaffet's Aviate.

No worries, good to keep things moving and I excuse the fat thumb on its maker!! :p

Is your latest a Möller Stomo 3V (1 or 3) ??

[MReyn24050]

The caption gives it as Moller Stromo 3. You have control.

[SincoTC]

Thank you Mel, a good challenge! Let's see how long this one lasts!
P.S. Ignore the apparent slight forward sweep as it was a fault in the drawing I found and they were though to be unswept :)

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/990x765/namethattc004_b7a5e5e1f13beaec862e5121da0796a3ad488264.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Interesting, engine would appear to be a four or six-cylinder, in-line, engine!

[SincoTC]

Good evening Mel,

Interesting, engine would appear to be a four or six-cylinder, in-line, engine!

This aircraft started life with a twin cylinder H/O engine, but you're correct in that the drawing shows it as later modified with an inline engine (four-cylinder inverted).

I should add that it also started off with an open cockpit which was changed at the same time for a closed cockpit :)

[PDR1]

Fairey Junior?

PDR

[SincoTC]

Good morning PDR,

Fairey Junior?

PDR

Sorry, it's not a Fairey Junior.

I can see the logic in your answer as the history of engine types does echo that of my challenge, but with different engine manufacturers and if you look at the drawings of the two you will see several differences, notably in the vertical location of the horizontal tail-plane and the shape of the rudder/rear fuselage, it is also considerably older than the Junior!

[chevvron]

Cassutt Racer?

[SincoTC]

Sorry chevvron, PDR's Junior was way too young, the Cassutt is even younger!

[dook]

Morning TC.

Are we looking at a racer circa 1930 possibly from Percival ?

[SincoTC]

Morning dook,

Not a Percival or a racer, it is described as a light sport type and from the mid-thirties

[dook]

How about the Trebucian Sport ?

[SincoTC]

How about the Trebucian Sport ?


How about it indeed, that is the one mate!! :D Jean Trébucien's Sport monoplane of 1935, the original 30 hp Poinsard was replaced with a 40 hp Train engine and an enclosed cockpit fitted.

Well found! You have control :ok:

[dook]

A sod was that !


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x296/ok_f4f198c77d15a3ea0031c29eb25cbfd56fdccc4f.jpg

[MReyn24050]

That will be the De Bruynee-Maas Ladybird

[dook]

It will be indeed - I'll take some time off from this thread.

All yours again :\

[MReyn24050]

Here is a nice easy one:-
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x317/pprune_5_653a9c3dd1665bc8d0a230f6e9e8419564b4548f.jpg

[SincoTC]

Hi Mel,

I believe that's the Dornier C3 ??

[MReyn24050]

HI Trevor. Not a C3!

[SincoTC]

Hi Mel,

In that case it's a C2, but I was confused by the history, probably wrong on airwar where the C2 is shown with the lower wing removed and vice versa!!

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/other1/doc3.html

"The first - Do.C3 took off on September 18, 1931.It was a double all-metal one and a half wing, equipped with a 1225-cylinder Hispano-Suiza 12Y engine with a capacity of 725 hp."

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/other1/doc2.html

"Following him immediately appeared two reconnaissance seaplane. The first - Do.C3 took off on September 18, 1931. The following year, the aircraft was converted into a high-wing - Do.C2 (or Do.C2A). In addition to the new wing, a Hispano-Suiza 12 Nbr engine with 740 hp was installed on it. and an additional fuel tank."

It looks like they've got the designations transposed as why would the C3 precede the C2 ? Should have checked Histaviation but that can be a real pain now! (and I don't mean because of my sodding hand which makes everything a pain) :mad:

Just looked at both versions of Histaviation (one totally broken and not listed on the other) Not shown on Luftarchiv and Wiki not much help either, merely redirecting to the Parasol Do.10 :ugh:

[MReyn24050]

Hi Trevor
My sincere apologies you were correct the first time. My German translation let me down
However I am not sure RU are entirely correct. The following is as I understand it.
The Do C 1,was launched on July 24, 1931, but on a flight, on July 25 1931 under the designation Do C2a,, built largely according to original design but
with two floats to provide a reconnaissance version. Due to extreme shape of the wing it did not meet the performance expected
Attempts were made to improve the insufficient climbing performance. This led to introduction of an additional small lower wing
It was given the designation Do C3a and made his maiden flight on the 18th
September 1931.

You have control.

[SincoTC]

Thanks Mel,

No apologies required, it seems the whole history of this development is a real can of worms and certainly makes my brain hurt.

I think that your understanding of it makes more sense to me, in that the C2a first flew as a Parasol on July 24, 1931 but was found to be deficient in its climbing performance and this led to the fitting of the additional small lower wing. Then this Sesqui-wing modification was given the designation Do C3a and made its maiden flight on September 18th, 1931. This seems more sensible than the Airwar's description that the C3 flew First as a one and a half wing first, but had its wings clipped the following year to make it a C2, but who knows!!

[SincoTC]

Here is my next!

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/990x281/namethattc005_ec25ebc583e90411b1d1830e7a886e04d24ac45b.jpg

[PDR1]

Looking at the warp in that wing I'd suggest it was built by Brewster...

PDR

[dook]

Sod it - I had that one (good old Breguets) ready to go.

[SincoTC]

Looking at the warp in that wing I'd suggest it was built by Brewster...

PDR

It certainly has a twist to it, not sure if it was twist-by-wire or if those tiny ailerons were a kind of servo tabs on a pioneering example of an aeroelastic wing. :hmm:

Nothing to do with Brewster though!

[SincoTC]

Sod it - I had that one (good old Breguets) ready to go.

Oh dear!! I also have to admit to using it before, but I didn't get it from Breguet's though!

[dook]

TC - PM for you.

Challenge is the Copetta El Burrito.

[SincoTC]

That's the one dook, You have control!

[dook]

I went and got a new one.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x367/copy_c4026ab0d6e49e9a8b4cb9f45658626b0aa2cc8b.jpg

[SincoTC]

Bummer, I had this one waiting on the apron too :{

Therefore, I'm off to the kitchen and leave it for someone else!

[bafanguy]

I'm uniquely unqualified to compete with the major players in this thread but the configuration of the cockpit windows caught my eye. So perhaps an early B247 ?

https://www.boeing.com/history/products/model-247-c-73.page

[dook]

It's not a Boeing.

[MReyn24050]

It is the Nakajima Ki-34 is it not?

[dook]

The Nakajima Ki-34 it is.

Over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Dook. Here is the next:-
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x482/pprune_7_2a7bddd319880eee7421e1b09de2de26b3b41644.jpg

[dook]

Look what I have found.

Unfortunately it doesn't tell me what it is. :mad:


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/578x400/still_dunno_9cbd25a7edfd2d8412e6f44cebe264f8b825029f.jpg

[MReyn24050]

It was British 1920s

[MReyn24050]

It was British 1920s

This aircraft was not a success. In fact it was a disaster.

[SincoTC]

Evening Mel,

It was British 1920s

Was this built for the Lympne trials or King's Cup races?

What engine did it have, that looks like a Lamblin radiator between the U/C legs?

[dook]

I think it is the Cooper side car monoplane


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/645x298/side_car_4180b2b59917b99bd48bd2460efce3e51b2a636f.jpg

[SincoTC]

I think you're right there dook :D, looking for a low-wing type, I passed over a photo of a Cooper monoplane because it looked like a mid-winger!! Now I see it has an enormously thick wing DOH!

[MReyn24050]

dook has it it is the Cooper-Travers Hawk Monoplane in which James Lindsay Travers OBE, FRAeS, ANICE was killed on the 14th Feb 1924 on his first attempt at a circuit.
You have Control dook.

[chevvron]

equipped with a 1225-cylinder Hispano-Suiza 12Y engine with a capacity of 725 hp."



Wow; kinda dwarfs the Merlin and Griffon V 12s..

[dook]

Next one :


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x163/tues_bd0b9cc22e750b9d8a2eec243e8bc043fe225f0d.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Espenlaub Motorsegler perhaps.

[dook]

There was I thinking it might be difficult to find !!

The Espenlaub E-11 it is.

Over to you. :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Thanks dook here is the next:-
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x142/pprune12_f80a88fe306c519c939802dd21e4a8f864b17651.jpg

[dook]

Looks like a motor glider again (with nobody flying it) !

[dook]

I've just realised I have seen it before somewhere, and I no longer think it's a powered glider.

[dook]

Sayers-Handley Page monoplane.

[Allan Lupton]

Sayers-Handley Page monoplane.
I think you're right.
How come you've become New Here on 1 post having joined two years ago and posted several times today, let alone the previous years?

[MReyn24050]

dook you have it. it is indeed the Handley Page-Sayers HP22 powered glider at the 1923 contest.

[dook]

I seem to be back.

[dook]

Gentlemen,

I shall be with you as soon as I have sufficient post approved.

I do not know what is going on.

[India Four Two]

See Self loading bear's comment about dook's absence on the What Cockpit thread.

[dook]

I am still hoping my post count will soon be sufficient.

[MReyn24050]

See Self loading bear's comment about dook's absence on the What Cockpit thread.
I guess we better call it open house