Name that Flying Machine

[welshwaffu]

'Sumin' fishy about this one:)

[Self loading bear]

'Sumin' fishy about this one:)

Definitely but not a red herring!

[meleagertoo]

The Phutney-Creech Land-Crab by any chance?

[Self loading bear]

I had to look that one up.
Not a land crab but you might say trailer trash.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/748x399/4c64522b_ce5b_4f1c_8ee9_6b7c08207142_fc3035ce6953e3d236288d0 35b49e0604e52e7cd.jpeg

[welshwaffu]

Just when you thought you had seen everything - "Spratt Control Wing" Flying boat! Not a looker but interesting control system.

Ha! you beat me to it SLB

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/548x281/controlwing2_4e77a41872050b86ac71a0b12f18c262c1eadcf1.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Welshwaffu,
you obviously new from your first post.
The Spratt control wing 107.

Take it away.

[welshwaffu]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/129x126/copy_9fce22fce8db37d166a5bc06668d5a600f07aaaa.jpg
Well this one is a bit fishy also.

[chevvron]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/129x126/copy_9fce22fce8db37d166a5bc06668d5a600f07aaaa.jpg
Well this one is a bit fishy also.
Convair F2Y Sea Dart

[welshwaffu]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x600/little_jet_co_sea_dart_76bb620851d0d4b191fca051fcc45c861120c 009.jpg
Well done Chevvron - we don't want fishy things hanging about too long. This is a scale flying model of the full size built by The Little Jet Co in the UK that a friend was tasked with designing the ski undercarriage. Its angle of attack varies as speed increases and as ballast water is jettisoned from the hull.

Over to you Chevvron.

[chevvron]

Open House declared.

[welshwaffu]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/84x69/copy_3__913d1008deffac9a677bd827404e0bf789804981.jpg

Here's another that's had a wallop with the ugly stick.:yuk:

[oxenos]

S.R. A/1 Jet flying boat fighter

[welshwaffu]

S.R. A/1 Jet flying boat fighter
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/594x321/saunders_roe_mv2_95eef062d7319860bf41464ccf71d702d500df05.jp g
Spot on Oxenos. It must have been very interesting working at Saunders-Roe, they seemed to do a lot of prototype work on all sorts of machinery. Anyone here worked for them?

Over to you Oxenos.

[dixi188]

Someone is going to get in trouble re. the 24 hour rule.

[oxenos]

Thank you. OH

[Self loading bear]

Is this too much clipped?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/426x151/162bedbe_6fcc_445b_864c_ab57541ed9e2_4acc05261dbfcc903c0a327 9562432720c4ef103.jpeg

[chevvron]

Fokker Mach Trainer.

[dduxbury310]

Obviously NOT "too much clipped"!

[Self loading bear]

I seem to have hit the sweet spot.
It is not Dutch.

[sycamore]

F-84 TTTThunderjet...?

[India Four Two]

Its angle of attack varies as speed increases and as ballast water is jettisoned from the hull.

​​​​​​​What could possibly go wrong?

[Asturias56]

Challenge looks Russian to me - something like a Yak-19?

[Self loading bear]

Not the Thunderjet and not Russian

[Noyade]

B-45?


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x756/scan1182_410a88b9270a2adb47ceedbe8325b72913e3d19a.jpg

[oxenos]

By Jove, I do believe he's got it.

[Pypard]

Here's my entry in the 'guess the aircraft part' competition. Is it cropped too much?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/270x209/xx2_dc2292e909cfb57ea682255abe99dd5ea4d393df.jpg

[Self loading bear]

For Pypard my next clipped clue to fill 24-hrs.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/489x243/d245e13e_132b_4db1_a701_0f3c7c281090_eb41dd56e4f10c55ede3379 4b7b75372b4947b3c.jpeg

[dixi188]

Here's my entry in the 'guess the aircraft part' competition. Is it cropped too much?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/270x209/xx2_dc2292e909cfb57ea682255abe99dd5ea4d393df.jpg
Don't know what it is, but the person who did the riveting should be ashamed of themselves.

[chevvron]

For Pypard my next clipped clue to fill 24-hrs.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/489x243/d245e13e_132b_4db1_a701_0f3c7c281090_eb41dd56e4f10c55ede3379 4b7b75372b4947b3c.jpeg
B45 Tornado again.

[Asturias56]

it has to be otherwise Bear would infringe the 24hr Rule he's just showing us some nice pictures

[Self loading bear]

Noyade hit it again with the B45 Tornado.

But I am most intrigued by Pypard’s contribution.

Perhaps Noyade is to?

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1183x634/5106aabc_c583_4b43_9a88_4e60009a2d17_f7bb2c2800d547a35d0395b 22337114e34e5c806.jpeg

[Noyade]

But I am most intrigued by Pypard’s contribution.
Perhaps Noyade is to?


Thanks Bear. I'm more than happy to continue on with Pypard's rivets, if he wants to. :ok:
But if not - Open House.

[Asturias56]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/245x173/2022_12_19_150218_507bebdeb0dc0a8a154b6d4992cfebbc1dcaf634.j pg

Try this -

[Noyade]

Fiat G.82.
:ok:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x1033/clipboard_67663c6abaf01810a146d05a428464016945873a.jpg

[Asturias56]

bloody hell!

[India Four Two]

With that water in the background, I was going for a flying-boat!

[Asturias56]

With that water in the background, I was going for a flying-boat!


You'll have to wait for the answer - I'm not waiting up until 01:33 Z even for Noyade.................

[Discorde]

Here's my entry in the 'guess the aircraft part' competition. Is it cropped too much?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/270x209/xx2_dc2292e909cfb57ea682255abe99dd5ea4d393df.jpg
I think it's the panel covering the hyperphase tertiary generator solenoid on the XJK-23-H (prototype amphibious version), built August 1949 at the manufacturer's Vladivostok plant.

[longer ron]

The picture taken at Lake Bracciano/Vigna di Valle (Italian Air Force Museum) - we visited there in 2017 - a really impressive collection in the really impressive old seaplane base.
Probably overall the best museum we ever visited :)
Here is a similar view out through one of the hangar doors.

https://i.imgur.com/YhZeZnn.jpg

[chevvron]

I think it's the panel covering the hyperphase tertiary generator solenoid
When I was gliding it was called the 'interblocater' for short.

[Self loading bear]

When I was gliding it was called the 'interblocater' for short.

You should then also remember that interblocator shields were round instead of rectangular,

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x1283/35836575_1325_47d8_9bd7_4cfc0a9a18a2_c1009eabfc0da9b29e9232f ee322098da3c67a74.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x683/fe140cb0_cbcc_4265_9d45_b7e2f91c68cb_cb4c5e22112d87ffd0bef61 0fe11b76e0dfa367d.jpeg

[Asturias56]

Yes - its the Fiat - hard to tell between the various types - one that had totally passed me by - over to Noyade!!

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x644/sdfdsfrge_402a05302f40427aeae73c716a92d64378b2606d.jpg



https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/263x192/dowweqewweq_cb4089017c9463699468dadd53832aee921e6a6b.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/312x161/gdfhdfhdfg__a8f8b7dafd54218a47f12e0158982e77d9789170.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/257x196/dfasdfajpg_458bc3d3778ae55908ecd37f139b33ca74184d61.jpg

[kenparry]

From the variety of fin shapes of varying size, it looks as though Fiat had a directional stability problem with that one!

[longer ron]

I posted the location of the photo too early last night LOL
It is a truly impressive museum - even the hangar doors seen in this pic are fascinating (mechanism)

Picture taken at Lake Bracciano/Vigna di Valle (Italian Air Force Museum) - we visited there in 2017 - a really impressive collection in the really impressive old seaplane base.
Probably overall the best museum we ever visited :)
Here is a similar view out through one of the hangar doors.

https://i.imgur.com/YhZeZnn.jpg

[Asturias56]

From the variety of fin shapes of varying size, it looks as though Fiat had a directional stability problem with that one!From Wiki

The Fiat G.80 was a military jet trainer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_trainer) developed in Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy) in the 1950s, and was that country's first true jet-powered aircraft. It was a conventional low-wing monoplane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoplane) with retractable tricycle undercarriage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricycle_gear) and engine air intakes on the fuselage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuselage) sides. The pilot and instructor sat in tandem under a long bubble canopy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_canopy).

Two G.80 prototypes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototype) were followed by three preproduction machines, but the Aeronautica Militare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeronautica_Militare) found it unsuitable for their requirements and did not purchase it in quantity. Undeterred, Fiat developed a more refined version, dubbed the G.82, for entry in a NATO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO) competition to select a standard jet trainer. Apart from many detail changes, the G.82 featured a longer fuselage, a Rolls-Royce Nene (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Nene) engine in place of the G.80's de Havilland Goblin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Goblin), and wingtip tanks.

Five aircraft were constructed, but when the competition was cancelled and the G.82 was not selected by either NATO or the Aeronautica Militare, the development programme was finally terminated. Plans for specialised versions including night fighter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_fighter), reconnaissance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance), and close-support (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_air_support) aircraft went unrealised, as did the G.84 that was to have been powered by an Allison J35 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_J35). The G.82s were used for a few years by the Aeronautica Militare's training school at Amendola (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendola) before being handed over to the Reparto Sperimentale Volo (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reparto_Sperimentale_Volo&action=edit&redlink=1) ("Department of Experimental Flight") in 1957.


G.80-1B - prototype (two built)
G.80-3B - pre-production version (three built)
G.81 - definitive production version of G.80 (not built, development cancelled in favour of G.82)
G.82 - prototypes for NATO competition (two built) and four production[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.80#cite_note-aeronautica.difesa.it-1)
G.84 - Allison J35 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_J35)-powered version (not built)

[Noyade]

Thanks A56!

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x653/russian_69d72911bb77d1c472d06de05664a8c7adc09060.png

[chevvron]

Hughes H1?

[Noyade]

No sorry, not from Hughes. WIKI says maximum speed was a pedestrian 230 mph.

[Asturias56]

look a bit like a Bristol mercury version to me - perhaps the Valmet Vihuri?

[Self loading bear]

Perhaps Fiat G49?

[Noyade]

Indeed it is Bear. :ok:
I thought I'd try the old "Double-Fiat" trick. Two Fiats in a row.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.49

Over to you.

[Self loading bear]

Ok thanks,
Now this one

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/610x434/fa751bb5_2ec1_4ef8_aa4b_188b6db1e429_6c69aadc65115faae50174d dc871a39b23f0d062.jpeg

[Asturias56]

Got this one but only because I've been grinding through dozens of planes for the Cockpit challenge - I'll leave it for someone else!!!

[Self loading bear]

Got this one but only because I've been grinding through dozens of planes for the Cockpit challenge - I'll leave it for someone else!!!

Yes you must also have seen this photo:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/611x415/5efddfcc_5c59_46f1_aecd_33cd8db3abb0_3a73ddc22e73dd84e0bf98a 5b55aea3dab260a4b.jpeg

[oxenos]

I thought the baggge handlers were on strike.

[meleagertoo]

The challenge aircraft is an Albatros L58, a contender for the 'most butt-ugly aircraft of all time' award.
What's the pic above related to?


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/622x238/screenshot_2022_12_23_at_23_12_04_27c7680f4ddf58027c73343ae9 a6de91241fceb2.png

[Self loading bear]

You are correct that the second photo is not related to the first.
My mistake

[meleagertoo]

Too busy with the goose to find a challenge.

Open house.

[Self loading bear]

I didn’t reply that your answer is correct
(still some time to go) but as you already announce open house. I suggest we promote the second photo to the now running challenge:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/611x415/1635e6b5_158b_4c15_88b6_9ac19636fec1_b2eedd4d2518c2cf0bfb836 b7bdf43c98a5df66a.jpeg

[Self loading bear]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/217x247/0016b871_7650_4e4a_aca4_adb18329b6f1_961c0c8f72d762d93b7c33d 472f0fd440ba97424.jpeg
Another clue

[Noyade]

Fokker C-14?

[Self loading bear]

Typo ???
the C-14 was a floater?

[Noyade]

Hi Bear.

Typo ???

Well, I didn't think so at the time. You would know more than me. In the smaller photo you posted above I was convinced I saw two military uniforms - and I presumed they were American.
So I started sifting through their "C" category (Cargo and Transport 1925-1962) section and this is what I found, which looked very similar to your machine in layout.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x396/scan1196_2a2470a5855a3b15588e385444f5e69aee7e0591.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x529/scan1197_bc76bf9a45b57c43b154679713d6cd766ccba827.jpg


the C-14 was a floater?

I don't know a great deal about the Dutch use of roman numerals in Fokker's nomenclature, but the Fokker C.XIV-W is certainly a floater.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_C.XIV

Possibly your larger photo is the civil Fokker F-14? No Tom Cruise though.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x412/scan1198_8182cfb0bf44a3c8e72a5aba109bd5216682e739.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Well the first photo certainly is an F-14.
And the other photo sprung up under F-14.
Never new It had a C-14 designation.

I believe Fokker in Europe used the Roman designation up to ww2. Fokker aircraft corporation always used numerical designations.
Lot’s of errors and misunderstandings are resulting!

It is all yours Noyade.

[Noyade]

Thanks Bear.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x299/scan1202_e5655a04f6022997e554f7ca64e222ff9e6f7367.jpg

[Noyade]

Australian two-seater. The passenger is enclosed forward of the pilot with observation windows. The designer soon after moved to England and helped set up a company building light cabin aircraft some of which were impressed into the RAF. After the war he purchased a surplus Halifax to return to Australia with his family and a number of British immigrants.

[India Four Two]

Via the Halifax clue, I’ve discovered Geoffrey Wickner, but have reached a dead end.

[Noyade]

That's the man.
Simon, try punching his name into the search field of this site...

https://aeropedia.com.au/

[Noyade]

Or better still - try "Wicko.''

:)

[treadigraph]

Or better still - try "Wicko.''

:)
ah... there exists a survivor, G-AFJB, apparently now owned in the Irish Republic...

[chevvron]

Name in my memory 'Foster-Wickner Wicko' aka 'Wicko Warferry'

[meleagertoo]

We're not looking at a Wicko/Warferry.
The challenge aircraft was the third built by the extraordianry Geoffrey Wickner (I have found no reference at all to the first)
It was a development of this little beauty (80Hp Anzani) with the wing position moved and a Cirrus engine fitted.
Wickner was a cousin of Edgar Percival, himself an Ozmate whose middle name was - guess what? Wickner! Wickner worked with Percival for some time in the war years I believe.
He died in 1990


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/327x480/screenshot_2022_12_30_at_14_14_02_ce94d0a2c823fcd71f86bf77ae 894fa3d5fde397.png

The challenge aircraft was the third built by the extraordianry Capt. Wickner (I have found no detail whatsoever on the first)
(Uh-oh! It seems Wickner was far more prolific that that! Probably two designs, one of them spectacularly successful, preceeded the one below, plus a series of gliders!)
It was apparently a development of this little beauty (80Hp Anzani) with the wing position moved and a Cirrus engine fitted.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/419x235/screenshot_2022_12_30_at_14_30_19_446f98c580eece3b62687ae649 058aa027861a65.png

[teusje]

Is it the Wicko Wizard?

[Noyade]

Is it the Wicko Wizard?

Done. I look forward to your challenge next year, teusje! :ok:

https://aeropedia.com.au/content/wicko-wizard/

[teusje]

Thank you, Noyade,
Let's try this one.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x290/p1_e6641a63c27ead2c28ab43f2ba5b7bbb6b450afe.jpg

[Asturias56]

Looks European to me?

[teusje]

It is European.

[sycamore]

Engine /prop appear to be Walther/Avia,either 4 or 6 cyl,so possibly Czech/Rom/Polish....

[BEagle]

French aeroplane powered by a Continental C90-14F with a ground adjustable 2-bladed fixed-pitch Ratier prop.

Only one was ever made.

[Noyade]

Legrand-Simon LS.60?

[teusje]

Although BEagle obviuously knew what is was, Noyade gave the correct answer, so you have the floor.

[Noyade]

Thanks teusje. BEagle certainly knew it and was first in line, so I'd like to hand control to him.

[BEagle]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/155x160/2_jan_2023_b72259a9aa20fd4b5485bec4d5526e97d97da5b3.jpg

Here you go!

[Noyade]

Tis a Gloster?


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x477/scan1213_c9badfc943ad9c2f31e2d8d2552e9050b9d7d141.jpg

[BEagle]

Yes, the 'Gormless' Gloster E1/44 'Ace'.....

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x474/e1_44_a539b8805be67144d90a2212a67d1ba1ea66c709.jpg

Noyade, all yours!

[Self loading bear]

Careful!
be aware of the 24 hour rule!
Let the challenge run for 24 hr before confirming any good answer.

We don’t want to loose another poster of good challenges.

[chevvron]

Tis a Gloster?


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x477/scan1213_c9badfc943ad9c2f31e2d8d2552e9050b9d7d141.jpg
'On 2 Nov 1950, the E. 1/44 prototype TX145 departed Farnborough on a local test flight. The pilot, Flt Lt Chris Capper, reported a flameout at 26,000ft, above cloud. Radar judged that the flight could not be safely guided back to Farnborough and directed Capper to an approach at nearby Gatwick. Breaking cloud at some 3,000ft, Capper was able to make a safe approach with undercarriage extended.'
(Credit : Peter Berry [Farnborough ATCO 1948 to 1955] extract from his writings)

[Noyade]

Thanks BEagle!


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x391/try_this_fd14d3838112b1adcb0f3543f26a3044927dc39c.jpg

[chevvron]

Pietenpol Aircamper?

[Noyade]

Pietenpol Aircamper?

No sir...

[Asturias56]

I'v e seen this one somewhere - i think its French or Italian?

[Noyade]

From the US.
Wiki says 7 built.
One machine (as above) was used by NACA for longitudinal stability tests.

[teusje]

Doyle O-2 Oriole

[Noyade]

Doyle O-2 Oriole

Well found teusje :ok:

[teusje]

Thank you Noyade.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/310x163/images_3857cf02262962a1982cef2f3227db3126aa7fd2.jpg

[BEagle]

"That's an ugly looking thing!"
"Repeat please?"

[Expatrick]

Definitely something Polish?

[treadigraph]

Definitely something Polish?
Agree, pretty certain it merited a mention in a very early Observers Book of Aircraft I acquired many years ago. Stuffed in the loft somewhere.

[teusje]

It is indeed Polish.

[Expatrick]

Without total conviction, I have to offer the PZL P.50 Jastrząb.

[Noyade]

Agree, pretty certain it merited a mention in a very early Observers Book of Aircraft I acquired many years ago. Stuffed in the loft somewhere.

Possibly the 1958 edition Treaders...


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/450x668/scan1218_24ee5bf7a295a0b0cac3db5bc2d0ce61cda23c08.jpg

[teusje]

Not the PZL P.50 Jastrząb.

[Expatrick]

Not the PZL P.50 Jastrząb.

I can see that now, I should have waited!

[treadigraph]

Possibly the 1958 edition Treaders...



You may very well be right! I used to scour the second hand book stalls at airshows and picked up a few old Observers for not a lot...

[meleagertoo]

It's a LWD/WSK Junak

[By George]

I have a 1961 Observer's World Aircraft Directory and it is indeed a LWD Junak 3 (page 327)

Described as a two-seat primary trainer used by the Polish Air Force.

[teusje]

Yes it's the LWD Junak 3, and it seems Noyade found it first, so over to you.

[Noyade]

Thanks teusje - but I'm gonna have to call open house.

[Self loading bear]

All contenders,
I am currently at post 900 (almost 100 challenges) to make an inventory of all challenges.
If you want to help please send a PM and I will share the excel file with you and we divide the work.

[BEagle]

Open House challenge:


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/361x244/quiz_jpg_913a38f7e9f4f7409a0e32c5f2e00ddd44c86445.jpg

[chevvron]

Looks just like a Canberra.

[BEagle]

It isn't a Canberra, sorry.....

[Noyade]

Nene powered Gloster Meteor F.4?

Sunday Edit:

flickr says F.4.
Wiki says F.8?


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x304/clipboard01_b76a51986286ba467fbe63d8c238ad7028ef237f.jpg

[teusje]

Tupolev Tu-12?

[BEagle]

Not a Tupolev Tu-12....

[Asturias56]

that picture from Noyade looks pretty convincing!

[safetypee]

But could there be a French connection ?

[BEagle]

There is no French connection.......

.......as far as I'm aware!

[safetypee]

French - I was influenced by the aircraft behind the Meteor in the link https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fc/28/a9/fc28a95ed8baadad6bc4ffd4cec4d6bb.jpg
but on reflection that could be the SB5.

Thus a Meteor RR Nene engine jet dflection test bed.

And a guess at F'boro airshow static display

[BEagle]

Normally one should wait 24 hrs before confirming the answer, but I will be away from my computer by then...

The aircraft in question is indeed RA490, a Meteor F Mk 4 test bed converted by Westlands, fitted with 2 x RR Nenes and deflection ducts. The aim of the conversion was to allow the aircraft to be used as a deflected jet experimental aeroplane; as the Nenes had to be positioned sufficiently far forward to allow the deflected thrust point to be reasonably close to the Centre of Mass, large nacelles were needed. The aircraft was also fitted with an F Mk 8 tail unit and additional vertical surfaces on the tailplane. It could be flown at speeds as low as 65 KIAS - presumably at a safe height as without a bang seat life would have been interesting with an engine failure!

The aircraft next to RA490 in safetypee's photo is indeed WG768, the Short SB5 in one of its many configurations. As it's in the low tail post-1954 configuration, I suspect that the photo could well have been taken at the 1955 Royal Aircraft Establishment's 50th anniversary at Farnborough.

Westlands used to have a site at RAF Merryfield (it's now an official gypsy site); nearby were a couple of tunnels under the concrete hardstanding with large 90° ducts at one end, venting to atmosphere at the other. As a small boy, once the RN's Sea Venoms had returned to Yeovilton and the aerodrome virtually abandoned, I explored the tunnels wondering what they'd been used for. Doubtless the def-jet Meteor was positioned over them to test the installation. Pictures exist of RA490 at what is clearly Merryfield (there's a particular type of tree in the background which I well remember!), but I think that the aircraft was flown to RAF Farnborough for trials work, also at RAE Bedford.

safetypee, you had the best answer, so over to you!

[chevvron]

Westlands used to have a site at RAF Merryfield (it's now an official gypsy site); nearby were a couple of tunnels under the concrete hardstanding with large 90° ducts at one end, venting to atmosphere at the other. As a small boy, once the RN's Sea Venoms had returned to Yeovilton and the aerodrome virtually abandoned, I explored the tunnels wondering what they'd been used for. Doubtless the def-jet Meteor was positioned over them to test the installation. Pictures exist of RA490 at what is clearly Merryfield (there's a particular type of tree in the background which I well remember!), but I think that the aircraft was flown to RAF Farnborough for trials work, also at RAE Bedford.

safetypee, you had the best answer, so over to you!
During the period some undergrowth at Farnborough was being cleared (c 1995 to 2001) next to the area known as 'the dump' where various aircraft were 'dismantled', some sort of deflector or attenuator was exposed buried in the ground; it appeared to exhaust downwards and the efflux came out from a sort of culvert below ground level a few feet away.

[safetypee]

With a 'tenuous' connection with the previous challenge.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/363x205/8df4f5f5_d660_4129_a74e_7ceb17d1f1b7_cf3401a071337682fdf96f8 622792da8f9603d2b.jpeg

[BEagle]

I'm hunting for the answer.....!!

[chevvron]

Well blow me!

[BEagle]

Min speed 28KIAS - max probably not a lot more!!!

[Noyade]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/450x688/scan1220_f57d410980c9c8db230eb1a5a98fa9933a26a9d7.jpg

[safetypee]

You blew that one away quite quickly; first to the post takes the next one.

A rare photo showing the airflow.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/data/attachments/192/192761-d69dbe8a0b25f39804aa4ceecb1945b6.jpg

[Noyade]

All contenders,
I am currently at post 900 (almost 100 challenges) to make an inventory of all challenges.
If you want to help please send a PM and I will share the excel file with you and we divide the work.

PM sent. :ok:
Cheers.

[Noyade]

G'day @ safetypee!

first to the post takes the next one.

There is a sorta 24 hr rule - which I've never fully grasped. But for me - it will be Open House.

[chevvron]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/450x688/scan1220_f57d410980c9c8db230eb1a5a98fa9933a26a9d7.jpg
I happened to visit Bedford one day in 1974 to see the H126 being driven past the end of the runway on a low loader on its way to a museum; don't know where it went.

[BEagle]

I believe the H.126 is now at the RAFM Cosford?

Another OH challenge:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/201x142/quiz_f067a801f33cdc4cf8aff06d1ab1e1f835b06e3b.jpg

[Beamr]

A Miles Mercury?


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1013x558/15_1_64dca820501d4a245d8a76e4f643aab32e06df96.jpg

[Asturias56]

Gawd! we're running hot on this thread!!!

[BEagle]

Not a Miles Mercury!

[Noyade]

A rare twin-finned Messenger?
The big reveal (when you show the full photo) will be interesting. :)

[chevvron]

Messenger had fixed u/c.

[BEagle]

Noyade is closest! In fact it was the prototype Messenger. It was subsequently fitted with a single fin and rudder, but that proved inadequate and the aircraft was refitted with the triple fin layout.

That photo is sometimes incorrectly captioned as a Mercury. However, the prototype was indeed converted from a Mercury.

Clever little STOL aeroplane, the Messenger - it had a 22KIAS stalling speed!

[Noyade]

Looking at Brown's Big Book on Miles Machines - if you cropped your challenge image from the HM583 photo seen above - then it's definitely a Miles M.28 Mk.II Mercury.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/691x315/capture_05969b78cd103898844c4bbf4e2ee0803893f9f1.png
It was U-0232 that was used for the prototype Messenger, not U-0237/HM583.....

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/743x311/u_ff5b1ade774abba80535026ded11dcdd6d53cfae.png

So I'm for giving the baton to Beamr :ok:
Cheers!

[Beamr]

Interesting caption from that book, I just had a vague idea I've seen that tail somewhere and stumbled on the picture trying to figure out what it was...

To keep things going here's the next one, though I reckon this'll be solved in a flash.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1080x1610/trythis_39b20f695ee19aa45da69ca2a6a07f6e4c000c37.jpg

[Beamr]

Apparently this takes a bit more time...
It runs a US made engine but otherwise is entirely designed in EU.

[Asturias56]

AFJT (Airbus Future Jet Trainer) aircraft??

[welshwaffu]

Is the 'original' large and hairy? :)

[Beamr]

AFJT (Airbus Future Jet Trainer) aircraft??

Sorry, no cigar yet, this thing has actually flown. Thought that is the pre-requisite for this thread?

Is the 'original' large and hairy? :)

Largeish, but not hairy per se...

[Asturias56]

the glassware is reminiscent of the AlphaJet or the YA10b or a Mirage 2000N

but that chine....................

[meleagertoo]

Is it French?

[Asturias56]

two separate SIDE OPENING canopies???

"It runs a US made engine but otherwise is entirely designed in EU." - so unlikely to be UK or France. Designed but not necessarily built in the EU - that takes out Switzerland, Russia, Turkey

most places design is really important -

[Beamr]

Not French.

The country in which this one off was built decided eventually to go for another bird of prey as their future trainer.

[Asturias56]

sounds liek the T-X programme

[Noyade]

The Polish EM-10 Bielik of 2003?

[Beamr]

The Polish EM-10 Bielik of 2003?
we have a winner!

Bielik, the white tail eagle in English. After trials it never really got on its wings so only one was built with General Electric CJ610-6 engine. Fast forward 15 years and Poland chose the South Korean KAI T-50 Golden Eagle as their future jet trainer. Not that the Bielik would've ever been a real contestor but at least that's what it was built for.

All yours Noyade!

[Noyade]

Thanks for that Beamr. I started googling 'new jet trainers' with various countries attached. I'm amazed what's out there that I've never seen before. There was a time when you could walk out of your local bookshop with the latest information on current military/civil aircraft - but those inexpensive books are gone, and so is the bookshop.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x433/scan1225_677ffd7b1d438b8f643ba301a0dc82bdb897a3df.jpg

[Asturias56]

Whatever you do don't Google "jack Here"!!!

[treadigraph]

I ain't going to say it's a ... ;)

[Noyade]

American.
Wiki says 12 built.

[treadigraph]

Well, seems to be a reluctance to answer this one so I'll aver it's a Boeing YL-15 Scout...

[Noyade]

Well done Treaders! :ok:
All yours.

[treadigraph]

Cheers Noyade, this was hithertoo unknown to me, tho apparently I've seen an earlier creation by the same designer.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x565/quiz_7c9979289174f506549edfd95c2731e5f780f973.jpg

[Asturias56]

I've seen this in a museum - the undercarriage is a real memory - so won't spoil the fun - but the designer was an interesting bloke.

[BEagle]

Looks like he's loving flying it!!

[treadigraph]

Looks like he's loving flying it!!

He most certainly is! He is indeed an interesting character and something of a trailblazer too.

[Noyade]

this was hithertoo unknown to me,


And me. Going with the 'Loving' clue I visited Aerofiles - but not only was this machine not described, not even his other designs are illustrated. But Googling Loving-wayne you do eventually find the Loving WR-3 (https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/loving-wr-3/nasm_A20200176000)

[treadigraph]

Well Asturias and BEags both hinted at it, but I guess Noyade is the winner!

Certainly a determined and interesting guy!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Vernon_Loving

The WR-3 is in the Smithsonian and I believe his WR-1 racer is in the EAA Museum at Oshkosh, so I presume I've seen that one, tho no recollection!

[Noyade]

Thanks Treaders!

Well Asturias and BEags both hinted at it

They certainly did - so I'm more than happy for either party to take control. :ok:
If not - I have something prepared.

[Asturias56]

Not me thanks!

[BEagle]

OK - here's one for you:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/376x153/quiz180123_d9d1c7c11e8cba516eb2fc580f8eda19604c697c.jpg

[Noyade]

Hawker Hotspur?

[BEagle]

24 hours now having elapsed since I posted the picture, I confirm that it is indeed of the Hawker Hotspur.

Noyade, all yours!

[Noyade]

Thanks Beagle.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x513/scan1229_3a256c24c2b5ffca2ac7025b8c84deadeacbd9ff.jpg

[Asturias56]

American?

[chevvron]

More likely Japanese with all those cylinders!

[India Four Two]

Are we looking at 12 cylinders or two exhaust valves per cylinder?

[Noyade]

American.
Simon - two exhaust outlets per cylinder.

[Asturias56]

Post 1945?

[Noyade]

First flight was 1930.
The cockpit is far back behind the wing which made landing very difficult - visually. Test pilots described the aircraft as a 'menace'.

[BEagle]

Quite a racy looking aeroplane, the Boeing XP-9 - but with atrocious handling characteristics!

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x365/xp_9_90d82517da4086f09ef874cc0e63cfd6d0e09cfc.jpg

[Noyade]

That's the one Beagle! :ok:
Back to you sir.

[Asturias56]

Quite a racy looking aeroplane, the Boeing XP-9 - but with atrocious handling characteristics!




Makes you wonder if the designer ever talked to a pilot before putting pen to paper.................

[BEagle]

Thanks - here's one for you:


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/227x170/quiz_566df92e1ba5728fd4824897b8c7e031c6e035ca.jpg

[India Four Two]

I’ve seen that style of Balkenkreuz before, but I can’t remember where!

[Buster11]

Cross possibly coloured green and used on Japanese aircraft carrying people involved in surrender talks.

[Asturias56]

Kyushu K11W Shiragiku (White Chrysanthemum) I think after that clue from Buster

[BEagle]

正解は白菊です (Which I'm assured means "Correct - it is a White Crysantheum" - but might just mean prawn tempura for all I know!)

Asturias56, you have the helm!

[Expatrick]

正解は白菊です (Which I'm assured means "Correct - it is a White Crysantheum" - but might just mean prawn tempura for all I know!)

Asturias56, you have the helm!

Incredible! How do you lot know all this stuff?

[treadigraph]

正解は白菊です

Think sone of the labels in my clothing bear similar symbols...

[BEagle]

Think sone of the labels in my clothing bear similar symbols...
That reminds me of the scene in Larry Crowne when Gugu Mbatha-Raw as Talia shows off her tattoo to Tom Hanks as Larry Crowne saying "I wanted something in Japanese so check this out. That one says courage, that one says spirit. Courageous spirit." - whereupon Tom replies " That's Chinese and it says soy sauce!".

[Asturias56]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/191x243/2023_01_11_085454_d4ec92247e9222547ce594bc2fff59a27f9a9fea.j pg
Doubt this will last very long..............

[BEagle]

Doubt this will last very long..............

He wrote, before darting for cover.....

[chevvron]

Boulton & Paul P111?

[India Four Two]

Hmm, doesn’t look much like this!


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1170x1066/d84b4a2f_f22e_4d86_972e_3ea00317b0cb_fe7899ba245675bf8e14a69 7bea9d0e80aa7ad46.jpeg

[Noyade]

Looks like half a Convair XF-92A?

[Asturias56]

Noyade has it with the experimental XF-92

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/539x294/2023_01_11_085709_e287d1091981908894165f440075b589af7c3923.j pg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/610x341/2023_01_11_085611_7bfe547416d85aaaea4794c1b2de94a06bb1d4f7.j pg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/509x588/2023_01_11_085342_031a79fb09a9924559d53dab8c7dee051134d86e.j pg

[Noyade]

Thanks A56!


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x472/scan1231_6035b2ca64b7fe4495f5e905276d038d08b956b5.jpg

[Asturias56]

well the hangar back right has "DO NOT A...." - probably Do Not attempt to land here"?

So English speaking country?

[BEagle]

Jeg tror ikke det er et engelsktalende land! Although most people who live there probably learn English.

[By George]

A Fokker C11 ?

[meleagertoo]

Marinens Flyvebaatfabrikk M.F.2

[BEagle]

Not an M.F.2!
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/295x171/mf2_599db1b7bf07f27ef812034c96810a635d80cee6.jpg

[welshwaffu]

https://encyclopedia.pub/media/common/202211/mceclip65-636878afca2f7.png
Naval Aircraft Factory TS -1 perhaps?

[BEagle]

welshwaffu, the aeroplane in your photo is a single seater, whereas the challenge is a 2 seat flotaplane!

[Herod]

Svenska Falken?

[BEagle]

Svenska Falken?

Of which only 2 were built, both of which had conventional wheeled undercarriages, not floats!

[BEagle]

Marinens Flyvebaatfabrikk M.F.10:


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/299x168/m_f_10_3ecda55b0c6b9d7a3fe083e5ba77ef83fc92dd83.jpg

[meleagertoo]

Picture I found had it labelled as an MF2! Grr, nothing like it in fact!

[Noyade]

well the hangar back right has "DO NOT A...." - probably Do Not attempt to land here"?

So English speaking country?

"Do Not Anchor." :)
Yes, American.
US Navy.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/276x308/scan1240_0466d3dfb90eb6a92d79001023382aaff43a9b9c.jpg

[Asturias56]

Hmm - cam, across a picture of something that looked very similar but had a large central float and 2 big outriggers.................... maybe by Vought?

[Noyade]

Not Vought.
Not a particularly well known American aircraft manufacturer - they were eventually absorbed by Keystone.
Power was a Lawrance J-1.
There was also a wheeled version...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x360/scan1244_8cc3839eda73e3808ea14e4cdde9346afb2862ce.jpg

[BEagle]

Huff-Daland HN2?

[Noyade]

Huff-Daland HN2?

Spot on BEagle. :ok:
Over to you!

[BEagle]

Thanks - that took a lot of delving!
Next one:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/219x282/quiz_0cc983db0d408eaad4ba8470048231d861409c7e.jpg

[sycamore]

Looks a bit `Rutan-ish`...?

[BEagle]

There's a reason for that!

[ea200]

From the wingtip and cowling I would have to go for the Pond Racer.

[India Four Two]

ea200 beat me to it, while I was downloading a photo!


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x567/5345eab7_b55a_41ec_b98b_f3fab72b05cb_e4656792ad51f7e6f0c2eb2 fcd17ffb47d17acdb.jpeg

[BEagle]

ea200, correct! It is indeed the Pond Racer which sadly crashed at Reno in Sep 1993, killing pilot Rick Brickert.

Quite some aircraft - max speed 348KIAS with a touchdown speed of 140KIAS!

Over to you, ea200!

[ea200]

Thanks BEagle and thanks sycamore for pointing me in the right direction.

Now this:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/829x609/aircraft0123d_8e02b81d57f01d6a3389f904e0409660696e95e9.jpg

[Asturias56]

hmmm - first thought was some variety of Auster but I have a sneaking feeling this is some sort of gyrocopter/helicopter.................. :bored:

[BEagle]

An aircraft with little wings....??

[ea200]

Not a gyrocopter or helicopter and it doesn't have little wings.

[longer ron]

hmmm - first thought was some variety of Auster but I have a sneaking feeling this is some sort of gyrocopter/helicopter.................. :bored:

Almost definitely an Auster or perhaps a Beagle/Auster (if you know what I mean) but which particular Mark/Type of Auster I would not like to even try :)

[ea200]

Almost definitely an Auster or perhaps a Beagle/Auster (if you know what I mean) but which particular Mark/Type of Auster I would not like to even try :)

I know exactly what you mean ;). There is a clue in the picture. When I used to fly one of these we didn't call it by its' proper name, we used a play on words.

[longer ron]

Beagle terrier VX123/ G - ARLP ;)

PS sorry - open house if correct :)

What was the clue and what was the nickname btw ?

rgds LR

[ea200]

Beagle terrier VX123/ G - ARLP ;)

PS sorry - open house if correct :)

What was the clue and what was the nickname btw ?

rgds LR

You are correct with Beagle Terrier and it is G-ARLP. The clue related to the point about which type of Auster it was. It was an AOP6 prior to conversion and you can see the observers' seat in the back. The nickname (due to the ground handling characteristics) was the 'Terroriser'. The only tailwheel aircraft I have come close to groundlooping.

longer ron has declared open house.

[India Four Two]

ea200, we have something in common. I nearly ground looped one as well!

Try this:

"Oh no, not the comfy chairs!"


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/485x348/wac20230203_952b8d23f2806267e94605849195711856340df3.jpeg

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Well with that step over the main spar I would be tempted to say that it is a Vickers Viking but the window should be square so unless it is some sort of one off VIP conversion I know not.......

[India Four Two]

Nice try OO, but this aircraft is a bit newer than the Viking and its windows are definitely not square:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/293x193/wac20230203_2_755e7b689ff6a8e6780d6f7fdbfd7198bd5976d7.jpeg

[longer ron]

You are correct with Beagle Terrier and it is G-ARLP. The clue related to the point about which type of Auster it was. It was an AOP6 prior to conversion and you can see the observers' seat in the back. The nickname (due to the ground handling characteristics) was the 'Terroriser'. The only tailwheel aircraft I have come close to groundlooping.

longer ron has declared open house.

Thanks ea200 - in my youth I had a couple of trips in a Beagle 'Terroriser' (Sibson ?) and an Auster 'Autocart' (Crowland),later in life a trip in an Auster Mk5 at Old Sarum.Last sept we had a guided tour round Eggesford - very interesting :)

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Ah so it's a turbo twin - no step over spar but that area is an emergency over wing exit... I think I'll sleep on it !

Eureka didn't get as far as the bathroom .....A last throw of the dice nagging in the grey matter four engines Potez 840 ?

[India Four Two]

I see you've corrected your dyslexical brainstorm! ;)

The curtain is slowly raised:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/652x578/screenshot_2023_02_03_at_10_49_17_8e01ba7659219f75c3b1c3bff8 751b68732119c9.png

More after the mandatory 24 hours has elapsed.

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Yes it was a Drainstorm.

[India Four Two]

While we are waiting for the clock, I wonder what those cylindrical "bombs" are under the cowlings of the Aztazous. Presumably oil coolers, but I wonder why they weren't incorporated into the nacelles. Anyone know?

I don't see them on this installation:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1154x560/screenshot_2023_02_03_at_18_55_31_8831d4687cd7af57f404fd8f54 2d7907c4dc5934.png

[BEagle]

C'est le Potez 840, je crois?

[India Four Two]

BEagle, you're Number 2 downwind, mon ami.

OUAQUKGF Ops is on final.

[India Four Two]

Time's up. OUAQUKGF Ops was correct with his pre-bedtime brainstorm - the 1961 Potez 840:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x681/25_potez_842_b8a142879dfe85b28940611f7cbd382e99afc5d2.jpg

Only eight built - one fuselage on a farm in Shetland!

Triangular windows - did the Caravelle designer have a hand in this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potez_840

Reminiscent of a four-engined Jetstream:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x420/121518_800_3341ec168c19042ec56de62e4a2a7392bedf14b6.jpg

I wonder if it would have been successful if suitable engines for a twin had been available? Four engines for an 18-seater must have made for expensive operating costs.

OUAQUKGF Ops has control.

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Thanks India I can't help you on matters technical - I can barely check the oil level in my motor without recourse to the manual which seems to be full of hazard warnings in 15 languages.... However here is an image and let's hope someone can confirm that they are oil coolers adanglin' there..... or are they something air-driven?

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/730x495/r_027eaf5e86323b270803bb135e3efa3fc4a44fd3.jpg

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Now what have we here?


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/537x213/quiz_one_bing_2__1b6282b64450511cd143523aafd58fb56878dee7.pn g

[Noyade]

Halton H.A.C.I Mayfly?

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/936x556/screenshot_2023_02_03_at_10_09_03_halton_mayfly1_bing_1a964f eacfb8353f6f09153aa6b447ff5e7dfa08.png

There will now be a long intermission................................................ ............................................................ ................

[India Four Two]

While we are waiting, I would like to say that is a very odd design of the interplane struts.

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

I don't believe this 'Mystery Aeroplane' has appeared on the quiz before - I did check it out before posting. Mr Latimer-Needham has noted your remarks India he is not best pleased but nevertheless:


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/949x555/screenshot_2023_02_04_at_12_02_16_halton_hac_11_minus_bing_i mages_7e611a3918341ade1fa372c103a07dfe4f5f4455.png

[sycamore]

I42,,if you consider that the wing lengths and chords are different,then it was probably the only solution to torsional stiffness of both wings...

[old,not bold]

This thread is normally well about my limited knowledge, although I enjoy following it.

But there seems to have been 2 G-EBOOs, looking at this Wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halton_Mayfly ), and OUAQUKGF Ops (https://www.pprune.org/members/240330-ouaqukgf-ops)'s picture..

Am I missing something....(apart from hair, teeth, cognitive function etc etc)?

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

The 'Mystery Aeroplane' was built as a two seater first flown 31.1.27. Later converted to a single seater ( CofA issued 13.5.27.) and finally converted for a second time to the state we see above and racing in that configuration from 7 July 1928 onwards.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1046x416/screenshot_2023_02_04_at_16_32_47_halton_mayfly_aeroplane_bi ng_images_4e3ccb53f53856478bd6a878bb893fddf15033ba.png

First State.....

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

It's all yours Noyade... Halton HAC 1 Mayfly it is !

[Noyade]

Thanks O-Ops!

Another lightweight....


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x425/scan1247_6621b21ccb0006b57aacc672d89aba0ac0fcaaf6.jpg

[Noyade]

Registered as a "research and development" project this machine flew in the late '50s to investigate the possibility of being amateur built for less than $500. In the end the designer/builder came to the conclusion it was "impractical for safe operation by amateur pilots." Many engines were trialed - from 2.5 hp to 25hp.
The designer built quite a few different aircraft and styles - two of his aircraft were at various times called the "World's Smallest."

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The designer built quite a few different aircraft and styles - two of his aircraft were at various times called the "World's Smallest."

Presume either Ray Stits or Robert Starr?

[meleagertoo]

Stits SA8 Skeeto.
Apparently flew on just 4Hp!

[Noyade]

Well found Mel - the Skeeto it is! :ok:
Over to you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stits_SA-8_Skeeto

[Herod]

Love the service ceiling quoted in Wiki. Only certified to 50'. Is that survivable-fall height?

[oxenos]

Many years ago, Roger Bacon, in Flight magazine told of an aircraft with a 50 horsepower engine which could carry a 10,000 lb bomb 1000 miles. 999 miles of that being the take off run.