Name that Flying Machine

[longer ron]

My other half is very cross with you Dook - she spent a couple of hours this morning trying to ID this cute little aeroplane,and now she has to go shopping in the rain (she shoulda gone earlier when it was dry :) )

Anyway just to add to my earlier post - there is a nice pic of the designer here ....

Abandoned & Little-Known Airfields: Northeastern Nebraska (http://www.airfields-freeman.com/NE/Airfields_NE_NE.htm)

https://i.imgur.com/MmXEG1u.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/Pio8et8.jpg

[dook]

Nice shooting longer ron.

Apologies to your 'uvver 'aff.

Your thread.

[longer ron]

Sorry guys it will have to be OH.

[PDR1]

May I offer this one:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/123x281/clip1_161e1fe6e28b21713c3b0671b1918b255664d454.jpg

PDR

[MReyn24050]

Hawker F.20/27 perhaps.

[PDR1]

Hawker F.20/27 perhaps.

I'd hoped it would be harder that that, but you got it right - the Hawker F20/27 which was the Jupiter-powered precursor to the Fury family
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/660x371/clip2_c07aa139431109b5124a08fe50e4eb6be1c92817.jpg

As it happens I have an original print of this photo which I rescued when BAe Kingston closed its technical library in 1991.

MReyn24050 has the batton...

PDR

[MReyn24050]

Thanks PDR1, I found an almost identical.photograph in Francis K Mason's book Hawker Aircraft since 1920.
Here is the next;-

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x272/pprune32_90b045d8627fe3c92f1bf6456ca672e55c74fd83.jpg

[Auxtank]

Mercedes-Benz powered?


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x247/mercedes_explains_meaning_of_three_pointed_star_logo_video_3 9907_7_23f70c9551f992c3caf38f22c2c7ee899c5f56b2.png

[MReyn24050]

Not powered by a Mercedes-Benz.

[Auxtank]

Are you sure about that - because that is a very obvious Mercedes-Benz - or Daimler-Benz three pointer on the tail...complete with shadowing in the right place, etc...

Auxtank is always prepared to be proved wrong...:)

Was this like - a one off? Noted; the lack of a King Post - did the aircraft fold up on the first flight and was never seen flying again?

Would anyone have heard of this - if they hadn't read a particular book - of which only 200 copies were printed?

[dook]

I agree.

May this be found on the web ?

If not, most people have no chance.

[MReyn24050]

I agree.

May this be found on the web ?

If not, most people have no chance.
There are photograph of this aircraft on the web not necessarily exactly as published above but certainty in the role depicted.. It certainly didn't fold up on it's first flight in fact it broke a few records in it's time.

[MReyn24050]

Mercedes-Benz powered?


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x247/mercedes_explains_meaning_of_three_pointed_star_logo_video_3 9907_7_23f70c9551f992c3caf38f22c2c7ee899c5f56b2.png
I owe you an apology whilst I said that the engine was not a Mercedes-Benz there is a link as I am sure you know:-
The Mercedes-Benz brand was born under a lucky star: the current trademark comprising a three-pointed star in a laurel wreath was created in 1925 – in time for the merger between Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft (DMG) and Benz & Cie., which together became Daimler-Benz AG, in summer 1926.
A Daimler link.
Please accept my apologies.

[dook]

Prolly a German floatplane then ?

[MReyn24050]

Prolly a German floatplane then ?

You may well be correct. I am surprised you haven't identified it as appeared in "What silhouette" several years ago

[dook]

I can't remember that far back. :uhoh:

[dook]

Is it the Daimler Klemm L15 ?

[MReyn24050]

Is it the Daimler Klemm L15 ?

Wait Our..

[Auxtank]

I owe you an apology whilst I said that the engine was not a Mercedes-Benz there is a link as I am sure you know:-
The Mercedes-Benz brand was born under a lucky star: the current trademark comprising a three-pointed star in a laurel wreath was created in 1925 – in time for the merger between Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft (DMG) and Benz & Cie., which together became Daimler-Benz AG, in summer 1926.
A Daimler link.
Please accept my apologies.

Of course.
Although you're almost right.
The star was born in 1909 when Daimler’s sons Paul and Adolf recalled an 1872 picture postcard sent by their father to their mother with a three-pointed star marking the location of his house in Germany with the explanation that one day the star would shine over his factory and bring prosperity. DMG took the star as the company’s logo, trademarking three- and four-pointed stars but only using the three-pointed one; to depict Daimler's involvement in providing engines for Land, Sea and Air. The logo began with a blue color but was changed to its signature silver after its involvement in the first Grand Prix at the Nürburgring in 1934.

[MReyn24050]

Is it the Daimler Klemm L15 ?

Yes the aircraft was the Daimler-Klemm L15W. You have control. More information on the aircraft here:-

https://hannsklemm.wordpress.com/modelle-2/l15/

[dook]

You had me thinking twice about the answer when you said wait.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x372/up_f2838df8e53067b29f9e4a2e8b07489a20dfbec8.jpg

[fauteuil volant]

Bourgois-Sénemaud AT40 of 1929

[dook]

Good shooting fauteuil volant - the Bourgois-Sénemaud AT40 it is.

Your stage.

[fauteuil volant]

Thank you, dook. Here's a bit of an oddity.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/260x309/rotate_copy_91d61ef0dfd5bd764106e3e35fa9d06c0f0caff9.jpg

[dook]

There are lots of aircraft there - which one ?

[MReyn24050]

There are lots of aircraft there - which one ?
As you say dook, too much information. However the aircraft in question I guess is the one with the elongated fin, which has been used on another aviation quiz website. No not AQ.

[sablatnic]

There are lots of aircraft there - which one ?

The one with the elevator on top of the fin - and I can't remember its name!

[fauteuil volant]

I apologise for, unintentionally, providing an album of images rather than the individual image intended. I've now edited my post by uploading that image directly to this site rather than using a photo hosting site. I have to assume that the manner in which I've posted individual images on other sites, using a photo hosting site, doesn't work on this site (or, if it does, I haven't worked out how it's done). Anyhow, if what I've posted doesn't permit an identification, let me know and I'll post more of it.

[dook]

"The one with the elevator on top of the fin"

I would like to know how that works. It looks more like a split airbrake.

edit: is this aircraft French.

[fauteuil volant]

It's hard to tell you how it works without telling you what it is - and I'm not brave enough to flout the 24 hour rule!

[dook]

Sorry - that was aimed at sablatnic not you.

Would you please check my edit above ^^^^

[fauteuil volant]

The answer to your question, dook, is yes.

[dook]

Merci Monsieur.

In over 20 years of teaching aerodynamics I have never seen anything like that.

Was it a glider ?

[dook]

To me it looks like a split/clamshell airbrake but I can find nothing on the web.

[fauteuil volant]

Was it a glider ?

No, dook, it was powered a 38 hp flat twin.

[dook]

Possibly an ultralight ?

[fauteuil volant]

I suspect that it would be if it was flying today - although I haven't found a reference to its auw - but the concept was barely recognised during its short existence, which terminated during the last war.

[dook]

dook is entering the hold. :uhoh:

[dook]

Leaving the hold.

BOUFFORT-LANTRES Monoplane

[fauteuil volant]

Ah, but there was more than one of them! Thus a little more precision, please, as to the type designation of that in the image posted.

[Auxtank]

Looks like a BL.10 to me by Gerard Lantrés.

[dook]

BL10.

Robbed !

[Auxtank]

BL10.

Robbed !

Almost right, I'd say; Mugged ! :cool:

Interesting craft - ALL wooden, no canvas. Only 2.4M long. Must have flown like a house brick.

[Auxtank]

Ah, but there was more than one of them! Thus a little more precision, please, as to the type designation of that in the image posted.

Precision done, and 24 HRS passed - can you declare the winner please...

[fauteuil volant]

Gentlemen, you must decide amongst yourselves who is the winner. The identity of the machine in my image is the Bouffort et Lantrès BL.10, which employed the Elytroplan design of the Vicomte Charles de Rougé. For those who read French, you'll find more about it at Charles de Rougé et les Elytroplans (http://aviation-ancienne.forumactif.com/t7239-charles-de-rouge-et-les-elytroplans), where there is also an article which describes the flight principles of the Elytroplan. For my part, I doubt that I'll have any further involvement with this thread. Sadly the moderation is too heavy handed for my taste. But I wish you good sport in the future. Au revoir.

[Auxtank]

Fly this...and stay fashionable...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/415x579/sgkks551_fc07c700695a71b08a8150af67be6c466d4f35eb.png

[Self loading bear]

The exact type number will be difficult!

[Auxtank]

Bear - I'll accept the Country, designer name and what was the massive achievement he created in terms of the aircraft pictured.

[Self loading bear]

Pourquoi, mon amis?

(I didn't say it would be easy - look at what you're looking at)
Easy to take a rocket in to the stratosphere at 15,000 FPM - the rest of us have had to make do with other craft...

Perhaps because you beat Dook in the last round by naming the model number?

By the way, I think you should insist on 2 Countries to be mentioned.

[Auxtank]

I will accept Country of origin, Designer and mechanical concept that revolutionised FLIGHT.

[Auxtank]

I will accept Country of origin, Designer and mechanical concept that revolutionised FLIGHT.

But for now; Auxtank retires for the night.
Sleep on it chaps - we'll hear ourselves again in't morning.

[MReyn24050]

Possibly the Pescara Model 3 which was the first of several coaxial helicopter designs by Raúl Pateras Pescara (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%BAl_Pateras_Pescara) to demonstrate sustained controlled helicopter flight

[dook]

Was it not first helicopter to demonstrate sustained flight using cyclic pitch control ?

[Auxtank]

Good shot MReyn,
You got it. Argentinian Marquis de Pateras Pescara produced several Helicopters - this one being Model 3 - that had the contra-rotating 'biplane' rotors.

Honourable mention to dook who nailed the fact that this was the first to successfully demonstrate true cyclic pitch control.

Note the Batman wings over the cockpit to prevent rotor ingress to pilot head in the event of break up.
Bloody brave souls.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1199x728/dfdgqj11112_e172df0cf011b68afaa6cfe5550d4d0b0b29fd2e.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thank you Auxrank. Tracking on that beast would have been a nightmare. Not like the simple days tracking the main rotor on the Bell 47, i.e. broom stick rubber pad and china-graph pencil.

Here is the next:-

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x376/pprune33_0b71508945f8962320da4b4bfc796d2485ddab2d.jpg
.

[Auxtank]

Is it just the photo or are those some odd wing tips there?
Fuel tanks?

[MReyn24050]

Is it just the photo or are those some odd wing tips there?
Fuel tanks?
They are reported to be tip tanks.

[sycamore]

They look like c310 tip tanks...is it an early 152/172...?

[MReyn24050]

They look like c310 tip tanks...is it an early 152/172...?
Sorry for the delay no not an early 152/172

[dook]

American ?

[MReyn24050]

American ?
Not from the USA

[JENKINS]

Partenavia, Pachiro perhaps?

[MReyn24050]

Partenavia, Pachiro perhaps?
Not from Partenavia either.

[MReyn24050]

Time for a clue I believe first flight early 1970s in reply to dook's question 2is it american" my reply was that it was not from the United States of America.

[dook]

I am getting nowhere with this one.

Eastern European or even South African ?

[MReyn24050]

I am getting nowhere with this one.

Eastern European or even South African ?

Neither of those try South America.

[dook]

Alaire AL-1 Cacique

[MReyn24050]

Alaire AL-1 Cacique

You have it. It is the prototype Turbay T-11. In the 1960s, Alfredo Turbay designed (https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alfredo_Turbay&action=edit&redlink=1) an airplane that he called the T-11. Based on this design, he and Erwin Mai from Alaire SCA developed the T-11 further to the Alaire AL.1 Cacique


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x259/turbay_t_11_cavique_6b02fa3709d876a054bfad1b80ee1dfc7289b671 .jpg

You have control.
.

[dook]

Ta muchly MR.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x331/wed_4b96554b1ac4b6f6e45ad807929de0b61df109d3.jpg

[Quemerford]

Rawdon T-1?

[dook]

Quemerford gets it with the Rawdon T-1.

Over to you.

[Quemerford]

Hopefully this one's not been done:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x320/image1_662428efc2917f1e5fb2b8003cb78122a30acbaa.jpg

[dook]

This is a real puzzler.

Is it a flying wing with two booms supporting the centre fin ?

[Jhieminga]

I thought it would be easy to find, but no luck so far. Post WWII US-built perhaps?

[dook]

Maybe a Tuscar H-70 or 71.

[Quemerford]

Tailless, small fins/rudders either side of the prop. Just pre-war, American.

[Self loading bear]

I have already saved this one for a Heikki (at much later date!!!)

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/512x312/8da0ccb1_3660_426c_a29a_b367306dc1c2_28ca27ea4d8d2c651e2877c 64952f6c74791b1c5.jpeg

[Quemerford]

It is indeed the Tuscar Metals HA-70/71 Bumblebee of 1938. Dook you have control.

[dook]

Thanks Q - an excellent challenge.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x349/friday_9a28c24d8ad622183d08cbe1c95b8f22ff135104.jpg

[Quemerford]

Looks German...

[dook]

Sorry, but it isn't.

[washoutt]

Is there any flight test report on the Tuscar? I wonder about its inherent flight stability. Normaly tailless aircraft or flying wings need a significant wash-out on the tips, or an s-shaped airfoil to compensate the nose-up moment, but neither is visible in the side view. Has anybody an idea on the flight stability?

[sablatnic]

Lawrence engine?

[dook]

Good morning sablatnic.

German engine.

[MReyn24050]

Good morning sablatnic.

German engine.
That would be the Haacke HFM-2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haacke_HFM-2)air-cooled flat twin engine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_twin_engine), 22 kW (30 hp) and fitted to the Dzialowski D.K.D.1 aircraft from Poland.

[dook]

MReyn gets it with the Dzialwski DKD-1.

Over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Dook. Here is the next:-

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x254/pprune35_5d00488539b3c2e5e042ebd233e741d288c33817.jpg

[Auxtank]

Driggs Dart?

[MReyn24050]

Driggs Dart?
It was the Driggs Card Model 2. You have control.

[Auxtank]

Thanks.
Lovely word to say; sesquiplane.

Having nothing prepared I call

OH

[meleagertoo]

Ah! Yes! Of course! A 1922 Phutney-Creech T Mk IV Aerial Land Yacht!

I never fail to be amazed at the insanely esoteric knowledge of some of the posters here. The last half dozen types I've never heard of and I thought I was a bit of an anorak...

Oh well, back to obscurity!

keep 'em coming!

[Self loading bear]

Here is one more for Eager Mel.
Dust off your anorak and give it a try.
Bonus toilet rolls for the Caption competition

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1305x607/2a28c31e_a970_46e1_9f9e_5a81e2cfa064_7b098d4affc5cacf7b04699 223ec21c62e1455ae.jpeg

[Asturias56]

American? Looks awful TBH

[dook]

Is it a glider ?

[Self loading bear]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I will see if I can find some more flattering pictures.
Non American

[fauteuil volant]

I know that I said that I wouldn't play any more but I have always had a soft spot for the De Schelde Scheldemusch and Scheldemeeuw and I think, SLB, your photograph is of the latter.

[MReyn24050]

Interesting. Is it a flying boat/seaplane? The helmet the pilot is wearing looks like that worn by German Fighter Pilots WW1. The guy at the back thinking "Don't say he has lost the p-tube again.

[Jhieminga]

'Jeez... how long does it take them to wind up a rubber band....' ;)

[Quemerford]

I have to say I like that a lot: it looks well-made and has a great deal of charm. No idea what it is but can't wait to find out!

[Self loading bear]

Bear contemplates while holding the rear:
”With that cast iron pot helmet, Dook will never get airborne”

[dook]

I think it was solved at post #1101.

[Self loading bear]

Happy to see you back Fauteuil Volant!
With the 24hr rule lifted I hope to see more from you.
Fauteuil Volant has correctly identified the Scheldemeeuw built before WWII by the aeroplane department of Naval Shipyard De Schelde.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x714/847c6421_e26f_4b85_8d7c_abdb70f4ec1f_88b2774b07ab18e68c512a0 6ddb60e022970edd3.jpeg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x708/875d91a9_9519_4425_bb9d_53583ad9d3a6_66b1f7bcb0ed2b5ef52b2af 95720177bf58bba74.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/480x360/d1c0a459_b594_43aa_9fa4_3141959023ac_74baf9dee240426c23ea2cd 62a09351af0f336fb.jpeg
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[Self loading bear]

MReyn gets the bonus rolls for the Caption competition.

YouTube Scheldemusch and Scheldemeeuw

[dook]

I don't know about the Netherlands, but with the hoarding of toilet rolls here it is easier and probably cheaper to buy 100 pairs of disposable underpants instead !

[fauteuil volant]

..... but not this time, SLB, I'm afraid to say. I've nothing immediately to offer so, I fear, that I must say OH. I'll try to do better in future.

[fauteuil volant]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/276x380/rotate_2__ac7e8ccc4e2993fa25824ae4178c2367c9ea14bb.jpg

As no-one has stepped into the breach and I've had time, this morning, to find another challenge ..... here goes!

[Auxtank]

I don't know about the Netherlands, but with the hoarding of toilet rolls here it is easier and probably cheaper to buy 100 pairs of disposable underpants instead !

Amazing what you can do with a few toilet rolls...

https://youtu.be/WyTwWJ8IQs8

[dook]

The challenge looks a real oddball.

Is it by any chance French ?

[fauteuil volant]

Yes, it's French.

[Quemerford]

Well it must be a Druine, but the extra bit have me foxed.

[dook]

I can't see a prop, so is it a pusher ?

[fauteuil volant]

Whilst I can see why you've found similarities with the Turbulent, the limited information that I have gives no indication that this oddity was created out of a Turbulent. The indications are that it was constructed from scratch - oh, and it did fly.

I think that the apparent absence of a propeller is down to the the photograph. As far as I'm aware, it is a tractor. But look closely at the photograph and see what is missing, which you'd expect to find on most fixed wing aircraft.

[dook]

All I can see that could be missing are flaps.

[Asturias56]

Is the 24 hour rule lifted? I've been traveling ... :(

[Herod]

That's one hell of a speedbrake.

[fauteuil volant]

More than flaps are missing from the wings. They are aileron free zones! That's why this aeroplane has the 'sticky up thing' emerging from the fuselage aft of its cockpit.

[dook]

I've flown an aircraft with no ailerons but that one takes the biscuit !

[fauteuil volant]

The 'sticky up thing' - whose technical name is a lateron - replaced ailerons on this 1959 single seater. Its designer had plans to build a two seater version, but these did not come to fruition.

[dook]

Might this be the ARL-11 Baby Squale ?

[longer ron]

The 'sticky up thing' - whose technical name is a lateron - replaced ailerons on this 1959 single seater.

Presumably the Lateron was so named because the designer was going to fit ailerons Later on to this a/c when the silly looking thingy on top of the fuselage turned out to be useless (ahem) :)

You can blame my partner for that comment btw - she thought that one up :)

[fauteuil volant]

Not might be, dook, but is - the Lemaire ARL.11 Baby-Squale. Over to you, sir.

And no blame attaches to your partner, longer ron. Google 'lateron' and all you get are results for 'later on'!

[longer ron]

And no blame attaches to your partner, longer ron. Google 'lateron' and all you get are results for 'later on'!

I see what you mean FV :)

[dook]

Thank you FV.

In view of my recent problems I feel it is prudent to call OH.

Merci mon ami.

[Asturias56]

Don't expect this one to last long - this opened up a long distance (for the time) air route that is still in use. The pilot is probably better known for doing something else in an earlier job a long way from here

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/302x429/2020_03_18_171145_490b13df44641e012d017481402c24e109e28905.j pg

[dook]

Looks like a Bleriot XI-2 to me.

[Quemerford]

Well that wins the prize for close cropping. It's supposed to be 'guess the flying machine', not guess the wheel size. Could we at least agree to use full aircraft photos? It would also widen the readership a bit.

However maybe there is mileage in a parallel thread ("Identify the Aeroplane from the Part"?) for this type of photo?

[dook]

Well, I think there's enough of the image to identify it, as I think I have done above.

However, I do tend to agree with you. If I post on here it's always a full aeroplane image.

Take a look at the challenge on AviaQuiz. All the challenges there tend to be parts of aeroplanes. I have identified that one also.

[Asturias56]

Well that wins the prize for close cropping. It's supposed to be 'guess the flying machine', not guess the wheel size. Could we at least agree to use full aircraft photos? It would also widen the readership a bit.

However maybe there is mileage in a parallel thread ("Identify the Aeroplane from the Part"?) for this type of photo?

Sorry - If you give a full picture it often gives the game away immediately - for some aircraft there are only a few pictures available

[Asturias56]

Looks like a Bleriot XI-2 to me.

Correct - but I'd be interested to know if you can add the place and the pilot.

He was later also famous as he was a serving officer in his own armed forces who fought for another country under the disguise and false name of an officer from a third country.

And none of these are his major claim to fame............

[dook]

Well, the thread is titled Name that Flying Machine but I will try to find the place and the pilot.

[Asturias56]

Spices it up a bit and keeps the mods away! :ok:

He was later thought to be traitor to his own country by some.............

[MReyn24050]

It is a photograph of Tryggve Gran with his plane "North Sea" and curious onlookers before taking off from Cruden Bay, Scotland. The aircraft, Blériot XI, had a Gnome rotaty engine of 80 hp.

[fauteuil volant]

I can see both sides of this argument, but with so many images now being on the web, and assuming that 'google image' can still be used to identify these, cropping such images may be the only way to ensure that identification is the result of personal research rather than the use of a digital tool. Many moons ago, in a similar (now defunct) quiz on another forum, there was an individual (no names, no pack drill) who seemingly identified almost every image that was posted by means of 'google image'. To catch him out, I posted an image that I knew to be online but incorrectly captioned. He identified it exactly as per the caption - i.e. incorrectly! When this fact was pointed out to him, accompanied by evidence of the true identity of the subject of the image, and he was asked if he'd used 'google image', he was not best pleased. But who is, when they've been had by the short and curlies!

[dook]

It is not difficult to disguise an image, as I have done successfully many times before.

[Asturias56]

I can see both sides of this argument, but with so many images now being on the web, and assuming that 'google image' can still be used to identify these, cropping such images may be the only way to ensure that identification is the result of personal research rather than the use of a digital tool. Many moons ago, in a similar (now defunct) quiz on another forum, there was an individual (no names, no pack drill) who seemingly identified almost every image that was posted by means of 'google image'. To catch him out, I posted an image that I knew to be online but incorrectly captioned. He identified it exactly as per the caption - i.e. incorrectly! When this fact was pointed out to him, accompanied by evidence of the true identity of the subject of the image, and he was asked if he'd used 'google image', he was not best pleased. But who is, when they've been had by the short and curlies!

Agreed it gets harder and harder - I just don't have the time to do a lot of image manipulation I'm afraid.

[dook]

This took 15 seconds to disguise.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x281/ok_f953df26da9dabf6f0f177f0dcc27f0ecec1c4b2.jpg

[Asturias56]

Yes - Gran on the first flight across the N Sea

Quite a character....Jens Tryggve Herman Gran DSC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguished_Service_Cross_(United_Kingdom)), MC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Cross) (20 January 1888 – 8 January 1980) was a Norwegian aviator, explorer and author.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryggve_Gran#cite_note-2) He was the skiing expert on the 1910–13 Scott Antarctic Expedition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1910%E2%80%9313_Scott_Antarctic_Expedition) and was the first person to fly across the North Sea in a heavier-than-air aircraft.

Gran was born in Bergen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen), He met the German emperor, Wilhelm II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_II,_German_Emperor), a common guest with the families of Tryggve's friends. Meeting the emperor made an impact on the then 14-year-old boy, who from that moment on wanted to become a naval officer. He entered naval college in 1907 and graduated in the spring of 1910.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryggve_Gran#cite_note-3)Careerhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Tryggve_Gran.jpg/220px-Tryggve_Gran.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tryggve_Gran.jpg)
Tryggve Gran in Antarctica (1911)Gran took an interest in science and exploration which in 1910 led to Fridtjof Nansen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fridtjof_Nansen) recommending his services to Robert Falcon Scott (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Falcon_Scott), who was in Norway at the time preparing for an expedition to the Antarctic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic) and testing the motor tractor he intended to take with him. Scott was impressed with Gran, who was an expert skier, and Nansen convinced Scott to take Gran as ski instructor to Scott's men for the Terra Nova Expedition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_Nova_Expedition).

Arriving in Antarctica in early January 1911, Gran was one of the 13 expedition members involved in the laying of the supply depots needed for the attempt to reach the South Pole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole) later that year. From November 1911 to February 1912, while Scott and the rest of the Southern party were on their journey to the Pole, Gran accompanied the geological expedition to the western mountains led by Griffith Taylor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Griffith_Taylor).

In November 1912, Gran was part of the 11-man search party that found the tent containing the dead bodies of the past South Pole party. After collecting the party's personal belongings the tent was lowered over the bodies of Scott and his two companions and a 12-foot snow cairn was built over it. A pair of skis were used to form a cross over their grave. Gran travelled back to the base at Cape Evans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Evans) wearing Scott's skis, reasoning that at least Scott's skis would complete the journey. Before leaving Antarctica he made an ascent of Mount Erebus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erebus) with Raymond Priestley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Priestley) and Frederick Hooper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Hooper_(adventurer)) in December 1912, an occasion which nearly ended in disaster when an unexpected eruption caused a shower of huge pumice blocks to fall around him. On 24 July 1913 Gran was awarded the Polar Medal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_Medal) by King George V (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_V_of_the_United_Kingdom).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryggve_Gran#cite_note-4)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Bl%C3%A9riot_XI-2.JPG/220px-Bl%C3%A9riot_XI-2.JPG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bl%C3%A9riot_XI-2.JPG)
Blériot XI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%A9riot_XI)-2, the type flown by GranOn his return voyage, Gran met aviator Robert Loraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Loraine), the first pilot to cross the Irish sea, and immediately took an interest in aviation. Gran became a skilled pilot at Louis Blériot's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Bl%C3%A9riot) aviation school in Paris, and on 30 July 1914, Gran became the first pilot to cross the North Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea). Taking off in his Blériot XI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%A9riot_XI)-2 monoplane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoplane), Ca Flotte, from Cruden Bay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruden_Bay), Scotland, Gran landed 4 hours 10 minutes later at Jæren (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A6ren), near Stavanger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stavanger), Norway, after a flight of 320 miles (510 km).The restored, but complete and original plane is on display at the Norwegian Technical Museum in Oslo, Norway.

Only five days later, the United Kingdom entered the First World War. Gran, now a first lieutenant in the Norwegian Army Air Service (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Army_Air_Service), volunteered for service with the Royal Flying Corps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Flying_Corps). He was rejected because of Norway's neutrality. However, the rejection did not stop Gran. Under the identity of "Captain Teddy Grant" of Canada, he was admitted to the RFC, serving in 1916 with No. 39 Squadron on Home Defence. Gran was commissioned into the Royal Flying Corps under his own name as a probationary temporary second lieutenant on 1 January 1917,[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryggve_Gran#cite_note-6) confirmed in the rank and appointed a flying officer on 1 March 1917,[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryggve_Gran#cite_note-7) and was posted to No. 70 Squadron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._70_Squadron_RAF), flying the Sopwith Camel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Camel) on the Western Front (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Front_(World_War_I)). He was appointed a flight commander (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_commander) on 1 January 1918 with the rank of acting-captain, and in March his seniority as second lieutenant was backdated to 1 January 1917.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryggve_Gran#cite_note-9)

Soon after he was awarded the Military Cross (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Cross) His citation reading:

T./Capt. Tryggve Gran, Gen. List and R.F.C. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. He bombed enemy aerodromes with great success, and engaged enemy searchlights, transport and other targets with machine-gun fire. He invariably showed the greatest determination and resource.

He was promoted to acting-major on 10 September 1918. and commanded various Royal Air Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force) units in Arkhangelsk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkhangelsk) and North Russia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia) during the Allied intervention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Russia_Campaign) in 1919. Gran was temporarily transferred to unemployed list on 26 April 1919, but on 1 August was granted a permanent commission in the RAF with the rank of captain, however, this was then cancelled on 2 December 1919. Gran finally relinquished his commission on 6 August 1921.

Gran himself claimed to have shot down German ace Hermann Göring (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring) in a dogfight on 8 or 9 September 1917. He discovered this when he became acquainted with Göring after the war, and compared his flight logs with Göring's. It could however not be verified that it was Gran who shot down Göring's plane.

After the war, Gran started holding lectures on aviation and his journeys to the polar areas, as well as writing books. In 1919 he was the first man to fly from London to Stockholm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm). In 1928, he led a search party to find polar explorer Roald Amundsen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Amundsen), lost flying while trying to discover the fate of Umberto Nobile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_Nobile)'s North Pole expedition on board the Airship Italia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airship_Italia).

During the Second World War, Gran was reportedly a member of Nasjonal Samling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasjonal_Samling) (NS), Vidkun Quisling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidkun_Quisling)'s collaborationist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborationism) party. The NS used Gran's hero-like status in their war propaganda, and in 1944, a commemorative stamp was issued to mark the 30th anniversary of Gran's flight across the North Sea. It has been speculated Gran feared reprisals from the pro-German fascist party because of his commitment to the Royal Air Force in the First World War. Others have speculated that his friendship with Göring and bitterness over not being offered a full-time job in the Norwegian Army Air Service may have been reasons for Gran to support the NS during the Nazi occupation of Norway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_occupation_of_Norway).

After a trial in 1948, Gran was found guilty of treason and sentenced to a prison term of 18 months. The remainder of his life was devoted principally to writing books. Gran was also a gifted football (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football) player, earning one cap for Norway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway_national_football_team) in 1908. This was Norway's first ever international match, and was played against Sweden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_national_football_team) in Gothenburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothenburg). Sweden beat Norway 11-3.Tryggve Gran died in his home in Grimstad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimstad), Norway on 8 January 1980 aged 91. A memorial was unveiled in Cruden Bay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruden_Bay) during 1971.Honours

Order of St. Olav (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St._Olav) (Norwegian, 1915 – returned in 1925)
Distinguished Service Cross (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguished_Service_Cross_(United_Kingdom)) (British, First World War)
Military Cross (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Cross) (British, First World War)

Polar medal after taking part in Robert F. Scott's Antarctic expedition 1910 - 1911

Légion d'honneur, France

Italian Crown

[Asturias56]

This took 15 seconds to disguise.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x281/ok_f953df26da9dabf6f0f177f0dcc27f0ecec1c4b2.jpg


If you know what you're doing - sadly I rarely do................

This looks French??

[fauteuil volant]

Out of curiousity, I looked to see if the individual mentioned in my last post is still a member of this forum. He is, but he hasn't posted here for over five years. Maybe he became bored with using 'google image'?

[MReyn24050]

Is the engine a Curtiss? D-12 or V-1400 perhaps?

[dook]

Hello MR.

The engine isn't American and nor is the aeroplane.

[dook]

Two 0.303" Vickers guns.

[dook]

SPA engine.

[MReyn24050]

I believe it is the biplane fighter named the MVT Marchetti Vickers-Terni.

[dook]

You believe correctly MR.

Over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks dook. Good challenge. I was surprised it was a fighter with what appeared to be very fragile interplane striurs.
Here is the next but much easier one;-

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/923x658/pprune36_61aead6e7b7f85d2b3d8ca89a272f8a4ac3e0bbb.jpg

[dook]

I can't make out if it's a mono or sequi.

[dook]

I've answered my own question.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x291/alba_2a_542ef21088ee3c495915774fd2355f627bc583e2.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Watch it Dook,
if you don’t state make and type yourselves somebody is gonna steel it from you.....

[dook]

Albatros AL 102 W (built by Focke Wulf) / Fw 102 W

[MReyn24050]

Albatros AL 102 W (built by Focke Wulf) / Fw 102 W

It certainly is. You have control dook.

[dook]

Cheers MR. There had to be a reason the tail was cropped.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x283/sat_f923222125a2c407307aad03c7b3bc7328197df5.jpg

[MReyn24050]

That looks to be a little beast of a machine.

[Ascend Charlie]

Raising the tail on the takeoff roll is gonna put the prop awfully close to the ground?

[Asturias56]

Russian perhaps???

[dook]

Not Russian I'm afraid.

Judging by the comment by MReyn I think he knows the answer.

[Jhieminga]

It's almost like an Aeronca C.2 configuration-wise. I have no clue beyond that I'm afraid.

[dook]

Former Warsaw Pact country.

[Asturias56]

Bulgaria possibly

[dook]

Not Bulgaria - keep going......

[Asturias56]

Doesn't look terribly Romanian - they generally have more style -, Yugoslavia wasn't inthe Pact IIRC - so maybe Czecho-slovak?

[dook]

Yes indeed...…..

[Quemerford]

Reminds me of a Praga.

[dook]

Keep going.....

[Asturias56]

'tis the Beneš-Mráz Be-60 Bestiola (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBene%25C5%25A1-Mr%25C3%25A1z_Be-60_Bestiola&psig=AOvVaw2eOzbwbDAOP9nfehchNta_&ust=1585041086143000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAkQjhxqFwoTCOD21qigsOgCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD) - you're right Mreyn seems to have known what it was!!


The Beneš-Mráz Be-60 Bestiola was a Czechoslovakian light aircraft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_aircraft) produced in the 1930s. The highwing monoplane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoplane) had two side-by-side seats in an enclosed cabin, braced wings, and a fixed undercarriage. It was first flown in 1935, undergoing testing quickly. Twenty of these aircraft were then sent out to Czechoslovakian flying clubs from April to November 1936.Specifications[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bene%C5%A1-Mr%C3%A1z_Be-60_Bestiola&action=edit&section=1)]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Bene%C5%A1-Mr%C3%A1z_Be-60_3-view_L%27Aerophile_June_1936.jpg/220px-Bene%C5%A1-Mr%C3%A1z_Be-60_3-view_L%27Aerophile_June_1936.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bene%C5%A1-Mr%C3%A1z_Be-60_3-view_L%27Aerophile_June_1936.jpg)
Beneš-Mráz Be-60 3-view drawing from L'Aerophile June 1936General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 6.65 m (21 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 11.2 m (36 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 15.2 m2 (164 sq ft)
Empty weight: 290 kg (639 lb)
Gross weight: 490 kg (1,080 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Walter Mikron II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mikron_II) inline piston engine, 48 kW (65 hp)

Performance

Maximum speed: 150 km/h (93 mph, 81 kn)
Cruise speed: 125 km/h (78 mph, 67 kn)
Range: 470 km (290 mi, 250 nmi)
Service ceiling: 3,400 m (11,200 ft)

[dook]

Asturias gets the prize.

Your service.

[Auxtank]

Well done Asters - no rest for the wicked - you've got some Chart work to do on the Which Aerodrome Thread...

https://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/459713-aerodrome-mk-iii-935.html#post10724938

[Asturias56]

Yeah well - working from home - but a conference call with a client this pm "to discuss the situation" :(

Not expecting them to shovel more work into the hopper.........

Try this - it came in a lot of slightly different editions I think (even apparently as a biplane!!)

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/607x221/2020_03_20_152y5mod_e6c28d877fe09c772d4bf72ce7c8238cc58e3dfd .jpg

[Asturias56]

Ah well - I have more time on my hands gentlemen & ladies - "we're not doing anything and we're not making any money so we're putting everything on hold right now..." ah well - they've been a good client over the years - they may survive........

Sorry about the rather coarse blotting out of the reg. - but I don't have photoshop

[MReyn24050]

A connection with the Bowers Fly Baby perhaps?

[Asturias56]

It is a Flybaby - supposedly a 1A but they came in so many flavours depending on the individual constructor . I was amazed to read they sold several thousand kits and at least 380 were built - one as a biplane!!!

Mreyn in command

[MReyn24050]

Quiet an interesting aircraft. What was the registration? I could not find one with that configuration fin and rudder. Good website here. The Fly Baby Home Page (http://www.bowersflybaby.com/) several biplanes among them.

Try this one:-
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x632/pprune37_1f85ccdb9be79f0880269bff9bcf6e993dc45aa1.jpg

[fauteuil volant]

Avia BH-12?

[Asturias56]

The Fly Baby was N319L - I understand people changed the wing-tips, the tail, the wheels...................

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/607x221/2020_03_20_152612_d692a46abf92f9510d86f690b72ff6b184b450da.j pg

[dook]

Asturias,

Photoshop Elements has the clone tool. I have seen it online for about 30 Euros.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/607x221/asturias_a72a9310323e6f2bac62732a280a716943ae4912.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Avia BH-12?
You have it.The floor is yours.

[fauteuil volant]

Here's a sporty little number - that's the one in the foreground, rather than the background .....

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1039x634/digitalis_7711eb4ed45bce2100bb41fcfdebe96f159fed87.jpg

[Asturias56]

Is it French?

[dook]

I believe it is French.

Dabos-Masclet JDM Roitelet

[fauteuil volant]

Bien sûr, Asturias56 - but dook has it, it's Jean Dabos' Roitelet (F-WFAC) of 1949.

[dook]

Thank you fv.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x375/wed_3769f153461e4368f3390a2013da1df4ec2cf89d.jpg

[Quemerford]

Looks like a Penguin. All flap and no fly.

[dook]

It ran on petrol not fish.

[MReyn24050]

A strange looking aircraft. British, I believe but with a bit of french built into it.

[dook]

You believe correctly.

[Asturias56]

French engine I guess?

[dook]

A part of the airframe is French.

[meleagertoo]

Farman u/c?

[dook]

Good guess but no.

[MReyn24050]

Good guess but no.
You don't seem to be having much luck with this one. I was amazed to learn that modifications were carried out on the aircraft to extend the lower wings until they were nearly as great in span as the upper surfaces and outer pairs of interplane struts were added.

[Auxtank]

But not sesquiplane old dook?

Or is it?

[Self loading bear]

A part of the airframe is French.

so it has a toilet?

[longer ron]

My Boss tells me it is a Grahame-White Lizzie/Tea Tray (and who am I to argue with her :) )
I certainly would not have fancied flying it in its original (pictured) configuration :)

If correct - boring old OH I am afraid.

[Asturias56]

Hard to make progress with a single picture so lets as k a few questions rather than guess

pre 1916?

[fauteuil volant]

It looks to have some affinity with the 1914 Hall biplane which, according to Jane, was:

'An interesting example of the combination of the Caudron wing structure with an ordinary fuselage'.

[dook]

At last.

longer ron has identified the aeroplane but has sadly called OH.

However, it is obvious that MReyn knew the answer at post #1189 and #1195, so I think he should have the next shot.

[MReyn24050]

At last.

longer ron has identified the aeroplane but has sadly called OH.

However, it is obvious that MReyn knew the answer at post #1189 and #1195, so I think he should have the next shot.

Thanks Dook. I will find something soon. I should add though there another photograph of Graham-Whites Lizzie on the fron cover of Peter Lewis's book British Aircraft 1809-1914 published by Putnam.

[MReyn24050]

Here is the next

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x486/pprune38_75e8e587d217720052e2012f53aba4aa89197d95.jpg

[treadigraph]

Formula 1 racer?

[MReyn24050]

Formula 1 racer?
Looks like a racer doesn't it.

[Asturias56]

I think people should have to state the name of the aircraft to win TBH - hints etc are fine if you know what it is (I've done it myself) - but that isn't the same as answering the question

[Self loading bear]

I think people should have to state the name of the aircraft to win TBH - hints etc are fine if you know what it is (I've done it myself) - but that isn't the same as answering the question

I agree fully with your opinion.
However as OH was declared everyone may post a new challenge.
Dook gave a suggestion that MReyn should be the first to take this OH.
and that is fine with me.

[longer ron]

I think people should have to state the name of the aircraft to win TBH - hints etc are fine if you know what it is (I've done it myself) - but that isn't the same as answering the question

More correctly - I 'won' (although it was actually my better half that ID'd it),however as Dook said - it was obvious that Mreyn had already ID'd the aircraft from his little hints,he is much more likely to post a challenging 'challenge' so I am also more than happy that Mreyn has posted the latest challenge.

[dook]

Maybe the Rublic R-7 Seagull.

[Asturias56]

I agree fully with your opinion.
However as OH was declared everyone may post a new challenge.
Dook gave a suggestion that MReyn should be the first to take this OH.
and that is fine with me.


I don't have a major problem here....................

[MReyn24050]

Maybe the Rublic R-7 Seagull.

You have it dook, My reference, Tschechslowakische Flugzeuge by Hans-Joachim Mau gives it as VPS Svazarmu R-7 Racek. however I note Secret Projects state Mr. Zdenek Rublič was from Czech,and he born in 1902,became interesting in Avia from 1920s,then with Mraz after the
WWII with Sokol,and in 1961 he developed a R-7 Racek,which was a single seat low-wing aerobatic monoplane,powered by one 160 hp Walter Minor 6-III engine.

[MReyn24050]

I don't have a major problem here....................
Thank you. Yes, I did know the answer but felt I should let others have a go. As it was not moving on I gave a couple of suggestions, I promise to keep quiet in future.

[treadigraph]

R-7 Racek,which was a single seat low-wing aerobatic monoplane

Mentioned by Neil Williams in "Airborne" in the chapter about the Cosmic Wind... Interesting to see a pic of it!

[MReyn24050]

Mentioned by Neil Williams in "Airborne" in the chapter about the Cosmic Wind... Interesting to see a pic of it!

Here is another pic .https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/attachments/1-jpg.614333/

[dook]

Evening/afternoon/morning all.

Next:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x373/fri_f8f89d9f03f44b41fc4f903f02268ef5ebd89241.jpg

[India Four Two]

Eight hours between successive challenges. Have the rules changed?

[dook]

Not to my knowledge.

[MReyn24050]

Dook, any connection with the Church Mid-wing? Where those wheels & tyres especially for rough terrain operation?

[Self loading bear]

Not to my knowledge.
see last post of senior pilot in
posts about 24 hrs AH&N
of 15 March

[dook]

Bear,

I am aware of that. That's why I answered the question from I42 in that way.

MReyn,

No connection to the Church that I know of. I think the tyres and wheels were for the reason you suggest.

[Asturias56]

I read it that the 24hr rule has been suspended - but over enthusiasm will bring it back..................

[MReyn24050]

Bear,

I am aware of that. That's why I answered the question from I42 in that way.

MReyn,

No connection to the Church that I know of. I think the tyres and wheels were for the reason you suggest.

Thanks for that. Is the engine a Kinner B-5 and the aircraft from the USA?

[MReyn24050]

I read it that the 24hr rule has been suspended - but over enthusiasm will bring it back..................

Blame it on the Virus and having to stay at home.

[dook]

The engine isn't a Kinner but the aeroplane is American.

[MReyn24050]

The engine isn't a Kinner but the aeroplane is American.
5 cylinder engine though, a Szekely SR5 or Lambert perhaps?

[dook]

It's a LeBlonde.

POP 3

[MReyn24050]

I believe the aircraft in question is the ill-fated Babcock LC-11 Ranger X551E, second of the three LC-11’s which had a career measured in months instead of years. Built in March of 1929, she was similar to her sister X7997 and NC889E, except that she had a slightly shorter fuselage and larger tires with smaller hubs designed to eliminate the need of shock-absorbers and allow landings on rough fields, hence the designation Ranger

[dook]

The Babcock LC-11 it is.

Your service.

[MReyn24050]

The Babcock LC-11 it is.

Your service.
Thanks Dook that was a great challenge aerofiles wasn't much use this time.


Going to declare Open House to give someone else the chance.

[India Four Two]

Here's one I found a while ago. A new one for me:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/361x341/wa_2020_03_29_08bebb33fbb12f3ade4a7e66327e1f8001b16888.jpg

[B2N2]

Here's one I found a while ago. A new one for me:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/361x341/wa_2020_03_29_08bebb33fbb12f3ade4a7e66327e1f8001b16888.jpg

ME 323 Gigant?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_323

[dook]

I have seen this before and it's not German - the door shape is wrong.

I think it's the Kawanishi H11 Soku.

[B2N2]

I have seen this before and it's not German - the door shape is wrong.

I think it's the Kawanishi H11 Soku.

I think you’re right.
Bravo.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/271x186/image_d847c4e174bb63ef6c527789388bd975caf51bdf.jpeg

[India Four Two]

Well done dook. The Kawanishi H11K Soku (Blue Sky)

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1555x577/soku_573bd8dd7cc60c14219ba3a15f0082c0b5e6575e.jpg


Japanese Aircraft of WWII - Kawanishi H11K Soku (Blue Sky) (https://tinyurl.com/w4nafvb)

It didn't get beyond the wooden mockup stage before it was destroyed in a bombing raid in April 1945. It was a very large aircraft - 100,000 lb AUW. The wingspan was 157', 44' bigger than the Sunderland and 43' less than the Mars.

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I'm surprised it had only three machine guns.

[dook]

Many thanks India.

A little smaller this time.

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[FlightlessParrot]

The Kawanishi is described as having four-bladed, alternating stroke propellers. What is this, please? Google does not reveal a source of information.

[MReyn24050]

Latest challenge. Is it powered by a Hirth HM 504 Engine?

[dixi188]

The Kawanishi is described as having four-bladed, alternating stroke propellers. What is this, please? Google does not reveal a source of information.

I suspect the meaning is "Variable Pitch Propeller", but something lost in translation from Japanese.

[dook]

The challenge does not have a German engine.

[PDR1]

I'm surprised it had only three machine guns.

I'm surprised at the claimed performance. That's a big and heavy aeroplane for 4x1500bhp.

PDR

[Asturias56]

Never flew so it may have been a very optimistic estimate........

[fauteuil volant]

If 'it didn't get beyond the wooden mockup stage' was it a 'flying machine'?

[sycamore]

I think the `alternating stroke`meaning is that the props on the port engines,rotate one way,stbd engines rotate other way,ie counter rotating,but it`s difficult to see on the photos...
The Me `Gigant was also similar....

[DaveReidUK]

I think the `alternating stroke`meaning is that the props on the port engines,rotate one way,stbd engines rotate other way,ie counter rotating,but it`s difficult to see on the photos...
The Me `Gigant was also similar....

Some Mitsubishi engines were intended to drive contra-rotating (rather than counter-rotating) props, so that's another possibility.

[Asturias56]

I think the challenge is Belgian - Stampe et Vertongen SV.4

Pre war design that went into large scale production post WW2 - over 1000 built - a lot of them with Gypsy Major's

[dook]

But it's not a Stampe nor Belgian.

Go west.

[Asturias56]

So USA? The building in the background suggest America rather than the UK or Ireland.....

[treadigraph]

Looks like there might be a US registration under the wing! Gear legs look similar to some Wacos but it's not otherwise like any Waco I can recall.

[dook]

It was indeed American.

It wasn't a Waco though.

Only one made.

[MReyn24050]

It was indeed American.

It wasn't a Waco though.

Only one made.

There is something special about this aircraft. .

[DaveReidUK]

There is something special about this aircraft. .

A very diplomatic answer. :O

[dook]

Gentlemen,

If you know what it is then say so.

[MReyn24050]

Gentlemen,

If you know what it is then say so.
I have no idea what the aircraft other than it looks a bit special There appears to be a large space between the engine and cockpit possibly holding a large fuel rank. There appears to be additional strengthening at the attachment of the cabane struts.to wing.

[DaveReidUK]

Sorry, tied up doing an online quiz with the kids for the last couple of hours. :O

It's the one-off 1937 Collier CA-1 Ambassador (reg NX17610 just visible under the wing).

Open House, please.

[Asturias56]

What was special about it?