Name that Flying Machine

[treadigraph]

I reckon it's the Ilyushin IL-40?

[Beamr]

I reckon it's the Ilyushin IL-40?
Absolutely! The first version of the ground attack plane Ilyushin IL-40 from early 50's. Only one made with that nose, it was heavily modified once they found out that firing the guns disturbed the airflow to the engines causing the engines to stall. Back to the drawing board and they came up with the uglyish double-barrel design, but only 1 prototype + 5 production units were ever made in the Rostov-on-Don plant by the sea of Azov. The mentioning of long legs was just fog of war, I did try to lure others to consider it would be a propeller aircraft, but it surely is equipped with jets. According to some sources the program was cancelled due to change in doctrine towards using tactical nukes dropped by fighter-bombers instead of these strafing the enemy... I hope the current regime in Moscow has no such ideas to replace the frogfoots.

Here's the full picture of which the quiz was made of, plus a side picture and the double-barrel shotgun. All yours treadigraph!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1050x357/ev1baxaxaaimkv0_1cf0624b41f657c46a43afcea90d2e02a869b312.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/340x148/images_33fa8a6f855bdae69a7a24da51624a069a1ae1c9.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x400/300px_il_40front_64aba831a21b2f0a08b5a0af227e3919bbd2f694.jp g

[treadigraph]

Cheers Beamr, herewith another oddity to me...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/662x333/comp_1c225a5262feb6e7fd26ea6fcbb2a717739a2a7f.jpg

[Planemike]

French.......methinks ???

[Beamr]

I'd think so, too. The piston engined version is prettier and with triple the range more useful, too.

[treadigraph]

Your thinking does you both credit!

[Asturias56]

With those clues even I can get it

SNCAC NC.1070 I think?

remember the 24 hour rule tho'

[jolihokistix]

Erm, being a newcomer I have no right to whinge, but isn’t Rostov on Don part of Russia, or is it a question of being an oblast in the Soviet Union and not strictly Russian? (Asking for a friend)

[Beamr]

Erm, being a newcomer I have no right to whinge, but isn’t Rostov on Don part of Russia, or is it a question of being an oblast in the Soviet Union and not strictly Russian? (Asking for a friend)

Yes it is part of Russia, as it was in the Soviet Union era as well. Why does your friend ask?
Due to my answer to Asturias's question? My answer was maskirovka :E

[Asturias56]

I still use USSR and Soviet Union when of course I mean the Russian Republic

then there's the Uk, GB, England possibilities

I did know some folk who spoke about "the Union Govt." in Arkansas - and they weren't talking about N Ireland

[treadigraph]

With those clues even I can get it

SNCAC NC.1070 I think?

remember the 24 hour rule tho'

Close enough for Government work, the Nene-powered second prototype was the NC.1071 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCAC_NC.1070). Looks to me like something dreamed up by Gloster with a helping hand from Christopher Cockerell and Richard Noble's Bloodhound design team.

You have control...

[jolihokistix]

Yes it is part of Russia, as it was in the Soviet Union era as well. Why does your friend ask?
Due to my answer to Asturias's question? My answer was maskirovka :E

Yes, but I note that this thread is at Deception Level 5.

My friend then strangely asked me to ask you if you would be seen dead in a BMW. It must be hypothetical, as he is not at all the offensive type.

[Beamr]

Yes, but I note that this thread is at Deception Level 5.

My friend then strangely asked me to ask you if you would be seen dead in a BMW. It must be hypothetical, as he is not at all the offensive type.

There always is the risk as I've driven a BMW that was tested in Kobe for radiation levels prior to export. True story!

[jolihokistix]

Curious. That must have been after Fukushima. One should of course always check for flood damage, but radiation is a new one on me. And on a German car in Japan! But I digress from your excellent thread.

[Asturias56]

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/262x203/2022_03_30_170517_f66743625c20420a159f98601be108059a91c072.j pg

[India Four Two]

I might have a clue what this is!

[treadigraph]

Al agree with your prognosis, I42!

[Asturias56]

Put us out of our misery........................

[treadigraph]

My mo*ney is in I42's response...

[Noyade]

Based on the above - The Mooney M-18 Mite?

[Asturias56]

(twiddles thumbs and watches clock)

[India Four Two]

Well, the world is round you know and I sleep at different times to you, Al Sturias!

It is of course the mighty Mooney Mite. I did not know this type existed until I saw this one at Santa Monica ten years ago.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jQlmPEwCc04

It was immediately obvious from the fin that it must’ve been a baby Mooney.

Open house.

[Asturias56]

Ah but the Mods work on different hours again - I was handed 5 weeks on the bench at Christmas for doing what you've just done and I don't wish to trespass again

The 24 hours run on posted Board clock time - so you have to wait until 10:10 tomorrow on my machine before I declare a winner..................... and that is the person who actually named it

[Beamr]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the rule 24 hours from the original picture posting time? That 24 hours passed approximately five hours ago already.

[sycamore]

Don`t Italian clocks go backwards...?

[India Four Two]

I waited until the hour hand had rotated twice!

However Noyade posted when I wasn’t watching, so I withdraw my OH.

Time is an illusion and lunchtime doubly so.
Douglas Adams.

[treadigraph]

Don't believe I've ever seen one in Europe and a type I was unfamiliar with until I saw one at Albert Whitted Airport in Florida nearly 40 years ago. Oh look, a Mooney that's shunk in the wash...

[Noyade]

Thanks A56.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x215/scan0924_1eb8cf23f154907ed0209e31a987347293b1122e.jpg

[Asturias56]

is the aircraft American?

[Noyade]

is the aircraft American?

Yes it is.

[Asturias56]

a non-radial engined US aircraft of that vintage? How rare!!

Looks rather like Ryanairs M-1 - but it isn't

[Noyade]

A 2-cyl 60 hp motor.
Not a very well known American company but they did produce a very large twin-boom trimotor biplane bomber for the US Army.

[treadigraph]

Ah got it! Never heard of company or aircraft; I'll hang back as I have nothing to offer and I'm sure somebody will apply the same Sherlockian principles to the clues as I did! Looks a delightful little flivver! I want one...

[Beamr]

It is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike a moth.

[meleagertoo]

The trimotor had similarly pleasing-shaped fuselage(s) too.

[teusje]

The Butterfly Monoplane, designed by J. L. Cato
and manufactured by the L. W. F. Engineering Corporation.
Open House if correct, as I have nothing to offer right now.

[Noyade]

The Butterfly Monoplane, designed by J. L. Cato
and manufactured by the L. W. F. Engineering Corporation.
Open House if correct, as I have nothing to offer right now.

Teusje has named it - correctly. :ok:
We have open house.

[Warmtoast]

As it's Open House try this one for size.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x763/image1_f8a5a1f5539f021a047659fb3180390cea98a3f2.jpg

[ea200]

Are we looking at a Bloch MB design? I suspect it was never made?

[Warmtoast]

No. Not a Bloch MB design.

[NutLoose]

It never existed, it is the

SEPTUM NC 2501.2 HIGH-ALTITUDE BOMBER

http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/Major%20Howdy%20Bixby.htm


and if I win its open house :)

[Beamr]

I apologise if I am wrong, but I had the understanding that the rule was that the object had to be real, in essence built and at least tried to get airborne by some brave individual. Have I misunderstood? If so, apologies.

[Warmtoast]

NutLoose is right, so open house.

[NutLoose]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x412/6665623251_8671784758_c_701d50ca0343503ba3de1f9906cd9a0cc6ad 826d.jpg

I’ll give one a go, this should be easy

[Senior Pilot]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x412/6665623251_8671784758_c_701d50ca0343503ba3de1f9906cd9a0cc6ad 826d.jpg

I’ll give one a go, this should be easy

Way too easy: don’t let any Rotorheads see it 🤪

[India Four Two]

It sort of looked familiar, and after a little bit of research, I realized I had seen this helicopter before, at Farnborough, but it was naked! :sad:

[treadigraph]

Its power derives from a lot of hot air...

[Shackman]

Far too much hot air comes from its namesake, none of which seems to provide any lift.

[Warmtoast]

I apologise if I am wrong, but I had the understanding that the rule was that the object had to be real, in essence built and at least tried to get airborne by some brave individual. Have I misunderstood? If so, apologies.

My apologies if I'm wrong too.

FWIW way back in 2017 I posted some other fantasy aircraft for the benefit of the late lamented Danny42C.
My post can be seen here on PPRuNe:
https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/598939-aircraft-recognition-dannyaircraft-recognition-danny.html#post9876640

A PS.
If you want a good laugh see my Post#16 in the link above that reveals why the Soviet TURD U-14 (дерьмо U-14) Military Transport has a droop snoot!
WT

[meleagertoo]

Not providing lift!
I suspect it is guilty of settling with power too. There are far too many there sufferibg from vortex ring, I fear.
Along with hel(i)o-proctosis...

[piesupper]

Westland Westminster?

Westland "Westminster" helicopter - development history, photos, technical data (http://aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/west_westminster.php)


Open house if correct.

[treadigraph]

Whilst I was well aware of the Westland Westminster (Raymond Baxter's "Farnborough Commentary" was a Christmas present around 1980!), just looking at it on Wikipedia, I noticed reference to the paper project Westland W.90 of which I'd never heard - what a concept! Drawing on this site (https://hushkit.net/2017/09/02/10-incredible-cancelled-westland-aircraft/)...

Videos of the Westminster... what might have been!

[NutLoose]

Westland Westminster?

Westland "Westminster" helicopter - development history, photos, technical data (http://aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/west_westminster.php)


Open house if correct.


correct, well done :)

i alway thought it’s looked like a larger Wessex with the engine cockpit positions reversed.

.

[Asturias56]

Since it's OH here's one I'd never heard of...................... and I think I should have done


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/301x233/2022_04_10_104557_063a52e57e4ff71ac70362c75ace5a51fe024791.j pg

[Noyade]

Immediate thought is this machine?


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x621/scan0940_42114ec714991c3d2df6edca02de34a144bca743.jpg

[Noyade]

And now that I read that text above, looking at the variants - lets go with the HD-32. :)


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/654x282/10_08_59_hd_32_weygand_c_0_85b0a78002c8f46f50190d2076a06c5c1 95a2634.jpg

[treadigraph]

One turned up the the International Air Tattoo at Fairford about 30 years ago as I recall.

[Asturias56]

Yes Noyade is correct

I thought it would last longer but I guess once seen , never forgotten!

it was the survey version that bugged me - I REALLY am surprised I never came across it professionally

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/210x314/2022_04_10_104223_9c876651540ff414e1f55f4e840e4886ab02895a.j pg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1250x832/0174225_da1f3b0bfe1085a6c5f5df519d61c94302afa730.jpg

[Noyade]

Thanks A56.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x664/scan0939_75e49833a4d483105c3f9821c3fb6a524c9febab.jpg

[Herod]

Was he trying to catch the pigeon as it was overtaking? :)

[Asturias56]

Thats the question - do we have to ID the pigeon or the aircraft?

[Noyade]

do we have to ID the pigeon or the aircraft?

Just the aircraft thanks. :)
The only info I have on the carrier pigeon - is it's heading to Bletchley Park.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x667/20220413_191239_37d7d59de46d29c2955faa3368e3c08aa8597db5.jpg

[Self loading bear]

It was quite a modern pigeon for its days:
It took off with flaps extended.

[Asturias56]

https://www.classicwarbirds.co.uk/articles/pigeons-at-war-the-raf-and-the-national-pigeon-service.php

is good for ID-ing the pigeons - the aircraft is a little more difficult

Is it a Vickers Virginal mk 1

[NutLoose]

I heard they modernised shortly afterwards and made the pigeons out of clay, I have to admit a machine gun is a bit OTT and not very sporting.

[Noyade]

Is it a Vickers Virginal mk 1

No. Not the Virginia.
Here's more, showing the fin shape.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x433/look_up_there_a6bb8127680b350df68f6397079616831d4437cd.jpg

[Asturias56]

Ahh _ he's at the BACK! I thought he was in a fighting top........................

Something Like a Potez 141?

[treadigraph]

Stranraer?

[MReyn24050]

Stranraer? Much closer than Stranraer more like London. It is I believe the tail gun position on the Saro London. Open House if correct.

[Noyade]

Saro London. Open House if correct.

London it is Mel. :)
Open House.

[treadigraph]

Well done Mel! I was familiar with the Stranraer because of the lovely example at Hendon but not heard of the London!

I'll stick this one up, never heard of it before!

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/850x355/type_3eb9334bfae440bc0ad4ee95732c28f5d9ff4587.jpg

[Asturias56]

Ah! I knew someone who went there and had picture of this so I'll duck out I hadn't realised it had had such a long life!

[meleagertoo]

Rather comic, isn't it?

[Self loading bear]

Rather comic, isn't it?
I asked the Missus and she agreed.

[Verwaltung]

Looks marvellous!

[Asturias56]

And showed bulldog like tenacity..............

[treadigraph]

So, anyone going for the kill?

[Noyade]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x502/scan0944_ebcbe83a7786361a182c0c6cabecce4437737d85.jpg

[treadigraph]

:ok: your controls...

[Asturias56]

Only went to a museum 20years ago!!!

[Noyade]

:ok: your controls...

Thanks treadi - but all those above me identified it first. I just pulled the trigger.
Open House.

[Asturias56]

One for the weekend - tho I don't expect it to last long

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/303x281/2022_04_22_123259_b96d30303795d1d454eac1ba64e6377ef8768854.j pg

[Self loading bear]

The white tipped nose was not its most outstanding feature.

[Noyade]

First thought was a Miles Student.
Second thought - the Custer CCW-5.
Third thought was technically what we see could also be described as the Baumann B-290 Brigadier - or did Custer alter the nose?
Fourth thought - sit back and enjoy a mid-morning Saturday cuppa.

[oldpax]

Piaggio(?),an italian job?

[Noyade]

Lock me in for my second thought above - Custer CCW-5.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer_CCW-5


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/653x461/kaboom_2507de360f9cce59d01eb4a0c5f2f0e5b168e4cd.png

[Asturias56]

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/191x139/2022_04_22_123501_3e187c971309a23727664f083aafbc2e68c59487.j pg

[Noyade]

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/191x139/2022_04_22_123501_3e187c971309a23727664f083aafbc2e68c59487.j pg

I think it was Bill Gunston who said it was Aviation Week that debunked most of what Custer claimed what the CCW-5 could do - especially "hover."


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x673/scan0947_fa926d96e4e20ea7b1df9172cf6048849a15adc2.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/794x275/another_angle_e76157d492dbd0a574aec015b81e5ef60e1e97b0.png

[DownWest]

Thought it looked familiar, not from my limited experience, but from a few pages back ;o)

[Asturias56]

I'll be up bright and early tomorrow to call the result.........

[Asturias56]

Yes the Custer.... what a mad idea!!

Over to Noyade

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/292x172/imagesadasdsads_950d46dd3a1023f063f49658271b904518b08301.jpg

[Noyade]

Cheers!


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x438/scan0728_ebbb4592ef8d140fbf1fe62feab745e110d76b53.jpg

[Asturias56]

Very neat

I'm sure I've seen this before somewhere - German? Austrian?? I keep thinking Bucker......

[Noyade]

USA mate...

[Noyade]

Maybe some visual clues will help? You will find it in Aerofiles.

Manufacturer...

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/250x199/1_qywx_olic95pcjwtzmjaug_db07bfb3b36e59f8004a95c5de5c943d7f2 bcc28.jpg

Name...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/250x171/scan0958_1de0de791cde2eb31fe1bd9308dd49b506c41326.jpg

[Noyade]

Friday afternoon. I think it's time to shut this one down.
Twas the Viking Kittyhawk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_B-8_Kittyhawk

Open House. :ok:

[India Four Two]

You got a winner there Noyade. It’s not often that a post defeats the collective PPRuNe wisdom!

Here’s an aircraft I have just seen in the flesh for the first time. I’ve never seen a four-bladed prop on such a small aircraft.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/985x1156/7559b8f7_1ebc_46b2_ab96_62c80d05eb79_f15e24c0bf7bcadc232d06b f0aeb09400c70b532.jpeg

[Asturias56]

Looks a bit sporty......... presumably not a standard configuration for the type?

[DownWest]

Looks like a WarpDrive prop. Recent mod to an older design?

[treadigraph]

I'll suggest a Bellanca Cruisair?

[India Four Two]

DownWest,

I’m pretty sure you are correct.

Treadders,

Wrong side of the pond.

I’ll reveal a little more skin!


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1470x1112/00d190ea_46fc_434f_81c4_a27cffe64d87_87198039046ff73cc2024f5 77b6d38a2eec74668.jpeg

[sycamore]

Looks like a modified`Emeraude`.....

[India Four Two]

... that's because it is a modified Emeraude! :)


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1176/img_3210_8da5f0c8744e23bcccbdd5a0207a4c034d537736.jpeg

A homebuilt CP328 Super Emeraude, first registered in 1990. I spotted it last week at Grande Prairie airport, where I was participating in a SAREX.

Does anyone know if there is a benefit to adding a four-bladed prop to such a low-powered engine?

sycamore has control.

[Noyade]

sycamore has control.

Well deserved!
I looked at this last night - but the cockpit detail kept throwing me off the scent.

[sycamore]

Thanks chaps,but sorry ,it`ll be `Open House`....

[Asturias56]

10 days without a post.... lets try this
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/301x200/2022_05_10_144538_a55dc254746b8c9d3e350f22f24b66bb02274712.j pg
one

[treadigraph]

Background reminds me of The Great Waldo Pepper and the WW1 filming scenes - any connection? Only German type I recall though was the Triplane and it aint that!

[India Four Two]

Is that a Stampe in the background?

The white aircraft looks like a fairly modern taildragger.

The terrain could be California or Arizona.

[Noyade]

I thought New Zealand and then wallabies and wombats.
De Havilland Tiger Moth in the background.
I think it's a tricycle undercarriage, Simon
Had a look through Eyre's book....


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x560/clipboard_738520fed01957c747ba0241584d8b87502f68ab.jpg

[Asturias56]

Don't know about a TMM&THFM link bu there is another picture in different colours

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/167x228/2022_05_10_144509_0a4ee3c128f2b27ec18e4394d6a8f3c1e7998635.j pg

[Noyade]

The Stits SA-6B.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x399/2022_05_10_144538_a55dc254746b8c9d3e350f22f24b66bb02274712_6 0283e2c629d5767aa0361e6de33dabb4274a246.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x441/stitts_f12b5886ecf482032cabda6e299d5b4de153bf74.png
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x339/scan0967_18cce221be53fdafa00e7ab8d7eb44785a3a6024.jpg

[Asturias56]

Correct - apparently 27 built and over 1000 kits sold

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x525/1050l_fe72de14ae5eafcf0c2e54887955ffcd12c2125e.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/275x183/dff_b91bc20823e0a0167d3f374d39b11984d0628982.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/343x147/images_asdad1__0dab782903a940fd8e03ca5169a8ae9e747b3b9b.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/960x682/0237ae2cc50843e2e759a3d5635c75ed_1df3dcea440ff8d047719fde23c 14f6ce7bfaa70.jpg

[Planemike]

Quick reaction.....!! Looks like the offspring of a mating between a Tipsy Nipper & an AA1 Yankee !!

[Noyade]

Cheers!

Moving on - to a very well known aircraft. Wiki says nearly 2,000 built....


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/546x660/crop_8878a984b5769ae90d85dd84a9ec9914a963d70d.jpg

[Asturias56]

Lets go wild

V tailed Bonanza?

[Noyade]

Lets go wild

Please do. :)
Not the Bonanza - Wiki says 17,000 built?!

Much bigger aircraft. Military.

[treadigraph]

Transport?

[longer ron]

It is a great challenge Noyade :)
The only guess I can make at the moment is - North American T28 ?

[treadigraph]

Longer Ron, think that's a good call.

[longer ron]

In the unlikely event that T28 is the correct answer - I am afraid it will have to go to OH as I am away from home tomorrow.

[Noyade]

North American T28 ?

That's impressive identification - nicely done mate! :ok:
Unfortunately we have Open House.
(Or maybe you will see this post in time)


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/706x1427/scan0764_280e74ea95ecaef7e9d500b7bd8c667d7d9c2b19.jpg

[bobward]

Isn't this a T28A model? Later versions and the French Fennec had three bladed props if my braincell is correct.

[Noyade]

Isn't this a T28A model?

I believe so.

[Asturias56]

Try this..................

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/247x452/2022_05_27_093509_e8bcef506d3faef0e92889ec2943bc5d41278fc2.j pg

[Self loading bear]

Hatz CB-1??

[Asturias56]

On the right lines but wrong continent Bear

Still a few of these around apparently

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/304x191/2022_05_27_093457_30cc23f475354cdef9431f7fc4512a1d84eb36c9.j pg

[pulse1]

Front end looks like a Currie Wot

[Asturias56]

No - I'd never heard of it but they were quite popular I think

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/230x281/2022_05_27_093929_90e5fea974dd9d6bb14c813cc9bb4a03d9e8ddf4.j pg

[treadigraph]

Is it French?

[kcockayne]

Boisavia 601L, maybe

[Asturias56]

alas no....................

[Noyade]

Probably this?


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x546/scan1019_e613be3209676d3fbe043b0d7ab7be592cb0ae48.jpg

[Asturias56]

I can't comment for a while............... possibly the ORIGINAL BBJ?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/797x377/1015_09_2_1_77238c4b7830ba186f4795e6c703141cf8bac7f7.jpg

[Noyade]

F-BBBJ is a Salmson powered Aero 110.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x589/clipboard_60487add6bde441caac1c841a7a657d487561bd6.jpg

[Asturias56]

24 hours having passed I can come out of my hole and congratulate Noyade - the Aero it is. hard to find many original pictures and it seems people tried different engines - but still some around I believe

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/596x299/2022_05_27_093843_148defb570a64b00c96e176bf6206886b0503a14.j pg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x686/erwerwrwrerwd_3_d98e4017c7eab93d64cea90b8adc743b983f7082.jpg

[Noyade]

Cheers!


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x586/scan1031_a0e087595fe12c99f15b3cf6f564b2150ec2c4d7.jpg

[Planemike]

Think this one is going to be difficult......!!!!

[sycamore]

Back end of an RB-66...?

[Noyade]

Back end of an RB-66...?

Done! Over to you Sycamore. :ok:

[sycamore]

Wild guess there..! Sorry ,OPEN House...

[Asturias56]

Bit quiet on here - lets try this


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/169x168/2022_06_03_164502_0e95920051a825156e256db89720436fb3ef281a.j pg

[India Four Two]

Still a bit quiet!

Not a VFW 614, which was my first guess. Is it French?

[Jamesel]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/255x198/images_6133248dacbeafe7c89bb5027d74a153a2d77497.jpeg
Cessna 620. 4 engine, pressurised (!) 8-10 pax. Flown in 1956, canceled in 1957.
Wonderful extension of the early 310 styling & design philosophy - would have been interesting what direction Cessna would have gone if it had succeeded!
Spending too much time in air/off line to monitor - Open house if correct.....

[Asturias56]

To fill in some time.................

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/129x195/2022_06_03_164248_355ef11558d12c360bd81e4c44d0f2e46c0a3aee.j pg

[Asturias56]

Time has passed and so I can confirm it's the Cessna 620. A little to early - 4 small engines, and up against a tidal wave of old airliners being disposed of by the airlines as turboprops and jets came in

Jamesel has declared OH :ok:

[sycamore]

Would have looked `better` if it had a -310/340 fin/rudder ,rather than a DC-4/6 one...

[Asturias56]

OH for 2 weeks!!

[Beamr]

This shouldn't take too long.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/634x860/2022063051111_e0682f5142290fb8f65ee0b8d9a4998862c3cdf7.jpg

[bobward]

Kaman Seasprite?

[Beamr]

Kaman Seasprite?
unfortunately, no. Wrong continent.

[meleagertoo]

It's a Polish PZL-Swidnik W-3WA Sokol or close derivative.

[Beamr]

Spot on, sir! Your call.

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/305x283/screenshot_2022_07_01_at_22_00_30_4060ffe8e778a1afe8980f0ab5 4de4ed47a99133.png

[Asturias56]

looks like a DC3 variant?

[kcockayne]

Which is why I think that it isn’t! But, I very much agree with Asturias. It does look like a DC3.

[Self loading bear]

I think not a DC-3 variant but same engine,
I think the clue is in the window arrangement.

[treadigraph]

I'll take a stab with Douglas B-23?

[meleagertoo]

Certainly a cousin of the DC3.
Yes, the Confederate Air Force's Douglas B23 Dragon.
Harlingen. Easter 1977

Over to Treadigraph.

[treadigraph]

Thankyou...

'Ave a go at this one...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/602x401/airplane_797ed884b8c0b1ddbcf402212a75f4fb988d92a9.jpg

[meleagertoo]

You'd have some interesting exchanges on the RT in that thing!

[India Four Two]

meleagertoo,

Yes, you could easily have an F-16 on your wing if you weren’t careful!

I’ve seen this one-of-a-kind aircraft. It’s equally bizarre from behind!

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1386x967/6fe0c030_aeef_4a6e_a34a_e2e223f64f2b_7145f490f1eea8c694cd6e9 50609e586a2df06eb.jpeg

[Noyade]

Ditto the above.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x705/scan1062_32a75b0d4a061012cee4cd3af766483718c93d93.jpg

[treadigraph]

I’ve seen this one-of-a-kind aircraft. It’s equally bizarre from behind!

I visited Mojave some 20 odd years ago but don't remember seeing it if it lived outside. Try and remember to confirm the i/d in about 11 hours time!

[India Four Two]

It was outside when I saw it in 2015:

https://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/566357-road-trip-calgary-santa-monica-2.html#post9096558

[treadigraph]

The Sawyer Skyjacker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawyer_Skyjacker_II) indeed...

I guess Noyade named it though allusions and illustrations preceded the accusation!

I enjoyed your road trip threads I42! I can't remember anything particularly unusual visible at Mojave the day I went - it was a Sunday - my particular interest was the C-133s on the far side. We were en-route Reno - Los Angeles having driven down the Owens Valley and also popped into Inyokern (B-29 "Doc" was a surprise having been recently hauled out of China Lake), Fox Field and Palmdale to see what was about...

[Noyade]

Control goes to Simon - I only added a little extra info.
Cheers.

[India Four Two]

Noyade,

Thanks but I wasn't expecting that. I can't find my stashed photo so OH.

[Asturias56]

Another oldie..............

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/153x289/2022_07_09_095500_3d17a453005843020f2fd427afe0b65f379639e0.j pg

[meleagertoo]

I think I'll sit that one out.
Could be any one of hundreds!

[Asturias56]

yes - no point in making it TOO easy! Been around for quite a while in reasonable numbers
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/219x256/2022_07_09_095747_dd123b1243309dacda61bc02c38325cc8d6ff256.j pg

[treadigraph]

Taxi to the gardan centre?

[Asturias56]

Name it properly and it's all yours.............................

[treadigraph]

Gardan (or CAB) GY-20 Minicab....

[treadigraph]

Another oddity of which I had never heard...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x231/pic_387f23d26b3060fe22290e8425a6d3cdad9c47e3.jpg

[meleagertoo]

Only one company could ever afflict a nice looking aeroplane with an empennage as ghastly as that, so it is immediately obvious as a Mooney.

Bizarre and bizarrer! It didn't take long to find that although there are several photos of this listed as a Twin Navion it initially appears more likely to be a Mooney M22. But no! The several pics of this labelled M22 are incorrect!

Then it turns out that the M22 is a single engined pressurised version of the M20 and it isn't that at all. The internet fibs like a cheap chinese watch!

And then I find it's actually (I think) called a Twin Mooney Mk22. At least, that's the most convincing of the various conflicting answers I've dug up!

I'll go withTwin Mooney Mk22. A one off. Reg N5299B

[Asturias56]

Just to confirm that Treadigraph got it one with the CAB GY20 Minivan - a lot still around - mainly in their UK reincarnation I believe

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/275x183/vnvbnex_364fc3cca19c6ef8d173d0ce308cb756d275d8c5.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/259x194/hjfjghjgx_5a6b2e1631f2e33e73b434bebc269d9b7ab50160.jpg

[treadigraph]

Cheers Asturias, yes a nice little aeroplane, always used to be a few at PFA rallies I attended.

Re the newest pic, me lips is sealed for another 12 hours...

[treadigraph]

Meleagertoo has it with the "original" Mooney M22 - a one off attempt at a twin in the late 1950s.

The single Mooney M22 Mustang came a few years later and was pressurised - I recall seeing a Swiss example at Biggin once, only 39 were built. Think the M20s generally look pretty nice, the M22 was a bit agricultural though.

[meleagertoo]

Now here's s freak if ever there was one...


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/87x228/wagner_twin_tripacer_852ac2528fa04b3e41b60abec3f9577c6eb3a25 4.png

[Heinrich Dubel]

Now here's s freak if ever there was one...


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/87x228/wagner_twin_tripacer_852ac2528fa04b3e41b60abec3f9577c6eb3a25 4.png

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1342x870/bildschirmfoto_2022_07_12_um_01_46_40_b5e6e20048584e40043bcb d69cf41a4cbcadef01.png
no luck in reverse image search

[Asturias56]

"no luck in reverse image search"

Its considered a bit non-sporting to use Google Image.....................

[treadigraph]

It's a two Tutu too (and not the late Desmond...)

[meleagertoo]

It's a two Tutu too (and not the late Desmond...)
How do you do it?
I swear no one else here has ever imagined such a thing let alone recognise it!

[treadigraph]

Popped up alongside the Twin Mooney, but I have seen the image before! See if anyone else can i/d it...

[Self loading bear]

Everything better than the quad Anson:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/255x197/b121093e_a060_4bf9_9d54_c39f7722dd93_4310661b96e6f988fc61c4c e072dd97be9a1d213.jpeg

[Noyade]

The twin engine Piper Super Cub?

[meleagertoo]

Quad Anson? That's just so wrong. Faithful Annie never behaved like that!

This droid is different.

No, not a super cub. (Imagine a 'cub' being involved in anything as gross as this?)
Nor anything exactly "twin engined" either. Far worse than that,

But I think you have the answer...

[Noyade]

Looking at Aerofiles - Wagner converted a few single-engined Pipers into 'twins' - yours looks to be the Wagner 2 or Wagner Twin 2.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/601x655/capture_f1b19af214ec3261ddcb5648441fab0bfb13e523.png
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/591x338/wagner_cb8523611978dc1f2b1085084ffb14b6e22b218b.png

[Noyade]

A little more on Wagner from an old disheveled magazine. Even the captionist was a little confused - labeling the Twin Tri-Pacer version as the Twin Cub...


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/350x925/scan1066_1cd41c928775b8fcbff48f0b0d3a413937e13e61.jpg

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x447/scan1067_a52fda8f2ea8703d85f3e1df135320631a819baa.jpg

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/173x123/screenshot_2022_07_13_at_15_37_53_5922ca6c7512bedc5d9c9f2629 560598376b601c.png
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/184x187/screenshot_2022_07_13_at_15_37_27_ddd8d66311296a0ae1edb5ecc0 0aa0a5a5b32095.png
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/186x120/screenshot_2022_07_13_at_15_38_25_c48b560a3132d0fd6527b67390 d49689aaa3b246.png
Noyade has it, the extraordinary Wagner twin "Tripacer" according to my source.

The yellow aircraft is I think a twin cub, the tripacer only(!) had one fuselage but two engined grafted on the front. Prop seperation was achieved by staggering the engines fore and aft by six inches or so.

[treadigraph]

Prop seperation was achieved by staggering the engines fore and aft by six inches or so.

Text suggests left hand engine was mounted parallel but had a crank shaft extension.

[meleagertoo]

Text suggests left hand engine was mounted parallel but had a crank shaft extension.
I hope they did the resonance and vibration calcs...

[Noyade]

Cheers. Treaders, you were first with 'knowing' the answer - would you like control?
Or maybe you, Heinrich Dubel? Wanna have a go?

Failing that - Open House.

[treadigraph]

Over to Heinrich I'd suggest...

[India Four Two]

I hope they did the resonance and vibration calcs...

Never mind that! What about CG calculations? There's an extra 250 pounds forward of the firewall

[Noyade]

Retaking the open house.
We've has tails and noses - here's a midsection.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x572/scan1069_9d08034fd1b85e6749614902167aa46020d65698.jpg

[meleagertoo]

Vickers Viscount?

[dixi188]

Vickers Viscount?
No "Dover Soles"!
And the riveting is not up to Vicker's standards.

[CoodaShooda]

Consolidated B-24?

[Asturias56]

Don't think so - wing looks set lower, and those don't look like B-24 nacelles - I 'm wondering about Dornier............

[sycamore]

Think the guy with the hose appears to be wearing a lifejacket...so ,possibly a seaplane..?...Japanese..?

[Self loading bear]

For seaplanes I will stab at the BV222 (or BV238) there are not that many differences between them which would show from this photo.

[Noyade]

None of the above.
Only one built - that is to say with the engines illustrated.
I rotated the photo slightly to the left - otherwise too much of the engines would be visible.

[meleagertoo]

Is this a turboprop? Those nacelles look rather long for a big recip.

[Noyade]

They're liquid cooled V12 engines...

[treadigraph]

XB-38 Flying Fortress with Allison V-1710s?

[Noyade]

Indeed it is Treaders - over to you sir. :ok:


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x793/20220723_213824_41b64a456e545c136b804ff1480b2424d9af1d2c.jpg

[treadigraph]

Lucky bit of Wikipediaring gave me a hint but image wasn't a clincher!

I expect this will be cinch for somebody...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/744x331/weird_aircraft_125_resize_md_49fec16674e3b9886667a89a636cb6e bb6e954f1.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Oh dear,
With the pilot having no view on the runway;
The passengers will do shock absorber duty upon landing

[Noyade]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x878/scan1079_613358363d63d6e938b6ea078b3156a4254246e9.jpg

[treadigraph]

Well done Noyade, your controls... :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Treaders.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/650x791/scan1068_71e56d2caa1b075b092039469200333174d680a8.jpg

[Noyade]

Ed Heinemann was involved in making this machine...

[Asturias56]

International Air Coach?

[Noyade]

International Air Coach?

Sorry, I have no idea what that is?
So, I can confidently say - no.

It's made outta wood.

[treadigraph]

Fin is certainly reminiscent of the A-26. Those elevator actuators or whatever they are (some form of mass balance?) are unusual but also strangely familiar.

[MReyn24050]

Bowlus XCG-7 Glider. Open House if correct.

[Haraka]

What I love about this site is when subjects I never even knew of are identified. . One never stops learning. . As just now!

[Self loading bear]

Fin is certainly reminiscent of the A-26. Those elevator actuators or whatever they are (some form of mass balance?) are unusual but also strangely familiar.

Yes and how do these work?
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/738x924/040fedfe_6f24_426d_abb3_de75c4613968_42e2391cad5bbdd83a89ccf 02bac54e51b81e89e.jpeg

[sycamore]

They are mass-balances for the control surface...

[Noyade]

Bowlus XCG-7 Glider. Open House if correct.

Indeed it is Mel. :ok:
We're back to Open House.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x563/20220729_102843_b00624e8db38925673ad196299cc24ad479bc7d9.jpg

[Asturias56]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/335x325/2022_07_29_085110_abfd1fff3f11d77fc427749075698f6fef7576de.j pg

this saw better days

[treadigraph]

What I love about this site is when subjects I never even knew of are identified. . One never stops learning. . As just now!
Indeed, every day is a school day...

Thanks Sycamore re mass balances, think I might have a 1/48 kit in the loft which features similar on elevators or ailerons... it must be a fairly common vintage type but damned if I can remember what!

[Noyade]

this saw better days

First thought was the Apollo.
But probably the Accountant?


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x585/scan1091_a76ac48355f30fe3237a7dedb0589508ba7e8281.jpg

Although one artist gives the door a rectangular shape?


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x562/scan1092_96e8d9b2bde5b8240147f0dc13f0e786822bf474.jpg

[UV]

G-ATEL?!
AviationTraders Engineering Ltd.
So personal reggies were alive and well, even in 1957!
That sequence wasnt issued until 1965.

[Asturias56]

twiddle your thumbs until tomorrow.....

[dixi188]

G-ATEL?!
AviationTraders Engineering Ltd.
So personal reggies were alive and well, even in 1957!
That sequence wasnt issued until 1965.
I always thought the first UK out of sequence registration was G-BSST for the first UK Concorde, and only then because the French had done it.
I was wrong. Did Freddie Laker have someone inside the ARB/Board of trade?

[treadigraph]

G-ATEL?!
AviationTraders Engineering Ltd.
So personal reggies were alive and well, even in 1957!
That sequence wasnt issued until 1965.

Vague recollection of several out of sequence allocations being granted before the general free for all started in the mid 1970s - G-VTOL, G-BSBH, G-BJCB plus the BOAC Concorde allocations were all quite well known, but I think there were one or two earlier examples in the 1950s/60s. Earliest was probably G-EDCA (Director of Civil Aviation, Sir William Sefton Brancker), allocated to two separate DH-60s when the G-EAAA-EBZZ sequence was allocated prior to the modern register commencing from G-AAAA in 1929.

Edit: yes, forgotten G-BSST!

[UV]

Did Freddie Laker have someone.....
Whilst we are twiddling thumbs...

That name reminds me of the day I attended an Air Transport Licensing hearing at the CAA in Kingsway, London.
It was the Skytrain licensing application and Freddie Laker was there with some glamorous cabin crew.

During the hearing he asked the Chairman if he could present a petition supporting Skytrain which had been signed by 3 million people. The Chairman agreed and the hosties then proceeded to fill the whole room with stacks of paper about 10 feet high, so much so that you could barely see the panel!

The Chairman then asked Freddie if he wanted this huge mound to be submitted as evidence.

“Of course I do!”, blurted out Freddie, to which the Chairman immediately retorted : “Then, as required by the regulations, you must submit it in triplicate ...as all other evidence”.

The room collapsed in laughter!

[Asturias56]

Yes the fabulously named Accountant - I thought it would last a bit longer but there are too many clever folk on here... over to Noyade!

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/382x255/at_accountant_3a9f698e495381a58b0b77a049d78a712b415d9c.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1824x1024/adsadassa57_a28d132b539bcada313dceb47a6e411c6cd4741b.jpg

[Noyade]

Thank you.
Here's another fuselage + door...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x576/pprune_259e247a09cc58bd151cab0ea579afd133706496.png

[Haraka]

The Old Joke.
!st Prototype " The Accountant"
2nd Prototype "The Administator"
3rd Prototype "The Receiver"
And let's not go in to the Avro 748's ancestry!

[fitliker]

The 748 is still flying out of Pickle Lake , and Red Lake Ontario . Testimony to the genius of Avro Engineering .
Still lots of Airframes left , surprised nobody has not converted them with newer noisemakers .

[dixi188]

The 748 is still flying out of Pickle Lake , and Red Lake Ontario . Testimony to the genius of Avro Engineering .
Still lots of Airframes left , surprised nobody has not converted them with newer noisemakers .
How many 80Ps(ATP) are still flying?

[Self loading bear]

Dutch jewelry?

[134brat]

How many 80Ps(ATP) are still flying?
Of 67 built l would guess that there are no more than 20 still flying and most of these will be with West Atlantic Cargo. I don't think any that went to India are still active but there may be a couple still soldiering on in Indonesia.

[sycamore]

Might be an S-M 81....?

[possel]

Vague recollection of several out of sequence allocations being granted before the general free for all started in the mid 1970s - G-VTOL, G-BSBH, G-BJCB plus the BOAC Concorde allocations were all quite well known, but I think there were one or two earlier examples in the 1950s/60s. Earliest was probably G-EDCA (Director of Civil Aviation, Sir William Sefton Brancker), allocated to two separate DH-60s when the G-EAAA-EBZZ sequence was allocated prior to the modern register commencing from G-AAAA in 1929.

Edit: yes, forgotten G-BSST!
I suggest G-AHDM on the Miles HDM105 (1957, originally a Halifax/Halton in 1946), plus in the more modern lot was G-BIII. There were others which were "special" but almost in sequence with the normal course of things, particularly G-AWOG for Prince William of Gloucester

[Self loading bear]

I was thinking Siebel 204
(Siebel is one of the largest jewelry stores in the Netherlands)

[fitliker]

How many 80Ps(ATP) are still flying?

I would be guessing as I am not sure . I have seen only three in the last while . The biggest issue is getting engine work done as the only shop still providing service is in New Zealand . Just looks like the Saab engines might just bolt right on , same high thrust lines :)

[Noyade]

Might be an S-M 81....?

No, sorry. See below...

[Noyade]

I was thinking Siebel 204
(Siebel is one of the largest jewelry stores in the Netherlands)

No. It's not German - just an impersonator.
It's a screenshot from a movie - about to come outta that door is actor James Mason.

[Asturias56]

"The Desert Rats"? Mason played Rommel in that - could be a JU51 with the Cross painted over the rear window aft of the door?

[Self loading bear]

Then it is simples.
Way ahead of current move to change from fossil fuels.

[ea200]

From the door, window and wing trailing edge I would guess at an Electra 10.

[Noyade]

Electra

That'll do me sir - over to you. :ok:


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x503/clipboard01_ddfaedcdca6f4580c1b76bb044d2b08b920c9f12.jpg

[ea200]

Away at the moment and having trouble accessing pictures so Open House I'm afraid.

[Self loading bear]

I have something to bring to the party:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/260x110/abe10c92_7579_4784_9457_7d2e3201b76e_186b4dac938fafb34c8e532 d9d80e71f40ac38f1.jpeg

[Asturias56]

I have something to bring to the party:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/260x110/abe10c92_7579_4784_9457_7d2e3201b76e_186b4dac938fafb34c8e532 d9d80e71f40ac38f1.jpeg


Thought it was a really early wing-warper but not so sure looking at the wing (and that would be far too easy!) Is it post 1914 Bear?

[Self loading bear]

Post 1914 indeed, you can see a bit of an aileron at the end of the wing.