Name that Flying Machine [Archive] - Page 7

FlightlessParrot

4th Jul 2020, 02:11

C'mon guys - everybody knows it is a Dijkman Dulkes FB25 B
Well I didn't have a clue - but my better half worked it out.

Sorry OH if correct :)
The story of this aircraft, which was not supposed to fly, but did, is fascinating: https://www.aironline.nl/weblog/2018/10/01/allereerste-amateurbouwvliegtuig-van-nederland-gaat-weer-vliegen/ (Google Translate seems to work well on Dutch, though you have to work out that "box" = "crate").

Self loading bear

4th Jul 2020, 07:13

A 30 HP boxer motor from DAF which had already run 60.000 km in a car.
Everyone must admit that they did a reliability test!

Jhieminga

4th Jul 2020, 14:04

longer ron, or rather his better half, has control! ;)

The relevant bits of the story:
In the late '60s Cor Dijkman Dulkes, his brother and a friend designed and built a single-seat aircraft, the Dijkman Dijkhaster Bravo, using a 33Hp Daf car engine with 100,000km on the clock already. The registration PH-COR was painted on it, but there was no paperwork to support this. The wing for the Dijkhaster Bravo came from a sailplane design that Cor had started to build with his brother but which was never finished. To try out the completed aircraft, Cor took it to the beach at Wijk aan Zee, near his home, where he taxied it up and down the beach. During one of these taxi tests on 13th September 1969, he met a man named Van der Ham, who turned out to be a pilot. Van der Ham got into the aircraft and took off from the beach. This drew such a crowd that the beach was quickly filling up with spectators, leaving no room for a landing, so Van der Ham decided to fly to Zestienhoven Airport next to Rotterdam and set down the aircraft on the runway. This was before the days of regulations for home-built aircraft, Dijkman Dulkes had never gone to the trouble of contacting the autorities about his aircraft and the registration was bogus. It arrived at Zestienhoven Airport amidst a festive new hangar opening so the press were able to cover this story in detail. The first PH-COR was quickly impounded, never flew again but survived and is now in the museum at Texel Airport.

Dijkman Dulkes went on to design and build several other aircraft, all with proper paperwork and in accordance with the rules, and the first of these, the aptly registered PH-COR is now under restoration to fly again. It's designer/builder sadly passed away in 2006.
(My translation from the link in the post above).

longer ron

4th Jul 2020, 15:31

longer ron, or rather his better half, has control! ;)

.

Nice little story :)

Thanks Jhieminga but I am afraid we will have to be boring and say OH :(

grizzled

5th Jul 2020, 01:04

Thanks Jhieminga!

That story is a wonderful bit of aviation history -- and a great example of why it's worth visiting pprune, and specifically the history and Nostalgia forum.

fauteuil volant

9th Jul 2020, 16:53

More than five days after open house was declared and so that this thread doesn't fall off a cliff edge, here's something very easy to be going on with.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x465/wafa_bb84995a5ef340999b06a34d9f4c8db132f0c905.jpg

Haraka

9th Jul 2020, 18:01

Good job it's just a Hobby eh?

wub

9th Jul 2020, 19:27

Good job it's just a Hobby eh?

And it goes for Miles

fauteuil volant

9th Jul 2020, 21:16

Give them an easy one and they are all over it!
I'll leave you two to decide, between yourselves, who is responsible for posting the next mystery.

FlightlessParrot

10th Jul 2020, 04:12

Haraka

10th Jul 2020, 07:26

What a remarkably pretty aeroplane. BTW, in cruising around the internet looking it up, I came across Maxine "Blossom" Miles, who was responsible for the design of the Sparrowhawk. Is it known if she had anything to do with the Hobby?
Blossom certainly was NOT responsible for the retractable undercarriage,according to Don Lambert Brown in his Putnam Miles book
OH from me BTY.l

fauteuil volant

10th Jul 2020, 12:16

As to the Hobby's retractable undercarriage, Don Brown said that F.G.Miles 'decided to farm out its design and construction to a firm specializing in that work'. It was considerate of him not to say who the specialist firm was - having regard to the fact that the undercarriage it designed wouldn't retract into the wing rebates designed to accept it, which deprived the Hobby of the chance to compete in the 1937 Kings Cup race.

It appears that, by default, responsibility to post the next challenge falls to wub.

wub

10th Jul 2020, 13:14

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x712/idef3_b5648b11fc042e194b20faf6ea6a3ed16be0af9a.jpg

ea200

10th Jul 2020, 13:32

That is the AK-1 Fethi now in the Turkish airforce museum Ankara. The name was the giveaway. Fethi (after whom the Turkish resort of Fethiye was named) was the first Turkish pilot. Killed attempting a flight from Istanbul to Cairo in a Bleriot. Two of these were built and flown in 2001.

wub

10th Jul 2020, 16:03

Well Googled sir, over to you....

ea200

11th Jul 2020, 16:50

Sorry for the delay. Let's try this one. Shouldn't last long.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x225/aero_36bdb96d72ffc76611c0dede2b03bf9790fe95e4.jpg

zetec2

12th Jul 2020, 16:34

Looks like the bastard son of a Pilatus P2 and an Hindustan HT2

ea200

12th Jul 2020, 17:29

I can see your point. The P2 not so much, especially around the nose. Had to look up the HT2. AFAIK this aircraft has no connection to either.

wub

12th Jul 2020, 22:20

Looks a bit Zlin-ish

ea200

12th Jul 2020, 23:21

Not a Zlin. Clue tomorrow if needed.

longer ron

13th Jul 2020, 08:22

Hi ea200
My other half has ID'd it as an MKEK - 4 Uğur
Designed by Türk Hava Kurumu and although all metal - probably partly based around the Miles Magister (look at side view LOL),powered by a good old Dripsy Major.

OH if correct.

ea200

13th Jul 2020, 13:32

Mrs Ron strikes again! It is indeed the MKEK. Passing simularity to quite a few other types of that era.

Open house has been declared.

Self loading bear

14th Jul 2020, 18:24

Please give the aircraft type bottom left here and the airport in the other thread
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x640/4c124d70_8359_471d_b08a_8b215bf80150_18cb49bbf4e3eecf534a1b1 5b44d7261931bc2e5.jpeg

Jhieminga

14th Jul 2020, 19:22

I'll go with the Pander P-2.

Self loading bear

15th Jul 2020, 16:56

I'll go with the Pander P-2.

Correct Pander P-2
You still can take the double.

Jhieminga

15th Jul 2020, 19:19

I'll leave the location to someone else, and here's another challenge:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x561/aeroplane_200715_69cc26319254903cca5e67d70d16df95f9f7cb6b.jp g

Herod

15th Jul 2020, 21:39

No idea, but it's a pretty looking machine. A real "gentleman's horseless carriage" ; and room for one's lady friend as well.

sablatnic

17th Jul 2020, 04:50

Looks a bit like a Donnet Leveque, but so does half a zillion other flying boats of that era.
Still googling

Jhieminga

17th Jul 2020, 19:02

It is not a Donnet Leveque.

Jhieminga

19th Jul 2020, 20:33

... but there is a link to the Donnet Leveque (I learned that today).

SMOKEON

20th Jul 2020, 07:17

Danish Orlogsvaerft Maagen 3 Flyingboat.

Jhieminga

20th Jul 2020, 08:02

... is the correct answer.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x674/maagen_3_20090222_f9babb2c47a6b23ff6a9748f0e761a06358a807e.j pg

That means.... SMOKEON.... GO (sorry, couldn't resist that one ;)).

SMOKEON

20th Jul 2020, 09:23

Thank you,Jhieminga.
Quite a few clues in your original photograph.
O/H.

fauteuil volant

20th Jul 2020, 09:43

..... except that you haven't explained, Jhieminga, how your clue relates to the answer, namely that the Orlogsværftet 'Maagen' III derived from the Danes' modification of the Schreck FBA Type A (Orlogsværftet 'Maagen' II) which used Donnet Lévêque patented designs in its construction (although some sources say the Danes operated Donnet-Lévêque Type As)(see http://www.natureandtech.com/?cat=38). Or at least I believe that to be the case. The nomenclature of French pre-1919 hydravions verges on the impenetrable!

Jhieminga

20th Jul 2020, 11:10

My apologies, I must admit that I'm out of my depth here. But I understood from my Google wanderings that the Danish Navy purchased two Donnet Leveque flying boats thanks to a private funding exercise, and named them 'Maagen' and 'Ternen'. I haven't been able to dig into this any further, but with the subject aircraft named Maagen 3, I figured that there was a link between it and that Donnet Leveque 'Maagen'. As you stated, there is also a 'Maagen 2' which, from the photos I have seen and my visit to the Teknikse Museum, is much closer in configuration to (or is) the Schreck FBA type A as you stated. I may have inferred the link...

fauteuil volant

20th Jul 2020, 11:22

I think, Jhieminga, that nearly everyone is out of their depth in this particular pool. Even the acknowledged experts, on a French aviation history forum I frequent, presently are seeking help concerning two hitherto unknown French WW1 hydravions. However I think it fair to say that there is a connection between Donnet-Lévêque and the Maagen III - but what is far from clear is the number of links in and the length of the chain that connects them!

Jhieminga

20th Jul 2020, 11:31

Thanks, that helps! :ok: It wasn't just me who got confused then.
Quite a few clues in your original photograph.
I figured converting to B&W would at least make the Danish roundels more difficult to recognise. Can't make things too easy for you lot. Did I forget any others?

fauteuil volant

23rd Jul 2020, 15:12

No takers? Enter a breach stepper! This one is known by at least two names. I'll take either, both or another (if there are more than two names!).

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1140x712/4bare_62d2afbd6691408565ef6b778dd709f0e9dfd874.jpg

fauteuil volant

24th Jul 2020, 16:31

It had its origins pre-WWII, evolved post-WWII and was further adapted at the end of the fifties. It was powered by a 40hp nine cylinder Salmson engine.

Self loading bear

24th Jul 2020, 21:14

It had its origins pre-WWII, evolved post-WWII and was further adapted at the end of the fifties. It was powered by a 40hp nine cylinder Salmson engine.

interesting challenge
I found the low elevator with the cut of rudder is quite typical for some designs of Peyret-Mauboissin
but no final answer yet.

fauteuil volant

25th Jul 2020, 07:30

You're in the right country, SLB, but this one is more artisanal that anything Peyret-Mauboussin produced. The Salmson replaced an earlier 35hp Anzani and the fuselage had its origins in a Mignet HM.8.

SMOKEON

25th Jul 2020, 16:53

Fellot-Lacour (FL.4) ?

fauteuil volant

25th Jul 2020, 21:24

When this picture was taken, it had become the Amicale d'Aviation Légère 04, which derived from the Fellot-Lacour FL.4 F-PJCV, which originated from the FL.3 F-PBGV and which had its origins in the 1938 FL.2 and which was constructed from a Mignet HM.8 fuselage. Isn't life simple when it comes to French aeroplanes! But as I said, it had more than one designation and you've got one of those. So away you go, Smokeon.

sycamore

25th Jul 2020, 22:27

fv, out of interest where was the pic taken,as it looks like the tail of a Percy Prince behind the nose,a possible Walrus fuselage,and a couple of T-Moths,and `LTD` on the hangar door...?UK possibly..?

fauteuil volant

26th Jul 2020, 07:06

Sorry, sycamore, I can't help you with that. The photograph appeared in issue 127 of the magazine Avions but I don't have that and found the photograph online. However I'd be surprised if F-PJCV spent any time in the UK. As the AAL 04 it was based at Lyon-Bron, its registration being cancelled in 1962 as destroyed.

SMOKEON

26th Jul 2020, 07:16

Thank you.
Open House.

DownWest

26th Jul 2020, 09:05

Hope you don't mind some Fred Drift, but Mignet's grandson lives not far from here and he showed me round the buildings where he built the later versions of the canards. I didn't realise that they were developed up to quite recently. But he had trouble getting insurance after an accident, so shut down .
http://avions.mignet.free.fr/anglais/HM-1100-Cordouan.php

DW

Zaxis

26th Jul 2020, 12:15

To pick up on Sycamore's Prince observation. It could be this
SAPA Paris | Southend Airport Aviation Database (http://saadonline.uk/archives/6786)

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x624/sapa_prince_f_bjaj_1_42e2a5b4b5a37181bb5ce4857c78a35831e6ada 8.jpg

fauteuil volant

26th Jul 2020, 13:06

To the best of my knowledge, the only two French registered Princes, F-BJAI and G-BJAJ, operated from Paris-le Bourget whilst with SAPA (although most of their time they were either away globetrotting and/or registered in other countries - see ADASTRA AERIAL SURVEYS - VH-AGF (http://www.adastron.com/adastra/aircraft/prince/vh-agf.htm)), which is a long way from Lyon. Thus I suspect that it is not one of these in the background of the photograph of F-PJCV (furthermore the tail markings don't tally). However I haven't had the time to go through my books to see if there were any French post-war light transport aeroplanes with tails similar to the Prince.

Jhieminga

26th Jul 2020, 14:49

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x294/aeroplane_200726_b3045c1937efc365efa4ca5b1552ee3f18e21ac6.jp g

piesupper

27th Jul 2020, 18:00

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x294/aeroplane_200726_b3045c1937efc365efa4ca5b1552ee3f18e21ac6.jp g
I saw this and thought of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFmTMHkjPM0

treadigraph

27th Jul 2020, 20:52

I've got a feeling one of those visited the PFA at Cranfield one year in the 80s/90s, I'm sure I recall something very similar.

Cubs2jets

27th Jul 2020, 21:04

Manned or un-manned?

John Scott

Jhieminga

28th Jul 2020, 07:18

It can carry two occupants, a manned type.

sablatnic

28th Jul 2020, 07:23

I've got a feeling one of those visited the PFA at Cranfield one year in the 80s/90s, I'm sure I recall something very similar.

You aren't thinking of the Lockspeiser?

treadigraph

28th Jul 2020, 10:03

You aren't thinking of the Lockspeiser?
Definitely not, very familiar with that machine.

fauteuil volant

28th Jul 2020, 16:26

Well, googling museum tailless canard high wing pusher monoplane draws a blank! :hmm:

Self loading bear

28th Jul 2020, 19:20

Well, googling museum tailless canard high wing pusher monoplane draws a blank! :hmm:

googling ultralight canard pusher winglets
gives
Falconar Golden Hawk
or it’s predecessor American Aerolights Falcon

fauteuil volant

28th Jul 2020, 19:51

If I have, I'm glad to have provided inspiration!

Jhieminga

28th Jul 2020, 20:33

Right, as I'm unable to find a link between the subject aircraft and the American Aerolights Falcon, but seeing as they're terribly similar in configuration and several small details, Self loading bear has control. I'm pretty sure that this is a further derivative from that first design, but cannot confirm it.

The subject aircraft is registered as an AERO FALCON INTERNATIONAL INC - KNIGHT FALCON. I can find only two of these in the FAA database, both deregistered. The photo was taken by me at the Vintage Flying Museum in Fort Worth.
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=401ES
https://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/001053835.html
Any additional information is welcome, as I'm curious too by now!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x378/dsc_0813_crop_d1ba410c9bdbf10e4d933eec744d9618cefd0df8.jpg
The only clues on the photo are the registration and 'Knight Falcon' just underneath the transparency.

treadigraph

28th Jul 2020, 21:05

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falconar_Golden_Hawk

Pics of the Cranfield visitor G-BUYF in 1994: Registered as a Harris RW Falcon XP ex N512AA... American Aerolights was the plans or kit supplier. I flew in to the PFA that year and didn't stay more than two or three hours which was a rush :p but memory says it may have been there with its US reg a year or two earlier.

https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/registration/G-BUYF

Self loading bear

29th Jul 2020, 11:57

Thanks Jelle,

I am not able to find the missing link between the two. Indeed a bit curious.

Lets continue with:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/697x472/604fafa1_fe95_4ffb_a667_b86bea372500_7c9ab1456e6ee2ba792aa0a 83e57a902812c1ba9.jpeg

Jhieminga

29th Jul 2020, 17:23

That would be the Eklund TE-1.

treadigraph

29th Jul 2020, 19:00

That would be the Eklund TE-1.
Designed by a Britt? :p

Self loading bear

29th Jul 2020, 20:28

That would be the Eklund TE-1.

Definitely the Eklund.
over to you.

Jhieminga

30th Jul 2020, 09:19

Thanks! Let's see how long this one will last:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x665/aeroplane_200730_f8eda7a90e07c2554855f332c73b0021cfd5484e.jp g

fauteuil volant

2nd Aug 2020, 08:22

Perhaps a clue might help to ease this thread out of stasis?

Jhieminga

2nd Aug 2020, 14:37

I'll start with 'look to the east' and will try to answer questions then.

fauteuil volant

3rd Aug 2020, 09:59

Norwich or China?

Jhieminga

3rd Aug 2020, 10:08

Norwich is west of your location, if your profile is correct.... ;) Further East than the UK/France/Netherlands. China is too far (please make a u-turn...).

fauteuil volant

3rd Aug 2020, 10:26

Norwich is west of your location, if your profile is correct.... ;)

Indeed - but I didn't realise that the clue was 'me specific'! :)

I'll start looking along a line between Germany and Tajikistan. That should narrow the field!

Self loading bear

3rd Aug 2020, 13:33

I will stab at the Raab-Katzenstein probably the RK-2
Strut and wheel support look the same.
powered by Salmson 9AB?

Jhieminga

3rd Aug 2020, 14:03

It is not a Raab-Katzenstein type and the engine is not a Salmson. Both aircraft and engine were designed and built in the same country.

fauteuil volant

3rd Aug 2020, 14:27

Letov S-218 (Walter NZ-120 engine) in the Czech Aviation Museum at Kbely, Prague (I found it by virtue of the museum's propensity to display its aircraft on artificial grass!).

Jhieminga

3rd Aug 2020, 15:23

Full marks to fauteuil volant for correctly identifying the Letov S.218 Smolik! :ok: I'll make sure to edit out the grass the next time :E

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x665/dsc_5053_letovs_218smolik_resize_0db0148df062fc2756b91d05a98 010f34eb4d085.jpg

fauteuil volant

3rd Aug 2020, 15:48

Thank you, Jhieminga. I noted that you had edited out the aeroplane whose tail features in the background to your photograph. The Czech tripartite roundel might have led me to the Letov sooner than the artificial green grass!

Just to ring the changes, the next offering is an interior view. If this stumps everyone, then I'll post an exterior one.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1325/beard_5fcb4a5e8e56626be5545c488499ed09b1b5d01b.jpg

treadigraph

3rd Aug 2020, 16:26

Nord 3400?

fauteuil volant

3rd Aug 2020, 18:42

Blimey, treadigraph. That's impressive. It is the Norbarbe. Over to Croydon!

treadigraph

3rd Aug 2020, 19:05

Not sure I've actually seen one but the general arrangement just seemed to fit...

Have a go at this...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x450/westfall_spangler_10_300x450_479750e8e13f7b3848debf78443daae 6ea1853df.jpg

treadigraph

4th Aug 2020, 07:45

Not around much today until later this evening, so a quick hint: it IS American!

India Four Two

4th Aug 2020, 15:47

Well, it took me a while, even when searching for "reverse stagger biplanes" but I think I've found it - the Westfall Biplane aka the Westfall Special W-7:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/432x193/westf_w7_ea090a0461be40d51e05584fd2e934c147a394ec.jpg

Westfall Special W-7 (http://all-aero.com/index.php/56-planes-v-w/17239-westfall-special-w-7)

treadigraph

4th Aug 2020, 18:20

Correct! You have control!

India Four Two

4th Aug 2020, 21:47

A "tricycle mini-Pawnee"?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/547x352/wfm_2020_08_04_aebe738dfef84035043105527f843d59e9ac7a7f.jpg

Self loading bear

6th Aug 2020, 11:58

This is the Stits Playmate?
I am still looking for the staples in the centerfold

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/272x185/4e3fc144_0d55_4aea_855d_d5ad555a0bdc_808473a273ae5613c2a62b5 1533ff9ccef7d8667.jpeg

India Four Two

7th Aug 2020, 00:05

That's the one, Slb. I had never seen a picture of one with the wings folded. The struts make sense now.

You have the con.

Self loading bear

7th Aug 2020, 08:35

Thanks India,
Not so much strutted low wings to choose from.

Now this:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x429/2bbd1601_6fbc_4f06_aa76_79944db31dcc_82ff318f74d720b3b104e41 48613a1a6cc0e3224.jpeg

fauteuil volant

7th Aug 2020, 08:56

I'll take a guess at the Planet Satellite.

Self loading bear

7th Aug 2020, 09:56

I'll take a guess at the Planet Satellite.

That’s quick
The fuselage was also used for the Firth helicopter.
Fauteuil has the lead.

fauteuil volant

7th Aug 2020, 11:23

That’s quick

There weren't many aircraft in the forties that looked like that!

I apologise for the quality of the photograph below. There aren't many pictures of this aeroplane.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1464x690/nelly_7dc20ec3eed58e2a696080466401911c24651b73.jpg

fauteuil volant

8th Aug 2020, 06:57

At the time it must have been something of a rarity - at least, in Europe - being home built twin and a pusher.

treadigraph

8th Aug 2020, 08:40

I've certainly seen pictures of it before - probably at Oshkosh in the '70s - but no idea what it is...

fauteuil volant

8th Aug 2020, 08:46

You may have seen pictures of it before, treadigraph, but certainly not at Oshkosh. I don't think that, during its very short life, it ever flew outside its country of origin (which is a long way from Wisconsin).

treadigraph

8th Aug 2020, 09:31

Hmmm. French?

fauteuil volant

8th Aug 2020, 09:43

Bien sûr, monsieur T!

fauteuil volant

8th Aug 2020, 17:13

This aeroplane survived less than a month between its first flight and the crash which saw its demise and that of its designer/builder.

kcockayne

8th Aug 2020, 21:45

I have no idea as to what it is, but there seems to be a look of Piaggio about the windscreen.

fauteuil volant

9th Aug 2020, 07:49

cavuman1

9th Aug 2020, 19:08

Easy one:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x450/bizarre_aircraft_15_0114_de_42d3f18a15a506c36f52321d2d8d11d9 8371bef4.jpg

I'm out of breath....

- Ed

Hint: My uncle was the President and CEO of B.F. Goodrich. In his spacious office, behind his large carved desk, was a 4'x6' portrait of a nearly clear cerulean sky populated with puffy cumuli. The brass nameplate proclaimed it to be "The Goodrich Blimp"!

Jhieminga

10th Aug 2020, 08:10

The Goodyear Inflatoplane! OH if correct.

treadigraph

10th Aug 2020, 08:33

As it seems that few are willing to take a stab at this one and thus it isn't going to be identified in the short term, it's time to reveal and move on. It's the Barbaro RB.70 F-PTEL which first flew at Pau on 30 June 1972 and crashed, killing its designer/constructor René Barbaro and two others, at Montargis on 29 July 1972. Open house, please.
Given it's brief history and all before I started taking a bigger interest in things beyond Cessnas, Pipers and airliners, weird that I recall the type so well. Wonder where I saw the pic?

Self loading bear

12th Aug 2020, 15:26

Not much takers for the open house?
Lets try this:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x476/6c9b3c0d_524b_4548_a83f_6f6ef57bd95c_a4276c7d58aa2a51edf48cb 39f734bd0cd52a710.jpeg

fauteuil volant

12th Aug 2020, 15:55

No, don't tell me, all those seemingly fixed wings rotate! :hmm:

treadigraph

12th Aug 2020, 16:48

The Flying Flicknife...

fauteuil volant

12th Aug 2020, 17:14

Swiss Army version?

By_Tor

12th Aug 2020, 17:20

Aeronix Airelle?

Self loading bear

12th Aug 2020, 18:33

Swiss Army version?

Those are red.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/456x280/0e018f87_2101_42f3_994a_ea7d2a478394_d7fcc5a3448573d141c14ac 202e5f6a5fe3e86f9.jpeg

Jhieminga

12th Aug 2020, 18:58

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeronix_Airelle

Self loading bear

12th Aug 2020, 20:55

Jelle that is correct.
But do yoo know the other name for this plane as well?
Because if I am informed correctly this is one of the successors.
you can take the lead.

FlightlessParrot

13th Aug 2020, 02:10

What would be the efficiency of the pusher prop in that bizarre machine? It looks like the air it's working in would be very dirty indeed.

Edited to add: I've just realised that it's channelling the Pou-du-Ciel, though they say the modern stuff is much stronger than when I last inhaled.

Jhieminga

13th Aug 2020, 07:49

I see that By_Tor beat me to it, his post was delayed as he’s new here. I’ll let him come up with a challenge first. I’ve got one standing by if needed...

No idea about the other name I’m afraid.

Self loading bear

13th Aug 2020, 10:57

By-Tor
welcome on this thread.
as you have been the first correct replier, you may stage the next challenge
If you have a problem with linking photos I will help you if you send a pm.
If you have no challenge yet please say so then Jelle Hieminga (nr 2 replier) will fill the gap.

the Aironix Airelle lives on as the Eulair Twin2

Jhieminga

13th Aug 2020, 15:42

What would be the efficiency of the pusher prop in that bizarre machine? It looks like the air it's working in would be very dirty indeed.
I understand it’s a flapped wing, which is interesting in itself on a canard, but with the flaps down I don’t see that rear prop doing much beyond 30% of what it’s capable of. Just a guess of course. It’s got two small engines, you might well get the same or better performance from a single O-200 if you’d have a good place to mount it.

By_Tor

13th Aug 2020, 21:34

I've tried posting a new challenge but I think something went wrong, so better make it an OH.

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Until you have a posting history you don't have access to private messaging and adding urls.

fauteuil volant

14th Aug 2020, 16:31

I think, By Tor, that when you have made ten posts then you acquire the right to post attachments here. But until then, rather than refrain from posting your challenge, you could, if you wish, send the image to me and I'll post it for you and refrain from the competition. If that appeals to you, please send me a PM to let me know and I'll reply with my e-mail address so that you can send your image to me as an attachment. Then if you make a point of giving us nine clues in quick succession, you'll be ready to post your next challenge!

Self loading bear

14th Aug 2020, 17:08

Fauteuil,

By-tor also has no right to PM yet.
Jelle has something ready and can go ahead.
I hope By-Tor will soon reach 10 posts so he can join in the challenges.

fauteuil volant

14th Aug 2020, 17:33

Thank you, SLB. I didn't realise quite how draconian the regime is for newbies. Maybe By Tor should make nine consecutive posts which say no more than:

nine to go
eight to go
seven to go
..... !

Jhieminga

14th Aug 2020, 17:53

I'll break the impasse and put this one up. I thought we'd stay in the canard family...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/774x437/aeroplane_200814_0f825f3be57f0e1ae8f5b9c32f8914ebacf7e581.jp g
Ask lots of questions By_tor.... I know from another thread that moderators are not that happy about posts purely for the sake of increasing your post count (am I allowed to use the term?).

asw28-866

14th Aug 2020, 23:10

Gosh, is it a "Bi-canard", "Cantriplane"? I imagine the aerodynamic interaction between to two Canard aerofoils is interesting?

FlightlessParrot

15th Aug 2020, 01:08

I'll break the impasse and put this one up. I thought we'd stay in the canard family...

Another canard ... from the Netherlands ... ? Canard a l'orange?

fauteuil volant

15th Aug 2020, 07:10

Surely judging by the positioning of the two forward winglets it must be a nenadovich biplane canard. And if one assumes that the lower undercarriage struts also are lifting surfaces, well ..... !

treadigraph

15th Aug 2020, 07:45

Another canard ... from the Netherlands ... ? Canard a l'orange?
Canard? Yes it is difficult isn't it....:p

Another pic I recognise but can't recollect the type. Sorta reminds me of the Libellula which maybe confoosing me.

Self loading bear

15th Aug 2020, 07:45

I think it is a Camping built plane?
At least he forgot to take out his Camping chair!

FlightlessParrot

15th Aug 2020, 08:27

I think it is a Camping built plane?
At least he forgot to take out his Camping chair!
The seat is rather like the front seats in the Citroen 2CV. I don't know if that is any sort of a clue.

fauteuil volant

15th Aug 2020, 09:27

Sorta reminds me of the Libellula which maybe confoosing me.

You may have something there, treadigraph, with the Miles connection. It looks as if the forward fuselage of that canard started life as that of a Gemini!

Jhieminga

15th Aug 2020, 14:42

Let me start with a disclaimer: I don't know a a lot about this type myself. I can confirm that it is not from The Netherlands though.... I'll leave you to ponder this a bit more.

fauteuil volant

15th Aug 2020, 17:32

What it is not is the Ambrosini SS.4 but this is the only tailless canard pusher of which I can think which had biplane (or probably, strictly speaking, nenadovich) forward flying surfaces.

Jhieminga

16th Aug 2020, 20:23

You’re right, it is not the Ambrosini SS.4, but you’re in the right country.

fauteuil volant

18th Aug 2020, 17:25

Even though we now know that it's Italian, it appears that we're all stumped. Another clue might help to ease the wheels .....

Jhieminga

18th Aug 2020, 18:10

The problem is that I am running out of clues.... does it help if I say that it was a one-off? Probably not.... I also found that it was designed in 1944.

Self loading bear

18th Aug 2020, 20:17

Bazzocchi EB.4

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/827x654/152b39eb_43cf_4bfd_8e51_5bf8e56800c9_38424fd6c07b610b18179b6 9394cff0237813f79.jpeg
Strange that it didn’t turn up when searching “Italy canard”
but does pop-up when searching “1944 canard Italy”

some more info on
More info EB.4 (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/17-The-Ongoing-Mystery-Aircraft-Thread-Part-Deux?p=1150788&viewfull=1)

Link from the link (https://gavs-torino.com/2015/03/26/taveggia-moscone/)

Jhieminga

18th Aug 2020, 20:26

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1537x941/78dtqe2_8a52068b7b733bc0265a6db66871ad0f7c05507e.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/574x446/screenshot_2020_08_18_at_22_23_49_aea48b5892ad69a4f98306756a a4f565a4e9b3e2.png
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x658/04_bestetti_eb_4_95cc0f316365a769e80996a8948405961aafd68b.jp g
I only had the May 1988 Aeroplane Monthly as the basis for this challenge (the second image) but have since found some more images of the Bestetti (or Bazzocchi) E.B.4. Self Loading Bear has control!

Self loading bear

19th Aug 2020, 07:42

Thanks,
That was a though one.
Now a rare glider (at least still flying)
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/549x280/2f9d43a0_b8ea_4a02_9af7_88da310a22a0_b729af525a26988e17625da ceb18f64496ab51f6.jpeg

fauteuil volant

19th Aug 2020, 08:53

Carden (Abbott)-Baynes Scud III?

Self loading bear

19th Aug 2020, 10:04

Carden (Abbott)-Baynes Scud III?

Indeed this example from 1935 appears to be still flying in the Netherlands.

Fauteuil in the lead.

fauteuil volant

19th Aug 2020, 10:55

Thank you, SLB. I presume that it is the former BGA 684.

Now the following is a bit of a cheat - but I'll explain why when it's been identified!

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/414x276/forty_77da383be4e868e20758f831d0840618a04704a4.jpg

Self loading bear

19th Aug 2020, 11:56

Villeroy & Boch
Flying bathtub

(Looks like a remake)

fauteuil volant

19th Aug 2020, 12:51

Villeroy & Boch? The country of origin of that company is the same as that of the designer of this aeroplane.

Bathtub? This aeroplane has nothing to do with Etienne Dormoy or the Aeronca C-2!

Remake? Well, I'll explain the cheat. That depicted is a 60% scale model but which was built from scaled down versions of the designer's original plans.

There was one full size version of this specific model that did fly - in a country not far from you, SLB. There may have been as many as four of the general type, from which this specific model originated, of which at least one is extant (I was in contact with its owner only yesterday).

fauteuil volant

19th Aug 2020, 17:04

You may not believe it but the aeroplane in question is designated a motor glider. I'd avoid the sink if I were in it!

p.s. I note that we've had both bath and sink in the same topic - we just need shower, toilet and bidet now!

fauteuil volant

21st Aug 2020, 06:28

The bath, the sink and soon I'll be throwing the towel in if no-one is prepared to take a stab at identifying this one!

treadigraph

21st Aug 2020, 07:42

I'd be flanneling if I hinted that I knew what it was...

ea200

21st Aug 2020, 08:20

Is it based on one of Sablier's designs?

fauteuil volant

21st Aug 2020, 08:38

Well done, ea200. It is one of Georges Sablier's designs. That was the hard bit. Identifying which one it is should be easy now.

ea200

21st Aug 2020, 08:56

Nearest I can get is a Type 4/52

fauteuil volant

21st Aug 2020, 09:42

You couldn't get any nearer, ea200, as the Sablier Type 4/52 is exactly what it is.

Attached below is another image of the 60% scale model of the Type 4/52 - with a 100% scale human being (José Garcia, who built the model) to put it in context - and an image of the only Type 4/52 (as opposed to the earlier Type 4s) to be built.

Your turn, please.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x800/sablier_model_3_7c5368eb54bedd3d3661f71ad7c24ab42de57298.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/517x365/sablier_type_4_52_5669c44a7b94db6244eaa81cf22d53ff1483e093.j pg

ea200

21st Aug 2020, 11:49

Thanks FV. M. Sablier was very productive it seems. Let's have a go at this one.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x241/image2108_c6123a81a332ee594e4ddca4d302b3550d4ec945.png

fauteuil volant

21st Aug 2020, 12:27

Thanks FV. M. Sablier was very productive it seems.

In terms of aircraft designed, yes. In terms of aircraft produced, much less so.

teusje

21st Aug 2020, 12:48

Is it the Fleet Finch 16?

ea200

21st Aug 2020, 13:07

Is it the Fleet Finch 16?

Good enough. It's actually a Fleet Model 10 which spawned a number of variants including the 16. Good spot.

Teusje has control.

teusje

21st Aug 2020, 13:13

Thank you ea200, the Model 10 seemed to have the wrong engine to me.
Here's the next one.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/749x544/pprune_60a18abc24404ea2d3a31c391c993fbeb4dbc6ec.jpg

ea200

21st Aug 2020, 13:36

I am not sure what variant of the 10 it is, but the Canadian Aerospace Museum says it's a 10. There is some engine commonality between the 10 and the 16 models notably the Kinner and Warner Super Scarab.

Herod

21st Aug 2020, 20:51

Guys; there's a chap posting a query on the thread titled "WWI Plane" If anyone can help him it will be one of you.

fauteuil volant

22nd Aug 2020, 06:37

Is your mystery, teusje, the Jacuzzi J-7 Reo?

teusje

22nd Aug 2020, 08:34

That's right, it is the Jacuzzi J-7 Reo. Only one was built, and when it crashed killing one of the founders of the company, it was decided to get out of the aircraft business.

You have control, fauteuil volant

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x299/3_e5305102b9711be52c8db6982d2891d67fcd799f.jpg

fauteuil volant

22nd Aug 2020, 11:27

Thank you, teusje. However I think that the Jacuzzi brothers made a sound business move when they gave up aviation for hot tubs!

I apologise for the quality of the following image, which is taken from a newspaper. It's from a designer of whom much could have been expected had he not been killed in action in 1939.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x897/siege_b372537282f08641fa348fc8bf43dba133195d2e.jpg

fauteuil volant

23rd Aug 2020, 13:58

This aeroplane was modified, as below (with apologies for the equally poor quality image), before it disappeared into the aeronautical black hole that was called the German Occupation.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/586x271/siegetoo_ce5cd3f1f4e97255011afd8f9fdbf97249561cfb.jpg

fauteuil volant

24th Aug 2020, 08:33

It started life with a 30hp Poinsard, which was replaced by a 40hp Train. After the designer's death, his widow married the designer of the Nord 262.

Jhieminga

24th Aug 2020, 08:40

We'll go with the Trébucien Sport then. Had to dig up my non-existent knowledge of the French language but got there in the end...;) OH if correct.

fauteuil volant

24th Aug 2020, 09:03

You've gone in precisely the right direction, Jhieminga! I've seen it described to as the Trébucien Sport and the Trébucien XI - but if the latter is correct, I don't know what happened to the other ten as this is the only aircraft designed by Sgt. Jean Jacques Henri Trébucien (it was constructed by SFCA) of which I'm aware. Trébucien was killed at Villacoublay on 4 December 1939 when a badly stowed observer's parachute caught in the slipstream of his Potez 25, causing it to dive in and crash through the roof of a nearby house. Looking at the design of the Sport, had he survived the war I could see him having gone down a road similar to that of Roger Druine and Jean Delmontez. His widow married Max Holste.

We wait the next enigma from you, Jhieminga (oops, sorry, I've just noticed that you've declared open house)!

teusje

26th Aug 2020, 16:32

As an Open House has been declared, I would like to you to name this flying machine.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x459/1_e78991fabfb63b503fe212c8177b4954f0437875.jpg

fauteuil volant

26th Aug 2020, 16:37

Valmet VL Viima?

teusje

26th Aug 2020, 16:41

That was really quick, FV. That's it.
You have control.

fauteuil volant

26th Aug 2020, 16:58

Thank you, teusje. Now here's a sporty looking sesquiplane to which someone, surely, can put a name ..... ?

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1420x861/moose_471a91b85f6507b199f24f55a71da05b46350723.jpg

fauteuil volant

27th Aug 2020, 17:36

The French prototypical registration is something of a red herring. Whilst it indicates where it ended up, it deceives as to its origin - where it wasn't fitted with a 90hp Cirrus engine and didn't have a second seat.

teusje

27th Aug 2020, 18:20

I guess that would make it the Mulot AM.220 Sport?

fauteuil volant

27th Aug 2020, 19:17

Which would be a correct guess. I do try to oblige with something reasonably local to the regulars! Over to Holland.

teusje

27th Aug 2020, 19:46

Thank you fauteuil volant. Let's try this one. Should be easy enough.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x436/2_e031cc03da610e5aac93cafe268a2deaa7372b25.jpg

Jhieminga

28th Aug 2020, 08:05

Carley Werkspoor Jumbo, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werkspoor_Jumbo

Open house again.

teusje

28th Aug 2020, 10:40

That's the one, Jelle has declared Open House.

Jhieminga

1st Sep 2020, 06:56

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/636x426/aircraft_200901_6f4be1871aefe4571949132395b8e407671be239.jpg
Allright, I'll upload an easy one then...

old,not bold

1st Sep 2020, 09:21

Vought V-326? Pressurised Corsair testbed with turbo-charger.

OH if right...I'm away sailing for a week.

Jhieminga

1st Sep 2020, 11:44

As I said, an easy one... ;)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/699x325/kx61l9ncv3w31_5ff12cf860203c433ac4e39dee3a72aa95ee7e48.jpg
Vought 326, seen here with the R-4360 engine.

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/vought-v-326-the-corsairs-straight-winged-brother-1731973978/amp
https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/h7inh9/vought_v326a_a_corsair_with_four_seats_and_a/
Open house again!

washoutt

2nd Sep 2020, 09:09

Amazing small diameter engine for some 4000 hp!

Archer4

2nd Sep 2020, 11:16

Amazing small diameter engine for some 4000 hp!

Check the 2 pictures again. They have a completely different engine cowling. The second picture is probably a very early version with a smaller engine.

DaveReidUK

2nd Sep 2020, 12:05

Check the 2 pictures again. They have a completely different engine cowling. The second picture is probably a very early version with a smaller engine.

One may be the V-326 and the other the V-326A.

fauteuil volant

2nd Sep 2020, 12:11

Is someone going to post the next challenge?

Jhieminga

2nd Sep 2020, 14:05

Check the 2 pictures again. They have a completely different engine cowling. The second picture is probably a very early version with a smaller engine.
It was originally built to test the R-4360 but flew with different engines at a later stage.

teusje

2nd Sep 2020, 14:43

Here's the next challenge.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/709x452/1_d511569abcd105b852d98a6c88558ad9aa25de8e.jpg

fauteuil volant

2nd Sep 2020, 16:54

It is Theo Slot's delightful little one man flying boat, the De Schelde Scheldemeeuw.

Addendum: I thought we'd had the Scheldemeuuw recently and when I checked we did, back in March (q.v. post #1107)

teusje

2nd Sep 2020, 17:28

I should have checked but didn't. You got it fauteuil volant, over to you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Schelde_Scheldemusch

fauteuil volant

3rd Sep 2020, 06:33

Thank you, teusje. As I shall be occupied today, it's best I declare open house. If that invitation has not been taken up by this evening, I'll try to find a next challenge then.

washoutt

3rd Sep 2020, 07:42

@ Archer, the size of the propeller suggests an large horsepower, therefore the small diameter is striking in my view. The other version with the large diameter engine is of course totally different, I agree.

treadigraph

3rd Sep 2020, 08:45

Allan Lupton

3rd Sep 2020, 09:56

The R4360 has four rows of seven cylinders, the R2800 on the original Corsair which I assume powered the original version, has two rows of nine, so a slimmer package on the more powerful engine seems likely. The F2G Corsair with the the R4360 is very similar to the F4U at the front, while the V-326 installation looks almost like the Dart on the HS748 and G1 or the several Dart P-51s that appeared briefly around 1970.

Never heard of the V-326, nor, as far as I can see, has Wikipedia! :} Good educational thread this...
The R4360 and R2800 would have been similar in overall diameter - reducing the number of cylinders/row would make little difference and the cylinder heads were different.
Secondly, I think you may be confusing the abbreviation DaveReidUK used for the aeroplane (Vought 326) with the US terminology for the engines (e.g. V1710).

FlightlessParrot

3rd Sep 2020, 11:11

The R4360 and R2800 would have been similar in overall diameter - reducing the number of cylinders/row would make little difference and the cylinder heads were different.

I think the difference in diameter of the engine is not as great as the difference in the cowling. The V-326 (with the R2800) has a big chin inlet; the V-326A (with the R4360, and I hope I've got that the right way round) does not have that lower inlet. A quick eyeballing of diameter of front of cowling against wheel size suggests they are not as different as they at first appear, allowing for that difference, and of course the V-326A cowling is a lot longer, which enhances the appearance of slimness. Anybody fancy a bit of photogrammetry?

treadigraph

3rd Sep 2020, 12:04

The R4360 and R2800 would have been similar in overall diameter - reducing the number of cylinders/row would make little difference and the cylinder heads were different.
Secondly, I think you may be confusing the abbreviation DaveReidUK used for the aeroplane (Vought 326) with the US terminology for the engines (e.g. V1710).

Certainly surprised that the diameters would be similar - would have thought another couple of pots per row would make quite difference! The only time I've seen either engine close up out of an airframe was a part-sectioned R-4360 at a museum in the US. I was quite surprised how relatively small it seemed compared with what I'd imagined!

Sorry, I meant to refer to the V-326 in the same way as Dave, as the aircraft type.

Jhieminga

3rd Sep 2020, 14:45

There's a photo in the gallery on this page: V-326 and V-326A (http://vought.org/photo/html/pv-326.html) that shows the R-2800 powered one (the VS-326 as far as I can tell) from the front, allowing a comparison with the R-4360 powered VS-326A.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x400/1599144390_785e5250ddb7fe3870e3d3612641937d4bcbbf07.jpeg
R-4360 engine... a lot of moving parts in a pretty compact format. I shudder to think of having to change the spark plugs on one of them, a C-97 uses four....

fauteuil volant

3rd Sep 2020, 15:25

Interesting discussion but back to the core purpose of this thread. No-one having taken up my open house offer and being back at my desk again, I'll take matters forward with a neat little parasol wing monoplane.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1305x570/kulcher_4c37328ee3ab31576e3c4e826855fc1fdad01992.jpg

washoutt

4th Sep 2020, 08:13

Yes interesting discussion. Thanks for the various insights, Fellow Members.

fauteuil volant

4th Sep 2020, 17:24

Having regard to its history, one might describe this as a 'stealth' monoplane!

fauteuil volant

5th Sep 2020, 16:41

Hull's finest? Designed, built and flown by a dirt track rider nicknamed 'Nippy'!

fauteuil volant

6th Sep 2020, 15:40

Last try to elicit some sort of response!

First flew in 1939. Originally powered by a 350cc Douglas motorcycle engine. Latterly it had an ABC Scorpion up front. 'Nippy' never bothered the ARB concerning the niceties of registration, CofA, etc.. The aeroplane does not seem to have survived the war. However 'Nippy' survived until 1976.

Self loading bear

6th Sep 2020, 18:01

Camsell monoplane

I just started searching this evening.
It seems everybody has taken a week off?
Even with your latest directions it was quite some search.

fauteuil volant

6th Sep 2020, 18:56

Well done, SLB. You have it. C'est à toi!

Self loading bear

6th Sep 2020, 19:25

Well done, SLB. You have it. C'est à toi!

Thanks I found references on
Key aero (https://www.key.aero/forum/historic-aviation/105268-camsell-monoplane)

please stand-by for the next challenge.
I will have to make some retouches on a photo.

Self loading bear

6th Sep 2020, 19:36

There it is:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/749x761/5b972a01_3ebf_4c66_92ea_1920b26d98bd_ffbc8c4c3344d702a811631 d363ab9936d36b7a2.jpeg

washoutt

7th Sep 2020, 09:28

Does it have four wheels tucked under the belly 737 style? But the engines also show wheel doors. Very strange!

Jhieminga

7th Sep 2020, 11:00

Hmm... this is one of those 'I know I've seen that somewhere' situations....

Edit: It's a variant of the Elbit/Silver Arrow Hermes 1500 UAV. The 'regular' Hermes 1500 lacks the widened fuselage and ventral fin, so this is a mission specific variant, but I haven't been able to find out which variant.

Self loading bear

7th Sep 2020, 18:20

It is indeed a variant on the Hermes 1500 Silver Arrow.
Probably an early variant.
And I saved it on my list of possible challenges just because of the quad/tricycle confusion.

Jelle please play ball.

Jhieminga

8th Sep 2020, 12:09

A ball of string? Lots of strings on this aerial conveyance...
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x727/aeroplane_200908_2cd757e19c1a6300ee878d188f363a1e655fa9ee.jp g

FlightlessParrot

8th Sep 2020, 12:20

That is a Dunne, and a quick Google reveals that it is the Burgess-Dunne of 1914.

Open House, please.

Jhieminga

8th Sep 2020, 12:57

The Burgess-Dunne Seaplane (of the Canadian Air Force) was the subject of this image. So Flightless Parrot takes the points.

Seeing as it's open house, let's see how long this one will last:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x543/aeroplane_200908_9bc3dc005cbab986ea658a798804e464e1672c5a.jp g

Self loading bear

12th Sep 2020, 20:53

I think I only saw Italian airplanes placed on a barrel or wooden horse to picture them level.
Not unlike Ansaldo but definitely different.

fauteuil volant

12th Sep 2020, 21:12

I think I only saw Italian airplanes placed on a barrel or wooden horse to picture them level.

The French had the same habit.

longer ron

13th Sep 2020, 07:54

My young lady tells me it is a Boeing XPW-9 /Model15.

Sorry will have to be OH.

Self loading bear

13th Sep 2020, 11:07

I think your young lady is right
I was looking at Curtiss but did not find a match. With your answer I quickly found this

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1334x750/3081c582_811c_495d_b02b_529a12cb1cfd_279ab4ea5802ed9c278c883 73f8dd7a2c09f04f6.png
Same plane, probably same day, but the barrel has gone!

Jhieminga

13th Sep 2020, 18:27

It is indeed the Boeing Model 15/PW-9. The first Boeing fighter to be operated by the US Army Air Service. It used a 440 hp Curtiss D-12 engine. I'm not sure that the SDASM image was taken on the same day as the background is not the same, and I did not edit the photo I posted. It does not show a registration or any marking on the vertical tail.

longer ron takes the points, but has declared open house.

fauteuil volant

17th Sep 2020, 13:10

On y va !

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1325/shimmer_e30f462bab46315d2e9d82b87aac6d8bab70431d.jpg

Jhieminga

17th Sep 2020, 13:34

Deperdussin monoplane. F-PDEP perhaps?

fauteuil volant

17th Sep 2020, 13:43

That's the one, the Type T replica at Châtellerault in 2016. Your turn, sir.

Jhieminga

18th Sep 2020, 08:30

Quick one from an old photo, this shouldn't be too difficult...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1783x881/aeroplane_200918_820206c2f967692efb27bed4bf68fd191b9b7049.jp g

teusje

19th Sep 2020, 12:53

I'm thinking UTVA 66?

Jhieminga

19th Sep 2020, 14:56

That’s the one. You’ve got control.

teusje

19th Sep 2020, 15:01

Thank you, Jelle,
Now let's try this one.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1010x435/1_dxo_f2404abc193f831bbcf9d991d03e2a5f2366a0d8.jpg

fauteuil volant

22nd Sep 2020, 11:19

A pretty biplane. I feel I should recognise it. But I don't.

Jhieminga

22nd Sep 2020, 11:35

It reminds me of a Stampe, but the unequal span and the widened gear attachment are not correct for those types.

Sultan Ismail

22nd Sep 2020, 14:37

I would take a punt at Bücker Jungman BU-131

teusje

22nd Sep 2020, 16:41

Not the Bücker Jungman,or a Stampe.In fact it's not from Europe, or the USA.

Sultan Ismail

23rd Sep 2020, 00:59

The nearest I can see is a Kawasaki KI-10, although the engine fairing appears slightly different.
The rigging and undercarriage are similar.

teusje

23rd Sep 2020, 05:50

Not a Kawasaki, and not Japanese..

FlightlessParrot

23rd Sep 2020, 07:01

By a shameful process of searching through Wikipedia categories, I discover that it is the Brazilian Muniz M-9.
I have nothing of obscurity even approaching current levels, so Open House, please.

Jhieminga

23rd Sep 2020, 08:55

FlightlessParrot

23rd Sep 2020, 09:57

Nothing to be ashamed about, I did the same by looking up all the Gipsy engine applications, then moving to other similar engines, but never checked the Gipsy Six (not that I would have found it that way...).
Well, I did come first to the Muniz M-7, and thought that perhaps the M-9 would not be worth pursuing, but I noticed it had been re-engined with a six cylinder engine. So there's that.

teusje

23rd Sep 2020, 14:50

And the winner is.. FlightlessParrot, for it is indeed the Muniz M-9
FlightlessParrot has declared Open House.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muniz_M-9 (http://ninhodeaguias.********.com/2015/05/muniz-m-9.html)

FlightlessParrot

24th Sep 2020, 01:18

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x750/name_that_flyin_machine_01_resized_638804aca3a3d8e87536a6029 b2d5e6b4fc65313.jpg

I find after all that I do have something obscure, though not perhaps hard to find.

bobward

24th Sep 2020, 09:34

A replacement for the F35?

FlightlessParrot

24th Sep 2020, 10:39

A replacement for the F35?
A dogfight might be interesting. I suspect the F35 would be reduced in frustration to a close fly-by in reheat, to set fire to this machine.

fauteuil volant

24th Sep 2020, 10:42

At least it would reduce the maintenance costs to a level that the UK economy should be able to sustain! :rolleyes:

treadigraph

24th Sep 2020, 13:21

It's the Barn Door designed by Barnes Wallis and Frank Barnwell...

Jhieminga

24th Sep 2020, 13:44

I suspect it's French...

FlightlessParrot

24th Sep 2020, 20:08

Not French.
It has been described as a triplane and as a biplane, but given the designer's total universe of interests, it might be better described as a serial monoplane.

FlightlessParrot

24th Sep 2020, 20:12

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/626x253/name_that_flyin_machine_02_3eae55128536c25ad8ed31fbe513014d0 d2c2674.jpg
Here is another photograph of it in a later state (there was only ever one built).

Self loading bear

24th Sep 2020, 20:32

The windmill in the background says USA?

FlightlessParrot

24th Sep 2020, 20:42

Not USA.
As a clue to its country of origin: it was flown by the owner (who was not the designer) up until the outbreak of WW I. Large parts of the structure were then converted into a rose pergola outside his back door.

washoutt

25th Sep 2020, 07:48

Is the windmill an automatic course keeper, as found on sailing ships?

FlightlessParrot

25th Sep 2020, 08:04

Is the windmill an automatic course keeper, as found on sailing ships?
I don't think the windmill is part of the aeroplane, even in this version, and it seems to have a human course keeper installed here. As this flying contraption seems to be truly obscure, I might add that the designer (who was not the constructor) was very concerned with inherent stability, though this little effort is quite unlike his more usual style.