Name that Flying Machine

[l.garey]

"I think I saw somewhere that F-Wxxx is for prototypes, but with numerals following the W."

Flightless Parrot: F-Wxxx is used for flight testing, after which the registration reverts to a "normal" sequence, but still keeping the last three. So we need to see if there is a regular registration (eg: F-BLDE or others, but that was a Jodel). I've looked but find nothing.

What a challenge!

Laurence

[treadigraph]

As it appears to be a homebuilt, I looked for F-PLDE. Naught, not even on DGAC register. Perhaps it was a prop for a film or something.

[Self loading bear]

Thank you all for your suggestions and clarifications.
This might become unsolvable.

Did it Fly?
I guess so

P19 Glimmering is the best suggestion so far!
I was thinking about the Cri-Cri Obesity.

I have send an email to the Sisteron soaring club if they can find it in their visitors logs.

Has anyone explored the search path of the engines?
I think it are no diesels but Hirth 3702.
Hirth (http://www.recpower.com/3702%20-%203%20cylinder%20-%202%20cycle.htm)

[Self loading bear]

This is the link to Google Maps sisteron, where you can find the photos.

Google maps (https://goo.gl/maps/4HuMwdMX3pWWXBhCA)

[FlightlessParrot]

The French government site allows searching with a wildcard, so I've done F-%LDE and come up with nothing appropriate (on that site, % is the wildcard character).

Aerodrome Sisteron is the site of two companies into electric flight. Electravia provided the batteries for a Cri-Cri that flew the Channel/Manche. E-props makes propellers optimised for electric powered aircraft; two firms with splendidly transparent names, but a Google search produces no images that look anything like this creature. Anyway, our object seems to have upward pointing exhaust stacks, apparently six per nacelle. Is that plausible?

EDITED: I wrote this before seeing the engine identified: they're intakes, if it is the Hirth, which looks likely.

[Self loading bear]

With no new reactions or suggestions posted for 1 day, I think we have to acknowledge our defeat.
I am in contact with the aeroclub in Sisteron. When they might come forward with additional info I will of course let you know.

Sadly I have to declare OH.

[Asturias56]

Jeez!! I thought YOU knew Bear...............................

It's defeated us all................... :(

[DownWest]

Props looked like Warp-drives. Had one on the Rotax 912 powered Merlin GT.

[meleagertoo]

They don't feather, do they? That thing'd flip on it's back like a Liverpool virgin if an engine stopped!

[DownWest]

No, Ground adjustable pitch only.

[FlightlessParrot]

My entries rarely take more than a couple of hours, but lest the thread lapse into inanition, here's something.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x381/name_that_flying_machine_2021_05_27_17d233b269efd7c94d311a7b 0a6e3f367ffce98d.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day FP.

I'm gonna lock my undercarriage answer in as the Renard Epervier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renard_Epervier

[Asturias56]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotax_912

In the Marie Celeste Challenge I thought I'd follow the possible Rotax clue - and came up with the list as per the link - after 20 minutes systematically going though I lost the will to live................

[Self loading bear]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotax_912

In the Marie Celeste Challenge I thought I'd follow the possible Rotax clue - and came up with the list as per the link - after 20 minutes systematically going though I lost the will to live................

You would have been better of looking at Hirth:
Hirth 3701 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirth_3701)

That list is shorter.
So will lead you faster to nowhere.

[FlightlessParrot]

The statutory 24 hours having passed, I can now reveal that it took Noyade 28 minutes to identify the Renard Espervier (the 2bis, to be precise).

Over to Noyade to find something between the impossible and the ludicrously obvious, as the last two have evidently been.

[Noyade]

Thanks FP.

find something between the impossible and the ludicrously obvious,

A tough ask, but here goes....


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x560/scan0533_023b841bd2adbb3361bd845600fbe48f3d221440.jpg

[Noyade]

First clue.
This a 4 engine aircraft. Two tractor, two pusher.

[Self loading bear]

First clue.
This a 4 engine aircraft. Two tractor, two pusher.

The Fokker F-32 fits the bill but not the photo.

General question:
Am I correct that there has never been a Naca cowling developed for aft engines?

[Beamr]

Dornier Do-K3

OH if correct, I've no idea what all has been handled.

[Self loading bear]

Dornier Do-K3

OH if correct, I've no idea what all has been handled.

you can do a search in the thread.
But in the 3? Years it is running I have never done a search myself and remember only 2 cockpit doubles:
Yours and the Starship.
Edit the name that flying machine thread is running (restarted) also 3 years ago.
I do not recall doubles here.

[Noyade]

Dornier Do-K3.

That's him. :ok:
Open House declared.

[Asturias56]

Not many of these ever built.............

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/221x243/2021_06_03_155858_6f2e021c617e78af6f6810eae6ad84f8ab4b10b7.j pg

[Asturias56]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/170x209/2021_06_03_155940_daaeecfd3bb2d991bb9b1d3996ea451be78fde1c.j pg
and not many pictures either...............

[Self loading bear]

Fleet model 2 could be a match?

[Asturias56]

Go East (or West) young man - I think they only built a couple..................

[India Four Two]

Land of the Rising Sun?

[Asturias56]

No but a lot closer ............................. pre WW2

[sycamore]

Chinese Naval Air Establishment Chiang Hung floatplane....
Open House...if correct

[Asturias56]

At last!!! Sycamore does it! I could only find a couple of pictures so it was hard to keep u p interest

OH called

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/497x310/5_3_a4c1e25a9c6ed6b4b17417f2c4250a8eeb0b2519.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/496x245/104860_6bfdd34a260314923d9e2955c859b0cc_d584a1b0de05f086d414 9d070967d69a7e6cab6d.jpg

[India Four Two]

Somewhat newer:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/373x258/wfm_2021_06_16_1_2204e35ceedce8caaf7fdcf810b9fd3be3056c7c.pn g

[Noyade]

Initial thoughts went A-10 > Pucara (then noted a high wing?) > Bronco.
Now going with Convair Charger. :)

[India Four Two]

Noyade has it with the Convair Model 58 Charger, an unsuccessful bidder for the COIN contract won by the Bronco.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1800x1464/abd78e3d_488a_4b4f_9330_b91966915d00_a5b97c719daac5be10e4320 68e18c9b778b32f20.jpeg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_Model_48_Charger



As Uncle Roger would say: “WIHIHH?”

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x502/9eb426c0_5e0c_41ac_891a_2010d4b42b85_bc10022248fd56e5829f65d 3de92d347a537b5fe.jpeg

Noyade has the con.

[Noyade]

Thanks Simon!


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/566x592/mustang_08fff7eeb82ea4c62039c0ea4330ac605b4b26e8.jpg

[Asturias56]

Carrier aircraft?

[treadigraph]

I was going to suggest Westland Wyvern with second prop artfully hidden but not sure, tail plane looks too high set for starters.

[sycamore]

First thoughts were Martin Mauler,but closer inspection would be the Kaiser-Fleetwings XTBK-1.....Of which there is not a lot of complimentary information..

OH ...again ,if correct....

[Noyade]

First thoughts were Martin Mauler,but closer inspection would be the Kaiser-Fleetwings XTBK-1.....Of which there is not a lot of complimentary information..

OH ...again ,if correct....

The Kaiser it is. :ok:

OPEN HOUSE

[Self loading bear]

Open house to long:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/625x305/9a4d450a_d661_41e5_af59_6d5f61db50db_3705bfee9efb3c4b1addfdd 4d6ac234ed422f20b.jpeg
and yes, this time I have made sure that I know the type myself!

[treadigraph]

I seem to remember that beasty at the PFA Cranfield several times. Or one very like it!

[FlightlessParrot]

I believe that post-modern Flea is the Croses EC-6 Criquet. He also designed the EC-9 Para-Cargo Croses Para-Cargo (https://www.fraseraerotechnologycompany.com/Visiting_Photographer5.html)
At which point I hope someone thought the joke had gone far enough.

If I'm right, Open House in the fullness of time.

[Self loading bear]

I believe that post-modern Flea is the Croses EC-6 Criquet. He also designed the EC-9 Para-Cargo Croses Para-Cargo (https://www.fraseraerotechnologycompany.com/Visiting_Photographer5.html)
At which point I hope someone thought the joke had gone far enough.

If I'm right, Open House in the fullness of time.

Parrot is right,

open house called

[Beamr]

Since OH...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/950x514/pprunentfm_0bd37f06420450caa5fdec3c274e055db7e3480d.jpg

[Noyade]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x926/scan0575_2e06ed9acf38b24e8ad1f96705646c18ddcb4062.jpg


:ok:

[Beamr]

:ok:
Blimey, that didn't take long! Over to you Noyade :ok:

[India Four Two]

Slight thread drift. Why does the JJ-1 have its inlets so far forward?

[Asturias56]

well in the '50's they'd just got over putting a hole in the nose so this was an improvement I guess.............

[Noyade]

Cheers Beamr. I was very lucky with that one. No idea why the intakes are so far forward or why the vertical fin seems so incredibly tall.
Initially I thought it may have been the Fiat G.80.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x421/front_cd1cf973c806c10d3a5798bf8c6cce1a30f73ced.jpg

[washoutt]

The tail of the JJ-1 seems to be inspired by the Fokker S-14, looking at the way the horizontal stabilizer is mounted. Did they just copy the size as well?

[treadigraph]

Fin reminds me of the Nangchang variation on a Yak 18 theme...

[Shackman]

Looks very much like 'Britain First' (aka Bristol type 142, which became the Blenheim). Withdraw that, the undercarriage looks wrong

[Self loading bear]

....
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x421/front_cd1cf973c806c10d3a5798bf8c6cce1a30f73ced.jpg

Nice challenge, your not only fishing in the same pond, you are smoking my salmon!
But no worries I have other challenges in stock.

[Noyade]

Nice challenge, your not only fishing in the same pond, you are smoking my salmon!
But no worries I have other challenges in stock.

Ahhh. Good to know. It's a very nice Salmon :ok:
I saw it yesterday whilst googling a rare aircraft any your pond came up - and I noticed this very "Bristol" looking machine.

But as you already know, it's actually French.

[Self loading bear]

Not any more interested?
It was not my intention to put anyone off.
I hope no one felt that way?
I only had photos in side view in which this SIPA S 1100 is very pronounced and recognizable.
So did not post it as a challenge.
Looks a difficult way to me to get in and out for that pilot:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/650x922/57acb486_f146_46a7_956d_f3e198c22af3_fa69a7116d78e42a79b8e3a a8b90cbec8776b5a5.jpeg

[Noyade]

Thanks SLB. :ok:
Up to you now.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Noyade,
This one:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1141x600/8f2b72bc_8368_47d1_b1c1_9335c30bab8b_b8b5f01489f3b131f764d5f 49313b3c82906e5f6.jpeg

[Noyade]

Not any more interested?

It gets like that. It's OK. :)

American?
The fourth of five built?
Flew with Pan American's South American affiliate - SCADTA?
Up front is a 650/700 hp Hornet T1C?

[Self loading bear]

Yes that one!
Sufficient clues have been given.
Who will shoot this penalty better than Mbappe?

[Beamr]

General Aviation GA-43, the one with floates. Over to Noyade for being the first.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/545x307/plane_scadta_airplane_2_l_8cdf794b33bf50fdcda5eabbdf57b68753 9a49bd.jpg

[Noyade]

It's all good. All yours Beamr. :ok:
If not - Open House.

[Self loading bear]

General Aviation GA-43, the one with floates. Over to Noyade for being the first.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/545x307/plane_scadta_airplane_2_l_8cdf794b33bf50fdcda5eabbdf57b68753 9a49bd.jpg

exactly! Over to Beamer

[Beamr]

ok then, here goes

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/416x549/findout_e0b3850cb7b74a410170cb99c913d5e31519f200.jpg

[Asturias56]

Reminds me of Hindustan designs....................... but I think its a SOKO G-4 Super Galeb...........

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/497x247/2021_06_30_083611_4b1ee94903f91226872378b13fdd4277111f8915.j pg

[Beamr]

Reminds me of Hindustan designs....................... but I think its a SOKO G-4 Super Galeb...........



Sir, you're quite right. Your turn!

Note to self: I need to get a grip and find something more challenging in the future. Mine has been solved in a blink of an eye lately. :rolleyes:

[Self loading bear]

Sir, you're quite right. Your turn!

Note to self: I need to get a grip and find something more challenging in the future. Mine has been solved in a blink of an eye lately. :rolleyes:

Beamr,
please be aware of the 24hr rule as explained in the Which Aerodrome Wikipost.
It is applicable to all 3 challenge threads.
You risk being zapped to 0 posts, which places you again under scrutiny of the Mods.

On the other hand,
if this challenge is not particularly difficult, Asturias could have let it run for some more hours as well before jumping the gun. Early answers put off many other interested followers.

[Asturias56]

I don't get a blinding flash of light very often at 08:32 - especially in What aircraft or What cockpit

As you say 24 hour rule applies .........................

[Beamr]

Beamr,
please be aware of the 24hr rule as explained in the Which Aerodrome Wikipost.
It is applicable to all 3 challenge threads.
You risk being zapped to 0 posts, which places you again under scrutiny of the Mods.


Thank you for this info, I'll learn a bit more patience! :ok:

[Asturias56]

Well it was the overwing, relatively simple intakes - so pre 1990 but a smart canopy and a nice finish on the fuselage so post 1960. Not many small two seaters in the frame and a handy but battered copy of Janes Aircraft Recognition Guide saw me on finals

Try this..

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/229x299/2021_06_29_085216_4e04e59e10740c0e26715b5c4af67eedcb3198e9.j pg

[Pypard]

Lancashire Prospector; but where's the rest?

[kcockayne]

Noorduyn Norseman, by any chance ?

[meleagertoo]

Lancashire Prospector; but where's the rest?
Too disturbingly ugly to publish!

[meleagertoo]

Lancashire Prospector; but where's the rest?
Thankfully too disturbingly ugly to publish!

[Asturias56]

Pypard is correct - the Lancashire Prospector - and it was cropped as otherwise it would have lasted an even shorter time than it did


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x396/2597l_ab86cd19134886a604df4fe8bfe76e25acbc11f3.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x779/0767062_d22060feb97af9707a561ff789b724190055cb2e.jpg

[Pypard]

Will post one in a bit.

[Pypard]

Try this then:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x629/image1_2611409e3e2a5ab487c04fd59bd65e9adc8994a9.jpg

[Asturias56]

think its a Macchi of some sort - but which one?

[Noyade]

Not a Macchi.
Six of these machines served with the US Coast Guard.

[Pypard]

I think someone is on the trail... :)

[asw28-866]

Thank you Noyade, It's a black and white image, but is it lurid green in reality?

[Pypard]

I don't think so...

[teusje]

The Viking OO-1, which is a licence built version of the French FBA type 17.

[Pypard]

The Viking OO-1, which is a licence built version of the French FBA type 17.

Correct: I was surprised that this type dates from 1931! I would assume it to be more of a post-WW1 type, but not by more than a decade. Over to you :)

[teusje]

Thank you, Pypard. I have to say Noyade did most of the heavy lifting on this one.
His clue made it lot easier.
On with the next one.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x535/image_897_dxo_dxo_bd1bbd6276cab95b248e11b9e22b6228aae2aa7a.j pg

[Pypard]

Something biblical?

[teusje]

I guess you could say that.

[Noyade]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x426/scan0588_003fcb4541333f0c881a11aa03a3431c6337bcdd.jpg

[FlightlessParrot]

Well, the goat misled me as to the appropriate continent, but now I have Good News about the aircraft.

Also, I discover the type has a website dedicated to its history, and the website itself is now a historical artifact. Remember 1992 when putting up a web page was colourful fun?

[Asturias56]

Might be a S American design?

[Pypard]

Might be a S American design?

Made in the US of A.

[Pypard]

I was surprised to see that approximately 50% of the production run still survive; one in a museum.

[piesupper]

Designed for the same role this amazing guy does? Missionary Bush Pilot (https://www.youtube.com/user/NTMApilot)
Not that I approve 100% of the influence of missionaries, but there is a lot more than bible-bashing going on here...

[Asturias56]

Evangel 4500 - about 8 built apparently...................

Google 1974 twin engined STOL and it comes up pretty fast

OH if correct - tho Pypard obviously knew what it was.:ok:

[teusje]

That's the one, Asturias.
Open House called.

[Noyade]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/888x418/1_fca37104205a0b8ac4213192e97d1c1496417cc1.png

[visibility3miles]

A blimp:


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/839x600/image_e1598322d453b6bd229e11fc3504b526bbaf62dc.jpeg

[Asturias56]

I'm confused... or rather more confused than usual......................... :confused:

[Noyade]

I'm confused... or rather more confused than usual......................... :confused:

Dunno the blimp reference.

But a few clues then.
(From Wiki)
Fixed undercarriage.
Only one built.
Brief career - first flew - and crashed - in 1957.
Powered by Jacobs 7-cyl air cooled radials - maximum speed was 140mph.

[Beamr]

How about Lascurain Aura?

[Pypard]

We had this one approximately 1760 posts ago...

[FlightlessParrot]

We had this one approximately 1760 posts ago...
Does this mean we are approaching the limit of obscure 'planes that have been photographed?

[India Four Two]

Pypard,

We’ve had several duplicates recently, including the Evangel, but that doesn’t reduce the fun.

[Planemike]

Pypard,

We’ve had several duplicates recently, including the Evangel, but that doesn’t reduce the fun.
True....some of us missed them the first time around....!!!

[Noyade]

How about Lascurain Aura?

Well done sir! :ok:
Apologies for the duplication.

[Beamr]

To keep challenges easy...

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/958x963/1a11_2ee0936e80ba304e0bfa863bcb696d5d1595caea.jpg

[India Four Two]

I think that must be an Il-14.

Not sure about the car on the left. Tatra?

[Noyade]

I think it's this machine. Only 18 built. Plenty of coat space and a nicely decorated green toilet/bathroom.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x510/green_toilet_faa64f16a8fc1d52cda9e42194ccbbdc659f2d7f.jpg

[G-ARZG]

To keep challenges easy...

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/958x963/1a11_2ee0936e80ba304e0bfa863bcb696d5d1595caea.jpg

SAAB 90 Scandia? OH if correct

[Asturias56]

Rudder in pic looks like it has 2 hinges but the diagram has 3?

[Beamr]

Noyade had an idea but G-ARZG called it out loud, Saab 90 Scandia it is.

OH declared.

[evansb]

Automobile to the left of the 1964 VW Beetle is a 1948 Mercury Town Sedan Deluxe 4-door, complete with suicide doors. Powered by a Ford flat-head V-8 engine. The roof-top baggage rack may indicate use as a crew shuttle vehicle.

[Asturias56]

One that has passed my by over the years
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/190x160/2021_07_12_175754_68a47d21f08020ef61b11878fce5a0ef9048aad6.j pg
..............

[Pypard]

One that has passed my by over the years
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/190x160/2021_07_12_175754_68a47d21f08020ef61b11878fce5a0ef9048aad6.j pg
..............

Why only half?

[sycamore]

Half-frame camera......?

[Self loading bear]

Half-frame camera......?
Clearly not auto focus

[Noyade]

Looks like there's a notched section to the leading edge around the cockpit.

Danish?
Skandinavisk Aero Industri product?
S.A.I. KZ III?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x429/2021_07_12_175754_68a47d21f08020ef61b11878fce5a0ef9048aad6_1 1c972efbb6a90862029b99b9f79744865fde7d8.jpg

[FlightlessParrot]

It looks to me like the cabin windows are wrong for any SAI aircraft I can find. As also the Fletcher F-24, which has a similar treatment of the leading edge, though not so extreme as in the mystery aircraft.

[Asturias56]

"Why only half?" - because the back-end says "Google this Registration" in large letters................ :E

It isn't Danish - I'd never heard of it but it seems to have been quite a successful design
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/201x201/2021_07_12_175828_58e7b4861f36242b20369793a5a911a4827eefa2.j pg

[Pypard]

"Why only half?" - because the back-end says "Google this Registration" in large letters................ :E


Well I assumed we were all blanking out details like that before posting (see my last submission in Post #2327 for example). Or conversely it doesn't seem very helpful to crop photos because you won't blank out incriminating detail.

[FlightlessParrot]

Well I assumed we were all blanking out details like that before posting (see my last submission in Post #2327 for example). Or conversely it doesn't seem very helpful to crop photos because you won't blank out incriminating detail.
A long time ago on UK television there was an enchanting programme called 'Pets Win Prizes'. One of the competitions was to see if a human could identify their animal from a group of like creatures by seeing just its lower leg, or similarly detailed part. This thread has to work on that principle because the hotshots here are very hot indeed. Twice I have posted pictures of small portions of aircraft I regarded as extremely obscure, only to have them identified within half an hour.

[Pypard]

A long time ago on UK television there was an enchanting programme called 'Pets Win Prizes'. One of the competitions was to see if a human could identify their animal from a group of like creatures by seeing just its lower leg, or similarly detailed part. This thread has to work on that principle because the hotshots here are very hot indeed. Twice I have posted pictures of small portions of aircraft I regarded as extremely obscure, only to have them identified within half an hour.

I think it might be better to try and be inclusive by appealing to a wider audience instead of aiming at the 'hotshots'. In any case, it's obvious now that cropping of photos is being done to remove identifying detail, rather than making it more challenging. It doesn't take much effort to blank the detail out after all, QED.

[Beamr]

I think it might be better to try and be inclusive by appealing to a wider audience instead of aiming at the 'hotshots'. In any case, it's obvious now that cropping of photos is being done to remove identifying detail, rather than making it more challenging. It doesn't take much effort to blank the detail out after all, QED.
does it really matter as long as its a good challenge? Either crop it or paint it, or do both (as I did, still got identified in a few hours).

[Asturias56]

Sometimes the "detail" is so distinctive it gives the game away instantly - cropping is just the same as plastering a big white blob over it - we've been doing both for years

[Asturias56]

A well preserved one

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/283x461/2021_07_12_180032_4d6b7452e9997d80270d52e2ce862e74b67f5c23.j pg

[treadigraph]

Is that a Gipsy Major?

[Noyade]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/201x201/2021_07_12_175828_58e7b4861f36242b20369793a5a911a4827eefa2.j pg

Ahhh....much older than I thought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RWD_13


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x314/scan0591_3883b808f6479ddaf9a84b41469bc8cf06c2af4b.jpg

[treadigraph]

Interesting, my thought was of the PZL Gawron as I had a vague feeling it was Polish - close but definitely no cigar! I certainly have heard of the type somewhere...

[Asturias56]

Noyade has it with the Polish RWD13 - a very successful aircraft - they sold over 100 and it was also built under licence I believe in other countries, There are still a few around and even a replica in Poland


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/974x494/2021_07_12_175651_639b5e3e7dcbfbdd569db7fd9392d4fd90e2b0ba.j pg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/288x300/2021_07_12_180103_0f101ba1e3d0148a4d92c9ea3b2150ee5cd3df17.j pg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/241x227/2021_07_12_180157_b900a7c82073d8d5ca0af0631f50888602dc5ae7.j pg

[Noyade]

Cheers.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x375/scan0600_8c8e16cafb03fb5d273077ab427b11df76fe3a76.jpg

[Asturias56]

Looks like a Navy Curtiss NC-4 or similar

[Beamr]

Is that a Wackett Widgeon? (whatta name!)

[Noyade]

Is that a Wackett Widgeon? (whatta name!)

Whatta name indeed! All yours Beamr. :ok:

[Beamr]

How about this then?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/307x336/20_2_fae97c007ec7fadc983dec4eb653443557a4031b.jpg

[Pypard]

Does it have a twin?

[Pypard]

Quiet day. Well I think it's a Thai Type 2 bomber, designed by Lieutenant Colonel Luang Vejyanrangsarit in 1939, and named "Bripat" or “Paribatra” (depending on translation) in honour of Prince Bripat Sukumphan (Prince Paribatra). Power plant was a Jupiter radial. There's one preserved in the Royal Thai AF Museum.

[Haraka]

There's one preserved in the Royal Thai AF Museum.
A subscale replica, IIRC from many years ago............

[Beamr]

Pypard got it right.

Interesting part is that apparently, with only 12 made incl prototype, they used four different engines during production (P&W Wasp, BMW VI, Bristol Jupiter, Curtiss D-12). That must be a record of some kind.

Pypard, your call! :ok:

[Pypard]

Pypard got it right.

Interesting part is that apparently, with only 12 made incl prototype, they used four different engines during production (P&W Wasp, BMW VI, Bristol Jupiter, Curtiss D-12). That must be a record of some kind.


Well there' s a bit of info I wasn't aware of on a really obscure type. I suspect your post alone has increased the general knowledge of the type :)

Try this one. It'll probably go quick, but I like it anyway:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x512/budgie_96a445b925e9247ade4a3ccad22a8d2302f8d28b.jpg

[Noyade]

Looks to be the Canadian Boeing Totem flying boat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing-Canada_A-213_Totem


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x554/scan0604_3f8ebbaec6ed0a537a049799897bcd18f99835e2.jpg

[Pypard]

That'll do: nice looking 'boat. You have control.

[Beamr]

That'll do: nice looking 'boat. You have control.
Pypard, I was recently familiarized with the thread rules, which state that there must be at least 24 hours in between new quiz and the winner announcement. I take it that you weren't aware of it as wasn't I.

[Pypard]

Pypard, I was recently familiarized with the thread rules, which state that there must be at least 24 hours in between new quiz and the winner announcement. I take it that you weren't aware of it as wasn't I.

Makes sense: Noyade you have control sometime tomorrow then :) In the meantime please feel free to take a guess.

[FlightlessParrot]

Hi Pypard, just to explain: the 24 hour rule was imposed by the moderators of the board because the thread was becoming very quick-fire. I forgot about it myself and declared a winner within 30 minutes of posting what I though was a really obscure aeroplane. So the need to get something to last at least 24 hours is one of the things that led to only bits of aeroplanes being posted.
That Boeing is nice, isn't it: the bow looks very boat-like.

[Planemike]

Have to say it had a Saunders Roes feeling to me....

[Pypard]

No probs with the rule. Yes the Totem is a handsome machine: it goes to show what can be done with what are essentially flat surfaces.

[FlightlessParrot]

No probs with the rule. Yes the Totem is a handsome machine: it goes to show what can be done with what are essentially flat surfaces.

Great tradition of the best American engineering: simple, strong, right. Mais où sont les neiges d'antan?

[India Four Two]

Les neiges d'antan ont disparu au printemps Canadien.

Lovely looking boat. I had never heard of it.

[FlightlessParrot]

Copland, Appalachian Spring: 25' 35"
Anon., Le printemps Canadien: 1' 27"

[Noyade]

Cheers Pypard.

Saw this on the net....
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/729x457/scan0605_179abdcb143f8ff0e79ac4ae5a9c430c5c8441d5.jpg

[Beamr]

That reminds me terribly of Maule, but the nacelle is wrong.

[Pypard]

If that's a radial up front then it looks quite big.

[India Four Two]

I thought there was a Scottish influence, but the stabilizer is too small.

[treadigraph]

I thought there was a Scottish influence, but the stabilizer is too small.

An absence of flaps also... otherwise my first thought.

[Noyade]

Not American.
No radial upfront.
Designed as an agricultural aircraft - unsuccessful - ended up towing advertising banners.
Only one built. First flight in 1957 - destroyed in storm 1965.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/883x350/scan0610_da73e76745a6d0cb2a6d61986e2fe0d990bf74d1.jpg

[Asturias56]

Looks a bit like the Argentinian Dinfia IA 46 Ranquel series - but they built a few of those and the dimensions aren't right

[sablatnic]

Dutch by any chance?

[Noyade]

Dutch by any chance?

Certainly is. :)

[sablatnic]

Certainly is. :)

I can't remember what it is, just happened upon the report some years ago. With before and after photos.

[Noyade]

Time for a photo then.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/746x470/gs_aaf9516a674713715ffc0779f7b20b0b641d5b88.jpg

[Beamr]

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/508

Can't claim this as mine, just a dug up of sablatnics recollection.

[Noyade]

Well, you have provided a name Beamr - so it's yours if you want. :ok:


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x517/scan0611_193f1712385769f0e0ddaee99e6825ad27895b5b.jpg

[Beamr]

Ok then, suppose this won't take long?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1473x757/screenshot_20210721_162508_adobe_acrobat_505478cbc29cdfb5321 5233ebe5e6b0d85d43326.jpg

[Pypard]

make/model or the exact one? :ok:

[Beamr]

make/model or the exact one? :ok:
Make/model will do, but if you have more of this specific example please do share!

[Pypard]

Make/model will do, but if you have more of this specific example please do share!

Well I think it's probably the first one of this type?

[Beamr]

Well I think it's probably the first one of this type?
for me it is impossible to say if it is the very first, but it is one of the early versions definately, not a production unit.

[Noyade]

I'll just call it a Heinkel He 112. :)

[Beamr]

I'll just call it a Heinkel He 112. :)
quite correct. To me it appears to be V1 based on the radiator cowling, it is definately somewhere between V1 and V8 (excluding V7) as it is missing the bubble canopy and it has earlier tail. It might not be the V5 as those were Imperial Japanese Army evaluation units with red tails and this appears to have a swastika on the tail.

All yours Noyade.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x395/5237280cc3ec07ddade9d9b5f2aa9152_2f08ca5c1f1f8c97d4521016ade 63056642855c8.jpg

[Noyade]

Thanks Beamr - nice schematics above. :ok:
Unfortunately I'm outta ammunition - so OPEN HOUSE.

[Asturias56]

Don't think this will last long................... PS remember the 24 hour rule on confirming the winner

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/325x226/2021_07_16_161200_2faff85ae3772d184a27499eec3425bf148f826d.j pg

[Planemike]

Piel Emeraude or one of its derivatives....??

[Asturias56]

Getting close

[Pypard]

So I'd say it's He.112V1.

[Planemike]

Binder CP301S Smaragd (https://www.jetphotos.com/aircraft/Binder%20CP301S%20Smaragd)

[Asturias56]

No its not the Smaragd but you are on the right lines

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/231x467/2021_07_16_161357_705f007143c4af3004c3af172f22908b453855a1.j pg

[Planemike]

So near, yet so far.......!!!!

[treadigraph]

Garland-Bianchi Linnet?.

[Planemike]

Garland-Bianchi Linnet?.
Think you have it correct Treadi..... Never realised the Linnet looked so sleek....!!! Shot taken at Goodwood..methinks??!!

[Asturias56]

Treadigraph is correct - the G-B Linnet - they seem to have been quite visible around the UK circuit but not sure if there are any left


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x525/9547l_1_93e32fb23a1957bbf269dcfae428be63672847be.jpg

[Planemike]

The G-B Linnet was a Piel Emerade built under licence. The rights passed to Fairtravel Ltd who built the Linnet II.
G-APNS F/f 01 Sept 58. White Waltham No current CofA although the a/c may still exist.
G-APRH F/f 10 April 62 White Waltham A/c destroyed Jersey 05 May 67.
G-APVO A/c not completed...Conflicting information as whether it was used in the construction of the Linnet II
Fairtravel Linnet II
G-ASFW F/f 20 Mar 63 White Waltham. A/c destroyed Biggin Hill 25 Oct 69.
G-ASMT F/f 09 Jul 64 Blackbushe. No current Cof A.
G-ASZR F/f 27 May 65 Blackbushe. The a/c does have a current Permit.

[treadigraph]

I recall seeing PNS over my house many years ago...

Open house...

[Pypard]

Try this then: probably a quick one but a lovely-looking type anyway.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x358/001_8e4b6d996b7098eef21c72ce70ef107469e97e2c.jpg

[Asturias56]

Thanks Planemike - next time I'm at the 'bushe i'll look closely -

[Noyade]

The Wicher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL.44_Wicher

[Pypard]

Noyade you have the floor.

[Noyade]

Photo from a fellow member...


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/878x436/pprune_636ad84f33648d320ea48b69ad646c00966423d8.jpg

[Pypard]

Possibly Belgian?

[Noyade]

Indeed! :ok:

[Planemike]

Triplan Battaille.....???

[Noyade]

That's him Mike. :ok:
All yours.

[Planemike]

Have to declare "Open house".... Unable to put anything up on screen. !!

[Beamr]

Just to keep things going

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/406x498/6_ecb039e66753a78c4e5e97b647a780b79b8cb876.jpg

[Pypard]

Looks far-eastern but not Chinese ;)

[BEagle]

Mitsubishi X2 (ATD-X) Shinshin?

[Beamr]

Mitsubishi X2 (ATD-X) Shinshin?
Correct! Your call BEagle.

[BEagle]

Thanks!
Try this?

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1135x888/thing_37b3308b98345393a1d6b8920d73efcd636bcbaa.jpg

[Pypard]

MiG-105 Spiral lifting body. I was going to build up to it like my He-112 and Mitsubishi X-2 prompts, but I see that doesn't work on here.

[BEagle]

MiG-105 it is indeed. Hideous looking thing!

You have the helm!!

[Pypard]

I shall leave it the requisite 24 hours and post something :)

[Pypard]

Try this: the flying verandah.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/702x295/x12_1afc38e874921eb558b97888a1ac3daa675e4f44.jpg

[meleagertoo]

The dinghy looks Dutch or Belgian.

[Noyade]

The flying verandah is the Saunders Kittiwake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders_Kittiwake

[Pypard]

Noyade has it. Over to you.

[Noyade]

Cheers!


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x321/scan0590_958154c1229568b638c5e764cf0380fe0960de56.jpg

[Noyade]

British 'tractor seaplane' participating in the Daily Mail Circuit of Britain race.
Photo was taken at Scarborough.

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Sopwith 'Circuit' Floatplane. 1913. Pilot Harry Hawker.

[Noyade]

Sopwith 'Circuit' Floatplane. 1913. Pilot Harry Hawker.

Done! :ok:
Over to you.

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Thanks Noyade - Sorry all, it will have to be OPEN HOUSE....

[Self loading bear]

Then at the bottom line this one will show to be easy as well?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/814x540/1632cfbe_5a7f_4542_a599_00e79b0e48c4_814ce67a5297df038e8185a a8a825b32b8dda539.jpeg

[Noyade]

this one will show to be easy as well?

To be honest I spent too much time going down the Breguet path - I did not realise the original version was a twin jet.
I think this is the machine in question...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x521/scan0644_710732abf66dbe7af50d14184379bb6701ab0b56.jpg

[Beamr]

Thats the Mirage I.

[Noyade]

Thats the Mirage I.

Yes, and I believe that's what Bear's exhaust 'eyes' belong to. Just need him to confirm/deny.

[Beamr]

Yes, and I believe that's what Bear's exhaust 'eyes' belong to. Just need him to confirm/deny.
It is Mirage I. The rocket motor under the fuselage wasn't on the Mystere Delta.

[Self loading bear]

Sorry guys I have been traveling whole day
It is the Mirage 1 (MD 550)

[Beamr]

Keen to see Noyades upcoming pictorial mystery :ok:

[Noyade]

Thanks Bear!.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/713x406/big_prop_07a9f26430d322e280c30c2f4585e7141aa0c4c8.jpg

[Asturias56]

"I said INCHES, Inches... not feet......................."

[Self loading bear]

The LMNC
(Lawn Mower New Concept)

[Pypard]

Wing struts look like Pitts; early Monster?

[Self loading bear]

Steen Skybolt Radial?

[Planemike]

Sherwood Ranger......

[Noyade]

None of the above.

Canadian Kit plane.
Wiki says around 590 built.
The prop belongs to a Vickers Vimy replica.

[Planemike]

Fisher Celebrity.......

[Noyade]

Not a Fisher product....

[Planemike]

Murphy Renegade.....?

[Noyade]

Murphy Renegade.....?

Nicely done Mike. :ok:
All yours.

[Planemike]

Nicely done Mike. :ok:
All yours.
Thank you.....!! Did not realise the a/c was Canadian in origin, always learn something !!
Have to declare "OPEN HOUSE" as I am not "techie" enough to fire up a pic in here.....!! Needs brains!!
Planemike

[Self loading bear]

Always willing to help Planemike.
I will send you a PM with my email address.

For the moment:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/638x288/a9b3e95d_196a_4d66_82ee_c31f24ef3d15_08cbdc40eacb027eaf6ae9b 18c585c6a3cd9230c.jpeg

[Beamr]

That is very very close to Grob GF200, but with a few minor issues like the window shape. This is a pusher, right?

[teusje]

Aerodis America AA200

[Self loading bear]

Aerodis America AA200

Teusje has it,
the Aerodis AA200 was derived from the Grinvald Orion.

[teusje]

Thank you, SLB.
Let's push on with this one.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1069x607/3_871c7dedb1691fe3483af5077b50b06ecde814cb.jpg

[Pypard]

OOh something from Mississippi.

[UV]

Marvelous challenge teusje!

[Noyade]

Mississippi.

The XV-11A Marvel - the aircraft with a million perforations.

[teusje]

Yes, indeed, It's the Mississippi State University XV-11A Marvel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_University_XV-11_Marvel
Noyade has the floor.

[Pypard]

Yes, indeed, It's the Mississippi State University XV-11A Marvel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_University_XV-11_Marvel
Noyade has the floor.

Well in fairness I think a couple of us deserve a mention too...

[Noyade]

Well in fairness I think a couple of us deserve a mention too...

Certainly, please take the stand - your control. :ok:

[Pypard]

Certainly, please take the stand - your control. :ok:

Joint effort I'd say :)

[Pypard]

Anyone going to have a go?

[Beamr]

I believe everyones waiting for your contribution, Pypard.

[Pypard]

OK try this elegant chap then:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x495/image1_063338499339c5b85f60197161c4bee9cb0b9c89.jpg

[Beamr]

I'd say it was duramolded.

[Self loading bear]

I'd say it was duramolded.

Honesty kid, you are pressure forcing it to your own hand.

[Beamr]

Honesty kid, you are pressure forcing it to your own hand.

It's not like i've impregnated anything. This is a spruce goose chase.

[Noyade]

So many clues - but you need a name, so, the Fairchild F-46.
Seen below with a Pratt and Whitney up front - still flying in the early '70s...


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/873x500/scan0654_fd0b4c76e5faa8363e4f33068d9b8170f5b564e1.jpg

[Pypard]

Good enough: Noyade's?

[Noyade]

Good enough: Noyade's?

No - it's Beamr's, with "Duramolded."

[Beamr]

Ok, to keep things going...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/468x322/369535_8_i_071_1_99e0dae88bf7f883f06cceb489484820065d0c05.jp g

[Asturias56]

looks like something from the Guerra Civil in Spain......

[Beamr]

looks like something from the Guerra Civil in Spain......
this is a bit later design, with a rather distinctive fuselage cross section shape. The continent is correct though.
It's almost like a C17: folks sitting on four rows and it can carry two general purpose vehicles that can be loaded via ramp. Very avanguardia!

[Asturias56]

I was thinking Noratlas but the roof is wrong - it's a damn wide fuselage - might be a glider - maybe something like the Me 323?