Name that Flying Machine

[Self loading bear]

I have received pm from dook
he cannot post
reason unclear but postmaster has been made aware of it.
Open house

[dook]

MReyn gave me control with the HP22.

Appropriately I call OH for anyone not in the UK.

[Weary]

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/717x471/5a47610a_4ac5_4b8b_b5aa_ee7ef8b17bae_235ffe6ebf795d46f715e57 da424a25fcb8f51d8.jpg

Put me out of my misery - what is this thing ?

[treadigraph]

Macchi MB.320.

Apparently written off in 1962. Assume that's Nairobi Wilson. Edit: yep! One of three supplied to East African Airways.

[Weary]

Macchi MB.320

Thanks heaps

[treadigraph]

Pleasure. Er, open house for next pic...

[Nick 1]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1419x813/a92c1ee9_3e8d_4297_89ee_068fa688bb5f_6d934aec9cd92839d9bd08b 3024f9b1c4bc8a85d.jpeg
What about this ...

[dook]

Good angle which nicely masks the pusher prop. :)

[Nick 1]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1384x842/25afb206_7fef_441b_bb98_70ec14058235_ca6f026c1a15d55b5e0b140 3299c274ec56a570e.jpeg

[SincoTC]

Good evening Nick1,

Welcome to the thread :ok:

I believe your challenge is the Stabilimento Costruzioni Aeronautiche (SCA) SS.2 Light aircraft ??

[Nick 1]

Good evening , yes it is Ambrosini (Sergio Stefanutti designer ) SS2 1935 ...
Beautiful thread !

[SincoTC]

Good evening , yes it is Ambrosini (Sergio Stefanutti designer ) SS2 1935 ...
Beautiful thread !

Thank you Nick1 glad you like the thread and thanks for participating, long may it survive!! :D

As I already have a What Cockpit challenge to monitor and in accordance with the Mods (Senior Pilot's post) #252 (https://www.pprune.org/showpost.php?p=10612688&postcount=252) (permalink (https://www.pprune.org/showthread.php?p=10612688)) I will now declare an Open House to allow some of overseas PPRuNers a chance to post a new Challenge :ok:

[India Four Two]

While we all digest SincoTC's well reasoned post, I'll put something up for consideration, since it's been over 24 hours AND I'm in UTC-7. ;)


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1086x642/wac_2019_11_08_bedc68f1d98a498ca3a2c1a928c0182d128b3cc7.jpg

[Quemerford]

While we all digest SincoTC's well reasoned post, I'll put something up for consideration, since it's been over 24 hours AND I'm in UTC-7. ;)


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1086x642/wac_2019_11_08_bedc68f1d98a498ca3a2c1a928c0182d128b3cc7.jpg
Potez 75 prototype?

[India Four Two]

That's the one. Not only the prototype, but the only one built. I thought by trimming the Renault 4CV out of the picture, it might have lasted longer!

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1280x839/potez_75_9_be2b411d21af7353a05af02087b3256da118a137.jpg

An interesting aircraft that was designed to carry the SS.10 anti-tank missile, but proved unsatisfactory during trials. Wire-guided missiles launched from a fixed-wing aircraft. What could possibly go wrong? It was subsequently used in ground attack operations in Algeria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potez_75


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/730x365/potez_75_3_s_f95a5b31bc8944357dc07aac92b26857f57c0bc9.jpg

Quemerford has control.

[Quemerford]

How's this then?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x451/49037762111_c8871aca85_z_9424ee3581b6c55189a4696bce538d0ae5f 72a9d.jpg

[MReyn24050]

The SNAC NC 1080 perhaps?

[Quemerford]

The SNAC NC 1080 perhaps?

I did post one to say correct: over to you but it seems to have fallen off.

[MReyn24050]

I did post one to say correct: over to you but it seems to have fallen off.
Not sure what happened. However here is the next one:-
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x337/pprune13_eb911d98c9525b793d70758790f3fdec68c350a6.jpg

[Quemerford]

Not sure what happened. However here is the next one:-
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x337/pprune13_eb911d98c9525b793d70758790f3fdec68c350a6.jpg
Looks like a nasty accident between a Skyvan, a clothes line and a bicycle..

[cavuman1]

Quemerford has it! The one and only model of the Frabjous Corporation's BiSkiLi! Having lost power on her maiden flight, she alighted with some force into a clothes basket from which she was retrieved and hung out to dry. (Just kidding....)

- Ed

[dook]

Is this a pusher canard ?

[treadigraph]

Looks like a nasty accident between a Skyvan, a clothes line and a bicycle..

I think it's the time a C337 went up the back of a Bleriot mid channel...

[India Four Two]

I myself am more interested in the stories behind the airfields, aircraft, especially if someone has visited or flown it themselves

Slb, I agree. When a challenge of mine has been guessed, I always try to add something of interest that is relevant to the challenge.

[MReyn24050]

Is this a pusher canard ?
Certainly a pusher canard. It was an experimental aircraft 1920s. The aircraft has been described a a light aircraft with automatic stabilizer..

[Quemerford]

I think we might need another clue...:ok:

[MReyn24050]

I think we might need another clue...:ok:
Back again. Must stick to the rules.

This aircraft was a glider powered by a motorcycle engine. In 1921 it took part in a competition but did not win anything.

[Self loading bear]

It sure would have been a winning contestant in the Caption competition!
But in grace it loses from the Rohnbuzzard.
I will leave the kill for Quemerford as I found his caption the best.

[Quemerford]

No go ahead - I'm at a loss...

[Self loading bear]

1921 glider competition
2nd result Budig glider which took part in the famous German Rohn glider competition.
I found that it was only in 1923 that it was fitted with the motorcycle engine.

OH when found to be correct
I hope Quemerford will fill the gap?

[MReyn24050]

You have it SLB the Budig Glider according to Flight Archive it took part in the Rhon Competition in 1921. Here is a photo of the aircraft on the ground.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/681x298/untitled_2_copy_7def864a60574aa24cd1e7a5e1645e313e3cf27a.jpg

[Quemerford]

1921 glider competition
2nd result Budig glider which took part in the famous German Rohn glider competition.
I found that it was only in 1923 that it was fitted with the motorcycle engine.

OH when found to be correct
I hope Quemerford will fill the gap?
Amazed that it flew: your go SLB!

[MReyn24050]

The article in the Flight Magazine for Jan 4th 1923 has a photograph captioned :-
"THE BUDIG GLIDER IN FLIGHT, PROPELLED BY ITS 4 H.P. ENGINE : This machine was entered for the Rhon competition of 1921, but did not then do anything very startling".
However it goes on to say:-
"Among the gliders entered for the German gliding competition in the Rhon, in 1921, was a peculiar " tail-first " biplane, or " one-and-a-half plane," designed by Herr F. Budig. For some reason, not known to us, the machine does not appear to have accomplished much, and in last year's competition nothing was heard of it. It now appears that the Budig machine has come to life again, this time as a lowpower aeroplane, or glider with auxiliary engine".

[Quemerford]

If OH:


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x900/flugzeug_b39f4252985579de2630e490064717b3649a8356.jpg

If not . . . disregard!
One of my favourite biplanes! Wish it was still in the UK...

[Self loading bear]

If OH:


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x900/flugzeug_b39f4252985579de2630e490064717b3649a8356.jpg

If not . . . disregard!

At least it’s location is proof that aircraft design is an art.

[Octane]

What is it. It's quite beautiful really..

[DaveReidUK]

That landing gear looks distinctly agricultural.

And, if I'm not mistaken, the upper wing appears to have a hole in it, through which the pilot sticks his head.

I reckon it's a bitsa.

[treadigraph]

It's real and complete as far as I know. There exists the vestigial remains of another which is apparently being restored to fly.

[MReyn24050]

Open House declared by Discorde. Here is the next
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x291/pprune16_99cda7a3a87d707954475bf8030f2c4748fb3764.jpg

[SincoTC]

Hi mel,

Is that a Mercedes D.IIIa engine?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Trevor it is a Mercedes D.III engine.

[SincoTC]

Hi Trevor it is a Mercedes D.III engine.

Thank you Mel :ok:

From the shape of the exhaust pipe and the number of bays, I believe your challenge is the sole AEG Dr.I ??

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay Trevor. However it is roughly 24 hours si8nce posting the challenge. You are correct it is the AEG Dr1. You have control.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x572/aeg_dr1_570de293b3216fe324c3538a0de58d6a40af248a.jpg

[SincoTC]

Thank you Mel, a good challenge :ok:

I have to go out at the moment, my next door neighbour is unwell so I will have to call Open House and hope it will be picked up by some of our overseas members!

[India Four Two]

SincoTC, sorry to hear about your neighbour.

I'm overseas, so here goes:


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/576x416/wac_2019_11_15_d8ceff7a07f4c86f4f6b51f6fc2f6445c5b469dd.jpg

[treadigraph]

I'm not and, gee, it's a fok of a challenge! :)

[DaveReidUK]

I wooden be so sure.

[Quemerford]

SincoTC, sorry to hear about your neighbour.

I'm overseas, so here goes:


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/576x416/wac_2019_11_15_d8ceff7a07f4c86f4f6b51f6fc2f6445c5b469dd.jpg

Built near a motorway service station. Sort of.

[India Four Two]

Clues galore!
Now, now treaders, this is a family page! ;)

Dave, you need to spruce up your spelling.

Quemerford is hot on the trail. Perhaps "built near the site of a future motorway service station"?

[DaveReidUK]

Quemerford is hot on the trail. Perhaps "built near the site of a future motorway service station"?

The structure just visible on the extreme right of the photo is a bit of a giveaway too, having survived until last year ...

[India Four Two]

I know. I thought about erasIng it!

[oncemorealoft]

It’s the Napier Heston Racer Type 5. Open House please, if confirmed.

[India Four Two]

Correct. An aircraft I stumbled on recently. Until I looked it up, I thought it was a light-aircraft racer, but it had a Napier Sabre engine!


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x577/wac_2019_11_15_ae4af95c24383be053c667995f3a1a7eb10f2486.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napier-Heston_Racer

Crashed on its first flight, luckily the pilot survived.

oncemorealoft has declared Open House

[Quemerford]

Correct. An aircraft I stumbled on recently. Until I looked it up, I thought it was a light-aircraft racer, but it had a Napier Sabre engine!


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x577/wac_2019_11_15_ae4af95c24383be053c667995f3a1a7eb10f2486.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napier-Heston_Racer

Crashed on its first flight, luckily the pilot survived.

oncemorealoft has declared Open House

...and a natty radiator outlet beneath the tailplane, ahead of the rudder. Another beautiful machine.

[FlightlessParrot]

...and a natty radiator outlet beneath the tailplane, ahead of the rudder. Another beautiful machine.

I'm not saying this just to be argumentative, but I really wonder about "beautiful." It seems to me to suffer from the exaggeration and unbalance (from a purely aesthetic point of view) that often goes with racers and extreme speed machines. I'm thinking of the Gee Bee racers, for instance. Someone might say that this is a very subjective thing, which is true, but I noticed when I went to Wikipedia to look up the Heston-Napier, the author of the article puts "beautiful" in quote marks; and also that this aircraft rather spectacularly did NOT fly right.

[Quemerford]

Well I'm sticking with it.

[Jhieminga]

I must admit that, aesthetically, I too find it a beautiful design. When I look at it from a piloting perspective, I only see a big packet of trouble. So I guess it all depends on your viewpoint. :rolleyes:

[MReyn24050]

oncemorealoft declared Open House so to keep things moving here is the next:-
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x426/pprune18_47ca03c50f42bd844037670fdbc7431a423241b1.jpg

[FlightlessParrot]

I must admit that, aesthetically, I too find it a beautiful design. When I look at it from a piloting perspective, I only see a big packet of trouble. So I guess it all depends on your viewpoint. :rolleyes:

Indeed. I was wondering whether I would change my mind if I saw it from other angles, so I searched for images, hoping an in-flight photograph would show me something breathtaking about the wings. I saw there weren't many in-flight photographs. Then I remembered why.

[India Four Two]

FP,
I did find this three-view of unknown provenance on an RC website. The plan view is uninspiring!

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1222x1100/napier_heston_racer_c751467a97d74a006e75cb3475655db06936f0f4 .jpg

[India Four Two]

Mel,

Was your challenge built like that or was it originally a sesquiplane?

[MReyn24050]

Mel,

Was your challenge built like that or was it originally a sesquiplane?

Hi Simon, it is Simon isn't it?
From the information I have it was built to meet a certain requirements. I hope in a way that answers your question.

[India Four Two]

Hi Mel,

Yes, it's Simon. I'm not sure in what way your answer helps me! :)

Is it from the US?

[Self loading bear]

I think the outboard flaps are a kind of full flapping ailerons?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Mel,

Yes, it's Simon. I'm not sure in what way your answer helps me! :)

Is it from the US?
Yes it is from the USA.

[sablatnic]

Curtiss Tanager from the 1929? Guggenheim competition - the winner. The HP Gugnunch was 2.

[MReyn24050]

Curtiss Tanager from the 1929? Guggenheim competition - the winner. The HP Gugnunch was 2.

You Have it sablatnic. It was the Curtiss Tanager
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x437/curtiss_tanager_2727997ffd46c37974e1f47a8771e09a1fbc6152.jpg

You have control.

[DaveReidUK]

Curtiss Tanager from the 1929? Guggenheim competition - the winner. The HP Gugnunch was 2.

Gugnunc, rather than Gugnunch.

The name has an interesting history:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/163x185/gugnunc_d7fa85a9bf49900d2f233367a9b28bcf24ca5a34.jpg

[sablatnic]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/383x240/sab0143_97f9dfe81ec95787cecbbdee4645e50ddc72add6.jpg
Next next one, if I can make this work - and how do I modify a photo, so google can't recognize it?

[oxenos]

Looks like a Fokker Eindekker on skis, but the fin looks a little different

[India Four Two]

sablatnic,

I wouldn't worry about modifying your photo. The fun of this and the other two quizzes, is in searching for the solution and/or posting guesses for the poster to respond to, by posting clues.

The convention adopted by most of the regulars here, is to not use any form of automatic image search. Doing so takes away the fun.

[ea200]

That looks like a Finnish flag on the tail and they did have Eindekkers. The fin may be misleading. I think I see left aileron and right rudder which would shorten the view of the fin trailing edge.

[sablatnic]

It wasn't Finnish and it wasn't an Eindekker, wasn't even inspired by Fokker
Some of them were exported to the Netherlands.

No matter what I did to my #1 upload, google kept recognizing it - maybe I just trained google. I won't bother then, have fun!

[Asturias56]

It isn't Finnish but I think it's Swedish... possibly a Thulin K on skis - based on the Nieuport IVG which they'd imported I think (see below)

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x238/nieuport_iv_g_left_rear_63e6bdecec1122798377ac67cc888d3436ef 6b43.jpg

[sablatnic]

Correct, the Thulin K.

The reason for the dark cross in the rudder is that the photo was shot using an orthochromatic film, which makes the yellow cross look darker than the blue rudder.

[Asturias56]

I thought it was just my eyes! But an interesting challenge - Thulin re-engineered (or knocked off) several other types I see.

Try this one:-

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1250/191120_trim_158eaed6c5765c1fc5224edbd530fdbb8b68a51e.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Asturias56. Your challenge aircraft was once a float plane I believe?

[ATSA1]

looks a bit like a Sopwith Tabloid...some had floats, some had wheels...

[Quemerford]

Looks more like a Sopwith Baby, but both it and the Tabloid had squared-off wingtips.

[longer ron]

You are getting warmer :)

[Asturias56]

I think Longer Ron can probably tell us - he's right - it could also have floats - and most of them weren't built by the original company - who were busy building other things at the time

Quemerford is closer than he/she thinks..... ;)

[MReyn24050]

Asturias56 aircraft is a Parnall Hamble Baby Convert. Parnall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parnall) also produced Hamble Babies, which had some detail differences from the Fairey produced aircraft. The last 74 aircraft were produced by Parnall as landplanes and known as the Hamble Baby Convert.

[Asturias56]

It's actually a FAIREY Hamble Baby Convert - Parnall only produced the Baby (which had floats) under sub-contract and then all the Converts (which had could have floats or wheels) but then the Fairey Baby was a significantly re-engineered version of the Sopwith Baby

MReyn has the stick

[MReyn24050]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x326/pprune19_433d659cbae08b14c84a29b2a4504bf81049c271.jpg
Thank you Asturias56. Here is the next one:-

[India Four Two]

The architecture and the aeroplane make me think of Germany.

[sycamore]

Possibly Klemm (Daimler) L20,Porsche engine.... OH if correct

[MReyn24050]

I42 German yes. Sorry sycamore this one was not from Klemm, the engine was a 2 cylinder engine.

[India Four Two]

I thought it might be a Klemm too. Ah well, back to the search!

[SincoTC]

Hi Mel,

I believe your challenge is Franz Xaver Mehr's Me.3 ?? It looks to be fitted with a 20 hp Ursinus horizontally opposed twin engine. It was built and tested at the Friedrichshafen factory in 1931.

There seems to be some confusion as some sources refer to it as an Erla-3 and say it used a DKW air-cooled inline 2-cylinder, but I think this referred to a later rework of the Me.3 because Erla Maschinenwerk wasn't founded until 1933 and as a joint venture between DKW's Jørgen Skafte Rasmussen and Franz Xaver Mehr who had producedhis earlier designs as Mehr Flugzeugbau Meckenbeuren

[MReyn24050]

Hi Trevor. It is in fact the Mehr Me 1 and the information I have,from the book Historische Deutsche Flugzeuge bis 1945", gives it as being powered by 20 hp Ursinus U2 horizontally opposed twin engine. You have control.

[SincoTC]

Hi Trevor. It is in fact the Mehr Me 1 and the information I have,from the book Historische Deutsche Flugzeuge bis 1945", gives it as being powered by 20 hp Ursinus U2 horizontally opposed twin engine. You have control.

Thanks Mel, you beat me to it! I was just about to come back and change it to possibly an Me.1 and Airwar said it was developed from the Me.1 but labelled it as Me.3 http://www.airwar.ru/enc/law1/erla3.html

I have just found a good online publication "DKW und die Erla-Me-Flugzeuge: 1926 bis 1945" the translation wouldn't work, but the drawings seem to agree with your source!

Edited to say that I now see that what I found appears to be Airwar's source, so I'll have to work on the translation and see where they went astray. it looks like yours but most of the photos show it fitted with the upright inline DKW engine!

As I have just put up a cockpit to keep that thread going, I'll declare an Open House here so as not to hog two threads at the same time and hope someone picks it up!

[Asturias56]

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x794/191122_trim_48ebbecd41bb0ce2fb89ba23322e1444529d9ae1.jpg

rather a strange one - not many built................

[Kemble Pitts]

Clearly a Bristol Fighter derivative, but quite what beyond that I have no idea.

[MReyn24050]

Clearly a Bristol Fighter derivative, but quite what beyond that I have no idea.
Possibly a F.28 Mk IV ?

[Asturias56]

MReyn - do you mean F.2B mk IV or Bristol Type 28 - the 3 seater Tourer of 1919?

It's neither but you are on the right lines.................

[FlightlessParrot]

...
I believe your challenge is Franz Xaver Mehr's Me.3 ?? ...
Another 106 iterations of the design, and it could be quite good.

[MReyn24050]

MReyn - do you mean F.2B mk IV or Bristol Type 28 - the 3 seater Tourer of 1919?

It's neither but you are on the right lines.................

Sorry yes I did mean the F2B Mk VI should really change these glasses however it appears not to be correct.

[treadigraph]

I thought the Bristol Tourer was Peter Masefield's Chippy conversion....

[Asturias56]

There were a lot of Tourers................ they built 5 of this specific variant I believe

[SincoTC]

Well, the pattern and number of holes, louvres and details on the cowling appears to match the 180hp Wolseley Viper-powered Bristol Type 88 Bulgarian Tourer ??

Edited to say the numbers built also match! It would seem to have been under powered in comparison to other types which were 200 - 300 hp

[Asturias56]

Absolutely correct ......... 1923 I think


Over to Sinco

[SincoTC]

Absolutely correct ......... 1923 I think

Over to Sinco

Thanks Asturias, a good challenge :ok:

Here is the next one! "All aboard for the holiday outing" :)

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/943x740/namethattc006_8145282456810e4f1b2dae68076d70451b9b635d.jpg

[Asturias56]

"We've only got to sort out the CoG issue and we'll be fine..."

[Self loading bear]

No wonder that cockpits have been cramped since a cockpit has been fitted.
It is the fault of command that they keep adding functionality.

[SincoTC]

"We've only got to sort out the CoG issue and we'll be fine..."

No worries about the CofG !! There are about 30 cases of booze lashed to the tailplane (which is also a biplane) :)

[MReyn24050]

It is amazing how little Air Trooping has changed so little over the years.:)

[Asturias56]

Well it looks as if it had at least 3 seats?

[India Four Two]

Well it looks as if it had at least 3 seats?

... and a double-barreled designer? ;)

[SincoTC]

Well it looks as if it had at least 3 seats?

Yes, officially slightly more, but it did fly with almost as many as the photo above. but maybe one of them jumped out :eek:

... and a double-barrelled designer? ;)

I think I'm going to have to make you cross and ask you to be a little more specific to claim this one Simon! :)

Strictly speaking, the designer wasn't double-barrelled :8

[Self loading bear]

After it was shot down by a double barreled shotgun it did burn in the alley for hours?

[India Four Two]

Strictly speaking, the designer wasn't double-barrelled https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/nerd.gif

Interesting. It just goes to show you can’t trust the Internet. Hyphenation notwithstanding, he is Number One in my book, or Nombre Trente, depending on your point of view.

I’m not sure where pyromaniac SLB is going. Up a blind alley, perhaps?

[SincoTC]

Interesting. It just goes to show you can’t trust the Internet. Hyphenation notwithstanding, he is Number One in my book, or Nombre Trente, depending on your point of view.

I’m not sure where pyromaniac SLB is going. Up a blind alley, perhaps?



I took the designer's name from Wiki, but it is backed up by contemporary articles in the FA! I knew I was going to make you cross if I asked for the details, but their designations didn't go to Nombre Trente ASFAIK.

"pyromaniac SLB" Me neither, except that as the main airframe started out as Ash, it probably finished up as ashes! :)

[MReyn24050]

Well it deriainly was an interesting Aeroplane. Apparently the first parachute descent in Great Britain from an aeroplane was made from this aircraft on the 9th May 1914.

[Self loading bear]

"pyromaniac SLB" Me neither, except that as the main airframe started out as Ash, it probably finished up as ashes! :)

my apologies I had a short time window this afternoon to follow the thread.
From the double barreled Remington I came to the Remington Burnelli.
But apparently wrong.
And now I cannot match the photos of the RB2 with the challenge.
Again apologies, I will not infuriate this challenge again.

[Asturias56]

well the first British parachute jump from an aircraft was at Hendon in 2014 I think but no idea from what

[Asturias56]

A Grahame-White Type XV?

[SincoTC]

my apologies I had a short time window this afternoon to follow the thread.
From the double barreled Remington I came to the Remington Burnelli.
But apparently wrong.
And now I cannot match the photos of the RB2 with the challenge.
Again apologies, I will not infuriate this challenge again.



No need at all for apologies Bear! As you a say, when you had more time you could not match the Remington Burnelli aircraft to the challenge and because of this reason your comments just caused puzzlement, but I'm sure that in no way did it infuriate anybody and for my part, I did look again at the history of my challenge to see if a local farmer or landowner did take a pot-shot at it for scaring his animals or horses and how the aircraft finished its working life and finding nothing I came up with my Ash/ashes comment complete with smiley! So definitely no apologies needed and there (was) still time left to actually now give the correct answer before the pathetic 24 Hr rule expires :ok:

[SincoTC]

A Grahame-White Type XV?

Not the XV, you're very close, but think about my original mention of "holiday outing" and the very British terminology of the pre-WWI era :)

[Asturias56]

Now that makes it easy!

The Grahame-White Type X Charabanc or Aerobus

The original Airbus!!


OH if correct

[SincoTC]

Now that makes it easy!

The Grahame-White Type X Charabanc or Aerobus

The original Airbus!!

OH if correct

I wondered if anyone would notice my subtle clue accompanying my challenge photo, but while the term Charabanc (often pronounced "sharra-bang" in colloquial British English) is a type of horse-drawn vehicle or early motor coach, usually open-topped, common in Britain during the early part of the 20th century and now very rarely, if at all heard, but was still in use back in my youth in the little village where I lived, as the old boy (Ex RFC) who ran the local shop/petrol station and taxi-service had one and used it for a makeshift bus service to the County Town and for our school outings (minus the booze)!! :(

However, it did the job for you! Well done
It is indeed the Grahame-White Type X Charabanc :ok:

In 1912-13 Claude G-W used this large pusher biplane designed by J D North for joy-riding. Also known in the popular press of the time as the Aerobus

The accursed 24 Hrs has now passed and Asturias56 has declared an Open House

[Self loading bear]

So I was on the track of a different rifle maker!

Now this one with a very strange angle of attack:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/972x609/f55dcd96_0519_4bf2_8fe7_cc74b1ed01bf_a7e145f26c875ce341529b3 a7ad7c12cdf9fcbf6.jpeg

[MReyn24050]

You certainly have an odd duck there SLB1

[Asturias56]

One of those US road transportable aircraft?

[Self loading bear]

Road transportation has not been proved I believe.
But a US duck indeed!

[Quemerford]

Annoyingly I recently watched a period film of this aircraft being removed from its hangar, being erected and then flown. Can't remember what it was called though!

[DaveReidUK]

One of those US road transportable aircraft?

That's the usual reason for folding wings or similar. Looks like a neat arrangement.

[Self loading bear]

Quemerford,
that’s is the video of which this a screenshot.
I have a link ready to post once identified.
The clues are already out there!

[Quemerford]

The 1930 Sellmer Sportsplane; designed and built by Danish-born Jacob P Sellmer in California. OH if correct.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1020x2000/x2_4ccf4d9342678fc10dc1ae7978d7cafa6c6c4274.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Quemerford has it with with the Selmer Sportsplane.
1 built, none sold.
Features on YouTube Odd ducks

Q has declared OH

[Asturias56]

Something a little different -

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/685x393/191125_crop_2_88ebae86e2d2a41123e8291fc7c8c542c218f565.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Something from the Russians I believe.

[sablatnic]

Could very well be a Mig 5

[Asturias56]

A bit more specific please................
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/950x441/191125_crop1_f3357d5aa66e28ded60814cfc38646840c54a98e.jpg
(plus 24 hour rule)

[sablatnic]

The Mikoyan-Gurevich DIS-T, intended to be named Mig 5 when in production


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/452x148/mig_dis_1_8c722d98fd597b1cead62f50b241aafe2254e708.jpg

[Self loading bear]

The Mikoyan-Gurevich DIS-T, intended to be named Mig 5 when in production


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/452x148/mig_dis_1_8c722d98fd597b1cead62f50b241aafe2254e708.jpg

Your photo looks like the DIS IT with radial engines and four bladed props.

[sablatnic]

Your photo looks like the DIS IT with radial engines and four bladed props.


It is. Didn't notice that - and it was no success either!

[FlightlessParrot]

I wondered if anyone would notice my subtle clue accompanying my challenge photo, but while the term Charabanc (often pronounced "sharra-bang" in colloquial British English) is a type of horse-drawn vehicle or early motor coach, usually open-topped, common in Britain during the early part of the 20th century and now very rarely, if at all heard, but was still in use back in my youth in the little village where I lived, as the old boy (Ex RFC) who ran the local shop/petrol station and taxi-service had one and used it for a makeshift bus service to the County Town and for our school outings (minus the booze)!! :(


Quite recently I have heard "sharra" used for a motor-coach in the West Riding (or South Yorkshire, if you must), though not perhaps by the young.

[Asturias56]

It is the DIS - - it had a whole slew of later names as they tweaked it before putting it into production but MiG 5 was one of them

sablatnic (https://www.pprune.org/members/308294-sablatnic) has the con

[sablatnic]

Thanks!
Have this:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/582x583/sab0142a_8820306a1741ed762bc2ab2ef3d3ac64010361a5.jpg

I have always felt sort of sorry for it - have that feeling, that the designers could have made it a better aircraft without too much effort.

[treadigraph]

Blackburn Firecrest? OH if so...

[sablatnic]

Blackburn Firecrest? OH if so...

Yes, the Blackburn B 48 Firecrest.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x497/blackburn_firecrest_3374a206_5a98_44e2_b61f_b89f0d1ac0a_resi ze_750_41c58d657a44075442c34a6cc74fffc9a93dda4d.jpg

And over to you

[treadigraph]

Open house!

[Asturias56]

Another disappointing mid 40's Blackburn aircraft - they lost the plot for a while clearly.

Here's one that I'd forgotten about totally even though quite a few were built IIRC.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/311x121/191127_crop_8acd3b5e700a0b4162388ee4ccc0b2672063149a.jpg

[Asturias56]

It was also built a with a tricycle u/c

[treadigraph]

About 200 built I think, not a type I've ever encountered in the flesh...

[Asturias56]

There are still a few around I understand... used to be common around the place they were built
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/463x496/2019_11_28_082501_e17182ba33b00cac21909065d3acb05587085ed4.j pg

[kcockayne]

There are still a few around I understand... used to be common around the place they were built
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/463x496/2019_11_28_082501_e17182ba33b00cac21909065d3acb05587085ed4.j pg
Would that have been India ?

[Quemerford]

Would that have been India ?

Bit further up and to the left...

[Asturias56]

Not India - Quemerford is heading in the right direction - .................. just goes to show what you can do when a Govt is paying the bills..............

[DaveReidUK]

Looks a bit like a Deepak, but they didn't have a split windscreen.

[Asturias56]

Not a Deepak but this country has produced and continues to have an aircraft industry - never produced a "classic" airframe but several decent designs some of which are still in production

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/673x542/2019_11_28_082552_fe01407447897db7f3096166d5e8a4d92a6eea37.j pg

[SMOKEON]

Aisa I-11

[Asturias56]

Yes indeed - smokeon has the baton - Wikipedia entry:-

The I-11 was a two-seat civil utility aircraft manufactured in Spain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain) in the 1950s. Originally designed by the Spanish aircraft company Iberavia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberavia), its first (of two) prototype flew on 16 July 1951 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_in_aviation). It was a low-wing monoplane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoplane) of conventional configuration with fixed, tricycle undercarriage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_gear) and a large, bubble canopy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_canopy) over the two side-by-side seats. Flight characteristics were found to be pleasing, but before plans could be made for mass production, Iberavia was acquired by AISA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AISA).

The new management decided to continue with development, but made a few changes to the design, reducing the size of the canopy, and replacing the undercarriage with a taildragger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_landing_gear) arrangement. This configuration entered production in 1952 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_in_aviation) with an order from the Director General for Civil Aviation for 70 aircraft for use in Spain's aeroclubs. The Spanish Air Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Air_Force) then ordered 125 for use in training (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trainer_(aircraft)) and liaison roles.

The Air Force then requested 200 aircraft built with the seats in tandem, which were designated I-115 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AISA_I-115) by the manufacturers powered by a 112 kW (150 hp) ENMA Tigre inverted air-cooled engine

[SMOKEON]

Thank you.
Open House

[Quemerford]

How about this?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x600/pict7027_76c90603cf8c15606d8b9cb48f320db6a0061c11.jpg

[DaveReidUK]

I'll just make a dart for my aircraft recognition books ...

[India Four Two]

Who stole the tail from a Mooney?

[treadigraph]

I'll just make a dart for my aircraft recognition books ...

Just for a lark?

[Asturias56]

Nice Champion Tri-Traveler behind

I wonder if this is the only Cessna 160 that was built?

[treadigraph]

Not the Cessna 160 which is this - rather ugly!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1023x637/cessna160_40e51fea9edb007a5f24da6a2f23ed6f5587098c.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Aero Commander 100 by any chance?

[Asturias56]

certainly looks possible - I can't remember ever seeing one but then at a quick glance you'd probably think it was a C-150 - especially the earlier ones pre-1960's build which had a straight tail - not as straight as that one which looks like a Mooney rip-off - but pretty straight.

Any idea how many were built?

[MReyn24050]

certainly looks possible - I can't remember ever seeing one but then at a quick glance you'd probably think it was a C-150 - especially the earlier ones pre-1960's build which had a straight tail - not as straight as that one which looks like a Mooney rip-off - but pretty straight.

Any idea how many were built?

Not sure of the total numbers built but Wiki gives further details of the aircraft:-

"The Aero Commander 100, various models of which were known as the Darter Commander and Lark Commander was a US light aircraft produced in the 1960s. It was a high-wing monoplane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoplane) of conventional design, equipped with fixed tricycle undercarriage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_gear).
The aircraft was originally designed by Volaircraft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volaircraft), first flying in 1960 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_in_aviation). The firm marketed the original three-seat version as the Volaire 1035 and a four-seat version with a more powerful engine as the Volaire 1050 before North American Rockwell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Rockwell) purchased all rights to the design on July 12, 1965, for production by its Aero Commander division. Production of the Darter Commander version continued until 1969 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_in_aviation) and of the revised Lark Commander until 1971 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_in_aviation) (by which time, Rockwell had dropped the Aero Commander (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_Commander_(aircraft_manufacturer)) brand name).
A Volaire 1050 was exhibited at the 1966 Hanover (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanover) Air Show and later sold to Finland. Other examples of the type were exported to Australia and Canada.
Finding the light aircraft market too competitive for its liking, Rockwell ceased production of the Lark Commander in 1971 and sold the rights to all versions of the aircraft to Phoenix Aircraft (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phoenix_Aircraft&action=edit&redlink=1) of Euclid, Ohio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid,_Ohio),[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_Commander_100#cite_note-1) but this company never actually put it into production."

[MReyn24050]

Bit more information on the Aero Commander 100:-

Volaircraft Inc developed the Volaire 10. This aircraft was an all-metal high-wing aircraft with a cabin somewhat similar to that of later Cessna 150 models. It had a distinctive vertical tail that appeared to be swept forward and the prototype (N6661D c/n 10) was powered by a 135hp Lycoming 0-29()-D2C engine. The basic Model 10 was a three-place aircraft with a gross weight of 1,9001b, but the definitive version was intended to be a full four-seat aircraft with a 350 1b increase in gross weight. It is believed that only six Volaire I0s (c/n 10 to 15) were completed and the four-seat Model I0A replaced it on the production line. Also known as the Volaircraft 1050, this model was fitted with a 150hp Lycoming 0-320-A2B engine..
In July 1965, Rockwell Standard Corporation bought Volaircraft Inc and the Model 1050 was built by the Aero Commander Division at Albany, Georgia. Initially, this aircraft became known as the Aero Commander 100 (and the few remaining Volair I0s became the Aero Commander I00A but, in 1968, a number of improvements were made. The front and rear windshields were altered, and this version was titled Aero Commander Darter Commander. Production continued until 1969, at which point the model was terminated with 335 units completed (c/n 26 to 360).

[Quemerford]

Good work all: OH then!

[Quemerford]

Gone a bit quiet. How about this?

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x520/xx2_d5c4b1ff89a4c14e13079a59059dfc10b43c21be.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Culver Dart by any chance?

[Self loading bear]

it looks that Quemerford has gone to great length to prevent google image recognition Gone a bit quiet. How about this?

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x520/xx2_d5c4b1ff89a4c14e13079a59059dfc10b43c21be.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x173/f6d0b25f_8e5f_4011_b786_6798a979ddb1_54c67cf4aabd049ddf12cba d677fa34a4dcc677b.jpeg

[Quemerford]

Hehe. That went a bit quick: must try harder. Over to you MReyn24050 (https://www.pprune.org/members/43233-mreyn24050).

[treadigraph]

Designed by Al Mooney - great looking aircraft, love to see one in the flesh.

[India Four Two]

I had never heard of the Culver Dart before. It has a remarkably low aspect-ratio. I wonder what the thinking behind that was.

[longer ron]

To fit in smaller Hangars ?? :)

Probably showing its racing pedigree.

[Asturias56]

Not too far off - designed to use low powered engines - and it was eventually a Mooney!

from Wikipedia:-

"In the early 1930s Al Mooney (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Mooney) was working for the Lambert Aircraft Corporation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_Aircraft_Corporation), builders of the Monocoupe series aircraft. He designed a small two-seat monoplane, the Monosport G.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culver_Dart#cite_note-1) When the company ran into financial difficulties Mooney bought the rights to his design and with K.K. Culver formed the Dart Aircraft Company.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culver_Dart#cite_note-2) The aircraft was renamed the Dart Dart or Dart Model G.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culver_Dart#cite_note-3)

The aircraft was a low-wing monoplane designed to be light with clean lines to enable it to use low powered aero-engines. It had a fixed undercarriage and a tailwheel. The initial version was named the Dart G powered by a 90 hp (67 kW) Lambert R-266 radial engine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_engine). That engine was in short supply, so the aircraft was fitted with a Ken-Royce engine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeBlond_radial_engines) and designated the Dart GK. The final version was the Dart GW powered by a Warner Scarab Junior (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Scarab_Jr) radial engine. Two special aircraft were built with larger engines. In 1939 the company was renamed the Culver Aircraft Company (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culver_Aircraft_Company) and the aircraft was renamed the Culver Dart."

[MReyn24050]

Here is the next one. Somewhat older than the Culver Dart:-
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x361/pprune20_47f3b7bce9c703e469666e94eba970552b78e200.jpg

[Asturias56]

looks French to me

also one of those rather bizarre engines with bits poking up into the pilots line of sight that seem to have been all the rage mid-way through WW1

[MReyn24050]

looks French to me

also one of those rather bizarre engines with bits poking up into the pilots line of sight that seem to have been all the rage mid-way through WW1

This one was not French, Riwever it was built towards the end of WW1.

[Asturias56]

American??

[MReyn24050]

American??
Not American, it was British.

[Asturias56]

I'm baffled - I shall go and re-read my Putnam's..............

[Asturias56]

Something like the Wright 840 Admiralty?

How many of these were built?

[MReyn24050]

Something like the Wright 840 Admiralty?

How many of these were built?

Not the Wright 840 Admiralty. Only two were built. The Company that built this aircraft did have a connection with the Admiralty.

[Asturias56]

Fairey N.10?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Fairey N.10. The reason the aircraft did not go into production was because it's general handling had not got the requisite qualities required for the purpose it was built. As the Machine was not fast enough for other use the original order was cancelled.

[Quemerford]

I did reply but that seems to have been deleted (?). Beardmore engine?

[MReyn24050]

I did reply but that seems to have been deleted (?). Beardmore engine?
No the engine in this aircraft was a Rolls-Royce Hawk.

[DaveReidUK]

Looks vaguely familiar, but I'm short of inspiration so I'll leave it to someone more sage than I.

[CoodaShooda]

Avro 504F? Although my source suggests only one was built.

[MReyn24050]

Avro 504F? Although my source suggests only one was built.
Not the Avro 504. However, this aircraft was built to meet a contract to produce an aircraft that had a more robust construction than the Avro 504.

[Asturias56]

I guess there is only one picture of this almost mythical beast?

[MReyn24050]

I guess there is only one picture of this almost mythical beast?

You may well be right. However, this Company went on to produce a float-plane whose air-frame differed very little from this type.and many components were identical. The engine however was different it was the 150 h.p. Hispano-Suiza..

[sablatnic]

The aeroplane in the photo, is it the first or second built?

[JENKINS]

Maybe the Sopwith B1? RR Hawk appears too small for such a lump.

[longer ron]

My Missus - who is much better at aircraft recognition than I am reckons you really need to know your onions (ahem) to ID this a/c manufacturer :)

Funnily enough I lived (for 4 years) very close to the factory where this a/c was built and the landing ground which was used for flying.
Not a major name in a/c manufacturing but they built hundreds of a/c on sub-contracts during ww1.

[MReyn24050]

The aeroplane in the photo, is it the first or second built?
I believe it was the first i.e. the prototype.

[MReyn24050]

Maybe the Sopwith B1? RR Hawk appears too small for such a lump.

Not the Sopwith B1. Freon the information I have it was powered by a 75 h.p. RR Hawk.

[MReyn24050]

My Missus - who is much better at aircraft recognition than I am reckons you really need to know your onions (ahem) to ID this a/c manufacturer :)

Funnily enough I lived (for 4 years) very close to the factory where this a/c was built and the landing ground which was used for flying.
Not a major name in a/c manufacturing but they built hundreds of a/c on sub-contracts during ww1.

A lot of useful information there longer ron.

[sablatnic]

I believe it is the Sage type 3a.
Has to be!

[MReyn24050]

You have it sablatnic it is the Sage Type 3.

Frederick Sage & Company was a British shop fitting company based in London with an extensive practice in Europe, South Africa, and South America. During both world wars it built and designed aircraft and after the Second World War it executed much of the woodwork for the rebuilt House of Commons. The Sage Type 3 was designed in 1916 at the request of the Air Department of the Admiralty for a trainer. The main requirements were for a robust aircraft with a low landing speed.The Sage Type 3 was completed in Jan 1917, as a two-bay biplane powered by the 75 h.p. Rolls-Royce Hawk. Six experimental machines were ordered, and there was the prospect of substantial production to follow.The prototype, N. 5280, first flew on January 5th, 1917. The performance of the Type 3 was rather poor, even for a trainer.
J M Bruce in his book “British Aeroplanes 1914 – 1918” states; “The prototype underwent some modification and was fitted with smaller vertical tail surfaces; the all-up weight was reduced somewhat and the maximum speed was increased by 4 m.p.h. In its modified form the machine was known as the Type 3b, and the original form was retrospectively re-designated Type 3a.”

Only two aircraft were built.

[longer ron]

That was a good challenge MReyn - it even taxed my missus a little :)

[Asturias56]

I think MReyn deserves a prize for that one.....................

[DaveReidUK]

Built in Sage's Peterborough factory, according to Bruce Robertson's BMAS book. Navy serials N5280 to N5309 were allocated to the order for 30 Sage N.3 aircraft, but only the first in the sequence was used.

[longer ron]

The factory was at what is now Windsor Ave/Frederick Drive/Sages Lane,Walton, Peterborough,right by the Rlwy lines - it had its own sidings.

[l.garey]

Nice challenge. Although I'm no longer a player, I visit you regularly. Being from Peterborough I should have recognised Sage's. Some time ago I found a book telling its aeronautical history, which I bought but now cannot find. I think it was "Plane to Plane" by Martyn Chorlton. After building Avro 504 and parts of Horsas they turned their hand to Aeroncas after the war. The factory was close to Westwood airfield, just across the railway lines from Sage's Lane.

Laurence

[sablatnic]

Thanks, that was fun!
Found this photo too, on Twitter:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/879x403/sage_type_3_817e94a5650b90319aef2e23dfff006c8520fa9a.jpg
Sage type 3

[sablatnic]

Found this for the next challenge - shouldn't last long. There are lots and lots of photos of thing on the web.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/532x680/capture_01122019_013826__2d242ae5dd53a5255b17484588003dd563a e352d.jpg

[Quemerford]

Ah - a quadcopter if I recall.

[MReyn24050]

Is this the Lowe-Wylde Planette?

[Quemerford]

Is this the Lowe-Wylde Planette?

Ah - pre-quadcopter then. I was trying to be cryptic but yours was a bit more direct.

[sablatnic]

You are right, the B.A.C. Planetta!

[MReyn24050]

You are right, the B.A.C. Planetta!

Thanks for that..
As I understand it, Charles Herbert Lowe-Wylde's BAC VII two-seater was developed into the BAC VII Mk. 2 and during the summer of 1932, C H Lowe-Wylde converted two of these into single-seat powered gliders by fitting a 600 cc Douglas Sprite engine on a pylon above the wing and driving a pusher propeller.
This aircraft was known as the Lowe-Wylde Planette and it was first demonstrated at Hanworth on November 27th, 1932. Two further machines were converted in the same manner by December 27th that year. The designer now referred to the machine as the Drone. Sadly It was while flying one of these at Maidstone on May 13th, 1933, that the 32- year-old C H Lowe-Wylde was killed

I found the following photograph of C H Lowe-Wylde on the net. I believe it is the guy in the challenge image.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/284x381/c_h_lowe_wylde_17f26cff870ea0da7c76d85aaad5ba1870ad453d.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Here is the next:-
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x240/pprune23_60691bfe6c098960dd94ba8d64bf650ed7b0e3a0.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Ho takers. Well the engine a 200 H.P. Sunbeam Arab engine. The aircraft was intended for service with the Royal Navy.

[Quemerford]

Sopwith Cuckoo?

[MReyn24050]

Sopwith Cuckoo?
Not the Sopwith Cuckoo. However, it does have some connection to Sopwith

[Asturias56]

Hawker? He took over Sopwiths operation.

[MReyn24050]

Hawker? He took over Sopwiths operation.
Not a Hawker

[Quemerford]

Grain Griffin?

[MReyn24050]

Grain Griffin?
That is the one. You have control

[Quemerford]

Ah - success! I have to admit to being intrigued by the Sunbeam Arab engine; it promised a great deal, but possibly a case of being slightly ahead of its time and/or technology?

OK so coming up-to-date a bit, this probably won't last long but I liked it the first time I saw it xxxxxx years ago:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x466/x1_2f8165be5bb6b5cd64c2e6494e7ad20f57359a2a.jpg

[sycamore]

Seems to be the result of a `3some` night of Ling-Temco,Fouga,and Fournier......

[Asturias56]

you forgot Bede......................

[sycamore]

Bit of PZL,and add a dash of Williams,possibly a bit of Rutan,for the `veggies`....

[DownWest]

Anything to do with Monnet?

[Quemerford]

Nope: it is American though. 1970s and a one-off.

[Quemerford]

Anyone...?

[MReyn24050]

Still looking. Alreadt searched Janes 1973 through to 1981 without success, searched internet without luck. Closest aircraft meeting the image is the Fouga CM8 R9,8 - Cyclope I. However the aircraft in the challenge image is low swept wing and appears to be ac two seater.

[Quemerford]

It was indeed a two-seater, powered by a J85.

[MReyn24050]

That will make it the Hammer-Hunt HH-1 Zipper. Very interesting challege.

[Quemerford]

Yay. A promising design with a sad story...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/613x853/001_f07a159c0b8e715b18b3a0273346398a78ce8446.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/207x153/002_17a91422514f0a6abfe82b589c4f017a11ac1ce7.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/209x577/003_af23379172ba36a40b3160faf4158557c906bb6f.jpg

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/867x349/004_f855877dd14f4856d7c2816cf747dabe608348b9.jpg

Over to you MReyn24050...

[MReyn24050]

Good Challenge I only found it by you giving the engine type. I have subsequently found it listed in Jane'
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x293/pprune24_aa4408d3a903a83cbafa8b7d886a025d62db4db4.jpg
s 1979 to 1980 but no photograph. Here is the next:-

[Asturias56]

are we back in the 1930's here?

[MReyn24050]

are we back in the 1930's here?

No, this one first flew early 1940s

[Asturias56]

No, this one first flew early 1940s
possibly French??

[MReyn24050]

Not French

[Asturias56]

Is that a Ju-52/3m back right?

The challenge is very smart - Italian?

But who was building aircraft like that in WW2?

[kcockayne]

isn't it some sort of Caproni in the background ?

[MReyn24050]

isn't it some sort of Caproni in the background ?

The challenge aircraft is not Italian. However, the aircraft in the background could well be of Italian manufacture but not necessarily a Caproni.

[Self loading bear]

Wild guess as cannot find any photos:
Polish RWD built sleek trainers like RWD-23.
This might match the description for the RWD-26.
But I did not find a photo.

[MReyn24050]

Wild guess as cannot find any photos:
Polish RWD built sleek trainers like RWD-23.
This might match the description for the RWD-26.
But I did not find a photo.
Sorry SLB this aircraft was neither East nor West European

[oxenos]

Looks like an early version of the PT19 - Fairchild M62?

[MReyn24050]

Looks like an early version of the PT19 - Fairchild M62?
Not from the USA.

[India Four Two]

Wild speculation. Argentina?

[MReyn24050]

Wild speculation. Argentina?
Not from Argentine Simon

[evansb]

Mexican built TCAM "Sea TezIuitlan" Basic Trainer ? By the way, the aircraft in your photo post look so appealing to fly, I just might buy it and fly it within the remaining calendar days of the Festive Season.

[longer ron]

Another great challenge :)
My missus reckons it is a Brazilian CAP/IPT Planalto

A really cute little aeroplane :)

https://i.imgur.com/gY86xTh.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Mexican built TCAM "Sea TezIuitlan" Basic Trainer ? By the way, the aircraft in your photo post look so appealing to fly, I just might buy it and fly it within the remaining calendar days of the Festive Season.

Not that one I am afraid.

[MReyn24050]

My missus reckons it is a Brazilian CAP/IPT Planalto


Your misses has it it is indeed the Plaqnalto CAP.1 You have control.

[longer ron]

Thanks MReyn
I have passed congrats to the boss :)
Unfortunately we are a little busy at the mo to find a difficult challenge so am afraid it will have to be a boring OH

[treadigraph]

Nice looking machine, Ryan ST meets Bolkow 207, front end nicked from a Luscombe.

[oxenos]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/140x105/crop_f3348a82b066f059b2c757a6335c3f717a51b80c.jpg