Name that Flying Machine

[Asturias56]

looks horrible!!

[oxenos]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1023x674/rat_6492326f5a8ad83aea7b865e543ab35ba729a8d9.jpg
A definite resemblance

[Quemerford]

Convair...?

[Self loading bear]

Stretched limo version of the OV-1 Mohawk

[Asturias56]

I wonder if it's been cropped and in fact it's some sort of research ?glider? under the wing of something a lot bigger?

[Quemerford]

I wonder if it's been cropped and in fact it's some sort of research ?glider? under the wing of something a lot bigger?

Not a glider and not under a wing; it's twin-engined.

[Asturias56]

Piston or jet?

[Quemerford]

Piston or jet?

Prop-driven.

[Asturias56]

ah-ha - so possibly a turbo-prop...........................

[Asturias56]

almost the front end of an A-26 Invader - but not quite...............

[India Four Two]

Judging by the tow bar, the nose wheel must be a long way from the nose. Is this an aircraft that has had an experimental cockpit grafted onto the front?

[India Four Two]

While thinking about my previous post and the possible scale of the aircraft that nose was attached to, some of my "little grey cells" whispered Convair.

Bingo!
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1800x1255/iu_12_9eca089e7f8bd2ea497d86074ca1aef46034c6c1.jpeg

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/195751/convair-nc-131h-total-in-flight-simulator-tifs/

Sitting behind all that perspex, I would have been a bit worried about birdstrikes.

[Quemerford]

While thinking about my previous post and the possible scale of the aircraft that nose was attached to, some of my "little grey cells" whispered Convair.


...or my post #510...

[India Four Two]

...or my post #510...
I was so put off by the picture of the Naked Mole Rat that I missed your post, Quemerford! Perhaps I took it in subliminally. :)

[Quemerford]

For some reason my smiley emoji appeared at the start of my reply rather than the end: apologies if it came across as a bit abrupt. Anyhow you have it (emoji re-inserted) :) :ok:

[oxenos]

Lots of hints from Quemerford (https://www.pprune.org/members/480965-quemerford), but I 42 was the first with the full answer. Over to you

[India Four Two]

Thanks oxenos.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/842x748/wac_2019_12_14_408b3f787dc3c87e0f1385d4f4c726917a511c4c.jpg

[Asturias56]

Is that a Griffon engine on maybe a Shackleton?

[India Four Two]

No and no.

A Griffon is not that ugly.

[Quemerford]

The awesome Nomad.

[oxenos]

Lincoln test bed, but not, I think, a Nomad

[oxenos]

Yes, it is a nomad.

[chevvron]

Lincoln test bed, but not, I think, a Nomad
Or is it a Lancaster?

[Quemerford]

Lincoln RF402.

[India Four Two]

Yes, the staggeringly complex Napier Nomad I. One propeller driven by a turbo-supercharged two-stroke diesel and the other by the rotating parts of a turboprop, driven by the exhaust gas.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napier_Nomad


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/625x379/8010874a_c3e9_410e_ac1e_253352a80304_c9152e7f6ba89aa82d4c9b6 c6cee224ae4f166de.jpeg

oxenos has control.

[oxenos]

I once worked from an office in that hangar. Not, I hasten to add, in the days of the Nomad. Nothing to hand so OH.

[India Four Two]

Quemerford,

My profound apologies. I see you were the first Nomad in line!

You take precedence.

[Quemerford]

Quemerford,

My profound apologies. I see you were the first Nomad in line!

You take precedence.

No worries. How about this:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/620x350/xx1_198a1cb11a7c48f5d14bca91149f0c01ded3f2c9.jpg

[zetec2]

trying to work out if it is coming or going ?

[Quemerford]

It's going...

[Self loading bear]

Is it organic?

[sycamore]

It`s a Super-drone....

[Self loading bear]

On such high legs it it must be STORK
Sure
Tip
Over
Runway
Katastrophy

[treadigraph]

Never mind what it is, how do you get in?

[Quemerford]

By crane maybe?

[FlightlessParrot]

Never mind what it is, how do you get in?

In very small pieces, unless you're careful.

[treadigraph]

Ah, so it's a chopper! ;)

[Asturias56]

https://evtol.com/features/behind-the-controls-of-an-evtol-aircraft-a-test-pilots-perspective/

An EVA-XC ..................... there was an article on electric aircraft in some magazine on battery technology a while back

"At only around 150 miles (240 kilometers), the maximum range of Ava is limited. However, around the time of his cross-country flight, Clark also intends to unveil a production eVTOL model, which he said will be different in appearance and capable of flying much farther — up to 290 miles (465 kilometers).

Flying these aircraft will require different approaches to performance and flight planning. In a conventional helicopter or airplane, performance increases over the course of a flight as fuel is burned off, decreasing the aircraft’s weight. In an eVTOL aircraft, however, the weight remains constant during flight and power capacity degrades as the batteries approach a low state of charge."

he uses a bus to drive along behind it to charge it when it lands..............

[Quemerford]

Beta Ava XC, but close enough Asturias56: you have it!

[Asturias56]

Thanks - it was such a memorable machine in the original article it came back pretty quickly..............

here's another (not electrically powered)

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/231x195/2019_12_16_130720_97b23fffef6d3d0d75d6ce73ec2d41eecc57a3e6.j pg

[Self loading bear]

Beta Ava XC, but close enough Asturias56: you have it!

Congratulations Asturias!
I found this on the beta:

Electric VTOL for organ transports (https://evtol.news/2019/02/25/electric-vtol-for-organs-on-demand/)

Access is by stepladder (YouTube screen shot)

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/939x416/e4eb9360_cfc5_433e_ba8c_ee771653ee1b_78f2f506418fa15013612ba df88af540ef7c1877.jpeg

[Asturias56]

Thanks Bear - as I said it was featured as "a wave of the future" machine... they never mentioned the steps...........

[Quemerford]

Thanks - it was such a memorable machine in the original article it came back pretty quickly..............

here's another (not electrically powered)

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/231x195/2019_12_16_130720_97b23fffef6d3d0d75d6ce73ec2d41eecc57a3e6.j pg

Aha! I know this one so will give others a try.

[meleagertoo]

Is it organic?
If it's made of carbon fibre, yes, completely. If of glassfibre construction then partly mineral, the rest organic.

[Self loading bear]

If it's made of carbon fibre, yes, completely. If of glassfibre construction then partly mineral, the rest organic.

Thanks for the explanation

I think you did not get my drift?
When looking for VTOL aircraft, the first matching photo I found was In the article about the Organ transport..,

[Quemerford]

Thanks - it was such a memorable machine in the original article it came back pretty quickly..............

here's another (not electrically powered)

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/231x195/2019_12_16_130720_97b23fffef6d3d0d75d6ce73ec2d41eecc57a3e6.j pg

Meanwhile....

[meleagertoo]

Thanks for the explanation

I think you did not get my drift?
When looking for VTOL aircraft, the first matching photo I found was In the article about the Organ transport..,




Confess I missed that but doubtless a fugue got it...

Hat, coat?

[Self loading bear]

Confess I missed that but doubtless a fugue got it...

Hat, coat?

Fugue,

I had to look that one up.
i hope the musical variant and not the phyciatric one?

Meanwhile I keep to the 24 hour voluntary continence as proposed by Asturias.
Thus giving a chance to people lagg-ing in time zones

[Asturias56]

The current challenge is now over 24 hours old - everyone has been posting about the Greta Mk1 environmental egg whisk today...................

But I'm off out for dinner comrades..................

[sycamore]

Could be a Yak-3,on skis...?

[Self loading bear]

The current challenge is now over 24 hours old ........
But I'm off out for dinner comrades..................

When Asturias is off to diner we do not need to expect any answer today.
Enjoy!!!!

[Asturias56]

Not a YAK-3 - but the correct country

Quite how the pilot saw anything over that nose is beyond me

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/247x271/2019_12_18_084009_ffd0ee3b681c2de4c442825196d845b9cb8e6ff9.j pg

[sycamore]

How about the Bolkhovitinov S(Sparka)....?

[treadigraph]

Well, that's a new on me. Sorta similar in looks to the Schlepp...

[Asturias56]

Bolkhovitinov it is - actually the XI-L but as with all Russian aircraft actual nomenclature is not always clear

Over to Sycamore

[sycamore]

A56,Can yo put up the full pic ...?

OH this time......

[Asturias56]

Here are the ones I used -apologies it was an S-2M

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x206/bo5_94d0006c24a980f864fdbda440fbc3acc241cdd9.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x398/s_2m_103_6_5d2f548232124c01f7e0d3c7c2a034c967a918f3.jpeg

[Quemerford]

Anyone fancy this one?

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/887x616/z2_fe77f5eec71e9c13b19d4b560741bd4c87e18164.jpg

[Thrust Augmentation]

Yak-16?

Dropped in favour of an agricultural Biplane single that was built in the thousands for over 50 years!

[Quemerford]

Yak-16?

Dropped in favour of an agricultural Biplane single that was built in the thousands for over 50 years!

Well that was quick. No excuses: I like it. Over to you.

[India Four Two]

That’s interesting. I had never heard of the Yak-16. Initially I thought Li-2 but then I realized it was smaller and the turret was in the wrong place.

[Thrust Augmentation]

How about this (what I initially thought when I saw the Yak-16);


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x338/eh_what_80ce306a44b7e52c5ccad7337750f6b5c1b0376e.jpg

[oxenos]

Vickers Viking

[Thrust Augmentation]

Done in 6 mins - not bad & over to you.

[oxenos]

First flight I ever went on was on a Viking. Nothing to hand so open house.

[Thrust Augmentation]

First flight I ever went on was on a Viking

Mine in a Viscount - "pleasure flight" at an airshow on my Jack Jones at 10 Y/O.

[oxenos]

First flight I ever went on was on a Viking.
1954, at the age of 11, Bovingdon - Malta, when my father was appointed to Malta in the Royal Navy.
10 years later, as a brand new Pilot Officer I was flying its descendant, the Varsity, at Advanced Flying School

[Momoe]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/626x339/bp_77a317c1d0e0db954957d5a460628e73a9ad1afc.jpg
Came across this, not sure if it's been entered before

[Asturias56]

Not very big - maybe even smaller than a Sopwith Pup? Looks like a big engine for such a small airframe . French?

[Momoe]

Very good Asturias, French engine Gnome-Rhone 200hp

[Asturias56]

Always read the answers carefully as in "French engine Gnome-Rhone 200hp" but not apparently French

Doesn't look British & not in my books but it has three striped fin flash with white or a light colour in the centre - so not Belgium, don't think it's France as you'd dodged the question, could be US Army Air Service or Italy.

Probably Italy - maybe only a few built?

[Self loading bear]

Probably gnome delta-delta

[Asturias56]

Got it!! Good job the nights are dark and the weather foul - gives an excuse to stay in and scour the Web. "Italy biplane fighter 200 hp Le Rhone" worked

It's an Adamoli-Cattani built in 2016 but the engine never gave the rated power - pity.

Adamoli-Cattani biplane (http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft29773.htm)

[Momoe]

Well done! You have the chair, shame because it's an attractive looking aircraft and if they had got the engine installation right it might have been a contender.

[Asturias56]

Yes tho what the handling would have been like with such a short fuselage and such a big engine.......................

here's another - it did fly - honest............


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/317x331/2019_12_20_084347_0ef042d46091dd7d9fb18898a83f376adb9ad5c9.j pg

[Self loading bear]

Good that they left the cylinder head cowlings off!
Those are dead ugly when fitted.

[Asturias56]

Yeah - totally unnecessary the mechanic told me.............

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/402x299/2019_12_20_083858_3f007648ce99d836a8845157e7180c3e3f35b70b.j pg

[treadigraph]

Ah, I think I recall that - Czech homebuilt? Presume it turned turtle somewhere?

[Quemerford]

Brouchek W-01 - T-tailed and present at the (1984?) PFA Rally. I'm sure I went that year but don't recall seeing it. Maybe it was a later year?

[Self loading bear]

Good that they left the cylinder head cowlings off!
Those are dead ugly when fitted.

I was thinking about the Salvay-Stark Skyhopper.
But proven terribly wrong!

coat,
hat,

exit

[treadigraph]

Brouchek W-01 - T-tailed and present at the (1984?) PFA Rally. I'm sure I went that year but don't recall seeing it. Maybe it was a later year?

That's the one - I think it was at the first PFA I went to which was '83.

[Asturias56]

Yes Quemerford has nailed it - a rather nice little job - now in a museum ................

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/219x216/2019_12_20_084409_60508ce9743ce3faa14aaedc1fcc6da2ae92176d.j pg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/710x233/2019_12_20_083643_6d7f84f6c12542bd0deb47c03292852552f10cfc.j pg

[Quemerford]

OK try this.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x342/xx3_09733c8d02320ee037cf605c9c09a85052f0b922.jpg

[Asturias56]

did it actually fly? It looks lethal..................

[treadigraph]

Burt Rutan's little know first project, the Vari-Dodgee

[Quemerford]

It did fly (and yes it apparently was a bit dodgy): not sure how many times though!

[treadigraph]

Just looking again at Asturias's second pic of the Brouchek - the little aeroplane in the background also made it to the PFA in the mid-80s - name forgotten I'm afraid!

[evansb]

Tri-cycle gear, no tail, swept-back wings with winglets, and a canard.. .so it was kinda advanced. The Waterman "Whatsit"/"Arrowplane" ? I think it sped well over 65 m.p.h. in level flight.

[Quemerford]

evansb has it: according to Wiki it had a gestation from 1911 to 1932 (?!!), so a gestation phase even longer than some recent military types. It's now preserved with the Smithsonian.

Over to you, evansb.

[evansb]

Thank you Q in Wilts. Here is the next quizzer:



https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x334/qckdubk_b0c7b699748218e583e08c002412a7e876735774.png

[India Four Two]

Going back to the Brouchek, I tried to identify it by (unsuccessfully) looking for the engine, with its unique pushrod configuration.

It’s a 75HP Praha D:



https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1180x790/3456d247_4942_4ae4_9110_650f884b0e2b_aab7ce53665176a6e502e8a 1112c0d037dabf3be.jpeg

[Quemerford]

Yugoslavia?

[evansb]

Not Yugoslavia, but the Mother Country has plenty of states.

[evansb]

Here is another view:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x318/j5nbtll_609c5453a9aa03cdbf30e28cc2db112f7c4557d9.png

[kcockayne]

Is it Argentinian ?

[evansb]

It is the Mexican designed and built Lascarian. Only one was built.

OPEN HOUSE.

[longer ron]

Correct spelling is Lascurain (Aura ?)

[evansb]

longer ron is correct. My spelling error. The Lascurain Aura was a prototype of a regional aircraft designed and built by Mexican engineer Angel Lascurain. It was the largest aircraft designed and built in Mexico.



You have control if you want. Merry Christmas.

[longer ron]

Thanks but I have nothing ready so Happy for OH

And also Merry Christmas to all - there have been some devilishly difficult aircraft lately :)

[India Four Two]

Merry Christmas all - still Christmas Eve here, with one minute to go.

Here's something to ponder while eating your turkey. Who said triplanes were going out of style?


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x609/iu_3_2b22120a4cc1c3360cdadbd1431966f253c8aab7.jpeg

[421dog]

Parnall Possum Prototype

Extra points for such an alliterative choice.

I am out of town working, and must leave the field open to better prepared Ppruners.

[India Four Two]

Parnell Possum Prototype Properly Pinpointed.

That didn’t last long! I had never heard of it before I stumbled on the picture.

I noticed the contra-rotating props and initially thought “No critical engine in the engine failure case.” and then I realized that both props stop when the engine fails, so my thought was irrelevant!

One Napier Lion driving both props via shafts and bevel gears - a sort of updated Wright Flyer.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1971x897/fec0e4e3_7730_4f7f_8b65_f9ce4bcc092a_4555794837f61f06d2633f2 8ee9c87fa92728082.jpeg

Open House has been declared.

[Archer4]

Lets see if anyone knows this machine.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1408/flying_machine_46ed1b5dc7e6a44e55eed4d8f79e2fa4ca9e71b4.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Another alliterative aircraft

[oncemorealoft]

Another alliterative aircraft

Pander S4 Postjager. A Dutch postal service aircraft. Only one built.

[Self loading bear]

Haunted by mechanical problems.
It took part in the Melbourne race in 1934 but had a partial landing gear collapse in Allahabad.
After repairs it ran into a motorcar during take-off and burned.
Pander aircraft went bust on it.

[Archer4]

Indeed it is the PH-OST, Pander S4 Postjager. An exceptional futuristic design for its time. Unfortunately it crashed early.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x766/pander_s4_engine_run_756effc0979fb9aac066265f5f9f3b1231380cd 8.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x291/5129l_de257dc2416e887471ca938fc7f280ad88d19e54.jpg
Note the number "6" on the tail used durng the Melbourne race.

I think oncemorealoft called it.

[oncemorealoft]

Open House please. Can’t find anything challenging enough:O
I do love how this thread makes you explore further and find out about so many ‘what might have been’ aeroplanes.

[Self loading bear]

Oh:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1334x577/3950d7f2_0da9_4494_98b9_f071a361920d_3da7eec5bcc551f5d50ba1b 1bb1127a0be348774.jpeg

[sycamore]

Looks like it could have a Pobjoy radial engine....?

[Self loading bear]

It is indeed a Popjoy engine
however not from South America

[treadigraph]

Is it Finnish?

[Self loading bear]

Sorry not Finnish.

[Self loading bear]

Transport during building stage.
Then with a lighter engine.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/452x287/5d2a9a59_9617_47b9_b41b_b01d3eb632f4_04e12c40bbf5dbd72d58cfc f9e290b036b970829.jpeg

[Asturias56]

Is it French?

[Self loading bear]

Apparently it is difficult to determine the country?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1334x613/d5905ecc_f255_4308_9c6b_17714e30f268_191529ca873709e9dfdb7cc fe928485bf54a543d.jpeg

[treadigraph]

That's all Double Dutch to me!

[sycamore]

Lambach HL-1...…?

[Self loading bear]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/480x284/003a87e1_f9d8_4b50_a3b9_2d3f14ed7d06_5a030b27b1b10cb52ba957e 0556f78d7f0228e8e.jpeg
Lambach HL-1...…?
Definitely the Lambach HL-1
PH-DSA
Build by the Delft Student Aeroclub of Delft University.
Designed by old DSA member Lambach.
Initially powered by a Szekely SR-3 but later by the Popjoy.

The name Lambach lives on in the student foundation to facilitate aircraft building by the Delft aeronautical student.

Sycamore has control

[sycamore]

Try this one then....
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x199/7622a063c9ca6242c9092f749da4d907_a9140631646c92353d5e2165d36 644abffc96614.jpg

[kcockayne]

My guess is that it is a Zaunkoenig; or spelling to that effect !

[oncemorealoft]

Lambach HL2 replica.

[kcockayne]

My guess is that it is a Zaunkoenig; or spelling to that effect !
I looked it up; & it obviously isn’t. Apologies

[sycamore]

Once- more,into the breech,...off you go..!

[Self loading bear]

Lambach HL2 replica.

I think OMA can start preparing a challenge.
You have about 6 hours left.

[sycamore]

`oncemorealoft`,you have control.......,!!!

[chevvron]

My guess is that it is a Zaunkoenig; or spelling to that effect !
Similar I grant you but too many wings!

[oncemorealoft]

Here’s one:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1464x817/36d99382_0ffe_48f8_bde7_ef51dc86416f_cc99747475c1f25d9994beb a200e4f1e7d0a614f.jpeg

[Asturias56]

Surely it must be American?

[treadigraph]

It is and one still survives!

[oncemorealoft]

I wasn't aware that one still existed. Once the answer is revealed please tell us more.

[Quemerford]

Budd Conestoga. One at Pima I think?

[evansb]

Yup. NOT aluminium, but Stainless Steel. Yes! The RB-1 Conestoga was a twin-engine, stainless steel freight aeroplane designed for the USN during World War Two (2) by the Budd Steel Co. of P.A., U.S.A. Although it did not see service in combat, it pioneered design innovations in post-war cargo aircraft, some of which were later incorporated in modern military cargo planes.

I await oncemorealoft's approval. Excellent post by the way!

[oncemorealoft]

Quemerford has it. Well done.

[treadigraph]

The survivor at Pima is missing the outer wings, engines, tail plane and fin - don't know if they have the parts for an eventual restoration. It sits next to a Northrop Raider, one of two survivors...

[Quemerford]

Here goes then:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x483/9377500e2364581b298debf96061430a_b30db49e2ca5183a6e137085d9f 1a6dc50cdd44d.jpg

[treadigraph]

I don't think that is what I think it is!

[Quemerford]

I don't think that is what I think it is!

Well it might be.....

[treadigraph]

It isn't - I was thinking Cessna 407! But clearly earlier than that!

[Quemerford]

Ah I see what you mean: this is a twin-engined prop-driven, rather than jet.

[evansb]

That is non-other than Donald Douglas by his white-walled tyred "Cloudster II", circa 1947.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/422x239/g2gccco_ce733a2bed5a9c8f309c1a6429dc9fccdd011db2.jpg

[Quemerford]

Nice-looking machine: eventually donated to Santa Monica scouts and scrapped it seems.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/550x430/douglas_cloudster_ii_61137037a4723419a9a444000593f8752c93d3e 7.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x1493/1b_a1d3fdfa2aaf93eb4f222b5d22862dbbee5446e4.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x1147/1a_1ae432fc80149ca70b68558bf5aa77fbdaf3e2f5.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x1460/1c_3133310e74a786a7614e21c762f43241c0402210.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x1204/1d_72e4df18320fbcf3440510393ff3d4937ccdd763.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/620x2000/1e_8ddca52297cf188c7fa7cfaa209f573700b87132.jpg

evansb has control!

[sycamore]

Think it was transformed into the Jet Provost....!!

[evansb]

Another pusher design:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1050x519/dbeizjz_8038c819f336fea3374a6ba24cc3efb8e39f6a4c.jpg

[treadigraph]

The Cloudster was a bit of kit!

Evansb, is that an F1 racer?

[evansb]

Not an F1 Racer, but it is a one-off that may have been piloted by Wile E. Coyote.

[India Four Two]

It looks familiar. Is there one at Zamperini Field?

[CoodaShooda]

Acme Sierra

If so, Happy New Year and OH.

[India Four Two]

I knew I had seen it. The Western Museum of Flight is at Zamperini Field/Torrance CA.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/820x722/screen_shot_2020_01_01_at_1_34_29_am_c4d8eaa2606741fb3222dcd 0e1ef476fc122997a.png
S-1 Sierra (Sue) Acme Aircraft Co (Sierradyne Inc) (http://www.wmof.com/Serria%20Sue.html)

[India Four Two]

Here's a rather sad-looking ex-flying machine:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/486x380/wap_2020_01_02_cd683ef05c35d928a95edf70ca6b56d056eb94bc.jpeg

[JENKINS]

Percival Prentice?

[treadigraph]

Chipmunk I'd say, though the windscreen/hood doesn't look right.

[chevvron]

Canadian built ones had a different canopy to those of British manufacture.

[Quemerford]

Indian? Can we see the whole photo?

[India Four Two]

Not a Prentice or a Chipmunk.

I initially thought Chipmunk at first glance, due to the general arrangement, particularly the undercarriage legs, but no Chipmunk ever had individual sliding canopies over each cockpit. Also, the firewall is too close to the cockpit and those are not Gipsy Major engine bearers.

[India Four Two]

Discorde has it - the AISA I-115. I found that picture somewhere I can't now remember! It had no caption and even with EC on the part that I clipped, I had trouble tracking it down.

It does have some "Chipmunk-like" features:
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x443/screen_shot_2020_01_01_at_11_56_13_pm_62b18548f1479d2407d9ad 2bcb3b6e890a66757e.png

Discorde has control.

[treadigraph]

Slightly redolent of the McDonnell 119!

[asw28-866]

French by any chance?

[Self loading bear]

I hope the square windows where removed in the flying version?

[India Four Two]

They must be very powerful turbojets if it needed a fin that big!

[oncemorealoft]

How would the wing spar arrangement have worked?

[kildress]

Dassault Méditerranée?

[kildress]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/245x110/plane1_b59ba6b6b700d39c1ff554a6bd0a48c1ccebab53.png
Probably too easy for you all. My first effort.

[Self loading bear]

Nice effort!
Definitely an interesting airplane!

[Allan Lupton]

Used to see this being test-flown and can tell you what it is, but have nothing to post so I'll leave it to the others . . .

[Quemerford]

Nice one kildress; in later config with different engines top and bottom I think.

[oxenos]

Short on looks.

[DaveReidUK]

Nice one kildress; in later config with different engines top and bottom I think.

Yes, RR Avon RA.3 on top and DH Gyron DGy.2 below.

[meleagertoo]

Shorts Sperrin.
Open House.

[Quemerford]

Well it was nice while it lasted. :ok:

[Herod]

Darn. I've been out all day, and this was the first one I knew the answer to!!

[Quemerford]

OK how about this one: characterised by an unusual engine...

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x407/x1_c6efcb97369ad20b9c62cf657419d0899358cd75.jpg

[treadigraph]

Jeez, that looks like it's been milled from a solid chunk of granite...

[India Four Two]

Quemford's challenge looks like a scaled-up tin-plate clockwork toy. ;)

Judging by the size of that prop, I bet it was a noisy bugger! I also note that it appears to have dual-pitot heads.

Looking at the cowling, does it have an inverted inline-six?

[Quemerford]

Quemford's challenge looks like a scaled-up tin-plate clockwork toy. ;)

Judging by the size of that prop, I bet it was a noisy bugger! I also note that it appears to have dual-pitot heads.

Looking at the cowling, does it have an inverted inline-six?

Close..... :)

[DownWest]

Close...Would it be French with an inverted air-cooled V12?

[Self loading bear]

Hello SLB, I didn’t get St Merryn from your name, I know the place and recognised it immediately. Regarding J469, my point was that if challenges can be got so easily without effort, they’re not challenges at all. The Dassault flight deck is distinctive, but even so a moment’s work blacking out that placard would have been helpful.

Then I apologize for that.
I agree leaving a makers name, logo or registration number in the photo can make challenges quite easy, but then I personally do not react.

[oncemorealoft]

I was the guilty party regarding the Dassault’s placard which I’d failed to notice or recognise its significance. Sorry!

I did blackout the reg on the Conestoga though.:)

[kcockayne]

To me, it has got a “Mooney look” to it. Then again, I might be wildly out !

[Quemerford]

Close...Would it be French with an inverted air-cooled V12?

Apologies for the tardy reply. No, not French and not a Mooney. It is a 12, but not a vee....

[DaveReidUK]

It is a 12, but not a vee....

Though close (alphabetically speaking :O).

[Allan Lupton]

Though close (alphabetically speaking :O).
A W-12 like a Napier Lion?

[India Four Two]

Though close (alphabetically speaking :O).

I see what U did there!

PS The cockpit and windshield seems like a scaled-down DC-4. :)

[Quemerford]

A W-12 like a Napier Lion?

Nope. Not a boxer/horizontally opposed either.

[Herod]

So; a straight (in-line) twelve? That has to be one long and heavy engine.

[Quemerford]

So; a straight (in-line) twelve? That has to be one long and heavy engine.

Not that either. Two coupled sixes, side-by-side.

[JENKINS]

How about Vega Starliner 22?

[Quemerford]

How about Vega Starliner 22?

That'll do! Very interesting machine, flown in single and twin-tail guises. I do really like the look of it and wish someone would make a nice kit of it in 1/32 scale.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/694x474/c_3d016e17c1309033b78124b5c5f89c72ca67e13b.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x444/b_3940ee994ebcd7d168e163f00479ec390fc2507a.jpg

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x456/a_0f2b45bfbcf8e2f651ef69bdbd16851a3fe4db4e.jpg

Engine was a Menasco Unitwin:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/641x800/d_43603d6ce11dc197260e78b1cc54caaeb1a32261.jpg

Over to you Jenkins...

[DaveReidUK]

That'll do! Very interesting machine, flown in single and twin-tail guises.

ToKK8_Rs_aA

[Asturias56]

Wonder what the vibration levels were with that beast slung up front..............

[dook]

A very very belated Happy New Year to everyone.

[Asturias56]

Welcome back Dook - you've been missed

[JENKINS]

Thanks, lovely search. I had posted an OH for I was away from 1210Z; just passing through home again and still away, so OH. I found a British Pathe for the machine, and some interesting development info., mostly concerning the crashes!

So, OH I fear.

[Herod]

Seems like a good idea. Two engines without the asymmetric problems. I wonder why it never succeeded?

[DaveReidUK]

Seems like a good idea. Two engines without the asymmetric problems. I wonder why it never succeeded?

Underpowered, lack of any real market, and more pressing uses for Lockheed/Vega's production facilities in 1940.

[Herod]

You're probably right, Dave, but perhaps a shame nobody took it up post-war

[India Four Two]

but perhaps a shame nobody took it up post-war

Perhaps that was the inspiration for the Double Mamba! :)

[John Eacott]

Perhaps that was the inspiration for the Double Mamba! :)

And the PT6 Twin-Pac :ok:

[Asturias56]

Here's another one - certainly NOT a twin.....................

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/242x197/2019_12_22_123839_a433c38b683ae754c4cb7ae7e94e7df43422553b.j pg

[Quemerford]

Here's another one - certainly NOT a twin.....................

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/242x197/2019_12_22_123839_a433c38b683ae754c4cb7ae7e94e7df43422553b.j pg

Is there more to the photo?

[Asturias56]

Of course but that has the registration!

This had an extended development life and may have been modified to a tricycle u/c I believe. There were plans to build an awful lot of them but they all eventually fell through

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/269x180/2019_12_22_123901_3af10862890428a621ae8322675ff73d3eb50882.j pg

[treadigraph]

Reminds me of an Argentine type, can't recall what though. Also slightly of the Avia FL3...

[Asturias56]

Indeed - but not either

A sort of identikit small tourer trainer that people churned out hoping to emulate Piper. This was touted heavily for a major training contract with the National Air Force but never came up to scratch apparently. The country still builds a lot of aircraft but not this manufacturer

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/341x209/2020_01_07_105959_e2e9ce36914ace591f13c94fecc64e17759f4a2f.j pg

[dook]

Good morning everyone.

I think it's the Revathi Mk2 - found on Avia Deja Vu.

Open House please if I am correct.

[Asturias56]

The Return of the Master.........It is indeed the Revathi but quite how you tell the Mk I from the Mk II I'm not certain.

It was first flown in 1967 and lived a sort of ghostly existence until killed off in the mid-70's. The Indian Govt Auditor had some harsh words about the continued use of national resources when it was clear that the IAF didn't want it and had never been asked to offer any input to the original design... sounds familiar.......

[Senior Pilot]

Good morning everyone.

I think it's the Revathi Mk2 - found on Avia Deja Vu.

Open House please if I am correct.


dook,

Please note that at least 24 hours is to pass before a new contender be announced for this thread, along with the other two ‘Competition’ threads. This is an international forum and the quick turnaround of the (predominantly) UK members has become quite off putting to many others.

Plus it is up to the poster of the image to declare a winner!

[dook]

I offer my apologies - noted for the future.

[Quemerford]

Of course but that has the registration!

This had an extended development life and may have been modified to a tricycle u/c I believe. There were plans to build an awful lot of them but they all eventually fell through

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/269x180/2019_12_22_123901_3af10862890428a621ae8322675ff73d3eb50882.j pg

I'm only seeing half of your photos (the left half it seems)..:confused:

[Asturias56]

all trimmed to protect the innocent from getting an easy clue - like the registration or a company logo

The Revathi was tough as there are only a few pics on the web - and many of them showed the reg. or an obvious sub-continent background

I think I got the original from an old copy of Jane's tho'.

[dook]

I have the original image but am unable to post it.

It's here at avia deja vu
Civil Aviation Department Revathi

[treadigraph]

One tends to think, with a collection of post-war Observers books, several well-thumbed "Simply Vast Boys Book of All The World's Aircraft Ever", and a copy of Rod Simpson's GA book, that there'd be a limit to how many types which had appeared prior to about 1980 or so that could have escaped one's attention - wrong, wrong, wrong! As this thread keep proving!

[Asturias56]

Absolutely but remember those where the days when the USA was producing thousands of GA aircraft every year - people really thought that it would go one forever and that it would spread worldwide.

Plus of course you didn't have the safety & licensing rules you have now - just about anyone could build something in their garage and declare it suitable to fly in...............

[Self loading bear]

Asturias,
I think you can now safely indicate the winner of this challenge?

[Asturias56]

AS per post #720 it is the Revathi and Dook has control and can post immediately

[dook]

Good morning/afternoon/evening all.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x292/10_jan_f901ea54ba90509eeaa25f6c9e86272a238b5c8f.jpg

[Asturias56]

Is it a glider?

[dook]

Yes - a glider

[Self loading bear]

I searched quite extensively for flying wing gliders but could not locate.
Might it have been a non motorized scaled prototype?
I think we need another clue.

[treadigraph]

It's not an Armstrong Whitworth project is it?

[dook]

Nice to see two people taking some interest.

It was part of a series of Russian research/experimental machines.

[treadigraph]

I'm none the wiser I'm afraid, Dook, those fins remind me of the AW-52.

[John Eacott]

Thanks for the Russian tip, I’ve scoured the internet for days on this one!

Cheranovskii Che-22?

[Asturias56]

"I’ve scoured the internet for days on this one!" - same here - it's real toughie..............

[Archer4]

I agree it looks mostly like a design from Chyeranovskii. Closer is the BICh-11 although I don't think it is the solution. Can't find the right type.

[dook]

Good morning/afternoon/evening all.

John Eacott has nailed it with the Cheranovskii 22 (BICh 22) at last.

Your stage JE.

[John Eacott]

Thankyouverymuch :ooh:

Here's your starter for ten:


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x400/what_aircraft_2_46ee5bea8324f27d622b1f8400609d04d91d01f4.jpg

[treadigraph]

Another "sort of reminds me", an early stripped version of the Silvercraft SH.4 - I don't know if the SH.4 was a developed producton version of an early prototype?

[dook]

I think it might be American.

[John Eacott]

I think it might be American.

Sure is :ok:

Extreme load carrying capability, too :cool:


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x405/what_aircraft_3_e4e93cef162e1f7193ccbdb4375409b1ddc1702d.jpg

[evansb]

Seibel YH-24 ?

[John Eacott]

Seibel YH-24 ?

Nearly, but not quite :hmm:

Side by side seating on this one :cool:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x403/what_aircraft_4_28c203e55503ab84eb0a37ecd73ef3ae74fca866.jpg

[dook]

Then it must be the S-4B.

[John Eacott]

Then it must be the S-4B.


Yes: it must be!

The S-4A was assessed by the US Army in 1951 as the YH-24, but failed to be awarded a production contract; not least due to having only a single pilot position which limited its usefulness as a trainer! The S-4B was designed and produced in two months, with side by side seating, as a result of this assessment. The two YH-24s were destroyed by Cessna, who had an involvement in the Siebel concerns.

Over to dook :ok:

[dook]

Thank you JE.

However, evansb pointed the way nicely.

I regret that I must call OH.

[Asturias56]

I don't expect this horror to last long..............

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/198x140/2019_12_28_083832_5abe8badbc43de904ed7abb00b5dd1f1a373af2a.j pg

[dook]

I don't either...….

[oxenos]

Not the Airspeed one, its the other one.

[evansb]

It the the triple-tailed version of the General Aircraft G.A.L.38 Fleet Shadower. Subsequent modifications incorporated a single-tail, (vertical stabiliser).

[oxenos]

Not the Airspeed one, its the other one.

Airspeed produced a similar aircraft to the same Spec. (Operational Requirement OR.52)

[Asturias56]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/199x219/2019_12_28_083814_902a4c687242b3fe65c3a8ac5a3c7017380f3728.j pg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x188/gal38_1ee06b22ac7e0b75916f8c4681e339220c0d6903.jpg

[Quemerford]

Maybe show the full aircraft next time, or obscure any incriminating marks? Or do we need to start a separate thread showing obscure parts of aircraft?

Just a suggestion :)

[dook]

Oh no......we don't need any more threads !

There's nothing wrong with an incomplete view - it's been going on for ages on the most difficult aircraft thread site of them all.

It's called Avia Quiz - try it.

[Asturias56]

My alarm has gone off, the Witching Hour cometh and EvansB goes to the ball in General Aircraft G.A.L.38 Fleet Shadower

Not a familiar aircraft and an interesting idea - trouble was there was no enemy fleets to shadow really - and the ones that did exist (Japan) had aircraft carriers. I suppose it was a role exemplified by the FW 200 Condor .

[evansb]

Thank you. Here is the next mystery flying machine:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x566/dzxkroq_ffcaeea6d2bbce84bf1b6013851fe37ddbf79438.jpg

[Asturias56]

Is it Russian?

[dook]

Or American ?

[Asturias56]

he'll answer "YES" ........ :hmm:

[evansb]

It was built in the U.S.A.

[Asturias56]

I presume it was a limited production run?

[evansb]

Only one (1) example built. Presently on display in a museum.