Name that Flying Machine

[By George]

Is that RAAF Point Cook in the background?

[Noyade]

It is European. Not Point Cook in the background, George.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x303/scan1530_ea1bb8713dc15e2ef6e7718ca50c2c86cbe0b565.jpg


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/493x546/postage_stamp_f620732dba6fc0c95406d3620ee27acd90453012.png

[Asturias56]

first flight pre-1930?

[Noyade]

1929.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/504x429/scan1531_e1c1316a07d029af344b095d8cb7a1795b65a434.jpg

[Asturias56]

Heinkel He-57 I think?

[Noyade]

Heinkel He-57 I think?

Back to you A56. :ok:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_57


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/693x469/capture_73bdc7f50cb42848db0435d870000a3afe391812.png

[Asturias56]

Bit of a surprise - but with the year it became a lot easier

Open house!

[India Four Two]

Try this one:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1092x736/wfm_1_8c229c355ab91d263f542067fa958d97a2287f8d.jpeg

[Asturias56]

Have you flown it?

[oxenos]

Sedbugh T.21 Barge?

[chevvron]

The cockpit sides and nose are wrong for a Barge/Sedbergh; maybe one of the prototypes?

[BEagle]

Grunau Baby.

[chevvron]

Grunau Baby was single seat however the T21 series was developed by Fred Slingsby based on it.

[India Four Two]

Clearly inspired by the T21b Sedbergh, but with some differences. Here's the whole aircraft. Note the dive-brakes rather than hinged spoilers and the different fin and rudder.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1042/wfm_2_dbd32c114c7617c3c88fadba810c969f9044cb11.jpeg

Grunau Baby was single seat however the T21 series was developed by Fred Slingsby based on it.

​​​​​​​I remember a joke along the lines of Slingsby mis-reading the plans for the Baby, thinking the dimensions were inches rather than centimetres!

[Asturias56]

Is it British?

[India Four Two]

No. Go east, young man!

[Asturias56]

European?

[India Four Two]

Further east.

[Asturias56]

Part of the Empire n which the sun never set?

[India Four Two]

:ok: Rule Britannia!

[meleagertoo]

Civil Air Department RG-1 Rohini from India.

[India Four Two]

Sorry Asturias! Pipped at the post by meleagertoo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Aviation_Department_RG-1_Rohini

I stumbled on the Rohini quite by accident. I was looking up information on the Indian Mutiny, which took me to Lucknow and then to Cawnpore - now Kanpur. While looking at locations on Google Earth associated with the Siege of Cawnpore, I noticed a small airfield near the centre of the city, which took me to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Laboratory,_IIT_Kanpur

A Rohini glider, designed and developed at Technical Center of Civil Aviation Department and manufactured at HAL, was the jewel in the crown of the Flight Lab. The open cockpit, side-by-side seating, fabric covered wooden structure glider became very popular among students and used extensively for research work.

It's amazing where the Internet rabbit hole takes you.

meleagertoo has control.

[meleagertoo]

It's amazing where the Internet rabbit hole takes you.
Ain't that a fact!

So on that note here's a bit(!) of a surprise to me despite being a helo man.
I had no idea these guys were into building helicopters.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/216x176/screenshot_2024_02_15_at_21_51_37_ff28012c46642406201ce5867e 63cd98af671984.png

[Noyade]

Could be a very rare French machine?


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x428/scan1532_6845a7f6a06d84501e15cd593e3636bbf6152a7c.jpg

[Haraka]

IIRC some of the Westland/ Sud Helos had French car door handles.

[meleagertoo]

Well, that didn't last did it? Noyade has it.

I'm pretty sure the Gazelle had Renault 12 door handles and the fresh air vent pull was a Renault 12 choke control. (I had a Renault 12 at the time)

[sycamore]

Either Renault or Citroen had a car factory near the Aerospatiale factory in Marignane in early `70s..

[Noyade]

Cheers Mel.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x364/scan1508_f54d205b8c25966b4d13a33f7b04d179af69436a.jpg

[Zaxis]

CC01e, a small French canard aircraft designed by Claude Chudzik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or356Fiel8M

[Noyade]

:ok:
Nice looking bird from the late 80s. Over to you Zaxis.

[Zaxis]

Yes, pretty cool design but his follow up was just as good ... the CC02
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x491/cc02_2696968973a2733d8d6b72a7fa3e33df25a78a3b.png
it was tempting to put this up as the next challenge but I offer this instead...
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x694/pprune_17feb24_f364038b7bff44332ccbf28bee2397c664ff231b.png

[Noyade]

The CCO2 looks very nice!
What's still under construction (and a little bruised) looks to be the Canadian Gregor FDB-1?

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x506/scan1539_46864d1b779ad8abd63be65367c52ff7bb6fbc00.jpg

[Asturias56]

cool down the posting guys - the 24 hour rule came in due to "over enthusiasm"

[Zaxis]

Noyade has it. I was hoping an obscure Canadian aircraft would be more of a challenge.... seems not.
Noyade has control.

[Noyade]

I don't think the Gregor is as obscure as you may think - but thanks.
Must be time for Open House.
Cheers.

A little more from Robinson's article...


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/350x805/scan1537_3b0ecc61ec80010559d64bfaf440dc11188f9b1d.jpg

[Asturias56]

Something fairly obscure............

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/131x199/2024_02_16_085019_0d66997480bec04c9cb3f1ffb793592baca86fd3.j pg

[Ombinda]

Scaled Composites Triumph?

[Noyade]

Sud-Ouest SO 8000 Narval?

[Asturias56]

Gow - a wing tip and he's got it!

Yes the Narval.....

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/346x194/2024_02_16_084933_f72199766b1a19e37d2cff799dfc3277dc6aaa7d.j pg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x450/800px_garageimage_s_o_8000_narval_f0012c9e9e9ae8144073fba574 23587cd8345efd.jpg

[Noyade]

Cheers A56.
Nothing at hand - Open House.

[BEagle]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/285x137/thing_fdd878e3a62dda5504a0a29960bac3dc4e9d17c4.jpg
Here you go.....

[dixi188]

Mig 21 perhaps?

[Zaxis]

Myasishchev m-50?

[BEagle]

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/469x451/m_50_27c933347455b5d0a4cca0dc0693a6a791424ec3.jpg
Yes, the Myasishchev M-50 supersonic bomber prototype. Only one ever flew....

Zaxis, you have control!

[Zaxis]

The M-50 really was a BIG Mig 21 wasn't it?
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x350/screenshot_2024_02_26_at_09_57_05_2d9d89d1204b98c22cb36aabab a26a93aece0c71.png

Next challenge
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x414/_pprune260224_small1_86da74556a10f1d5db80b3b45b3e1cfcbe9f2b9 5.png

[Asturias56]

French?

[Zaxis]

Non !

[Asturias56]

Is it in service with the French military?

[Zaxis]

oui !

[Noyade]

I read years ago in Francillion's book on the Vietnam air war the French flew Oscars and a Rufe and acquired a few other Japanese aircraft. Looks too small for Topsy - but wiki says they did use Hickory.

[Self loading bear]

Noyade did it again!
Hickory in French service (https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/wwii-japanese-aircraft-in-postwar-french-service/)

[Zaxis]

Just how obscure am I going to have to go ??? Asturias was getting there but Noyade has it.
Yes, French operated Tachikawa Ki54 Hickory in post war Vietnam.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x515/_pprune260224_all_f354f5fa527b3c5a99f82fe336c6da302354d714.p ng

[India Four Two]

Slb,

Thanks for that fascinating article. I had no idea that the French operated Japanese aircraft in Vietnam.

[Noyade]

Yes, great site SLB.
Thanks Zaxis - Open House.

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/165x301/screenshot_2024_03_01_at_12_55_31_059ea839ca255ed6d363028452 6b38d8f590bcb9.png

[Zaxis]

Siamese Air Force Boripatra Bomber type 2 ??

[meleagertoo]

FFS!
Where do these people come from?

OK buddy, you got it!

Bang on the nail - mutter mutter brain the size of a planet mutter snffff....

[Asturias56]

yes - I.m always astonished by both the challenges and the speed of Id on here

[Zaxis]

It's not really a case of big brain, more detective work. The mystery plane was obviously preserved, the trees and people sitting outside sort of said SE Asia or tropics, the roundel under the wing was Thai Air Force or similar. Google Venezuelan and Thai airplane museums and troll through loads of images to find one that looks similar. Then try to work out which of the various names and designations associated with those images is the correct one. Choose the wrong one, post reply then decide that was not quite right, choose again and edit the post hoping it's correct this time. Having spare time helps a lot and the ambition to beat Noyade helped also. So can anyone beat Noyade on this one ........?

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/751x814/pprune_29_feb_24_detail_27b70d1c8d06b01b64c6b46f451ea72744fc c030.png

[Noyade]

Miss Jane says the outer wing sections are hinged. Not sure why.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/386x610/20240302_230147_23a1f1dbb3f5cd23d401cfedb3450af3e5870db1.jpg

[Zaxis]

So Noyade has it again! Yugoslavian Ikarus S145M Zolja (Wasp) 1954 vintage. It confused me as to why the wings folded so that's why I chose it.
Noyade has control.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x412/pprune_29_feb_24_allsmall_8e54a28ae2593500302da934ee26079f93 5ecf4b.png

[Noyade]

Cheers Zaxis. Looks like the fold helps with engine maintenance?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x734/scan1555_991651e1e2a156319b52aaa98a766f6d2cee0247.jpg


.

[Zaxis]

American? 1950s?

[chevvron]

Looks lke a Tipsy Nipper.

[Zaxis]

It has the size of an American pylon racer but a tricycle un-faired drag worthy under carriage which argues against it being so. University research project?

[Noyade]

University research project?

Father and son team. They built a handful of different aircraft - this is the late 80's.
This machine was designed for unlimited aerobatic competition and airshow work. Plan was to eventually install 350hp engine. These photos show 200hp.
Somewhat like Grumman - their aircraft names have "CAT" in them.
Stands for Custom Aircraft by Tomalsesky.

:)


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x356/scan1556_6c0ee80fdedead3af67c048f11a3d66bf804a26c.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x344/scan1557_57b8751b8932a25c96f8191184e8004444b66469.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x264/scan1507_c33984650873a6ecbe3add4071d1d2a337da50db.jpg

[Noyade]

Tomalsesky.

In 1988 it was known as the AcroCat.
Open House.

:ok:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x451/scan1559_52ff2fa46eac4a2921b937b83c22cebe4a960e4f.jpg

[Self loading bear]

This is the first time I have not been able to checkout the challenge after it was named.
”Tomalsesky Acrocat Aircraft” = zero hits!

[Zaxis]

Me too!
That extra s in the middle threw things off a bit.

[Noyade]

Me too!
That extra s in the middle threw things off a bit.

Sorry. Dyslexia maybe. :ouch:

[India Four Two]

What's this?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/345x368/wac_2024_03_07_67c47b42df24ab6fb5116c07723f1056bfdde47c.jpeg

[kenparry]

It has the style of F G Miles?

[Noyade]

That would be the monoplane half of the Hillson Bi-Mono.
Open House should it be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillson_Bi-mono

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/550x530/scan1560_8ad4d3cd79ac3a146ce305fb68fba8d32211e942.jpg

[India Four Two]

Noyade wins again!

I stumbled on the Hillson Bi-mono the other day. Used to develop the Hillson Slip-wing Hurricane:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x317/fh_40_2_df7b29e5cb74e1f2a1565267c2228c7a50de57aa.jpg

Noyade has declared Open House.

[Zaxis]

To keep things ticking over ....
What is this?
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/248x152/pprune_10mar24_crop_1876f204fefac537d848d9c4c80407580dbcef56 .png

[Asturias56]

a helicoptery thing?

[Ombinda]

An early Gyroplane? French perhaps?

[Glevum]

Cierva W5 / Wier W5?

[Zaxis]

Glevum has it. A good spot! You have control.

Weir / Cieva W5, the first British (Scottish) true helicopter, 1938.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x341/pprune_10mar24_661e2278797828f179dc208a23e9752f124d74a3.png

Similarity to Focke-Wulf 69 is no coincidence as the Germans licensed Cieva technology for their effort.

[Glevum]

Thank you,

I am going to have to declare open house as I am travelling.

[sycamore]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/805x576/img076724643516_6d5b53b122e21a1ec5ff6919d6aed013933668d0.jpg
Try this...

[Ombinda]

Probably wrong but here goes.

Grumman Ag-Cat?

[Zaxis]

PZL-106 Kruk?
(with cowling off)

[sycamore]

Om,and Zax,no and no...
but it is `For Sale`,if you know where to look...

[Noyade]

PZL M-18 Dromader?

[sycamore]

Getting closer...
`til 2100hrs..

[Zaxis]

PZL M21 Dromander Mini?

[Ombinda]

I believe you have it!

[sycamore]

OK ,Zaxis..Brakes- on .
Mixture-rich
Pre-oil (60 secs)
MOTOR OVER 6 BLADES
pre-oil(30 secs)
Prime fuel 3 shots
Throttle 1 inch open
Turn over 9 BLADES, Mags ON,Booster coil.. ON (Do NOT pump the throttle..!)
By 2100 hrs,I reckon you might have got it going...eventually...NOW LISTEN TO ALL THAT `MUSIC`....in `imc`..!!

Perhaps I should have prefaced by saying you should start with a prayer,or incantations of your faith...No shouting,cursing or banging of fists,
RADIALS MUST BE `SEDUCED`,so play nicely....

[Zaxis]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x346/start_dde20daa1c4cd7ff9ec47861261a03fc0632201e.png

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

I'm pleased that he is not my neigbour - leaf blowing another futile urban occupation.

[sycamore]

`AAhhhhh,the smell of Castrol R in the morning....`

[Glevum]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x800/img_0084_0454232e42582fdc841f0087d39c8beb87d0d0b2.jpeg
Could be worse, he could be running a RB211 in his garden.

[Zaxis]

In case this happens?...
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/276x156/blow_2_5d3722bbcd43604e48cb7ea706a42f8b78646102.gif

[chevvron]

Just confirms my opinion of what an a$$hole he is; not content with deliberately killing wild animals he wantonloy destroys aircraft.
Sorry just noticed Zaxis had edited out a certain person.

[Noyade]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x346/start_dde20daa1c4cd7ff9ec47861261a03fc0632201e.png

Is this the challenge?
Gnome Omega rotary engine?

[Zaxis]

It was just a diversion.
The next challenge...
Is this the true spirit of flying?
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x336/pprune_12mar24_3d0b247001113327717e9aee9410d051a03f534b.png

[Noyade]

Richard Pearse monoplane replica?

[Noyade]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/760x566/scan1563_740c9985c914c9a267e76e52f70828072ff35844.jpg

[Zaxis]

Yes... Richard Pearce replica. He was a real Nikola Tesla type in the early aviation world of New Zealand.
Over to you Noyade

[Noyade]

Cheers Zaxis.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/850x258/scan1570_1460e0bcaaacb8809fe744f38b1db22893fe6b1c.jpg

[Asturias56]

First flight after 1 Jan 1920?

[Self loading bear]

HP31 Hendon III
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1210x1082/img_9730_2419a48d01ab796fa91d7a72aa0d538faf8b577c.jpeg

[Noyade]

:ok:
Over to you Bear.

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Noyade, a quick search for early slats leads to Handley Page.
Now this:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/756x552/img_9072_fa935aea253d0c5e58a08086069d2ca067943e2f.jpeg

[Asturias56]

we've had things from that museum before I think (maybe in What Cockpit) - the lattice work is really distinctive (almost as good as a tree) - somewhere in Europe. Now to start working backwards though the list.................

[Noyade]

The prone pilot Government Factories Type 451?

[Asturias56]

could be! I think the old challenge I referred to was from that part of the World..................

[Self loading bear]

could be! I think the old challenge I referred to was from that part of the World..................

You mean the Kb-6 Matajur (https://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/626547-name-flying-machine-21.html#post11511199)?

[Self loading bear]

The prone pilot Government Factories Type 451?
Noyade has with the government factories or Ikarus S-451 in the Belgrade air museum which looks a good way to spend a few hours on the airport.

[Noyade]

Cheers Bear!


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x568/scan1370_53c69d0338aa1f27e109e32081800ca5d23cdc8b.jpg

[Ombinda]

Fokker?

[Noyade]

Not a Fokker.

[Asturias56]

European?

[Noyade]

European?

No.
USA.

[Zaxis]

Is a motor car manufacturer involved?

[Noyade]

Is a motor car manufacturer involved?

Indeed. 😁

[Ombinda]

Stout AS1?

[Noyade]

Stout it is - but my source says it's not the 1-AS. However, I'm starting to doubt my source.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/850x571/20240322_223036_d553a9648ca87af1f47a27bd1c1dc0d4f5c3cdd7.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x608/1_c0766b5e80a2e6917ab5246e3f248c3a_70b77f6329f12996374e5e664 eb8ff2e2961d4e6.jpg

[Ombinda]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/556x455/whazzit_1c4d54bd795641786b9183fa2904d1f7ffc44ee2.jpg

Nice paint job on this one. As a bonus you also get the "Which cockpit" quiz...

[longer ron]

Stout it is - but my source says it's not the 1-AS. However, I'm starting to doubt my source.


Stout Batwing Limousine ?

http://www.coachbuilt.com/des/s/stout/stout.htm

[chevvron]

Pilatus Porter?

[Ombinda]

Pilatus Porter?

Nope.

[chevvron]

Helio H 800?

[Ombinda]

Helio H 800?

Nope.

[Noyade]

Stout Batwing Limousine ?



That's what I was after. :ok:
Your control Longer ron.

[Noyade]

Nice paint job on this one.

It even seems to hide the wing braces?
But the plan view looks like the South African KUDU?

If it is - please give control to Longer ron.
Cheers.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x622/scan1572_95600a7edfbde604ed8e375d3ab96c3f861391b9.jpg

[longer ron]

That's what I was after. :ok:
Your control Longer ron.

Hi and thanks Noyade - although I wasn't actually competing as I thought you had accepted 'Stout' as the answer :O - Doh ! :)

Happy to leave control with Ombinda and his aircraft on post #4870

[Ombinda]

It even seems to hide the wing braces?
But the plan view looks like the South African KUDU?

If it is - please give control to Longer ron.
Cheers.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x622/scan1572_95600a7edfbde604ed8e375d3ab96c3f861391b9.jpg
My apologies Noyade.

As to the aircraft - almost there.

[Noyade]

All good mate, no worries. :)
Maybe the Atlas Angel C4M or Turbine Kudu?

From Wiki under the Aermacchi AL-60 site...

"A number of C4M Kudu aircraft are still flying privately and have proven well in the role of skydive release aircraft. They have been re-engined with turbine engines. This design is known as the Atlas Angel or Turbine Kudu.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_AL-60#cite_note-9)[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_AL-60#cite_note-10)"

[Ombinda]

All good mate, no worries. :)
Maybe the Atlas Angel C4M or Turbine Kudu?

From Wiki under the Aermacchi AL-60 site...

"A number of C4M Kudu aircraft are still flying privately and have proven well in the role of skydive release aircraft. They have been re-engined with turbine engines. This design is known as the Atlas Angel or Turbine Kudu.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_AL-60#cite_note-9)[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_AL-60#cite_note-10)"


Winner winner chicken dinner!

The turbine conversion changed the Kudu from an Avgas to noise converter to a really useful dropship.

Take it away longer ron!

[longer ron]

Thanks Ombinda :)
But I am afraid it will have to be open house as I am off to do some much needed woodwork repairs outside shortly (and it is apparently not gonna to rain today :cool:)

regards to all LR

[Glevum]

Try this one.

I drove past this yesterday. Apologies for the image quality

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/186x160/96686_1670771660_b89128a5a1eb7af1938227e80b3231b5ff572b68.jp eg

[dduxbury310]

Naturally I am thinking "Bellanca", fathered by an Italian American by name of Giuseppe Mario Bellanca (1886 - 1960), clue of course being the wide-chord lift struts visible. However it is entirely possible that some of his ideas could have been copied by others!

[Glevum]

Nope.

[Noyade]

I have only one decent book on American pioneer private aircraft.
I think it's this...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x500/scan1574_8231a85c51e046e095ac176c6d37f63f5f261553.jpg

[Glevum]

What do you think it is?
You look close

[Zaxis]

Curtis Robin ?

[Glevum]

Yes, Over to you.

This one is outside the Domestic Terminal, San Jose Airport, Costa Rica.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x595/96686_1670771660_full_0dabdb4d9c53a772b8d343421877b3b7d90238 80.jpeg

[Zaxis]

Thank you.
Went through Bellanca, Cessna, Ryan, Stinson, finally got to Curtis.
Next challenge...
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x115/pprune_25mar24_565289c8dcdccfb8f45062295c9355c751654659.jpg

[Noyade]

Not much to work with - and it was hard to figure out what was foreground and what was background, but it was that weird angle of attack that made me think this is a wing where there normally isn't one.
I'm thinking the Boeing Vertol BV-347?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing.ertol_BV-347


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x215/65_07992_25_june_2008_i_700x525_b582c56bf69ae50a7c34cc622ce0 e1411910bd49.jpg

[Zaxis]

It was deliberately cropped not to give too much away but leave a good challenge. Any rotor blades or such would have been an immediate give away.
Yes, it the Boeing BV347.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1546x725/screenshot_2024_03_27_at_10_33_18_b843f981a96e91657743121bbf 0ca4ded95d153e.png
Never quite saw the point of it, tilt wing helicopter ??
Over to you Noyade.

[Self loading bear]

Yes, Over to you.

This one is outside the Domestic Terminal, San Jose Airport, Costa Rica.




Oops, I had this photo in my “future challenges” directory.
Note to oneself: Delete or post earlier.

[Glevum]

It looks very tidy. it is a shame it is outside.

[Noyade]

It was deliberately cropped not to give too much away but leave a good challenge.
.

All good Zaxis - I'm just laughing at my eyesight and its interpretation. :)
I was absolutely convinced I was seeing a small plucky VTOL machine with outrigger wheels at an airport with the tower in the distance.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x283/spectacles_91dc7cf5ec0464e4bac0e0d315c41110de9fe3c3.jpg


Moving on...


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/635x432/scan1576_d393321a2fd2d7dd1fa20fa761ae6e87f9fbae2f.jpg

[Zaxis]

German? Armoured? Trench strafing? Multi-engined?

Great grand daddy of A10 Warthog?

[Noyade]

German?

No, not German.

Armoured?

1,600 lbs of 1/4 inch armour.

Trench strafing?

Yes, ground attack in general.

Multi-engined?

Single engine.

Great grand daddy of A10 Warthog?

Certainly related - but a lot slower. :)

[Asturias56]

Sopwith Salamander?

[Ombinda]

IL-2?

[Noyade]

Not from Sopwith.
Not from Ilyushin.

Six machine guns and one cannon.
The cockpit area also looks to have an armoured turret.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x578/scan1578_9d775f39c5333b648b3c007881832b603dc7aec7.jpg

[meleagertoo]

It looks Russian, is it?

[Zaxis]

American? .... Boeing GA-2?

[Noyade]

Boeing GA-2?

Back to you Zaxis. :ok:

[Zaxis]

That was a tough one and an unexpected result.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x277/ga_2_84e57b4f0c66b81dc36c7aaec59f023ff2efb673.png
One of a series of American attempts to investigate ground attack aircraft after WW1.
On holiday so Open House

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/616x459/screenshot_2024_04_05_at_12_40_28_037aaa74deca75c2ce7091c500 5e85052ccd5718.png

[Asturias56]

American?

[Noyade]

A happy piloted Hamilton?
H-47 Metalplane?


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x407/scan1585_cdd4e9152c476e138c7d93b14ea30e0fc4aacfba.jpg

[meleagertoo]

Lord! How do you beat these people?
Hamilton Metalplane it is.

[Asturias56]

Lord! How do you beat these people?
Hamilton Metalplane it is.
Distract them!

trees! Lights poles!! Waste paper bins!!!

[Noyade]

You've beaten me many times Mel - keep'em coming! :ok:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/794x522/scan1504_fff275241825995b10d494adfcd0789fa2d215c2.jpg

[DownWest]

Flea related?

[meleagertoo]

Flee, more like!

[Noyade]

Flea related?

Yes, Flea inspired. Built in Argentina.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/891x533/designer_396087d8f05b9163fdc24ee6850302212bcc980a.png

[meleagertoo]

Amazing how you can search pages and pages of Fleas and related vermin and not find what you're looking for, yet nail down the location and there's a stack of info about it!

[DownWest]

I ran into Mignet's grandson, who lives not far from here. He showed around the old wine chais where they built the latter models and I think one of the photos in his collection was Noyard's quiz.
The reason he gave for closing down was they couldn't get insurance after an incident.

The Flying Flea (a-e-g.org.uk) (https://www.a-e-g.org.uk/the-flying-flea.html)

[Noyade]

Must be time to end this I think.
Twas Jean de la Farge's EI Moscardon Flea of circa 1987.

Open House.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x331/50914180_2522959817930786_6720387782486786048_n_0a53b3261fea 249a6f661ea439009a57be41a836.jpg

[washoutt]

Does the propeller have only one blade?

[Asturias56]

cut down on the noise................

[cavuman1]

As a flea to the dog, such is the aircraft with a monoprop. They both jump around a bit.

- Ed

[Asturias56]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/336x174/2024_04_15_090519_e222da4e19646b6bec154d8e39ed876a92d80d0f.j pg

lets try this one

[Tu.114]

A monoplane. The fairings below the wing likely contain the aileron drive gear. What strikes me is the structure looking like a pitot tube mounted quite far away from the fuselage, which I´d consider pointing towards an odd number of engines with one mounted in the nose.

So - three engined? If so, Italian?

[Tu.114]

Piaggio 23R?

[Asturias56]

Not three engined, not Italian

[Zaxis]

British, tricycle under carriage, AW Albermarle?

[Asturias56]

Yes, yes, no

[Zaxis]

GA Cygnet?

[meleagertoo]

Jeez! How does anyone identify an aeroplane from that????

[Asturias56]

there are trees........................

[asw28-866]

One of Edgar’s?

[Asturias56]

One of Edgar’s?
??????????????????????????

[Asturias56]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/195x290/2024_04_15_090435_aa4840216854b83ff94bc44154e056fa311dcc6f.j pg
Not a Cygnet either

[thnarg]

Looks like the front of a Fairey, but not one of their trikes.

[Noyade]

Looks to be the Supermarine 322 Dumbo?
But I'm not getting the Tricycle clue mentioned above?


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1050x487/dumbo_3_edb194acd439dcf37d6bace80540d362bb7c50f0.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1050x326/dumbo_2_979a6191e8ff5fd17ac6e3e7c4b59d30b4d623ee.jpg

[Zaxis]

Supermarine 322?

Tricycle = 3 wheels, should have said nose wheel !

[Noyade]

I always thought tricycle to mean a nosewheel? As opposed to a tail-dragger? Or as Wiki likes to call it - "Conventional."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricycle_landing_gear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_landing_gear

[Asturias56]

It is indeed the Supermarine 322 "Dumbo"

Apologies - I'd forgotten the special meaning of "tricycle" when I answered Zaxis - I just thought - "yes three wheels"..............

I shall sit in the corner with a dunces cap on for an hour.................

Amazing that it took several years to actually reach first flight in 1943 - so much pressure on Supermarine to crank out Spitfires - which, to be fair were war winning whereas the 322...... was unlikely to trouble the history books

[Noyade]

All in good fun A56. No need for caps and corners and I had fun yesterday looking at British nose-wheels from the 40s and 50s. There was more than I thought.
And just for you - another starboard wing, and not just trees - buildings as well! :)


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x419/trees_and_houses_c02c56b9161fbb47fd795ebad179b5528e53f44e.pn g

[Noyade]

British.
Tricycle...

[sandringham1]

Plane trees, do I win.

[Zaxis]

GAL 55 glider?

[India Four Two]

Beverley?

[Noyade]

GAL 55 glider?

You have it Zaxis.
Over to you.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x349/scan1591_012cb43ef86015037cb284a4442db59a785b5295.jpg

[Zaxis]

Thank you. GAL seemed to have a lot of tricycle designs.
Next challenge ...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x408/20_apr_24_crop_c08b9145b4d6cd4a23e3b7155b7e8995e493f2e3.png

[Noyade]

G'day Zaxis.
Looks to be the Willoughby...


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/650x574/scan1592_aa94e57c2dcf6cb36a912bead25625812a477a66.jpg

[Zaxis]

Yes... back to you, Noyade.

[Noyade]

Cheers Zaxis. Another British tail...


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x588/scan1588_db3622f853c0a6ddc09c123f11623ad63138e13d.jpg

[Asturias56]

first flight pre or post 1939?

[Zaxis]

1923 Lympne light aircraft trials participant?

[Noyade]

Pre-1939, but too late for the Lympne trials.

[Asturias56]

British?

[Noyade]

See post #4946.

[chevvron]

Photo possibly Hanworth?

[Noyade]

The prototype is illustrated above - thinking Cowes.
The designer once held a world's land speed record.
After his death in a speedboat accident, the project moved to Brough, I believe. It was named after him.
Wiki says six built.
This included two built under license in Italy.

[meleagertoo]

Fascinating story. It's the Saro Segrave Meteor, later to become the Blackburn Segrave designed by the racing driver Sir Henry Segrave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Segrave

[Noyade]

You have it Mel - over to you.
Cheers!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x333/scan1594_6e3502d07ad28e5848be3810722157af4daf897f.jpg

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/196x154/challenge_copy_39d9331bf97805503fe7790668bcf61c8494d9b3.png

[Asturias56]

British?

[meleagertoo]

Not British

[Zaxis]

RWD 13?

[meleagertoo]

Not a RWD 13

[sycamore]

Dripsy /Cirrus or Walter Micron engine..?

[meleagertoo]

Neither.
Almost 400 of these were built.

[Asturias56]

American?

[Zaxis]

Menasco engine?

[meleagertoo]

Neither American nor Menasco.
Most had 4cyl engine, a few variants (of which there were many) had 6cyl units.

[India Four Two]

French?

[Zaxis]

Italian, Alfa engine?

[meleagertoo]

Let's just say it's European.
Nailing it down to a single country is too much of a giveaway.
Three different engine types were fitted across all variants.
The type had some export success both within and beyond Europe.

[Asturias56]

Breda BA.15? tho I can't find a pic with that engine.............

[Ombinda]

Saab?

[BEagle]

Jeg tror det er en dansk KZ.III?

Danish KZ.111?

[meleagertoo]

No, no and no!
Manufacturer was one of the great names in earliest aviation. A prolific designer.

[Noyade]

The Hanroit H-180T


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1050x387/h180_19_aa6bdf9bb8c3e2864487bbd1f42d98ae83296e9d.jpg

[Asturias56]

Jeg tror det er en dansk KZ.III?

Danish KZ.111?

I almost put that in but checked and they didn't build "hundreds"

[meleagertoo]

It is indeed the Hanriot.
Noyade's turn.

[Noyade]

Cheers.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x487/pprune_b50bfa96defa6e55ab37c2062193437ffcec2af3.png

[Herod]

NEVER stand within the propeller arc. :=

[Asturias56]

German?

[Noyade]

Yes to German.

[dixi188]

NEVER stand within the propeller arc. :=
Rules One, Two and Three.
Had an apprentice on the ramp for the first time a few years ago. I explained ramp safety including the above. He was, "yeh, yeh, yeh, whatever", and promptly walked through the prop arc.
He lasted about a week with us, sent him back to the hangar.

As to the photo, East European? (looking at the hats).

[meleagertoo]

Hannover CLV?

[Noyade]

Hannover CLV?

No Mel - but you are close. Think Post-Armistice...

[meleagertoo]

Ah! You've cunningly hidden the middle wing! I thought the fuselage/top wing spacing was small for a MkV
It's the F10

[Noyade]

And it's back to you Mel - yes indeed, the Hawa F.10 triplane Limousine.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x463/scan1596_c1c039b71f4f4c274791ff4a56507af92d4eacde.jpg

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/127x123/screenshot_2024_05_02_at_09_14_11_8944a660178ea2a5ebe7d1a83d 79174ac0f9a0bb.png

[Noyade]

Not a lot to see - but a very distinctive tail. Thinking you are still in Germany and that top right white area is a deployed emergency sail.
Take it away and it should look like this....


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x335/scan1598_08294446aa957ec58c28b146da9ba24547f001b1.jpg

[meleagertoo]

Oh well, I thought that might have lasted like my previous wacky aircraft challenges, the flying submarine and the inflatoplane.
Crazy stuff!
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/316x281/screenshot_2024_04_30_at_15_22_47_b3f6f8fc4f644df1331402a19b afca1d465af4dc.png

[Noyade]

Cheers Mel - must be time to break the cycle and declare Open House.