Name that Flying Machine

[Noyade]

Was it built and flown?
Is that a loud speaker - top right?

[Beamr]

I've no idea what that is top right. The one sample was never finished hence never flew.

[Beamr]

The troop carrier was never finished as Stalin was convinced that the two 18-cylinder radials this aircraft was designed to accommodate were much more needed in bombers. Its italian designer wasn't amused but hey, such is war. And Stalin wasn't the one you'd actually want to argue with. Much easier and healthier to go with the flow and work on ekranoplanes and such.

[Noyade]

Its italian designer wasn't amused but hey, such is war. Much easier and healthier to go with the flow and work on ekranoplanes and such.

Must be Bartini - which makes this the T-117...?
Looks a tad like a wide-body Airspeed Ambassador.

[Beamr]

Must be Bartini - which makes this the T-117...?
Looks a tad like a wide-body Airspeed Ambassador.
Bartini T117 it is!
Rather advanced Russian (Italian) transport aircraft with pressurization, being widebody, having a ramp, high wing etc.

All yours Noyade.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/562x354/zpf1jxme6yn21_d4ac8f6aae890c5c513f02ee39e4a9d143075256.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1050x716/t117_3_08aa3d78b44517726e4d9f854e85fe4abbf38339.jpg
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https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1050x757/t117_2_19bc8b70ae37eba88ee3be4bf760fde37b4b4b29.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1050x662/t117_4_0966ec2448c430f4dcda18e9d7c5d695dceb017b.jpg

[Noyade]

Cheers Beamr.


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[Noyade]

They're available in a variety of colours/markings - not just white...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/409x398/happy_3c8f98e92735e1d40bd3deee11ec68fe3828bc86.png

[Beamr]

Sleek combination of PC21 and Super Tucano. Canadian made?

[Noyade]

Canadian made?

No mate - that pic was just to throw you off the scent. :)

[Beamr]

Oh man I was lost. Legendary! :ok:

[sycamore]

The guy in #2507 does have a passing resemblance to `Brody`......

[sablatnic]

Walter 601 powered?

[Noyade]

Legend....ary! :ok:

Me thinks Beamr knows full well it's the Turbine Legend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine_Legend

Over to you. :ok:

[Beamr]

Me thinks Beamr knows full well it's the Turbine Legend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine_Legend

Over to you. :ok:
Surely sablatnic is aware of the answer as well, so over to him/her, I'll have a handful on the cockpit thread.

[Beamr]

It's been an excessive amount of time, does anyone else feel like salabtnic's awol?
Should we declare OH to keep things going?

[Asturias56]

I think a week is long enough to and post something new, declare OH or to come up with an explanation of the delay

Has anyone PM'd him/her?

[Beamr]

I certainly have not pm'd. OH on my behalf, if anyone concurs.

[Self loading bear]

I concur OH

[Asturias56]

Agreed - a week of silence is enough - give sablatnic a free shot when he /she wants

[Noyade]

Another to look at...


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/751x339/scan0683_5b9b8b85a69236df22ff0f75e070033d736dd992.jpg

[asw28-866]

Rather handsome looking thing, American?

[Beamr]

Is that a retractable undercarriage? This has resemblance of Comper Mouse, and I'd have the impression its early 30's european make?

[Noyade]

I can't honestly tell you if the undercart retracts. Doesn't look like it?
This is a very rare machine from the land of wallabies and koalas.
I only found one site which describes it - but with no photos.

Powered by a six-cyl 200 hp Menasco Buccaneer engine.

[CoodaShooda]

If it’s antipodean, Aussie pride demands a contribution.

The never completed Tugan Hawk C3?

OH if so.

[asw28-866]

I think CS might be on the right tracks, perhaps the Palcar TWA-4? If correct OH I’m afraid as nothing to hand.

[Noyade]

Palcar TWA-4?

:ok:

OPEN HOUSE

[asw28-866]

Back home, this will not last long...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/449x267/ntfm1_875092570034004c6adf20d4699a26fd6678da92.jpg

[UV]

Olympia 2,or its German original Meise.
Poss taken at the Long Mynd.

[asw28-866]

24hrs has elapsed, UV is quite correct the EoN (Elliotts of Newbury) Olympia 2 being bungee launched from Camp Hill.

UV has control.

[UV]

Nothing to hand so Open House please.

[Beamr]

As OH published, how about this?


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/135x400/caption_5a64a1d82fae9af70f2e12bae078491590a3e151.jpg

[Pypard]

Middle bit of a SAAB J.21R

[Self loading bear]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/225x225/7c5bd501_192b_481e_ae38_1aa25030bc4b_6c7c8a438bffd9422484569 b616950a2c9643237.jpeg


Me-a tuo thuoght zeet it ves a Sheep tventy oune-a
Bork, Bork, Bork

[Beamr]

Pypard has it right without hesitation. Over to you!

[Pypard]

Here goes then:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/673x394/xx1_29bb750a4b47e7dd94c51598ff03524db1d2bc2a.jpg

[Noyade]

Was thinking a 'Crushed Custer' but no evidence of the channel wing, so more likely the Baumann Brigadier?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumann_Brigadier

[Pypard]

Noyade has it: not a Crushed Custer but a Bandaged Brigadier. Over to you.

[Noyade]

Cheers!


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x461/scan0700_f0f7b0c27424b8ff127a93bca6f7f85a9680c3c9.jpg

[Terry Dactil]

To me it looks like a Kiddy-Kopter Mk 1 with pine floorboards rotor blades. :ok:
Photo show a pilot being trained.

[Asturias56]

ahhhhh - I've seen a picture of this years ago - but where?

[Beamr]

Whats this, a Plywood Gazelle?

[Noyade]

Tis another from the land of wombats and wallabies.
Construction started in 1960 and one site says it flew in 1970. Never registered.
Powered by a Gypsy major engine.
Ended its days as a rather fast (59mph) swamp boat.

The designer also built a light aircraft in the 1930s, that was at one stage flown by Sir Charles Kingsford Smith.

[Planemike]

More likely a GIpsy engine...!!!

[Asturias56]

The only helicopter I can find is the VTOL Aircraft Phillicopter in Oz at that period - but it isn't that

[Noyade]

More likely a GIpsy engine...!!!

Yes - my apologies to de Havilland. :ouch:


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/740x274/capture_4e7f58cac94745584d0a70df404d606f530a41a5.png

[Beamr]

ahah, Wikner Wikopter!

[Noyade]

Wikner Wikopter!

Very well done mate! :ok:
Over to you.

[treadigraph]

Did you find that on Wikopedia ? :}

[Beamr]

We'll make a very fast turnaround then, how about this?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/472x229/contest_mod_ab4f61cd38eb43873948a29d74843cb7e2269a8a.jpg

[Pypard]

Ivchenko AI-20L or AI-20M turboprop? No idea who makes the propeller.

[treadigraph]

One of them Russian WIG thingies?

[treadigraph]

I was thinking of the A-90 Orlyonok - very similar fin top engine installation and tail planes but not identical. Hmmmm...

[Beamr]

Engine is correct by Pypard, and Treadigraph is on the tracks.

[Noyade]

Engine is correct by Pypard, and Treadigraph is on the tracks.

The SM-6 Ekranoplan?

[Beamr]

Indeed, Alekseev SM-6, the base of which the Orlyonok was a further development. Your call, Noyade!

[Noyade]

Your call, Noyade!

I call on Treadigraph to come forward and take control your Honour. :ok:

[treadigraph]

I'd never have got that in a million years :) and in any case I'm out and about at present, so open house!

[treadigraph]

No takers? OK, try this, I don't imagine it will last long as if I had heard of it... and no bonus points for the car!

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/799x533/5_5c9bed5b4f735fca3774c9a06b76b24da9b48e62.jpg

[Beamr]

Not quite Flipper although looks a bit like dolphin.

Oh yeah, and the car is not an E-type, it's XK-E :p

[treadigraph]

Yes I can certainly see your sense of porpoise there...

[Pypard]

Looks like a Series one-and-a-half E-Type.

[Asturias56]

Its a Flipper Research Beta as pointed out a bit oblique by BEAMR

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filper_Research_Beta

[Self loading bear]

Its a Flipper Research Beta

Nothing wrong with your auto spelling checker!

[treadigraph]

Yep, the Filper Research Beta, which I recall graced at least one of my treasured Observers books from the late '60s.

Beamr/Asturias, perhaps one of you would like to assume control...

[Beamr]

I'm looking forward for Asturias56's upcoming challenge! :ok:

[Asturias56]

No no my friend - you ID'd it not me.............

[Planemike]

Yep, the Filper Research Beta, which I recall graced at least one of my treasured Observers books from the late '60s.

Beamr/Asturias, perhaps one of you would like to assume control...
An interesting looking project that went nowhere. Must say I would have guesstimated at less than 50 years old, just looking at the picture...

[Beamr]

This wont take long but certainly this beast looks interesting.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/318x95/contest_ab_95932db3c9852e576314ecd2987ca76635c73c32.jpg

[Asturias56]

"An interesting looking project " - now that's English understatement!! It look so frightening I'm surprised anyone was willing to get within 100m of it!

[Beamr]

This was a one off (although based on an existing aircraft in service) and it was for testing the benefits of Coandă effect to tackle the issues of runway length.

[Planemike]

"An interesting looking project " - now that's English understatement!! It look so frightening I'm surprised anyone was willing to get within 100m of it!
Mmmm..... its safety record tended to confirm that. Something about it should have been made impossible to enter the cockpit ?!!

[Asturias56]

4 engines - [coanda effect -[color=#212124]Kawasaki C-1 Asuka?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nxgphotos/26047610302/

[Beamr]

Indeed! The Kawasaki Asuka, based on C1. QSTOL test bed as tipped above. The next tip would've been that besides the runway length restrictions the designers were concerned of noise abatement. If one uses QSTOL as a search word in ones favourite search engine, the Asuka is the first to come up in pictures.
One strange looking ac with those big nacelles above wing.

Your call, sir Asturias!

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x400/1632289406_a1cfb6ec4f5dae56595f442726d49dc0adee7826.jpeg
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[Asturias56]

When the engines are almost as big as the fuselage you don't see much of a commercial future! There are some good pics of the prototype in a Japanese Air Museum.

Try this - a lot built but I'd never heard of it until recently

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/225x251/2021_09_20_095343_e7b9a2857bcf3194ac2d035a70609993546e2ba6.j pg

[Noyade]

The Morane-Saulnier M.S.472 Vanneau.

[Asturias56]

Noyade is correct. They built several hundred but I'd never heard of it. I'll post some netter pics when I get back from this trip

[Asturias56]

As promised - it came with different engine fits - designed by Vichy but adopted as a standard trainer post war

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1017x492/2021_09_20_095320_341acacaed12b9bf9fabd96cefd3ddcd4a39bc7f.j pg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/247x397/2021_09_20_095639_b83ae4f35e0c5fd256f893e08d6f5ccceb9a41e3.j pg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/242x228/2021_09_20_095505_2f51c6a5e46cc3f50a54a04ce132229770f90d63.j pg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/395x371/2021_09_20_095436_49a13ef84620beca03b937b18685e2315050820b.j pg

[Noyade]

Cheers!

Open House.

[Beamr]

Lets restart the thread.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/296x369/contest3_e66fa36649f8f79d543d804f3f80fffaa4bb87e2.jpg

[Asturias56]

Not very elegant :(

Military transport?

[Beamr]

Actually, was used both in military and civilian world, depending on the version.

[treadigraph]

I think it might be rather clumsy as it goes rushin' about

[Asturias56]

An ugly myasishchev vm-t Atlant I believe..................

[Beamr]

I think it might be rather clumsy as it goes rushin' about
I've no idea of the actual handling characteristics, but it was designed to stroll along very smoothly neverminding the terrain.


An ugly myasishchev vm-t Atlant I believe..................

Not the Atlant.

[treadigraph]

It was a cloddish attempt by me to hint that I think I know what it is... :)

[Beamr]

It was a cloddish attempt by me to hint that I think I know what it is... :)
And now that you said it, it is obvious to fool ol' me too. I should've been more on the pulse, so to say. :ok:

[Noyade]

Clod with a cushion.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/485x313/clod_72a4e46b21e3e5abb0c5594918466e38485fcdfd.png

[Beamr]

Well yes, it is the Antonov AN-14sh, the produce of brilliant minds under the influence of excessive amounts of vodka. The civilian version was An-714 with a bit different "undercarriage" setup.
Anyway, it was apparently rather difficult to handle on the ground and eventually, lo and behold, they found out that the cushion affected the aerodynamics as well...
Asturias was unknowingly correct in his statement, not very elegant piece of design indeed :D

Treadi did know what it was, me thinks, and Noyade brought up the right picture, but no one came up with the name, so... does either of you have anything at hand?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x400/1632898979_3a24dfaea48c2c31caa130c84403ada4e491c576.jpeg

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x400/1632899040_f424acd2b95ca041772dab231efbbc43e40d91ff.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x404/ansh_2_2b010b368e06bf51c4da85d1c3c04f31ef8a4b10.jpg

[treadigraph]

I knew it was an AN-14, I didn't know about the floor-polishing gear!

I'll stick this one up for the requisite 24 hours or so - I very much doubt it needs that long really...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x448/672d754581484afaa8017cb04668b581_jpeg_d6514267e0335f73e04245 d22c3ff1a8d7569015.jpg

[Noyade]

Tis a Fiat - without wheels! :ok:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x606/scan0712_4c25a23e9179bc2587acff1c934de1c5999491c7.jpg

[treadigraph]

Call it now as I'll be out shortly for a while... Noyade has it, The Fiat 7002, another whacky helicopter design recalled from my '60s Observers books (must have been hand-me-downs from elder brothers!).

[Asturias56]

Have you noticed , as we gradually exhaust the list of aeroplanes, how they're getting uglier and uglier??

I guess it's because they're weirder and weirder as well

[Beamr]

Anything outside the x-files becomes identified in a flash, so you have a point there. Things get ugly and weird.
However, I am amazed how fast all the x-files stuff get names, too. It only takes a crop of upper tail section or half an engine nacelle for a positive id in a matter of hours.
The tricky ones are the mind blowers though.

Keep up the good work! :ok:

[treadigraph]

What amazes me is how much stuff has flown even experimentally which I've never come across before. Another large American helicopter from the 1940s which was tested by the US Mil popped up unannounced the other day (ugly describes it), and just looking for it again I chanced across several other prototype rotorcraft that were new to me.

[Self loading bear]

I hope everybody can agree that we must confine us to machines that have actually flown?
Otherwise We will get lost in all Bamboo designs that never have flown.

Cropping the picture down to only the distinctive feature is totally acceptable to me.

[treadigraph]

I'm ok with seeing crops - would make it easier to find challenging images, just of better known types!

[Noyade]

Call it now as I'll be out shortly for a while... Noyade has it, The Fiat 7002, another whacky helicopter design recalled from my '60s Observers books (must have been hand-me-downs from elder brothers!).

Thanks Treadi. I first saw the Fiat in the 1961 Observers. :ok:

This is all I have at the moment....


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x340/supermarine_walrus_47d479dbe583fe4f5f99bfeab0b62d23c951106e. jpg

[Beamr]

CAMS 33 maybe?

[Noyade]

Not a CAMS - but it is French.
There were many variants with a total build of around 45 - according to Wiki.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x361/scan0721_4e8f3b8937c92a931b1d5beaa07a43e370bba4ac.jpg

[Self loading bear]

The Loire et Olivier H-198

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x365/97ad588e_dcef_40dc_b585_c08937b5d08d_159fd1b2252502faf5a3d46 abdd6349ecee1ad91.jpeg

[Noyade]

The Loire et Olivier H-198

Nicely found Bear - over to you. :ok:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lior%C3%A9_et_Olivier_LeO_H-190

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Noyade

Lets try a cropped photo:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/150x228/92664988_adb5_40ba_aaa8_2d4980aea275_57ae6c7145be914f3079e8e 243ee9ee86d9ce5a5.jpeg

[Pypard]

You'd need good glasses to get that one...

[asw28-866]

Is that crop real? Or an optical illusion?

[India Four Two]

I'm on edge to find out what it is!

[Asturias56]

It's a glider ...................

[Fitter2]

Anyone else going bug eyed trying to figure it out?

[Beamr]

Not necessarily a glider, I'd go with something light like Pipistrel Alpha (it's not that but...)

[treadigraph]

I'm on edge to find out what it is!

Boom boom!

[Pypard]

Boom boom!
Puns start at Post #2603 :)

[UV]

Seventh sense is telling me something unusual....

[Self loading bear]

No need that I give further hints.
The odd observer cannot be fouled.

[India Four Two]

... and 24 hours have passed!

I think Pypard is first in line with the answer. :)

[Asturias56]

So what is the answer? All this punning is amusing but we need an actual statement of type I thought - at some point anyway

[treadigraph]

I'm a big fan of puns...

[oncemorealoft]

Edgley Optica. But the puns and clues probably helped more than the photo if I’m honest so I’ll yield to whomever the OP decides.

[Self loading bear]

Edgley Optica. But the puns and clues probably helped more than the photo if I’m honest so I’ll yield to whomever the OP decides.

Edgley Optica It is!!
I thought not to take the most obvious feature(s).
But not much Ppunners were fouled.
Once more aloft has the con.

[Pypard]

OK give me a mo...

[oncemorealoft]

Edgley Optica It is!!
I thought not to take the most obvious feature(s).
But not much Ppunners were fouled.
Once more aloft has the con.

Here's another crop. Should be quite easy but can you explain the unusual exscresence on top of the windshield?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/212x374/20190604_124500_2_d77f0d8943ce55d14439fd780cac5f5259d9fe88.j pg

[kcockayne]

Chipmunk &, no, I can’t. Maybe a camera ?

[oxenos]

Extra anti-collision light when Prince Charles was a stude?

[Pypard]

OK give me a mo...

Did my post get deleted?

[oncemorealoft]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1504/945c6a38_8daf_4c3e_86f8_c44602bdfda6_f074fbf96a7ca278f22f85a 77d551983f1de0da2.jpeg
Yes Oxenos, it’s the Chipmunk in which Prince Charles learned to fly. Fitted with an additional anti-collision beacon, nicknamed the parrot, and in a high-vis red paint job.

[oxenos]

Yes Oxenos, it’s the Chipmunk in which Prince Charles learned to fly
Not sure if you are telling me I've won. If so, OH

[Beamr]

To my understanding Pypard was the one with turn. The prince charles was interesting, but I'd expect to see Pypards contribution coming up.

[Pypard]

To my understanding Pypard was the one with turn. The prince charles was interesting, but I'd expect to see Pypards contribution coming up.

Strangely I did post but it seems to have been deleted (???). If OK I'll post again.

[kcockayne]

I was under the impression that I got in well ahead of anyone else (six minutes after the challenge was posted), but I don't have anything so am happy to throw it open.

[oldpax]

I was stationed at Oakington when he had flying lessons,dont recall the Chipmunk being that colour?

[Beamr]

I was under the impression that I got in well ahead of anyone else (six minutes after the challenge was posted), but I don't have anything so am happy to throw it open.
Yes you were fast on the chipmunk, but Pypard was first on the Optica hence expecting his challenge.

[kcockayne]

Yes you were fast on the chipmunk, but Pypard was first on the Optica hence expecting his challenge.
I’m happy for Pypard to get the plaudits, just a little disappointed at missing out on my first success !

[Pypard]

OK let's try this and I'll make sure the first one gets it!

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/792x696/p1_2925bb1238a53a169a9e83a7eaeda441f31dccfc.jpg

[treadigraph]

If I look through my old Observer's books I'll probably find it...

[Noyade]

FOUND it - maybe. Centenniel 100?

[Noyade]

Possibly the same aircraft? CF-WFO


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x693/scan0724_fce336fdf71aa13dcb61a203322db7ae45675db2.jpg

[Pypard]

Well that didn't take long! Noyade has it; or did treadigraph go super-obscure when he said, "...I'll probably FIND it"?

[treadigraph]

I was hinting a bit as I do indeed recall it from Observers circa '68 or 70... Kind of sad that this version didn't enjoy series production as it's quite an attractive machine - the Bush Hawk is a bit... well... Recall seeing one at Oshkosh, one of those odd types you might never see anywhere else except rugged areas north of the 49th parallel!

I'm quite happy in the back seat, if Noyade or kcockayne would like to post the next challenge!

[Noyade]

Thanks Pypard!
I was thinking of a Yugoslav machine until Treaders hint finally triggered for me.


I'm quite happy in the back seat, if Noyade or kcockayne would like to post the next challenge!

I'm more than happy to give kcockayne a turn. :ok:

[kcockayne]

Thank you, both, for thinking of me. I don't have anything to hand, so will pass up the opportunity this time. Maybe in the future when OH is called.

[Noyade]

OK.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x520/stallion_8d3cdfa39e2ffd545bed8c7bc02c32f555edd137.jpg

[Beamr]

Mil Mi-26 Halo

[Noyade]

:ok:

Over to you Beamr!

[Beamr]

something more traditional, or is it?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/411x234/whats_this_then_2370736f6002c5a4fe7d501a468df98e2ce46afa.jpg

[Noyade]

Airspeed Queen Wasp. :ok:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airspeed_Queen_Wasp

[Beamr]

Indeed it is. Radio controlled target aircraft from 1939 with a single pilot seat for ferry ops.

You have the controls, Noyade.

[Noyade]

Thanks Beamr.

Another floater...


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x653/scan0730_a2c08962d660a9ea5c771b4013ab2c1df363a3ba.jpg

[Pypard]

No idea, but a crash would result in hundreds of dollars-worth of improvements. :ok:

EDIT: And I'm guessing it was underpowered?

[asw28-866]

It was that good, I think only one built. Perhaps the designer should have reflected on his first-name when the idea struck, and desisted!

[Noyade]

EDIT: And I'm guessing it was underpowered?

A whopping 24hp. :)

[Noyade]

It was that good, I think only one built. Perhaps the designer should have reflected on his first-name when the idea struck, and desisted!


Ahhhh...you have it! :ok:
Want control - or continue with clues?

[asw28-866]

Keep going with the clues, I'm in no hurry!

[Noyade]

Okay.

From what I've read - related to a famous manufacturer that completed 83 design studies, built 39 prototypes and 11 production series, a total of 776 aircraft.
This included 6-engined flying boats.

[Quemerford]

Latecoere 225 then. A new one on me.

[Noyade]

Latecoere 225 then. A new one on me.

That's the one - and you named it.
Over to you. :ok:

[Pypard]

I think asw28-866 has the helm? Happy to post one if not :)

[Asturias56]

Quemerford named it so it should be his - if ASW 28 wanted the con he would have named it rather than make an allusion.

[Pypard]

Well try this and see how it goes...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x383/image1_231a71bc04f3f979f3bb0d518e005843aae36e93.jpg

[Asturias56]

I thought it was Quemerford or ASW 28 turn?

[Pypard]

Well that's weird: I seem to have two logins!

Q

[Quemerford]

And as if to prove it, here I am again. Turns out my 'old' laptop has a different login. Lesson learnt & apologies for the confusion :}

[asw28-866]

A56 is correct, had I desired control I would have explicitly named the type. Often not in a position to post/moderate a challenge, but always enjoy the chase. P.S. I’m a ‘she’!

[Noyade]

Lately it's been kinda hard knowing who exactly to hand control over to. :)
Above is the Brewster XA-32.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_XA-32

If so - OPEN HOUSE for others to have a go.

[asw28-866]

Stumbled across this aircraft in a book awarded to me as a school prize in 1976!...


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/439x308/pp1_f00f1d4c07b4531d11395fc2ffe4e2f72eb03afa.jpg

[Noyade]

Stumbled across this aircraft in a book awarded to me as a school prize in 1976!...

That rings a Bell.
I for one would love to know what book you received in 1976? :)


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/450x600/20211016_175752_16b4b77525128347d870a0f8d7ab92a7cbf0384d.jpg

[Pypard]

It is indeed the Brewster XA-32; that one didn't last long! Over to Noyade.

[asw28-866]

Well done Noyade, you have control. It is the Bell YFM-1 Aircuda.

[Noyade]

Cheers.

Open House.

[UV]

Bit of fun....

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1184x705/fcf50751_4e4d_4e91_8a39_d49f1afcc4a7_0c5dbb4343d6a8f691336e1 604e6036e6d43b03b.jpeg

[treadigraph]

Can't but help feel someone has had a bit of fun with a bent Citabria or Champ!

[asw28-866]

Noyade,
This is the book I received, kept a 12 year-old amused...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/540x719/img_6765_6ddb62f5896c473ca5f21614bf7f7e24aaac8323.jpg

And the subject image that caught my eye...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1083x458/pp5_337ba9c11138d10c9b6b2ca4ac6b0bae592162e6.jpg
'866

[asw28-866]

Found a picture when is was just a chick!...
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1038x648/model_9bcbb0bd96c64f3c38f5fe46a5f1180e34c6b65a.jpg

[Noyade]

Noyade,
This is the book I received, kept a 12 year-old amused...'866

Thanks! I remember that book - always loved John Batchelor's artwork. :ok:

[UV]

Not a Citabria or Champ.
ASW is close...!

[Beamr]

italian Aerogallo, the flying rooster..

[UV]

Yes beamr it is indeed the Aerogallo. I hope it flies better than it looks!

You have control.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x531/fe07e8fe_a138_4c0b_9bb5_c76f1dac2c93_c313c40d1174b6641d60ce7 78de638b899048b59.jpeg

[Beamr]

Thank you very much, lets try this then

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/612x430/023b42099a3989853386682ca677bcf9694c25761152ffc5b2fd2cb883bb b4de_34a6db1d033de6e1d945a1ede9e814e3ded47272.jpg

[zetec2]

Is that Bob Hoover performing ?.

[cavuman1]

Lear 35/36?

- Ed

[Tarq57]

TS11 Iskra. Czech trainer.

[Pypard]

I'll go military: C-21 then.

[asw28-866]

Not a challenge...

UV et al. flight characteristics of the rooster described as 'sporting' by the test pilot:

"A Handful of ChickenUnfortunately, Beltrome further reported, “The Rooster is unstable in roll and has a tendency to go into the first stages of a spin when you start to turn, if it isn’t noticed and checked.” He put in one stage of the flaperons to try to solve this problem. This is why the first flight turn was a very gentle affair with little more than 5 of bank and often less, with a very obvious and “twitchy” pitch.

Perhaps the most amazing and interesting part of the Rooster is its control system, which works in reverse to a normal three-axis-control aircraft. The control column comes down from the roof of the cockpit, and the control inputs are exactly the opposite to what one learns in normal piloting skills, so you pull back on the stick to go down and vice versa. This is the reason for some of the accidents during early taxi tests. It is apparently more like flying a delta-wing hang glider."

Full article here: https://www.kitplanes.com/when-the-rooster-flies/

And to Noyade, yes I was quite enthralled by Batchelor's drawings as a child...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1190x789/img_6766_877535021a91dfbba00bf6df6fbe9897dcd38867.jpg
'866

[Noyade]

And to Noyade, yes I was quite enthralled by Batchelor's drawings as a child...'866

As was I and I'm sure for many others of our generation. Growing up in a small country town it was always exciting to see the latest "64 pages packed with colour" at the newsagent.
I see where he died only recently and was a prolific stamp illustrator...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Batchelor_(illustrator)


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x800/20211019_093452_e7e2e40dbd83b31293a017fc5770892ab1333f4c.jpg

[asw28-866]

Clay Lacy perhaps?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNAgwxkbixM&list=RDCMUCh9e-eWfzQXdCfkFUvBPVGQ

'866

[Beamr]

It is military.
it is a Lear.
It is not a C21.
Bob Hoover and Clay Lacy weren't involved.

It actually is a Learjet 35A/S, the Finnish AF version with a bit more in-flight entertainment gadgets than on your average C21 or biz jet. Versatility is enhanced with underwing hardpoints. To my knowledge these were the first Learjet 35's delivered for military use in 1982. First C21's were delivered in 1984 I believe. BTW, in 1982 these replaced Il-28's as target tugs and maritime recce duties. And these are still in use, though rather extensively updated in recent years.

The picture was taken very recently while the aircraft on the picture was on a mission. Rotate the picture 90 degrees CCW and you'll find it being in a rather level attitude.

underneath is a more informative picture of a 35A/S.

So, there were many who identified, but as Lear 35 was mentioned by cavuman1, I'll offer the control to your corner.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x821/29730_143c23faabd2a40fc9abfebfbf54a70614b8d2b4.jpg

[cavuman1]

Thank you, Beamr! Let us try:


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/615x270/strange_plane1_d96d23960bbb18f590cf930d1c1c8be33cfa53e4.jpg

- Ed

[Noyade]

Now with clouds...


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/505x454/l_f73f715e516aef5e199ffb88304fdb30372780a2.png

Lockheed XFV-1

[cavuman1]

I believe I am constrained for 24 hours to tell the inimitable Noyade that the nail has been hit on the head with unusual rapidity. Well done! I am new to this thread and am open to suggestions and constructive criticism. 24 hours having elapsed, the comm is yours, Noyade.

- Ed

[Noyade]

Thanks Ed.

Well done! I am new to this thread and am open to suggestions and constructive criticism.

Just keep doing what you're doing. :ok:

Another to solve...


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x317/focke_wulf_d54e24e10caca8d8e8a76c7368dfa0bc88c97743.jpg

[dduxbury310]

Some sort of Bellanca?

David D

[Noyade]

Hi David.
It's French.

[Beamr]

Farman F.280 or F.281. Earlier had 7-cylinder Salmson engine and latter 4 cylinder Renault engine.
I'll take it that its the F.281, based on the amount of exhaust pipes. Original F.280 was F-ALKR, only one made but re-engined later with Renaults becoming F.281.

[Noyade]

Done! :ok:
All yours.

[Beamr]

thanks!
What are we looking at?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/348x214/starnge1_6055917f9306263ec07421c564d24b3275b1ff68.jpg

[Noyade]

Another Trimotor?
Airspeed Ferry?

[Beamr]

Another Trimotor?
Airspeed Ferry?
it certainly is,

Your call!

[Noyade]

Thanks Beamr - gotta be Open House at this stage...

[Self loading bear]

Open house to long:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/300x204/b0a1856d_9dc7_41c7_9acd_dad7bf784b49_ea379ae61eded9c2c201212 28a443388e102f11c.jpeg

[Pypard]

OH for so long, due in some part I'm sure by it being a bit of a closed-shop. When OH was called on my last submission when I hadn't even responded with confirmation of a correct answer, (post#2656) I decided to give it all a miss.

[Self loading bear]

OH for so long, due in some part I'm sure by it being a bit of a closed-shop. When OH was called on my last submission when I hadn't even responded with confirmation of a correct answer, (post#2656) I decided to give it all a miss.

Welcome back Pypard/Quemerford.
You might be right that some jumped the gun a bit quickly.
I hope it will not keep you from contributing anymore now?

[meleagertoo]

Despite sharing the same name as Maurice the famous french aviateur's second tipple (in the joke), it didn't have a meteoric career.

[Self loading bear]

It is indeed French and 1950s

[meleagertoo]

And could perhaps be mistaken for American royalty.

[Noyade]

It is indeed French and 1950s

There are quite a few differences to this image - but possibly the Chablis?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x515/scan0754_d90a768395dd9ba88792983672dcdc6fd6a28311.jpg

[Self loading bear]

There are quite a few differences to this image - but possibly the Chablis?



Indeed the Boisavia B-80 Chablis
Only 2 built.
You are in control

Perhaps Meleagertoo cares to explain his American Royal clue?
It was lost on me.

[meleagertoo]

B80
Beech Queen Air...

[Noyade]

You are in control

Thanks Bear. I'm incapacitated at the moment, making my bookshelves somewhat difficult to reach.
Open House.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/500x429/20211104_114713_5217498372a8b2a8523191f8b219e310c6a351d4.jpg

[Self loading bear]

We wish you a speedy recovery!
Open House called!

[Beamr]

Since OH...

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/139x50/images_f7255309731914d5c3a75c9fe7a45274c1e6bc04.jpeg

[Shackman]

Collins X-112 perhaps.

[piesupper]

Collins X-112 perhaps.
a bigger pic here (https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/290341507223329524/) looks to confirm that

[Beamr]

Collins X-112 perhaps.

It is indeed, your control!

[Shackman]

My apologies for not replying sooner Bear - left early this morning. Unfortunately nothing immediately to hand, so will have to make the inevitable reply:

OPEN HOUSE

[India Four Two]

Here's a type with an interesting history. I had never heard of it until last Friday.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1547x622/waf_2021_11_08_f00def9e591ee1391f7c021aea26260063dbdb89.png

[Herod]

Jean Batten by any chance?

[treadigraph]

I'd not heard of it till this Monday - the engine led me in the right direction! Rather attractive...

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Is that an Italian pennant on the tail ? Almost good enough to be related to the Miles Family.............

[India Four Two]

Herod,

Nothing to do with Miss Batten.

O Ops,

Full marks for pennant spotting. I thought it had a lot of Miles characteristics as well.

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Ambrosini S1001 Grifo ?

[Planemike]

Think the guy that designed it may even have seen a Percival Gull beforehand.......!!..

[Haraka]

Jean Batten's Gull used to be in the back of Percival's Hangar at Luton in the 50's

[India Four Two]

Ambrosini S1001 Grifo ?

That’s it. The one in my picture was the subject of a SAREX I participated in on Saturday. The organizer took some good natured ribbing for having chosen such an obscure aircraft.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1170x1806/02ac5d5d_dc4f_445c_bfb9_c1cc3e9cfae1_4f99cddf468826287509f1c 373192dad606c0ee6.jpeg
In 1949, a Grifo (Griffin) flew 1800 nm from Senegal to Brazil in 17 hours. The crew took off with 800 litres of fuel on board - normal capacity was 140 litres! I calculate they were about 40% over gross!


OUAQUKGF Ops has control.

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Thanks India - an elegant looking aeroplane - perhaps better-looking than my offering ?



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1184x582/screenshot_2021_11_09_at_18_15_35_trim_4__bb8017dc573ae4ded7 6de66769d52da87460f3ca.png

[Pypard]

At the risk of missing the obvious, I'm going to say DH.83 Fox Moth.

[India Four Two]

Obviously a DH type, but definitely downwind at Tauranga. The Mount is a giveaway. 😀

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Not a Fox Moth. More likely to be encountered at a Sheep Station..........

[Herod]

More likely to be encountered at a Sheep Station..........

One thing for sure; it's not a Drover. :)

[Beamr]

I'm playing for sheep stations and throwing in ZK-BEN, a Tiger Moth.

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Not quite, I fear, not a Tiger Moth.

[Max Tow]

Not quite, I fear, not a Tiger Moth.

ZK-PHZ Jackaroo might fit the "not quite" a Tiger and "sheep station" clues?

OH if correct.

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Welcome back Max Tow.......

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Thruxton Jackaroo. Max Tow has it , whilst India Four Two nailed the location.



https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1206x608/screenshot_2021_11_10_at_09_48_39_exclusive_thruxton_jackaro o_flight__469ed45a7e5acb5f7064d6abdcd78dc54bc51fae.png

It is Open House.

[evansb]

Re India Four Two's SAREX of C-FANE Ambrosini S.1001 Griffin; Is the time of departure at Olds/Didsbury of 0800 UTC correct? Departing Drumheller at 0900 UTC for a touch and go at Beiseker ?

0800 UTC is 02:00 a.m. MDT, 0900 UTC is 03:00 a.m. MDT.

A scenic tour of the Rocky Mountains on a moonless dark night/early morning? Unlikely.

[India Four Two]

I think for UTC, read MDT, perhaps?

If it was UTC, no wonder it crashed!

[Self loading bear]

Still open house:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/365x223/18392c55_897a_4e81_8171_36ba1245e707_f2ce705ef626c82a631abc2 c8a34090ed5d4b130.jpeg

[Pypard]

You'd have to travel miles to see one of those...

EDIT: is that Headley Road to the rear?

[Noyade]

First glancing thought was a Siebel.
But Miles M.8?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/580x462/scan0765_54b1dc9e24eac86ed3ba076b0752d44ce740351f.jpg

[Self loading bear]

First glancing thought was a Siebel.
But Miles M.8?



over to you Noyade,
Miles M8 it is.

[Noyade]

You'd have to travel miles to see one of those...

EDIT: is that Headley Road to the rear?

Hi Pypard - clearly you didn't need too many Miles to recognise it.
Would you like to take control?

[Pypard]

Yes give me a mo: very gracious of you. I did wonder if the 'travel' (peregrination; the M.8 was the Peregrine) would be a bit too cryptic. :)

[Pypard]

Try this then:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x702/image1_dda483d6ab6e6fd04bb2a359273514323023d452.jpg

[Noyade]

That would be the never finished/never flown SNCASE SE 580?

https://oldmachinepress.com/2016/03/10/sud-est-sncase-se-580-fighter/

[Beamr]

interesting... initial feeling is a mock up of a Hawker Tornado with 24-cyl Vulture X-engine, but it isn't it...
The Italians had the Isotta Zeta 24-cyl X-engine, but can't find anything even remotely resembling the ac in the picture.

EDIT: while I was searching for (false) answer Noyade already nailed it. Ignore this post, big hand to Noyade for getting it!

[Pypard]

Yes it is indeed the SNCASE SE 580: Noyade it's your helm!

[Noyade]

Cheers Pypard!


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/750x352/scan0729_a5ff0c7638f62115c32121d8df37a0503d8e3efe.jpg

[Noyade]

Wiki says 41 were built between 1928-1930 (another source says 30).
USA.
Steve Whittman took over as test pilot when the company founder died in an aircraft crash and eventually relocated the company to Wisconsin.
Curtiss OX-5 engine.

[Asturias56]

I think it's a Pheasant h-10? - there's one in the Air-venture Museum I believe

[Noyade]

I think it's a Pheasant h-10? - there's one in the Air-venture Museum I believe

That's the one.
Over to you.

[Asturias56]

Thanks - the clues made it (relatively) easy...................... try this
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/208x176/2021_11_30_155547_52a8c95a55729a695ac43194f105487c28c5c742.j pg

[Noyade]

I've read there were plans to produce this aircraft in West Germany as the Messerschmitt Me 100.

[Asturias56]

Really? I hadn't read that...........

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/180x120/2021_11_30_155934_307fabfc29335376288fe8f06c5f9575424f32da.j pg
A lot were built but didn't get to fly .

[Noyade]

I read it here...

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x444/scan0789_f955c6f9224350942c3b3725c718c07f3560e280.jpg

(And the Hispano HA-200-RI Saeta was to be the Messerscmitt Me 200 Pfeil)