Name that Flying Machine

[thnarg]

38’ wingspan for eight people and two motors? That’s some wing loading, even with two.
In spite of the peaky blinders they look American?

[Noyade]

Yes - American.
Small motors.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/562x489/motors_edf5620ca480b5b950fb9a79c268cab6608e46f5.jpg

[thnarg]

Oh well that narrows it down to a few thousand!

A big name like Curtiss or a couple of obscure guys working in a garage somewhere?

[Noyade]

Oh well that narrows it down to a few thousand!
A big name like Curtiss or a couple of obscure guys working in a garage somewhere?

Let me try and narrow it down for you. :)

Check out this guy - Jake Moellendick - apparently a bit of a dick in real life, but he funded an aeronautical company with a few "obscure guys" who later branched out on their own and eventually became big names in American aviation.
The machine above with the twin OX-5 engines, was involved in a crash with Walter Beech flying it - eventually re-engined with a single 300 hp Packard. All this was somewhere around 1921.

https://airbornerambler.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/jake-moellendick-and-wichita-the-air-capital/


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/577x496/capture_5156e9dd4edce80896a921e61905e75fa5288096.png

[thnarg]

Thanks for the hint and the link - Jake did indeed know a few “obscure guys” who went on to better things. I found the machine in question (and two became one!) but again will let others play for a while while I do Other Stuff today.

[meleagertoo]

It's the Laird Limousine, designed by Emil Laird in a company financed and part-run by Moellndick. Though highly innovative it was grossly underpowered with two Curtiss OX5s, fared little better when remodeled with a 250Hp Liberty, and same again with the final engine, a 300Hp Liberty

In twin OX5 mode

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/610x403/screenshot_2023_07_04_at_16_07_05_94ce585f949965bd9cce405c93 1248aac519bc0a.png

In interim Liberty mode
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/633x325/screenshot_2023_07_04_at_16_00_25_7ff12935a5befc7f03743ef801 01e9e19fdf2558.png

[Noyade]

:ok:
Over to you Mel.

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/308x329/screenshot_2023_07_06_at_15_27_31_1e8b389cb8bcd50de2383ce982 091e438a1f42d5.png

[Asturias56]

not a glider then...............

[Noyade]

Turned out to be a bit of a 'bomb' during the test phase.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x470/scan_136_edited_2_1_a2d03b053151d0f1d05650427339b29150cf9e1b .jpg

I'm not sure why Gunston captioned it "recoverable" - my impression is it hits the ground with 1,000lbs of explosive - nothing remains?


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x344/scan1379_453d7d74bf0d1cdf6b44900d4fa31cc08dee0d41.jpg

https://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/sperry-fb.html

[meleagertoo]

Well, that challenge seems pretty comprehensively demolished! As if the damn thing needed any help!

Noyade mon brave, à toi!

[Noyade]

Thank you Mel.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x531/another_men_and_biplane_5d4179cb2ffda1c22fe6550f8b8ad153696d 2436.jpg

[Asturias56]

looks like passenger windows behind the gentleman in the black hat?

French?

[Noyade]

It's described (my source) as an "eight-place transport."
Not French.

[Asturias56]

I have this nagging feeling I've seen it before but WHERE??

Is it something to do with TravelAir out of Wichita??

[Buster11]

When a gap allows, would the mods permit, in the interests of accuracy, a reference back to post #4229 , concerning the designer of the Mann & Grimmer M. 1? That 'Mann' was not the Mann and Edgerton Mann, who was a Gerald, but one of the two people who designed and sold early A-frame twin pusher rubber-powered model aircraft "guaranteed to fly at least a quarter of a mile" in Surbiton just before WW1. The south-west suburbs of London seem to have been quite a centre of activity for both model and full-sized aviation around that time; as well as Mann and Grimmer, Sopwith was based at nearby Kingston as was Clarkes, whose main product was aircraft propellers, as well as Britain's first ready-to-fly model aircraft.

The subject and a lot more is covered in detail in A Century of British Free Flight, published by the British Model Flying Association. Is a link allowed? https://shop.bmfa.org/product/a-century-of-british-free-flight-book

[Noyade]

Is it something to do with TravelAir out of Wichita??

From Cleveland. Not Travel Air.

I have this nagging feeling I've seen it before but WHERE??

I'm sure you've seen this machine a thousand times before - in its military guise. :)

[meleagertoo]

Ah! Cleveland's a bit of a giveaway. It's a Glenn Martin TG1, an unsuccessful civvie version of their T4M torpedo bomber.

edit. I suspect the pic below is the Great Lakes built TG2 with a Wright 1820 Cyclone instead of the original P & W engine.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1304x675/screenshot_2023_07_09_at_22_57_51_ab85f5dc578b1b4749732767a8 4d2c5c04e71150.png

[Noyade]

That'll do me Mel.:ok:
Back to you.

Martin had moved out by then and Great Lakes acquired the factory. Aerofiles have dubbed it thus...

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/604x118/gl_f8b4d97e301e97ad1bb782dc66e58f6c489cbe6e.png

I originally made sure to crop that torpedo accommodating undercart. :)

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/659x727/better_crop_f3888c96ebcf319dc111e78867c8d8bd014992c4.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/531x720/u_1d26d35d3f61f13c2b0982b2833da6eecbcf6709.png

Cheers!

[washoutt]

Did it carry torpedoes attached to the horizontal bar at the u/gear? and how was the rear part of the torpedo suspended?

[thnarg]

Torpedo was closely underslung on the Martin, and maybe the extra strutting was to prevent snagging as it fell away. Can’t work out what those eight vertical “hooks” next to the wheels are for though? The Great Lakes still has the mountings and what looks like a control cable.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1099/img_3815_31fc9c82760e78d5d9e41f7abbf5f7b9ab8ded8b.jpeg

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/295x533/screenshot_2023_07_11_at_10_47_41_0c2159a0b5688a7ceec99c6190 0fd39b209ba5f3.png

[longer ron]

Torpedo was closely underslung on the Martin, and maybe the extra strutting was to prevent snagging as it fell away. Can’t work out what those eight vertical “hooks” next to the wheels are for though? The Great Lakes still has the mountings and what looks like a control cable.


The multiple Hooks are explained here thnarg -

https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/NH-70000/NH-70991.html
The hook was designed to catch a lateral arresting wire, as is used now. The small anchor-shaped hooks on the short axle- like members projecting inboard from each main wheel were intended to snag some of a series of fore-and-aft wires and keep the plane from veering off the flight deck to either side after hooking the arresting wire. These fore-and-aft wires, fitted to LEXINGTON when she was first commissioned in 1927, were removed about 1929

[thnarg]

Ah thanks ‘ron. Thought they might be something to do with arresting but surely you’d end up staring at the deck! Sorry mel, now back to your puzzle…

[Asturias56]

Is the challenge Russian - interesting front end..................

[meleagertoo]

Interesting front end indeed.
And no, not Ruzzian.

[chevvron]

Looks like a Rotax 2 cyl 2 stroke; fan cooled; the 'things' on the side of the cowling being the covers for the carbs at the top and exhaust pipes below..
End plates on the wingtips.
Course I'm probably talking b0ll0cks.

[Asturias56]

doesn't even look like English to us non-mechanical types......................... :uhoh:

[meleagertoo]

Course I'm probably talking b0ll0cks.

Sho' are.
That's a good honest C90, not some nasty 2-stroke thing.

[meleagertoo]

For some reason I am no longer able to access a past post to edit it.
Asturias, it isn't English because we don't make aircraft that ugly.

[sablatnic]

When I saw it I thought "Fike", but now that I've looked at it some more, I don't believe that any more!
Don't know what it is.

[Asturias56]

For some reason I am no longer able to access a past post to edit it.
Asturias, it isn't English because we don't make aircraft that ugly.

I was referring to your description - which I 'm sure is absolutely correct - it just doesn't mean anything to me :ooh:..... but then I don't think I've ever looked under the bonnet of my car in 10 years

As for English design ... a country that produced the Bagshot, the Gannet, the Tabor , the Pterodactyl or the Wellesley etc is in no place to throw aesthetic stones IMHO!!

However as you are probably correct one stands onteh shoulders of Giants and commences a searche for early Rotax 2 cylinder efforts and finds quite a few

It may be the Green Sky Adventure Micro Mong of some variety Several of those have a very similar inlet location and shape

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/392x475/screenshot_2023_07_13_at_12_36_48_af9b37a13a05cca53294791a91 5560b8b7deec26.png

[meleagertoo]

Let's zoom out som more.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/622x523/screenshot_2023_07_15_at_12_23_08_e202c74601d32483259a96a9aa 907b5c1dbd0832.png

[Asturias56]

looks liek there's only one picture of the challenge?

American?

[meleagertoo]

American, yes.
Designed for simple construction with no compound curves, no flaps.

[Planemike]

Wittman Tailwind....

[Noyade]

I thought the Wittman as well, but it never quite matched.

looks liek there's only one picture of the challenge?

There are a few out there. Jane's predominately showed it with the wing folded.

https://volareproducts.com/blog/?p=3241


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x254/clipboard_8ef6173b9219d10321d79e798db4a5c6bb7fd91c.jpg

[Asturias56]

good in a cross wind!

[chevvron]

NASA did once test a 'slewed wing' aircraft called the AD-1.
Apparently it had some 'unpleasant' handling characteristics.

[meleagertoo]

Noyade's turn again.

[oxenos]

good in a cross wind!

​​​​​​​and flying under narrow bridges

[Noyade]

Open House please. :ok:

[India Four Two]

Was this a 'flat-plate drag' experiment?


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/734x670/wac_2023_07_16_b074b1ee82aee3a4cb2faa5e24bbe83e74a04d95.jpg

[chevvron]

Russian?

[India Four Two]

I can see why you might think that chevvron, but not Russian.

[chevvron]

I can see why you might think that chevvron, but not Russian.
I was thinking maybe Russian designed but not Russian built; Sikorsky S22 types?

[India Four Two]

Not a Sikorsky design nor a Russian designer, as far as I know.

[Asturias56]

Caproni built some weird looking front ends................

Is it a biplane?

[sycamore]

`Academy Windows`(East Anglia) do bay windows like that......

[D26]

Not biplane but a sesquiplane floatplane named Canadian Vickers Velos.
Developed as survey aircraft, it was difficult to fly and very slow despite P&W Wasp engines. Only one built 1928.

[Asturias56]

`Academy Windows`(East Anglia) do bay windows like that......

I thought the same.................... ;)

[India Four Two]

The Canadian Vickers Velos G-CYZX

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1050x664/velos_1_5aa52fc0a165898a47e9e0d5fe423ded17905cff.jpg

Only Velos built. Found to be very overweight and c.g. estimate wrong. Required modifications delayed first flight until 18 July 1928. Designed to Government spec for photo survey, spec changed midway during development. A quote from the RCAF test report: "It is considered that this aircraft is most unsuitable for any operation carried out in the RCAF." Later found that wind tunnel model had been inaccurate (fuselage longer than as-built), leading to serious stability and control problems. K. M. Molsen called it "the worst aircraft built in Canada".

https://caspir.warplane.com/bin/warplanero.exe?action=webprograms&subaction=airserialscanadian&aircraftno=200001724

I like to imagine that the designers figured that the extra drag of the windows was insignificant compared to all the struts and bracing wires!

I couldn't find the origin of the name. Velos means veil in Latin.

​​​​​​​D26 has control

[D26]

Such a heap of struts and wires struggling along in the air! It can be better, just when one does look at the single engine plane anchored behind it with its cantilever wing.
I did not find a photo of it in the air, no wonder.
Latin: velocis = fast.....

Open house please!

[thnarg]

If I may… a genuine question.

While trudging around the interweb looking for one of your fiendish three-rivets-and-a-strut challenges I came across this “photo”:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1111/img_3851_34ebf1a5e15d0ec5b5d4cdbd19e3d2408776d9e5.jpeg

I didn’t recognise it and assume it was somebody’s rather good steampunk (gasolinepunk?) creation. Anybody out there know anything about it?

Meanwhile, please go ahead if you would like to post a genuine challenge

[oncemorealoft]

Thnarg, it’s one of the three Vickers Windsor high altitude bombers. It was designed by Barnes Wallis and Rex Pierson and first flew in 1943. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Windsor.

[thnarg]

Ah thanks Once’. I’m not a military aircraft nerd and hadn’t heard of it. Interesting design.

Sorry for the interruption, please carry on…

[chevvron]

Thnarg, it’s one of the three Vickers Windsor high altitude bombers. It was designed by Barnes Wallis and Rex Pierson and first flew in 1943. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Windsor.
Photo taken at RAE Farnborough taxying along runway 22 which, by this time, was downgraded to taxyway status; I knew it as 'The Arrestor' runway because several types of catapults and arrestor gear were built and tested on it before they were moved to RAE Bedford in about 1955.. In another photo of a Windsor you would be able to see Farnborough Abbey (which houses the remains of Emporer Napolean III) directly on the centreline.
The Windsors were trucked to Farnborough for assembly and test flying, Foxwarren being a T2 hangar at the junction of the A245 and Redhll Road also known as Silvermere Road and which contained several other dispersed research sites owned by Vickers which are derelict but still there.
Latterly Foxwarren was the home of the London Transport Bus Museum which has now moved to the main Brooklands site.

[India Four Two]

While we are waiting.
one does look at the single engine plane anchored behind it with its cantilever wing.

G-CASK was a very famous Fokker Super Universal:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1333/model_of_g_cask_scaled_e1632170945209_bc202639ef3de6e94dcbc6 8a24e0e7ba5e361b39.jpg

A beautifully detailed model of a Fokker Super Universal. The real G-CASK was registered to Western Canada Airways Ltd. and flown by famed bush pilots Punch Dickins and Walter Gilbert. The first to fly the entire length of the Mackenzie River and over the north magnetic pole, G-CASK was Canada’s most famous airplane of the 1920s.Regrettably, in 1933, G-CASK perished burned up in a refueling accident at Fort MacMurray, Alberta.
https://royalaviationmuseum.com/artefact/fokker-super-universal-airplane-model/

It came to a sad fiery end at Fort McMurray in 1933:
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=1330

I'm lucky enough to have seen a Super Universal in the air. Clark Seaborn who rebuilt CF-AAM*, flew it into my gliding club's field for us to look at. Now it is marooned forever in a museum! :(
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/890x582/cfaam_fokker_june2001_print01_da6436c2838d3ceb301029715ed86d e2fcb83bd8.jpg
​​​​​​​Nearly four decades later, in 1974, the aircraft’s remains were salvaged by the Western Canada Aviation Museum (now the Royal Aviation Museum of Western Canada) and taken to aircraft restoration expert Clark Seaborn of Calgary, Alberta. Seaborn agreed to restore the aircraft in exchange for the right to fly it for five years. Over the next 18 years, Seaborn and his team used the wreck and those of two other Super Universals found in the Yukon to restore CF-AAM to flying condition. The most painstaking part of the process was building the aircraft’s wings. This involved nailing sheets of plywood over wooden ribs using thousands of closely-spaced nails. The end result was an exacting recreation of CF-AAM as it appeared right before its final flight, down to the wood paneling and mohair seats in the cabin.

In 2001, Clark Seaborn flew the restored CF-AAM along its original airmail route in the Yukon before donating it to the RAMWC. ​​​​​​​

https://royalaviationmuseum.com/aircraft/fokker-super-universal-cf-aam/

* Prior to 1929, Canadian aircraft were registered G-Cxxx. Subsequently, they were registered CF-xxx. Nowadays, we have C-Fxxx and C-Gxxx.

[Noyade]

I couldn't find the origin of the name. Velos means veil in Latin.

Greek? = Arrow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velos


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x212/scan1401_ed562a100abc7b2fe293c7d2780ca6e063e4d7f9.jpg


While we are waiting.

Hi Simon. Who or for what?


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/350x569/scan1400_5bc9cc7ee3c226c1dd8e2ef6dfe52d96744ebdb9.jpg

[Asturias56]

a new challenge - its OH I think

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/150x204/screenshot_2023_07_20_at_11_58_02_92722f790ccebd7ed4d84fa384 df6e8982a02e68.png

[Noyade]

Morning Mel.
Very clever. :)
Slow day in Australia for me with miserable weather outside, so I stayed inside looking for this.
I started looking at tail-draggers, but got nowhere. Then looking at it magnified - I would swear on a stack of bibles I could 'see' a pilot with COVID precautions looking to the right.
But the scale made no sense. He was either the world's smallest man or he was in the world's biggest biplane. I blame my optometrist.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x436/scan1406_d3614803a9358cce374e2f126e86d166ec5cd801.jpg

[Noyade]

But just now while sipping tea and accepting your image orientation to be correct - the penny dropped with a mighty thud!
Looks like the computer artist has taken some liberties with this machine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruy%C3%A8re_C_1


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x633/clipboard_d6349b2dae8e0fad0904ffc0bab5bec301b4208c.jpg

[meleagertoo]

Strange looking device, shame it didn't work out.

Noyade has control.

[Noyade]

Another drawing...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x287/pprune_e368c534a547e274ed40213cd30bd7371b121379.png

[Asturias56]

Propeller arc is offset and above nose = pusher?

[Noyade]

Yes - pusher...

[Noyade]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x482/1_b4d92bd782872a6ff2f4f60c7b875d129bcfde33.jpg

[621andy]

I think we have the Trella T-21 N450C...That met with an unfortunate end: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/226284

[Noyade]

Tis the Trella. :ok:
Over to Andy.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x417/scan1410_84970a45bebc501cd9fdd54b607b0e9696299547.jpg

[longer ron]

Very Interesting article in Vintage Airplane magazine about the Trella Brothers covering both the earlier biplanes and the postwar T106,just scroll down to page 30

https://www.scribd.com/document/271405910/Vintage-Airplane-Jun-2006#

[621andy]

Sorry for the delay, I was on the road.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/202x249/pp_8b838ffb512db1236abc5b36dcb177b035a83dd2.jpg
..Anyway here you go...

[621andy]

Anyone out there:confused::}
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/681x380/pp_1e97ec87997a0e0d1f322a12594a7db11cc3288b.jpg

Hopefully this will speed things up:p

[meleagertoo]

Nord Norélic.

A most appropriate name, and one I'm sure everyone today is mightily grateful for.

[kcockayne]

Brantley B2, by any chance ?

[621andy]

meleagertoo has it... Obviously made it too easy with the 2nd pic:O

An interesting design but unfortunately didn't lead anywhere useful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_1700_Norélic From the description, the pic is actually the 1710 I suspect.

All yours...

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/231x166/screenshot_2023_07_29_at_11_43_16_a0ebef0aeb7073cf6079a06dd7 41c84c137a8e79.png

[Noyade]

The Air Department Scout. Known unofficially as the Sparrow.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/479x754/20230730_045457_6863e488f5a2f68d0eef4e24f4d2895889d87701.jpg

[oxenos]

"Handled badly" Not hard to believe.

[Haraka]

"Handled badly" Not hard to believe.
My Father drew up and built a 1/12th scale flying model of the Sparrow in the mid 60's. It flew , but with a tendency to go into spiral instability which ended most flights.

[meleagertoo]

Next one please Noyade.

[Noyade]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x450/20230708_184034_f9b23d21b0c80c82f2b88308e17aa23ee89eae4f.jpg

[Asturias56]

1930's perhaps?

[Noyade]

Yes. Mid-30's

[Asturias56]

European?

[sablatnic]

Ranger engine?

[Noyade]

Not European.
Not a Ranger.
A 160 HP supercharged Menasco.

Appears (very briefly) in a very famous movie.

[Asturias56]

Play it again Sam!

the Brown B-3

[Herod]

Ilsa never said that. When Ilsa first enters the Café Américain, she spots Sam and asks him, "Play it once, Sam, for old times' sake." After he feigns ignorance, she responds, "Play it, Sam. Play 'As Time Goes By'." A classic.

[Asturias56]

yes I know - but that's how it's remembered by 99.99% of the population - and its not the only one - this link lists 20...

https://www.wescreenplay.com/blog/top-20-misquoted-movie-lines/Misquote: “Toto, we’re not in Kansas anymore.”
Actual Quote: “Toto, I’ve a feeling we’re not in Kansas anymore.”

Misquote: “Mrs. Robinson, are you trying to seduce me?”
Actual Quote: “Mrs. Robinson, you’re trying to seduce me, aren’t you?


Misquote: “We’re going to need a bigger boat.”
Actual Quote: “You’re going to need a bigger boat.”

Misquote: “If you build it, they will come.”
Actual Quote: “If you build it, he will come.”

Misquote: “Do ya feel lucky, punk?”
Actual Quote: “You’ve got to ask yourself one question: ‘Do I feel lucky?’ Well, do ya punk?”

Misquote: “Luke, I am your father.”
Actual Quote: “No, I am your father.”

[Noyade]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/639x325/capture_416a6a1081abe818f2d932118ebbb8a084bbd7c6.png

[Asturias56]

Many thanks - I didn't think the "very famous movie" was Ben Hur, Spartacus or Gone with the Wind so it really was Some like it Hot or Casablanca

Then I remembered a thread a year or so ago were there was some discussion of all the types of aircraft in Casablanca - bingo!

Here's an older one

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/265x146/2023_08_01_110444_2ab374c228b1b450599ac15007798cbb0aa2dc84.j pg

[sablatnic]

Photo from Flight International Magazine?

[meleagertoo]

A Cody?

[Asturias56]

Photo from Flight International Magazine?

Not sure where the original pic came from - I didn' t get from flight tho'

[Asturias56]

A Cody?

No - it was a surprise to me - I knew of the company but never realised they'd built this

[Asturias56]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/353x464/2023_08_01_110705_08bb2a29ef3d61817b84680ef1e98f35ca1b3c86.j pg

[Asturias56]

This company tried their hands at construction but eventually went on to specialise in bits - however they are still around tho' subsumed into a current active aircraft construction company

[Asturias56]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/441x267/2023_08_01_110635_31b93e4e843b96651ce96a3deddf91bbda883d5f.j pg

[meleagertoo]

British?

[Asturias56]

yes indeed.................................

[Expatrick]

Bristol Boxkite?

[Asturias56]

no - the company didn't make many aircraft of their own but they moved in to specialist part's and also I believe were involved Shadow Aircraft production in WW2

[Noyade]

Coventry Ordnance Works Biplane?
#10 or #11 - Dunno which.

[Noyade]

Maybe #10?


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x437/scan1416_63582b3eeb14be1239324ccfde2f1b282e394d7f.jpg

[Asturias56]

very interesting...................... :oh:

[Asturias56]

tim has passed and I confirm its a COW 10 (or maybe an 11 - there
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/595x365/625_4_bb86bd0121a9b017fd092569bf23cabb15fe9e76.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/641x371/adadasdsda10_1272f4a40b9aa6ebb1fa9610dcf5f3902405c9c6.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/193x297/2023_08_01_110535_a3afc4f3920391ac3b934a5ddba50b57fc7eff79.j pg
wasn't much difference)

Over to Noyade

[Noyade]

Thanks A56.
But it must be time for someone else now - open house.

[Noyade]

To keep the thread afloat.



https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x761/scan1368_99d40f68f0abeac756b98c391fc5abe230d2a942.jpg

[Noyade]

Various references give a total production of around 1,000 to 1,600.
Many different engines applied. This is the OX-5.

[Asturias56]

Air & Space Museum

"More than 10,000 of these V-8 engines were manufactured, most of them for use in Curtiss JN-4 Jenny trainers. After World War I, thousands of OX-5s and Jennies were sold to the public at a fraction of their original cost to the government. In addition, during the 1920s, the OX-5 engine powered airplanes developed for civil aircraft by Waco, Laird, Curtiss, Fairchild, Alexander, Travel Air, and many other firms."

Doesn't look like a Jenny so we'll just have to slog through every other US aircraft of the 1920's I guess

[Asturias56]

Could be a WACO 10?

[Noyade]

Could be a WACO 10?

Certainly is. All yours A56. :ok:

[Asturias56]

thankyou - the engine helped - ID ing them is not my strong point

i had a chaalenge recently and am onteh road so will have to declare Open House :(

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/105x85/screenshot_2023_08_19_at_13_26_17_8300afc40360ce96691b3309fd 1654154595057d.png

[Asturias56]

looks a bit like a York ..............

[chevvron]

I get the impression it's a glider.

[Noyade]

'Expanding' on Chevvron's idea, most likely the Gribovsky G-11.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gribovsky_G-11


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1034x441/1473953198_legkie_krilia_gribovskogo_41_6ea266d65f3c3a63307f 64dd88a3814fe7fe69df.jpg

[meleagertoo]

Good enough, it's actually the G29 but the two seem to be all but identical.

[Noyade]

Chevvron gave me the inspiration to look at gliders - control to him please. :ok:

[chevvron]

Thank you and Open House. I never even knew the Soviets built gliders apart from recreational ones; I assmed it would be an American development!

[BEagle]

As it's Open House:


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/481x254/quiz_6337d524bf2580804ac7d2e16182d014dce06d8c.jpg

[Asturias56]

I've seen that pic - but where? Looks a bit like the Convair Sea dart but I 'm sure the tail was different..............

[chevvron]

Looks like a canard; SAAB Gripen?

[BEagle]

Neither the Sea Dart nor the Gripen! Neither American nor Swedish.

[Self loading bear]

French Nord 1500 Griffon

[BEagle]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x683/nord_1500_griffon_boden_5360662_653bcc7d4ebf6e716bde52c9e4e0 59712e0c7023.jpg
It is indeed the Nord 1500 Griffon 1!

Self loading bear, well done - all yours!!

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Beagle!

Now this:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1882x1399/3e6604fa_897f_492a_95bf_3552dae3ac39_5a58a0a9f633f4a7cd76352 23b5a211f1892f453.jpeg

[Noyade]

From Canada, Bear?

[Self loading bear]

Yes Canada

I cannot specify the engine.
But I think it will not take long now.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/450x152/c04a3c01_37ff_4699_bc9c_813f57b6d05e_441151fd48ccdda99049f47 4fb72e596324d58d2.jpeg

[Asturias56]

"I cannot specify the engine."

But its a glider ... no?

[thnarg]

It’s a glider, yes. Look for NRC near Edmonton…

[Self loading bear]

It’s a glider, yes. Look for NRC near Edmonton…

Thnarg has it with NRC.

[thnarg]

Sorry bear, I was just trying to help A56 with his research but obviously too much information! That 2300nm tow across to Ontario must have been interesting, presumably releasing the glider when stopping to fuel the (DC3?) tug then hooking up again?

Out and about for the weekend so open house…

[Asturias56]

yes there was no sign of an engine in either of the two pictures Bear posted so I guessed it was some sort of glider.... all news to me tho'..................

[India Four Two]

Here's one I had never heard of until I stumbled on it today:


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/718x396/ntfm_2023_08_30_1e67059a647ac4621f2969c274970ce6c59185b0.jpg

[Asturias56]

now that is ugly - another glider?

[chevvron]

Blohm & Voss BV 40.
German fighter/glider with prone pilot and twin 30mm cannon. Only 7 built.
In a dive it could apparently exceed 500mph - yes and it's a glider!!
That's another one which I remember from the days of 'RAF Flying Review' back in the late'50s/early '60s. (I do keep some garbage in my head don't I?)
OH if correct.

[India Four Two]

While we are waiting:


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1678x940/untitled_2_83260b31f4791c1d51f65f8a002dd16ace8417cf.jpg

[chevvron]

The challenge was set on 30/0814 UK local time and it is now over 24 hours later?

[India Four Two]

chevvron, that is true, but while I was burning the midnight oil when I posted, I was asleep when the 24 hour deadline passed! I’m at UTC-6. :)

Yes, the BV 40. The shape seems completely at variance with the idea of a 500 mph prone-pilot glider!

chevvron has control. Sorry to have kept you waiting.

[chevvron]

According to Wiki, the front armour plating was 20mm thick steel and the armoured glass windscreen was 120mm thick.
Open House!

[BEagle]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/143x97/thing_4676c74d2e2b6777b2e058dd17ae35617f2fbd0f.jpg
Here you go!!

[chevvron]

Too easy.
Miles M100 'Student'.
OH if correct.

[BEagle]

OH if correct.

Assuming it's correct, how about you posting a challenge for once?

[chevvron]

Assuming it's correct, how about you posting a challenge for once?
I only have glossy photos plus a few colour slides and no scanner.

[meleagertoo]

I only have glossy photos plus a few colour slides and no scanner.
You've got a phone with a camera, surely?

[chevvron]

You've got a phone with a camera, surely?
I've got a camera; I don't use a phone with one though and I haven't got a clue how to connect the camera to my netbook.

[BEagle]

It was indeed a Miles Student.

I propose that any future challenge should only be answered by someone who is prepared to contribute a challenge of their own, unless that's being a bit too demanding?

Here's another:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/314x110/thing2_e4b2796394521fb0ab3f4155eeb2e4e4af6d33ec.jpg

[chevvron]

It was indeed a Miles Student.

I propose that any future challenge should only be answered by someone who is prepared to contribute a challenge of their own, unless that's being a bit too demanding?

Here's another:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/314x110/thing2_e4b2796394521fb0ab3f4155eeb2e4e4af6d33ec.jpg
Tee hee.

[India Four Two]

unless that's being a bit too demanding?


Yes, it is. :)​​​​​​​

[Noyade]

Looks like we're still with Miles - the M.60 Marathon...

Miles M.60 Marathon - transport (http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/miles_m-60.php)

[chevvron]

'Tee Hee' is my rendering of a 'Snicker' and a Snickers chocolate bar in the UK used to be called a?
One was allocated to RAE Farnborough and used on the Farnborough - Westcott - Bedford ferry service (occasionally stopping at Twinwoods Farm rather than Bedford itself.)
I was told that with a full load of passengers it could not climb very high and that the passengers hated it in winter as there was no heating.

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

Is that a Snicker or a Snigger ? !

[BEagle]

Yes it's a Marathon. I only met one navigator who'd received training in a Marathon and he wasn't very complimentary about it. Slow and with a very poor rate of climb (30 min to 15000ft if light enough) and they often bumped around at 5-7000 ft in and out of cloud.

There was a nasty fatal accident following probable loss of control leading to an overstress - it was later established thet the stick force per 'g' at high speed was much lighter than the RAF requirement.

All yours Noyade

[Noyade]

Thanks BEagle.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x603/scan1367_cd6e47fc4a801778c9520b4c03fdd7df0f42d804.jpg

[chevvron]

I think I know but I won't say just yet.

[Asturias56]

looks Russian to me - a Lavochkin?

[Noyade]

a Lavochkin?

No. Not from the USSR.

[chevvron]

Hughes H-1 ?

[Noyade]

Not from Hughes.
But it is American and it is a racer.

[Zaxis]

Marcoux-Bromberg R3?

[Noyade]

Nicely found Zaxis. :ok:
Over to you.

[Zaxis]

Thanks Noyade. It was a fun wet Sunday morning tracking that one down.

I'll offer this....

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x722/18sep23_1_f816fcbb6835eb047bb4cf5b10a7b4b8937e1154.png

[Noyade]

I'm not sure why - last night the correct answer was given by Strablanik (spelling?) but now his post is gone?


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x501/scan1445_de7dfc9314def6e0b168f3151aa6f73cd0c4104f.jpg

[Asturias56]

yes - he got it right......................

[Zaxis]

Yes, I was confused by the mystery disappearance of the post! I looked after 24 hours and it was gone.
Strablanik was correct so it's over to them if they want to set a challenge otherwise OH?.
.

[Noyade]

Looks like it needs to be Open House.
Just to keep the thread trickling along....


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/747x440/scan1357_8172f024d47368bd7013976ee2e26a46d88b48c7.jpg

[Asturias56]

1.9 Strutter?

[sycamore]

X-Wind landing technique...it`ll buff -out...

[Asturias56]

Sopwith Pup?

[sandringham1]

I don't want to join the party but I couldn't resist offering Thomas Morse Scout.

[Noyade]

Yes - artwork depicting Howard Hughes crashing the S4 Scout during filming of Hell's Angels. He survived with a fractured skull.

I don't want to join the party

That's OK. Open House. :ok:

[Zaxis]

I'll stay in the party and offer this...


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/636x238/crop2a_d3c1e129b119274453b87c204d2e70f88e78221f.png

[chevvron]

Kamov A-7 gyroplane.

[Zaxis]

Chevron has it. You have control.
Kamov A7 Fighting Gyroplane. The rear gunner must have had to be very careful where he pointed the weapons!


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x564/kam07whole_b2990b8ace1dc1ee490c4fba2504e0a096b7841d.png

[chevvron]

Open House.

[Asturias56]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/231x524/2023_09_24_121131_18b6b03b61aa73eae7d531c634ed555a30bf341a.j pg

not one I'd ever heard of until recently

[chevvron]

I think I know it but let somebody else have a go.
One seen on telly recently.

[Asturias56]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/259x171/2023_09_24_120856_7923850c3983098e8145e31af4951b949bf3f3d7.j pg

[washoutt]

If someone said s/he knows the answer , but won't tell, then I'll be shy to contribute my guess, I may be wrong compared to the other poster.
Wouldn't it be better, not to post at all that you know the answer?

[chevvron]

Washoutt: I only said that because I've had some other successes recently but having said that, the follow - up picture is not the aircraft I was referring to.

[Asturias56]

quite a few of these were built - but I've never seen one in the flesh................

[Asturias56]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/336x326/2023_09_24_120918_4312fced2dff542404497af2edd179f121e57593.j pg

[washoutt]

Ok, Chevron, thanks.

[Noyade]

not one I'd ever heard of until recently

Based on the tail and looking through silhouettes - possibly the Yugoslav KB-6 Matajur?


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/587x196/10_7424ea6bd34e2700945ecfe4dc4d5b432b4cc44b.jpg

[Asturias56]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/157x140/2023_09_24_120950_b199afbdba71e8bd0bcf26628edac201670a57ae.j pg

[NearlyStol]

Jodel D140.

[Asturias56]

(NB Nearly stol has noted his/her contribution is on the wrong thread - it should have been on WhatCockpit)

24 hours has passed and I confirm Noyade has it correct Yugoslav KB-6 Mataju - quite a lot built - also known as the LIBIS

The aircraft design office of LIBIS brought together teachers and students of the Ljubljana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljubljana) technical high school in modern Slovenia . The design office designed the KB-6 Matajur which was a two-seat light trainer and tourer that first flew on 4 June 1952. The KB-6 was a cantilever low-wing monoplane with fixed tailwheel landing gear and an enclosed cockpit with side-by-side seating and dual controls. The aircraft was produced for use in aero-clubs until the mid-1960s.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x584/020_matajur_8cc0159b3a42ff33df3f3dd8d94bff2d26adce50.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1252x828/2023_09_24_120703_cf8ba5fc76d36f30a7f331cb4bf2996f44975b4a.j pg

[Noyade]

Thanks A56.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x759/scan1383_a118bab3f8ffddafc7b6f8dbd327570a862642a5.jpg

[Noyade]

USA...

[Asturias56]

was it adopted into military service?

[Noyade]

No military service.
Many different versions with different engines. The company was in the motion picture business with the owner wanting to get into aviation manufacturing with the hope his traveling salesman using them as transport. Al Mooney of Mooney fame was one of the designers who perfected the design.
Around 900 built.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/898x499/scan1451_0e9ff197b60f446bd2989c2bb331a2cc9ce09ec2.jpg

[Asturias56]

The Alexander Eaglerock - if following the Mooney clue is correct.

A plane I've never heard of but they built almost 1000!!

OH if correct

[thnarg]

A plane I've never heard of but they built almost 1000!!

Me neither, and it’s a pretty little machine that Lindbergh considered for his transatlantic crossing. The Ryan was a better choice.
Quick question: what’s that long tube mounted over the nose?

[ea200]

Me neither, and it’s a pretty little machine that Lindbergh considered for his transatlantic crossing. The Ryan was a better choice.
Quick question: what’s that long tube mounted over the nose?
That's an optical illusion, it puzzled me initially. It's actually a wire brace and is nowhere near the nose. There will also be one on the other side.

[thnarg]

That's an optical illusion, it puzzled me initially. It's actually a wire brace and is nowhere near the nose. There will also be one on the other side.

Ah so it is. Just found some other pictures which show the bracing. Thanks ea200

[Noyade]

The Alexander Eaglerock

That's the one.
A56 has declared Open House.

[meleagertoo]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/101x151/challenge_6cae07e14b2b4e62325508da8797e07dc6651b92.png

[chevvron]

Monnet Moni but not mine!

[meleagertoo]

Even more underpowered than the Moni by all accounts and well over half a century earlier.
One built and 'served' for seven years. It's now in a museum.

[chevvron]

Even more underpowered than the Moni
At just 30hp?
Once I was airborne, it would cruise at 90mph indicated, it took just over half the 819m runway at Fairoaks to get airborne after rotating at 70mph ind.

[meleagertoo]

Ok, poor choice of words. Even less powerful, in this case less than half the power of your Moni.

[meleagertoo]

Dear me, this is going slow...


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/232x237/screenshot_2023_10_13_at_14_06_03_374933fdb773f0c4e8213a8b11 150c3c895cdebd.png
The strap is suspending it from the museum roof.

[chevvron]

3 cyl radial engine.

[Asturias56]

To put this thread on track - it's in Helsinki - the Ardaridi AD3 - Finland's first indigenous design IIRC

Out at the airport -visited it when I was working on & off in Helsinki years ago

[meleagertoo]

Asturias is, as ever, correct.

[Asturias56]

"Asturias is, as ever, correct."

REALLY!!!! I 've been wrong so many time I can't remember.................... often forgetting an idea in my head and wandering off in all directions.. In this case tho' I had actually seen the challenge!

Here's one I haven't seen..................

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/138x199/2023_10_15_112905_e377c577ff91fd5cd6f367a982044761536930d8.j pg

[chevvron]

"Asturias is, as ever, correct."

REALLY!!!! I 've been wrong so many time I can't remember.................... often forgetting an idea in my head and wandering off in all directions.. In this case tho' I had actually seen the challenge!

Here's one I haven't seen..................

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/138x199/2023_10_15_112905_e377c577ff91fd5cd6f367a982044761536930d8.j pg
Well don't get your feet wet.

[Asturias56]

"Well don't get your feet wet."" ?????????????????????????

Another pic

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/254x140/2023_10_15_113004_6fc67c91de83413e30225690250a4ac370c5e0f5.j pg

[chevvron]

Not the one I was thinking of.(I was thinking Lake LA 4)

[Asturias56]

a reasonable number of these were built and I think they are still around - it went under a couple of (similar) names - also several versions.

[D26]

Meyers 200. I am not sure about the warning not to get the feet wet? Leaking windshield?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/650x384/314_eflyer_fa01_22_7da630313842c6b62bf1e42b8ba042e10cd4961d. jpg

[meleagertoo]

And for a little light relief aircraft recognition gurus might enjoy

https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/655332-journalistic-blunder-century-times.html

[Asturias56]

the reference to wet feet was because chevvron thought it was a seaplane.

But its the Meyers/Air Commander 200 - rather a nice aircraft but it cost quite a bit more than the competition and so had limited success - I think there are 70+ still flying

over to D26


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x300/cnbvnbn300_d15d58de0d3438f2777d7cae9a88d006d8c3a29f.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x300/ghfgfg0_38e83f2b8c1deccbfee3bea650e4ea3efc35dcaa.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/400x300/eytrtyrhgh300_4e620beda7a5e6f44b0914cb04be2bb7dac14ee3.jpg

[D26]

Quite an interesting story regarding the production of the Meyer 200. All virtually hand built, therefore not suitable for an assembly line.

Open House, please!

[chevvron]

Now I would have glanced at one and said 'Navion'.

[Asturias56]

They sold a lot more Navions - cheaper for a start.................. interesting article in a recent edition of Flying comparing the two for those who want to buy a used one

[Noyade]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x714/scan1457_c43a24b1af2140abcfe128ae1d4dce1b145d71e9.jpg

[chevvron]

Fokker!!?
Camel and countryside possibly Australian?

[Noyade]

Not a Fokker.
Not Australia.
Possibly Cape Judy Peninsula.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x748/scan1460_c017bf86869efe882f28733da30da80a134279f7.jpg

[chevvron]

So what part of the world is Cape Judy? Never heard of it in the UK.

[India Four Two]

Looks like an autocorrect, Chevvron. Try Cape Juby in Morocco.

[chevvron]

Definitely says 'Judy' on my machine, but I never heard of 'Juby' either.

[Self loading bear]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x714/scan1457_c43a24b1af2140abcfe128ae1d4dce1b145d71e9.jpg

And when it starts, we eat camel tonight.
spiced with a sniff of engineer.

[longer ron]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_de_Saint-Exupery_Museum ;)

[Self loading bear]

The Latécoère 25 has a match in exhaust pipe.
But corrugated body panels seem not to match.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/275x152/b142559f_3c9e_4984_9fc3_b06677f7731e_0923c04e55a223ea9572dc5 92a4aad4efc1b1d2a.jpeg

[sycamore]

Think the corrugated parts are part of the radiator/oil coolers...

[Noyade]

The Latécoère 25 has a match in exhaust pipe.
But corrugated body panels seem not to match.

Tis the 26 - but 25 will do me. :ok:
Not a great deal between them and I didn't show you much of the aircraft.
Thanks India - yes, Juby. My typo - sorry chevvron.

Over to you Bear!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x551/scan1461_c80f591d35e85f406881b7102aadc6e7e8deb9b8.jpg

[Self loading bear]

Thanks Noyade,
I did find the 26 first but could not match the radiators (thank you sycamore) nor the bend down exhaust.
Then I found the 25 with at least a matching exhaust on some photos.

Now this:
By definition it should be difficult to identify this one:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/444x283/c76216ce_da01_4f68_a9c8_ede36c74e90b_4d3dafa9ba2760eab806e51 3aec1c0d64a703efd.jpeg

[Asturias56]

looks agricultural to me

[BEagle]

The aircraft was given its name because neither the designer nor his wife could decide on an appropriate name for the design!

Only 3 ever registered. Pretty decent STOL performance too!

[chevvron]

From the look of all the slots and flaps, I would call it 'Lysander'!!
(Can't call it 'Zaunkoenig' cos that was a single seater)

[Asturias56]

American? looks like a possible N -number on the tail

[Self loading bear]

Beagle knows it!
Now the rest to catch up!
Indeed American

[meleagertoo]

By definition it should be difficult to identify this one
Because it's called unknown, mystery, nameless ghost, etc?
I'd hazard a guess it's not a 2FF2R though.

[BEagle]

The reason it was difficult to identify is that its name is that used for unknown corpses etc...

John Doe

Back in 1973 I remember hearing some idiot radio DJ unwittingly reading out a prank dedication from a 'Mr John Doe' for President Nixon's 'great work in Viet Nam' before playing an anti-war protest song!

OK try this:


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[Self loading bear]

Beagle named the unknown
American Homebuilts John Doe
designed by Mr Nusbaum.

[sycamore]

French,or Italian...?

[Noyade]

EDO XOSE-1

[Asturias56]

Beagle's got it tho he didn't actually NAME it.............

[BEagle]

It was indeed the Edo XOSE-1!

Noyade, over to you!!

[Noyade]

Thanks BEagle.


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[India Four Two]

American?

[Noyade]

Sorry India - not American...


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[Asturias56]

Nice shed!

[Noyade]

Nice shed!

Belmont Common Aerodrome.
Geelong. VICTORIA.
Circa 1926.
:)

[sycamore]

Looks a bit DH-4 modified...?

[Noyade]

Story goes he was a farmer who built this in a workshop based on a series of Flight articles and the general outline of the SE5.
McKenzie was his surname.


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