Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme

[Chloe.M]

Hello everyone! I live in NY and recently got the email from Cathay saying I reach their requirements to the advance cadet program. Have some questions that I concern if I should continue my farther application. Does anyone knows that

-how long is the training for the advance cadet program for HK base (second officer) if being selected?

-how long is the contract commitment? If you feel that CX is not for you and want to leave after you finish training / work 1-2 years later, do you need to pay back any training fee or buy back the contract?

-if ICAO log time can be transfer into FAA log time if I would decide to go back to USA for another pilot job?

thanks in advance!

[pilotchute]

Chloe,

You will bewa second officer for 5 years. None of that time counts in FAA land. Training in Australia is around 3-6 months and tou will have to pay back a huge amount of money if you leave early.

[Chloe.M]

Oh it’s 3-6 months, I thought I saw 5-8 weeks intense training from somewhere😱 so the contract will be at least 5 years with them? Thanks!

[avibeeeeee]

Hi!guys
I will apply in the mid of 2020.
I'm looking for a study group to prepare both tech and hr.
I wish it will be a small gp up to 4-5 people.
if you are interested please feel free to whatsapps me +852 60866142

[Kenneth Yung]

I am wondering how many candidates are chosen for each interview to get into the cadet program ?
thanks

[Chloe.M]

Which website did you guys take the ICAO english test? It seems like they have different level of tests, which one did you take?
Thanks!

[Pilotkid]

Chloe,

you mentioned Second officer and also Cadet Program, which one exactly are you referring to. Those are two different program at cathay pacific from what I know. The cadet program are basically for HK Residents who doesn't have no Pilot license (Ab-initios) and thats the folks that need to repay money, which comes out of the salary im told. The SO position however are for CPLMEL holders and if selected its about 8-10 weeks of training in FTA adedaile and don't think you have to repay anything. Leaving the company before upgrading to Jr. FO which could take between 3-5 yrs wouldn't be a sensible thing to do becasue you wouldn't have logged any hours and like pilotchute said, its a no no in FAA Land. All the best

Cheers

[silencer1]

Hi all,

I'm thinking of applying around mid to late September time(Might even be later, depending on progress), I have a little bit of experience flying gliders and did Engineering at university. So if anyone would like to form a study group as well(Or I can join yours :) ), please feel free to contact me on Telegram, my username is Altocumulus1.

Thanks

P.S. If there is anyone who comes from a similar background as I do, feel free to drop me any advice.

Edit: The study group is now full

[flyingtaurus]

Hello everyone! I live in NY and recently got the email from Cathay saying I reach their requirements to the advance cadet program. Have some questions that I concern if I should continue my farther application. Does anyone knows that

-how long is the training for the advance cadet program for HK base (second officer) if being selected?

-how long is the contract commitment? If you feel that CX is not for you and want to leave after you finish training / work 1-2 years later, do you need to pay back any training fee or buy back the contract?

-if ICAO log time can be transfer into FAA log time if I would decide to go back to USA for another pilot job?

thanks in advance!

Hey,how are you? Would mind posting the timeline about when you applied and how long did they take to reply? TIA.

[nondirectbacon]

Dear all,

I am looking for group mates to form study group. Please feel free to PM me if you feel comfortable to join. Thank you very much.

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[Chloe.M]

Applied via their website, got an email about 4 days saying I reached their minimum requirements. Gave me about two weeks to send back all their requirements. Got an email saying their received my documents after 5 days. Now I’m waiting for further response..

[BravoLimaKilo]

How many stages are in this process now?

From Canada and invited to initial A. I assume they will give me another date to fly back to HK for initial B and so on.

Just wanted to see how many stages are in this process now to estimate the expense that will be incurred.

[Chloe.M]

Hey, how long did they email you for interview after you submitted all the required documents? I’m still waiting :(

[cptchopsticks]

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[azuredragon]

Looking for applicants who have stage 1A on 23SEPT:8 pls inbox with telegram

[cptchopsticks]

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[Shanz]

Hi, is there any update with your application? I am on the same boat

[Frankie Lee]

Anyone have stage 1A on 23SEP here?

23 Sep 👋🏻 Telegram: @Frankie9277

[nicole868686]

hi guys,

I’m a new user here. Just graduated from uni, planning to apply cpp in one year (hopefully), any wannabe have a similar plan and would like to form a study group?

please drop me an email, I’ll share my whatsapp number to you. Many many thanks!!!

email: [email protected]

[nicole868686]

Seriously, do cx accept 157cm?

[chlo.e]

Mine replied within a week, when did you apply?

[Chloe.M]

Mine replied within a week, when did you apply?


i applied on aug 20th =( maybe i am not qualified =/

[Chloe.M]

I was told the height doesn't really matter as long as you can reach all the buttons in the flight deck.

[Alvin Cortazar]

Hello forumI am a HK resident and am planning to do the CX cadet program going in with NO flying experience. I was hoping I could pick your brains and help others in my position in the process.

What kind of questions can I expect to be asked in the interview?

For some maths is not our best subject, any recommendations on what's math subjects will be covered in the interview process and maths test? I hear tale of a COMPASS test??

Any apps or downloadable content we can use to practice the apptitude tests?

Should I expect trick questions? What was your experience?

To what extent should my knowledge on aircraft mechanics and aerodynamics be prior?

Am I overthinking this (retorhical question)

I am aware of the obvious such as showing passion for flying and company knowledge and how the interview process changes. But if there's other things I may have missed please let this forum know it would be extremely helpful.

To others in my position if you want to study together please message me or leave an email, I'm hoping to put my application in June/July 2018.

Thank you forum


I submitted my application this month and their reply was I had submitted my flight crew application and kindly update application for personal and professional details using my PRN (Personal Reference Number).
Regarding the maths according to the Preparing for Your Cathay Pacific Interview, all 16 multiple choice questions and all covered were long multiplication and long division, algebraic expression and word problems.

Downloadable from the internet, see the following sites.

PDF Drive
Epdf. PUB
Scribd.com copy URL of the specific book then paste on Dlscrib.com and/or Scrdownloader.

Math Subjects

Math Word Problems Demystified
Math Word Problems Express Review Guide
The Power of Vedic Maths

The aptitude test COMPASS test use SkyTest software preparation. Cathay Pacific uses Cut-e test and i purchased SkyTest online and with no monthly subscription fees and only one time payment for less than 5,000.00 PHP.

I also downloaded the 14 ATPL knowledge
FOR the simulator I just familiarize myself with the Boeing 777 Flight Manual. The technical exam or the tech quiz posed by Cathay Pacific is based mainly from the book Handling the Big Jets by D.P. Davies and Fly the Wing by Capt. James Webb and Bill Walker.
See also the Intelligent Television and Video www.itvv.com for the Cathay Pacific Boeing 747-400 or can be viewed from YouTube.

Hope found all useful resources.

[st048]

Hi all, I just submitted my application for the cx cadet program. Looking for buddies to form a study group, share information, practice and discuss about the selection stages and technical knowledge. If interested pls whatapp 6871 5744. Cheers

[Piper 96]

Hi all, I have my Initial A invite for October the 16th. I would greatly appreciate any advice on the preparation and can be contacted on telegram: Piper 96

[bonhy]

Hi all,

planning to submit my application within this two week, if anyone wants to prepare together please contact me via telegram: tttion

Cheers!

[nicole868686]

Hey everyone!

i will start my cpp preparation soon and planning to submit the application in 1.5yrs. All of you guys here seems well prepared already, can anyone share your study schedule or methodology !??? Many many thanks.

Also, if anyone has a similar plan and want a Study buddy, email me please!! [email protected]

see you in cockpit, cheers!!

[smm841]

Hi guys,

I will be submitting my application in Late November. Would really like to prepare with someone, this is my whatsapp number +44 7448595602. Please message me if youre interested!

[smm841]

Does anyone know any online software/links to test myself on the PHAK Chapters?

[luz773]

Hi, everyone. New to be here.
I've sent the CPP application on 22nd Aug but up till now I didn't get any update. Is there anyone here having the similar situation?

And would anyone mind sharing recently for how long you've waited from application until receiving the email of invitation stage 1a?
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Thank you so much!

[Eugene816]

Does anyone know any online software/links to test myself on the PHAK Chapters?

Pilot Training System has good PHAK chapter summaries on Youtube and multiple choice questions on their site, if you make an account. Just don't rely on it too much as it's not as detailed as the book itself.

[leena666]

Hi just wonder if anyone been invited to attend Cathay program assessment 1a lately ?
I applied month ago (oversea applicant) but still haven’t heard anything from them.

[fancl]

Same here, I applied on 4 Sep but no invitation email is received yet...

[mchan22000]

Anyone having their 1B on the week of Oct 11th? Please message me via telegram @ckxamc
Thank you

[kc13]

Hello - I wanted to check out the latest CPP program info/updates. Do you guys have any idea if CX would hold any seminar/career talk soon in HK? Welcome info!!

Cheers!

[ISAACCCC]

Please contact me in [email protected] if you wanna form an study group,

[seb972]

Anyone for direct entry final interview on 30th 31st October 2019? please whatsapp me: +33 0 6 46 25 13 70 or email me: [email protected]

[Paul.honwl]

Looking for CX stage 2 groupmate on 14th oct. please PM me or email [email protected] thanks!

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[AngelFaceeeee]

Hello there. I plan to apply for the programme tomorrow.

May I ask as a beginner with no aviation background, what areas of topics will you guys recommend to me for a brief introduction to relevant knowledge for the interview?

Thank you very much.

[JamesJones]

I applied on Saturday, and wondering how long I can expect to wait for a response? (Hopefully positive!) :O

[AngelFaceeeee]

I applied on Saturday, and wondering how long I can expect to wait for a response? (Hopefully positive!) :O
I finished my application for Cathay Dragon like three weeks ago, and I got an initial a assessment inviation last week.

Hope this info can help you :)

[JamesJones]

I finished my application for Cathay Dragon like three weeks ago, and I got an initial a assessment inviation last week.

Hope this info can help you :)

Thanks! Hopefully I can hear something soon! Any specific reason why you applied to dragon and not CX?

Did you apply for direct entry?

What is the first assessment based on?

[igotoschoolbyairplan]

Hi Guys, I'm planning to apply for cadet CPP in Nov/Dec 2019, would like to form a study group with people with a similar plan to study weekly / Bi-weekly.
Feel free to add me on telegram: @igotoschoolbyairplane

[last3xile]

hello, I am interested in forming a study group.
No aviation background. send me an email!
[email protected]

[AngelFaceeeee]

Thanks! Hopefully I can hear something soon! Any specific reason why you applied to dragon and not CX?

Did you apply for direct entry?

What is the first assessment based on?
Nope. I just think that KA's questions are easier to answer :-p

It also relates to my non-aviation background. Since now it is the beginning of the job recruitment season, I am busy about other job applications. I think I will finish my CX application later.

[KevinLynn]

Anybody want to form a study group? I will be applying again in December. If anybody is interested please email me at [email protected]

[JamesJones]

Can anyone who has completed their 1A and B assessments shed light on the process after? Whether there are further interviews? How long before you found out if you were accepted?

Also an idea of what was difficult in the assessments?

Thanks!

[JamesJones]

I have my 1A on 12th Nov, so if anyway wants to share info message me!

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[ng.steven816]

Anybody having final interview on 14 November? Would like to meet up and practise group exercise.
My email: [email protected]

Thanks

[flying_bearz]

Looking for stage 2 groupmates on 11th Nov. My email: [email protected]

[Rithfung]

Hi all, I am looking for stage 2 candidate on 13 Nov 0900, pls contact me and try prepare it together ^^

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[superdeer]

Hello all, I am taking a year to prepare for 1A. Any study groups? Thank you very much.

[Lieblingcynthia]

I will have my 1A in December, anyone else also going in December?:)

[Chloe.M]

Hey all, I’m having final interview on 11/20, anyone can give me some advise or is there any study group where we can discuss and study together? Thanks!
Email: [email protected]
Tg: just4chloe

[ItnStln]

Is this open to all nationalities or are there restrictions?

[Lieblingcynthia]

Is this open to all nationalities or are there restrictions?

For the cadet pilot programme is open for HK residents only. For other entries like second officer it is possible for all nationalities if you have CPL and 250+hrs.

[ItnStln]

For the cadet pilot programme is open for HK residents only. For other entries like second officer it is possible for all nationalities if you have CPL and 250+hrs.
Thank you!

[cmho95]

Who are going to do your final on 16 Dec 2019?
please feel free to contact me via
email : [email protected]
telegram : onee119rhi

Lets practice together!

[Parkwall]

Anybody having their 1B soon? I’ll be having mine this month. Looking for buddies to form a group.
Please feel free to contact me!
telegram: @ParkW11

[noregret]

I am going to have stage 1A in December, anyone also have 1A in December and want to form a study group?
Please feel free to contact me!
​​​​TG: @withoutregret

[b7777777]

Hi! If you have your final on 17th Dec, please contact me via telegram: @aakkkkkkkk
Let's practise!

[lemontart]

Hello! Anyone is having their stage 2 on 10th Jan? I would like to practice tgt. Please contact me on telegram.
TG: @raredragonite
Looking forward to meeting you!

[khtkht123]

Hi! If you are having final stage on 6th jan, please inbox me!
Let's practise!

[lester0511]

Please 1) inbox me in PPRUNE or 2) text me in TG (@shing511) if you are gonna have final stage on 06Jan2020 :)

[jobie123]

hi, if anyone has final on that day please inbox me.

[Mr.louis]

will have 1A on 8th Jan...looking for group-mate to study together.
whatsapp : +85264298791

[Lieblingcynthia]

I'm going on 18th dec:)

[smm841]

Hi I'm having 1A on 16th December. Will be in HK from 11th onwards, would like to meet or study with someone. My whatsapp number is: +44 7448595602

[Ozaceap]

Hi, PM please!

[wgtt]

If you are having it on that day, please PM or email: [email protected]. Thank you

[skc019]

Looking for stage 2 group members on 22 Jan. Lets practice together! PM or IG:smartdolpin

[Alnywk]

I would like to join the study group
please include me [email protected]

[henry1989]

If I failed stage 2, would I need to do stage 1 tests again?

How difficult is the 1A questionnaire? some people are saying it's dead easy because the other 3 choices are so obviously wrong, but the exam tips on LPJ seem to suggest otherwise to me...

Has it really become easy to become a CX cadet in recent years?

[leena666]

Looking for cadet program stage 2 group mates on 23rd Jan . Whatsapp +61412880237 (tel:+61412880237) 🙂

[henry1989]

Folks,

Stage 1a tech quiz was not easy at all. FAA book tells you what are X and Y but be well-prepared for applied knowledge questions. You'd need 70% to pass.

Either the level of difficulty has changed, or people were trying to deceive their potential competitors by calling it 'very straightforward' online.

As for the games, go get a premium on LPJ. There were 8 parts in total, two surveys about your behaviour, as well as 6 games which were: reaction, monitoring, spatial orientation, multitasking, missile and numeracy tests.

I'm pretty sure I didn't make it, in fact part of me don't want to pass that quickly for now. Later stages as well as the training in Australia can only be orders of magnitude more difficult, which can never be reattempted for life if failed, so better spend some time to obtain CPL/ATPL-level theory knowledge before I even consider reapplying.

[jc0620]

I am planning to apply next year.

Please add me to any study group

telegram: jc84320620

[loyinman]

Cadet Pilot stage 2 final interview on 6 Jan 2020
please feel free to contact me via
email : [email protected]
telegram : rr951357

Lets practice together!

[Henderson Tang]

free feel to practice ICAO English and 1B systematically and intensively together:

tg @hdc0117

[smm841]

is it normal to face 2-3 rejections before you are given an offer or does cathay close the door on you?

[smm841]

if you don't pass 1B and are re-called back in 9 months are you required to re-do 1A as well or will it just be the 1B interview?

[phone]

Dear All,

I’m doing stage 2 interview on 23 Jan 2020.

Anyone having the assessment the same day? Would like to find a study groupmate to study together.

[deepenbhai]

Hi guys,

Does anyone know how the cut-e tests correspond to the difficulty levels on Latest Pilot Jobs? Thanks

Also for those applying from abroad - how long did it take you to receive an invite, and when did you have your ICAO and 1B?

[deepenbhai]

Did you end up hearing back?

[Krish Na]

Dear All,

I’m doing stage 2 interview on 23 Jan 2020.

Anyone having the assessment the same day? Would like to find a study groupmate to study together.

Please email to [email protected] or PM me.
Hi Jeffrey..could spare some tips for initial A?..
anyone else got initial A on 16th?

[phone]

Hi Jeffrey..could spare some tips for initial A?..
anyone else got initial A on 16th?

practice make perfect

Search for similar assessment and familiar them. Of course, you need to understand the textbook too. Not much calculation needed.

[bornwithwings]

if you don't pass 1B and are re-called back in 9 months are you required to re-do 1A as well or will it just be the 1B interview?
direct 1B and stage 2, confirmed.

[VMCG123]

if you don't pass 1B and are re-called back in 9 months are you required to re-do 1A as well or will it just be the 1B interview?
Case by case. Better send enquiry and ask through email

[AKAK]

Hi guys, I was trying to apply for Cathay cadet online and found cadet program is not listed in the postions you apply for - there are 'Second Officer', 'First Officer' and 'Simulator Instructor' but no cadet. Anyone knows if they closed cadet application? Thanks.

[Ken TSE]

I remember they do not have the option of pilot cadet as usual. Just selecting 'second officer' would be fine.

[icanfly330]

Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme Stage 2 Final Interview on 24 Feb 2020
Please feel free to contact me via
Email: [email protected] OR
PM me

Let's study together!

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[Rick0609]

free feel to practice ICAO English and 1B systematically and intensively together:

tg @hdc0117

please WhatsApp 68281395 ...for study icao

[hapilad]

Hi all,

Did anyone send in an application in Jan 2020 and already get a reply?

Thanks!

[chobo97]

Hi all,

Did anyone send in an application in Jan 2020 and already get a reply?

Thanks!

I sent my application last month as DEFO, havent heard anything from them until now. I guess they holding recruitment for a while due to situation that have been going on in HK.

[Butterflyfish]

I am looking for study group. Anyone?

[stb21]

I had to do the MC test again but not CUT-E. The questions were significantly different from what I had for the 1st attempt.

[Rick0609]

I am looking for study group. Anyone?
please contact ......

[jjhews]

All cadet recruitment is on hold until further notice. Includes second officer and cadets.

[Ken TSE]

All cadet recruitment is on hold until further notice. Includes second officer and cadets.
I have applied the cadet programme in Dec 2019 and I received an 1A invitation last week. I think the recruitment is still in progress.

[flyingtaurus]

I have applied the cadet programme in Dec 2019 and I received an 1A invitation last week. I think the recruitment is still in progress.


Good day Ken, How are you? When exactly is your date of assessment?

[Ken TSE]

Good day Ken, How are you? When exactly is your date of assessment?
In 12 February.

[hapilad]

Hi ken, when exactly did you send your application? thanks

[Ken TSE]

Hi ken, when exactly did you send your application? thanks
I forget the exact day sending my application but it's around the middle of December 2019.

[stb21]

Anyone has Stage 2 Final Interview on 26 Feb 2020?
Please feel free to contact me through PM or telegram: @stbA21

[jointofly]

Anyone would like to continue studying together, prepare for the recruitment window to be opened again.

Would like to join some study group & exchange some knowledge.

Applied last month and waiting for the invitation. Many thanks

Tg: kansheiro

[Leavingonajetplane01]

I am looking for study group. Anyone?
Interested please contact, also need study group.

[Leavingonajetplane01]

please contact ......
Interested also need study group, please contact

[Leavingonajetplane01]

Anyone would like to continue studying together, prepare for the recruitment window to be opened again.

Would like to join some study group & exchange some knowledge.

Applied last month and waiting for the invitation. Many thanks

Tg: kansheiro
Hi,
I am also looking for a study group for cathay cadets, please contact.

​​​​​​​Thanks.

[Leavingonajetplane01]

Hi, I'm looking for study group to prepare for programme, just applied to program yesterday.

Would like to find people to share information and practice for interviews and study for testing.

Msg me on TG:cph01

[pph]

Hello, I'm looking for a study group~
Please PM me or TG: pphcx Thanks!

[Melon96]

Hello is anyone doing the Initial A on Feb 24th?
​​​​​​

[LeMoN_YSF]

Hi guys!
I am looking for study group!
MY tg: EY_852

[marcotang2]

Hey there,

I have whole set of Bob Tait's RPL/PPL/CPL book for sale, pm me if any of you guys would like to have it.

Cheers!

[fledlinghawk]

I found a website for practicing the monitoring test in 1A
monitoring-test dot com

[alexlkyat]

applied cpp last week and looking for people to do some mock in and prepare together.
tg, tomb1211

[Kin784]

Hi there, I am also interested in joining the study group. Grateful if you would add me into the group! Thank you :)
tg: marchtothescaffold

[calvinf14]

Hi! I also just submitted my application and would love to join a study group! Thanks!!
tg: calvinf14

[Bloodheater]

Any study group?
plz add me TG: buubuuboy

[Bloodheater]

Hey everyone. Plz add me into the group as well. Thanks a lot!
TG: buubuuboy

[Dog Star]

Study Buddy needed

[joyinwongwong]

hey all~
I am based in Singapore (HK PR), 29 years old and switching from accounting career to applying for cadet programme yesterday. Anyone knows my chances of getting in?
Little to none aviation knowledge. Should I start studying for the tests now?

Cheers!

Whatsapp : +65 9695 0930

[Daniel Choi]

Hey Leverage, Im over 30 and I got a response within 4days of applying for my 1A test later this month.
This is my second attempt so I dont think age or attempts should matter in regards to if they interview you or not.
Try looking at your application to see if you can add in anything more that would make you stand out.
do you hold any flying license or saved some flying hours?

[Daniel Choi]

thanks for your info, but i thought they now using the Cut-E system on 1A test?

[Frankie Hui]

Hi everyone~ just started preparing for cadet interview. Plz add me to the study group too. Thanks~
tg: hourglasshk

[Leveraged Pilot]

do you hold any flying license or saved some flying hours?

Little update: After a year, Cathay still hasn't replied to me (Dragon too). I am a HK permanent resident also an FAA Instrument Rated Multi-engine commercial pilot. I think age might be a factor as I am 30+. Also with the protests and current coronavirus, plus all those laid off HK airlines pilot, there is no longer a shortage of pilots in HK. Pilots here are now a dime a dozen.

[nnooeell]

Hey :) I am interested in joining the study group~
Grateful if you would add me into the group!
Thank you x
Tg : minjitung

[cruisepower]

Cathay has freezed all the recruitment just like almost every airlines in this region. Let’s just hope the corona virus situation gets better. I also applied for the Second officer position and been waiting for a while.

[naakk]

Hi everyone~ I am starting to prepare for next year application. Any study buddy?
TG: butgot

[joyinwongwong]

Have just applied for Cadet in Cathay Dragon as well as Cathay Pacific... Wonder how long the CoVid19 situation will drag out and affect pilot recruitment.

[ywyw]

Hi everyone, wondering if there is any study group available for cathay cadet programme? would like to join a study group!
TG: ywyw2020

Thanks a lot!

[Flylok]

May I know anyone got 1B recently? I have one upcoming. If anyone want to drill or practice tgt in upcoming, plz contact me by tg: fly777er

Thanks.

[yywhywhy]

Hi guys, I m looking for study group. Please add me
tg: yy2020s. Many thanks!

[Auxiliary777]

hello everyone!

i am not sure right this moment is still okay to submit the application form of CPP.
due to the outbreak coronavirus, i believe that many processes of interview have been postponed.
May i know anyone of you guys are planning to apply these days?
leave me a contact and i will find you to discuss about the study and let's enhance our foundation.

[alexlkyat]

can't find you on tg, please add me and discuss more
tg: tomb1211

[Tiffy]

Hello! I am new to this forum but I am planning on applying to the CX cadet program this summer.

Can someone please add me to a study group?
tg: tiffy3

Thank you!

[CXWannaBe94]

Hi all,

New to all this and looking for info and potential study groups. Can I be added into the study group please? TG: JuliaChnag94

Also, my friend has told me that prep 4 airlines @ gmail . com is now helping cadets with assessment preparation. Has anyone used this?

[Lhy]

Hi 👋🏽 Is there any study group formed ? I would like to join !! Pls add me !! Tg: timhortonsca

[Lhy]

Hi everyone i just created a TG study group chat i find it more efficient in posting link than leaving TG accounts ....
Pls feel free to add ppl though:
t.me/ccppreperation

[smm841]

Hi guys

Anyone interested in forming a study group for the cadet program. Add me on telegram +852 6154 2960 :) planning to apply closer to the end of the year

[CXWannaBe94]

Hi - I am looking at the CPP. Add me on TG: JuliaChang94 please

[danial2810]

Hello, I'd love to be added to the group as well! My telegram is danial2810.

Thank you!

Danial

[jarmin0223]

Hi guys, does anyone know whether the recruitment process is still on progress? Like any 1A test recently? Thanks!

[micht]

Hi everyone, I will apply for cx cadet next year. would like to join a study group and share information together. please add my
TG: michtsm

[benny_sze]

Hi, I hold an EASA fATPL and applied to the Direct entry second officer and considering applying to the cadet programmes.
I would like to join a study group.
Telegram: SYLBenny

[Koby.C]

Hi guys, just wondering how many flight hours do you get before hitting the apply button for Cathay cadetship?

I'm really struggling between RPL and PPL

[poipoiqweqwe109]

Hi guys! Do you think the recruitment in the following year will be freezed? I am worried about this. thanks

[glamorousbanter]

Hey guys, just wondering if the cadet program still running? cuz i heard no new cadets have been sent to AUS or NZ for the past 3 months

[fliegender_hker]

Hi Lads! it may not be the most appropriate time to apply for cadet programm, but has anyone received any news form CX recently for any sort of test?
I've applied on 19th Feb (from Germany) and still haven't got any news. Maybe because of the travel restrictions?

Cheers

[ChrissyPrezzie]

Anyone who is thinking about signing up the program and expecting to receive some sort of invitation now shouldn't be near the cockpit. Read on the news, and use common sense! Good Grief.

[777worldliner]

Hey there!
Can anyone tell me what the total cost of the cadet program is. I’ve read conflicting answers to this. Some say it is 100% fully sponsored by CX, while others say cadets have to pay a portion of it. All know is that the training costs CX HKD1.2m. So, if anyone can clarify this for me, I’d really appreciate it.
Thanks!

[Low budget pilot]

50% of training fee. Deduct from salary for 3yrs

[Mendi Matt]

With such low hours I can only imagine that, if successful in your application, you will have to do all of the training again, from scratch.....But, as a stepping stone, it still might be worth it. Take a look through all these forums and take some time to work out if CX and Hong Kong will be a good fit for you. Good luck.

[tsun0519]

Hey guys,

I would like to apply for the CX cadet pilot programme later this year. Any study group may I join or information could be share?
Please feel free to contact me on TG @hehakaka, thanks!!

[CX163]

Technically, we will have our basic salary fully paid but just the pilot allowance not being paid in 3 years' time. So it's so-called fully sponsored lol

[Kwan Decker]

Hi guys

I am going to form a study group for the cadet program. telegram: ddk0119

[CovidRefugee]

Hi, Would CX be interested in a Ryanair f/o joining as direct entry....either s/o or f/o? Would paying for a type rating before help my chances???

cheers

[Climb150]

Half of the Cathay fleet is parked. Many Airlines have already laid off wide body FO and Capts.

I know you are trying to do what is best for you but nobody is hiring now and probably won't be for a long time.

[Low budget pilot]

Greetings

I am preparing for 1A stage, if anyone would like to have a study buddy, pls add tg: Rodriguezhkg

[kt93]

When did you receive the invitation for Stage 1A?

[CJSN0320]

I am planning to apply for CX cadet next year. Will be grateful if anyone can add me into telegram study group.

My tg:cjnfs032

Many thanks!

[dragoon17c]

Doubt there will be any cadet program this year and next year

[dragoon17c]

Hi, Would CX be interested in a Ryanair f/o joining as direct entry....either s/o or f/o? Would paying for a type rating before help my chances???

cheers
CX is not hiring pilots this year, even in 2021

Whatever how experienced you are, you have no chance

[Flyinghigh747]

Hi guys,

I know it is a great disappointment that the COVID 19 has put the entire programme to a halt. But Cathay will eventually resume the selection and there is nothing better to do than to be well-prepared it. Our study group is currently looking for other like-minded people to be a part of us. We have a venue in the city center to conduct our studies together. Please PM if you’re interested. Come join us! ✈️

[Flyinghigh747]

Hi there,

Some of you tried to PM me to join our study group :ok: But unfortunately my PPRUNE mail box is full so I will list my
TG account here: flyinghigh747

But before you sign up please be sure that you're ready for our highly intensive group ;) There will be sweat and tears!
This is so that we are ready for our next chapter in Adelaide~

[Sara53]

Hi guys, looking group mates for group study. please add at Telegram @SaraCeng
thank you

[michaelcheung]

Anyone tried to do the ICAO language proficiency test from abroad, or does it have to be at one of the HK-based exam centres suggested?

Welcoming any study groups or advice for the assessment/interview process!

[Henry.p]

Hey everyone. I just applied to the cadet programme but did not receive a confirmation email. Anyone in the same boat?

[ChrissyPrezzie]

If you are wondering why there isn't any contact email on the job ad like what it used to be...go figure.

[funchopatt]

Hi, anyone out here looking forward to having discussion/studying together to prepare for the cadet selection tests?
Please feel free to find me on telegram @oldenoughtofly talk to you soon!

[aviationzz]

Hey everyone. I just applied to the cadet programme but did not receive a confirmation email. Anyone in the same boat?

Any reply from CX?

[kriskcck]

Applied in late March 2022 with no response whatsoever.

[ecohans]

Hey everyone. I just applied to the cadet programme but did not receive a confirmation email. Anyone in the same boat?
Yup, same here.

[ecohans]

Any news from CX, anyone?

[ProJoystick]

R u guys happy that it part of your training will be deducted from your salary? you'll be living off around $25K monthly, does that not bother you at all?

[whitsunday]

R u guys happy that it part of your training will be deducted from your salary? you'll be living off around $25K monthly, does that not bother you at all?

R u serious? Mind to shed some light on this matter?

[ecohans]

R u guys happy that it part of your training will be deducted from your salary? you'll be living off around $25K monthly, does that not bother you at all?

My main focus right now is to build flight time. And for an airline to hire during a pandemic is still quite rare (at least on my side of the globe). So no, it does not bother me. A job is a job and I'll take it as a win if I get into CX.

[whitsunday]

My main focus right now is to build flight time. And for an airline to hire during a pandemic is still quite rare (at least on my side of the globe). So no, it does not bother me. A job is a job and I'll take it as a win if I get into CX.

You do realize P2X is not recognizable internationally right? And if Omicron second or third or fourth generation makes a come back and the border with the world is closed again, how long will it take to build the hours that you think you will want? By the way, friend of mine graduated from College a little over year ago and has been working at the wealth management sector, he’s making 50K+ pretty every single month, and now he has the money to train wherever he wants. Does he need to rely on Cathay? Nah. He doesn’t.

[kriskcck]

My main focus right now is to build flight time. And for an airline to hire during a pandemic is still quite rare (at least on my side of the globe). So no, it does not bother me. A job is a job and I'll take it as a win if I get into CX.

I share the same thoughts with echons there. May I ask whether you received any selection update from CX? I applied back in late March 2022 with no update so far. My brief background: TT of mid 200 hours with CPL and MECIR. Thanks in advance.

[ChrissyPrezzie]

My main focus right now is to build flight time. And for an airline to hire during a pandemic is still quite rare (at least on my side of the globe). So no, it does not bother me. A job is a job and I'll take it as a win if I get into CX.

And that, is the definition of cheap labor. No wonder why Cathay has screwed everyone over and still gets it's fans. Disgraceful.

[ChrissyPrezzie]

I share the same thoughts with echons there. May I ask whether you received any selection update from CX? I applied back in late March 2022 with no update so far. My brief background: TT of mid 200 hours with CPL and MECIR. Thanks in advance.

I have a few questions for ya

1) Are you a former KA pilot who gets laid off because of company restructure?
2) Is the flight operation back to where it was at pre pandemic level?
4) How many pilots have they recalled back, Including KA pilots and CX SOs?
3) How long does it take to train a zero hour guy to 250 hr?
4) Why are they relaunching cadet training program now? Are they training them for now or for the future?
5) Why should they look at you when there are heaps of SOs sitting at home counting beans? Or working at a second job if not counting beans
6) Are you aware of the market trend?

No offense but if you can’t figure out WHY before asking that question then I think you have proved to the experienced pilots that they are right. The standard couldn’t be more worse than ever.

[Butterflyfish]

CX has such low standards for cadets now.
I know few people only got ICAO 4 but still get into the program.

[Low budget pilot]

CX has such low standards for cadets now.
I know few people only got ICAO 4 but still get into the program.

i can't see any problems. Don't you know the new CE has only finished secondary school and his master winnie the pooh only has primary school level.

[whitsunday]

i can't see any problems. Don't you know the new CE has only finished secondary school and his master winnie the pooh only has primary school level.

At least the new CE and his master both get a translator! Airline Pilots? Nope. Sorry.

[ChrissyPrezzie]

i can't see any problems. Don't you know the new CE has only finished secondary school and his master winnie the pooh only has primary school level.

I think what Butterflyfish is trying to emphasize is the standard, because if you read back some of the stuffs posted years ago, Cathay did prefer their cadets to have at least level 5 or above, even though they didn't put it in writing. So obviously the standard has been declining every year. By the way, pilots aren't politicians. In politics, you get a translator, but in the cockpit, you don't. So you just can't put them side by side.

[unbakedmirrors]

Does age matter? Will CX take a cadet at age 30-40s?

[Jimmyhk88]

Does age matter? Will CX take a cadet at age 30-40s?
I have seen mid 30s cadet. :) dont worry

[Jazzy.pp]

Anyone would like to form a study gp pls add me at tg ~@JPAMANN im still a student but would really like to get started on trying for cadet pilot.

[0sprey]

Was invited in an email by Cathay 2 weeks ago to take the ICAO. The email also contained instructions to "reply to this email within one week" if you are currently living overseas, which I am. Seems simple enough, right?

However, the email address from which they sent the email displays "[email protected]". Was a bit skeptical about whether or not Cathay would be able to receive my reply, so I sent a copy of my reply to "[email protected]" as well.

Radio silence thus far. I know the ICAO is just the very first step of the recruitment process and thus I'm a small fish, but you'd think that a company as big as Cathay would at least send an acknowledgement receipt, provided that they were able to receive my reply with the "careers_no_reply" email address in the first place lol.

Do you think Cathay has received my reply? Has anyone else replied to "careers_no_reply" and gotten a response? Is it normal to wait so long?

Just worried that Cathay may think I am no longer interested in continuing my application, when I very much am.

[undecidedwannabe]

Was invited in an email by Cathay 2 weeks ago to take the ICAO. The email also contained instructions to "reply to this email within one week" if you are currently living overseas, which I am. Seems simple enough, right?

However, the email address from which they sent the email displays "[email protected]". Was a bit skeptical about whether or not Cathay would be able to receive my reply, so I sent a copy of my reply to "[email protected]" as well.

Radio silence thus far. I know the ICAO is just the very first step of the recruitment process and thus I'm a small fish, but you'd think that a company as big as Cathay would at least send an acknowledgement receipt, provided that they were able to receive my reply with the "careers_no_reply" email address in the first place lol.

Do you think Cathay has received my reply? Has anyone else replied to "careers_no_reply" and gotten a response? Is it normal to wait so long?

Just worried that Cathay may think I am no longer interested in continuing my application, when I very much am.

Out of curiosity, how long after your application were you invited to take the ICAO?

[0sprey]

Out of curiosity, how long after your application were you invited to take the ICAO?

I was invited roughly 9 weeks after I sent my application, a week after the 8 week communication deadline. Did you apply as well?

[whitsunday]

Was invited in an email by Cathay 2 weeks ago to take the ICAO. The email also contained instructions to "reply to this email within one week" if you are currently living overseas, which I am. Seems simple enough, right?

However, the email address from which they sent the email displays "[email protected]". Was a bit skeptical about whether or not Cathay would be able to receive my reply, so I sent a copy of my reply to "[email protected]" as well.

Radio silence thus far. I know the ICAO is just the very first step of the recruitment process and thus I'm a small fish, but you'd think that a company as big as Cathay would at least send an acknowledgement receipt, provided that they were able to receive my reply with the "careers_no_reply" email address in the first place lol.

Do you think Cathay has received my reply? Has anyone else replied to "careers_no_reply" and gotten a response? Is it normal to wait so long?

Just worried that Cathay may think I am no longer interested in continuing my application, when I very much am.


They used to include a contact person and a phone number in the invitation, regardless of which stage you are at, and this person would normally be the point of contact. Seems those folks no longer with the company anymore. Maybe they are short of staffs?
Just so you know my cousin wrote them two months ago to enquire about the program, and he is still waiting for a reply. Says it all.

[Zi Peng]

From South China Morning Post:

“HongKong transport companies: CityBus and First Bus report they are not worried about Cathay’s Cadet hiring targets. An unnamed employee in talent management went off the record to say; ‘from what we hear the contract and working conditions at CX are so bad our drivers are in no hurry to earn less, take on debt, or spend weeks locked up for a virus with 0.008% mortality rate. Our drivers can move swiftly up the ranks and upgrade to double decker is running at 6 months, not 6 years’.

Both companies confirmed they will will be warding off any poaching attempts by CX recruiters, if any of them still exist.”

[honggil]

I was invited roughly 9 weeks after I sent my application, a week after the 8 week communication deadline. Did you apply as well?

hey Osprey, I applied years ago but thinking of giving it another shot.

I’m also overseas in Canada and got a few questions
- do they still hold assessments, at least the initial ones, in Vancouver?
- I just read that from you that it seems like they do the ICAO testing first. Has the assessment steps changed from a few years ago?
- I keep reading negative responses from people saying not to join the cadet program. I’m pretty set on getting in myself but is there any truth in what’s out there or is it a case of just eye on the prize and ignoring the noise?
- lastly a comment .. wow this forum thread is pretty dead compared to years ago

thanks

[ChrissyPrezzie]

hey Osprey, I applied years ago but thinking of giving it another shot.

I’m also overseas in Canada and got a few questions
- do they still hold assessments, at least the initial ones, in Vancouver?
- I just read that from you that it seems like they do the ICAO testing first. Has the assessment steps changed from a few years ago?
- I keep reading negative responses from people saying not to join the cadet program. I’m pretty set on getting in myself but is there any truth in what’s out there or is it a case of just eye on the prize and ignoring the noise?
- lastly a comment .. wow this forum thread is pretty dead compared to years ago

thanks

​​​​​​honggil, did you know they have just signed a three years deal with Polytechnic University on Monday on delivering ground school training for the cadets? Did you also know flight planning and group activities have been taken out from the process as well?
Now, if you are smart enough, you would have asked yourself, why is it necessary to split the program into two different locations given that they have had really good work relationship with FTA since 1994?? If the Program still as glamorous as it used to be, why Kelly Crawford, Nicola Bean, Monica Chang have all left the company? Mike Evans has left as well did you know that? Also, did you know the seniority system has gone as well? Did you also know the company can now change all the terms and conditions on the contract at their own discretion at anytime they want? Meaning, if they decide NOT to promote you, or they decide to FIRE you, (like Cathay Dragon), or they decide to CHANGE anything on the contract, they can!
I think you better do a heaps of research before you make your own decision. The cadet program is NOT the same as it was before. The company is NOT the same as it was. Hong Kong is NOT the same as it was before.
If you think you still want to get in AFTER you have all your facts straighten up, GO FOR IT. It's YOUR LIFE, YOUR DECISION.
Good luck.

[jolyeb]

Hi all,

I have just been invited to take an aptitude test for the Cathay Cadet Program and am wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how to study for these. I have seen many online aptitude test packages, I’m assuming this is the best way to go… thoughts?

Also, if anyone has been inducted into the cadet ship and there are some nuances that the do not disclose please feel free to add them on. I’d like to know what I’m potentially getting myself into.

Cheers

[ChrissyPrezzie]

There is a thread title Cadet Pilot Program and it fills with all the good stuff, both past and present, so there isn’t really a need to open another one.

If you want to know what potentially you are getting yourself into, go read other threads under section “Fragrant Harbour” It should give you some good insight about the current climate of the company.

Just so you know the CEO threw out some big numbers recently in terms of headcount, which means it’s much easier to get in the program nowadays than before. Recruiters need to keep up with their KPI as well.

All the best.

[0sprey]

They used to include a contact person and a phone number in the invitation, regardless of which stage you are at, and this person would normally be the point of contact. Seems those folks no longer with the company anymore. Maybe they are short of staffs?
Just so you know my cousin wrote them two months ago to enquire about the program, and he is still waiting for a reply. Says it all.

So I didn't get a contact listed in the email, but I did receive a call about 10 weeks after I applied. It was from someone who worked for Cathay. They encouraged me to return to HK (I was overseas then) to perform the ICAO, which I did. I got a name and email after that call, but it took a lot of time!

[ChrissyPrezzie]

In case if anyone needs to reach out to the HR ladies, here you go.

Elene Cheng
Talent Acquisition Manager Operations
Tel: 2747 8246
[email protected]

Candy Tse
Assistant Manager Talent Acquisition
Tel: 2747 8248
[email protected]

Stephanie Lawton
Head of Flight Crew People Services
[email protected]

Flight Crew Recruitment
[email protected]

[852]

Can any recent DESOs shed light on the application and interview process?

[seb972]

Hey mate! Also got invitaed for Aptitude tests, would u like to give me a feedback?
feel free to send me a message on Whatsapp! :)
+33 (0) 6 46 25 13 70

[alexgomes93]

Hey bud. I'm Alex!! Keen on joining the study group. My whatsapp is +852 54464450.

[pilotyng]

Thank you for the info.
Actually I sent the email to the Flight Crew Recruitment to ask about DESO hiring schedule last week, but haven't been replied yet.
You seem to know many things about the company and hiring process.
Have you heard any piece of information about DESO recruitment like when they start inviting the applicants?
Recently HK has removed the quarantine so I think the company can take some actions for hire eventually.
It would be highly appreciated if you can shed the light.
Thanks.

[mchan22000]

Anyone preparing for 1B?

Just inboxed you!

[richpea]

Hey mate! Also got invitaed for Aptitude tests, would u like to give me a feedback?
feel free to send me a message on Whatsapp! :)
+33 (0) 6 46 25 13 70

What were the aptitude tests like, cut-e style?

[zendezyre]

What were the aptitude tests like, cut-e style?
Yes Cut-e style

[zendezyre]

Did anyone have a final interview recently, do they send a rejection email🤔? or after how long did they send an email(i.e. Medical) for the next stage?

[0sprey]

Anyone here applied on September that has received an invite? How long did it normally take those who have gotten their’s?

Did anyone have a final interview recently, do they send a rejection email🤔? or after how long did they send an email(i.e. Medical) for the next stage?

Hello mateys, think I can help shed some light on both your questions.

Jayberg, I applied in May and was first contacted by Cathay in August, 3 months later; perhaps due to the huge influx of applications?

Zendezyre, I was invited to have my medical roughly a week after I had my final interview.

Here's my personal timeline for reference:

> Initial application: End of May
> ICAO (Invitation): End of August

> Initial Online (Cut-E) Assessment (Invitation): Middle of September
> Initial Online (Cut-E) Assessment (Actual): End of September

> Final Interview (Invitation): End of September
> Final Interview (Actual): Mid October

> Final Medical (Invitation): End of October

[Justintempo]

Hello mateys, think I can help shed some light on both your questions.

Jayberg, I applied in May and was first contacted by Cathay in August, 3 months later; perhaps due to the huge influx of applications?

Zendezyre, I was invited to have my medical roughly a week after I had my final interview.

Here's my personal timeline for reference:

> Initial application: End of May
> ICAO (Invitation): End of August

> Initial Online (Cut-E) Assessment (Invitation): Middle of September
> Initial Online (Cut-E) Assessment (Actual): End of September

> Final Interview (Invitation): End of September
> Final Interview (Actual): Mid October

> Final Medical (Invitation): End of October Thank you for shedding some light on the recruitment process. ​​​​​​I don't know if you are allowed but if possible, could you also share briefly about the format and your experience of the interview?

[0sprey]

Thank you for shedding some light on the recruitment process. ​​​​​​I don't know if you are allowed but if possible, could you also share briefly about the format and your experience of the interview?

For sure mate. Put simply, the interview format was 3 parts:

1:
I was interviewed by one lady from HR and another from FlightOps. HR lady started out with the standard questions i.e. introduce yourself, why do you want to be a pilot, name me one example you showed leadership etc etc. After that was out of the way, HR lady also asked a few more personal questions that they conceived from reading my cover letter, so be prepared to elaborate on things you may have said in yours.
> Questions that they may ask:

What would be the biggest challenge to you personally throughout the programme?
​​​​What ties to aviation do you have?

2:
Then FlightOps lady came in and posed some non-routine scenarios, to which I had to just simply tell them what I would do. I don't think they were trying to test my technical knowledge, but rather sort of get a grasp of what my character is and how I would react in certain situations. I think the only advice I can give here is don't hesitate, and just say what you think is right once you've settled on how you wanna respond. Of course, there were also some basic technical questions that you should be able to answer if you're seriously considering the job.
> Questions that they may ask:

If you were a co-pilot, and the Captain wants to attempt a crosswind landing above the rated limit of an aircraft, what would you do?
What is the standard flight level?

3:
After FlightOps was finished, HR lady came in again and asked some final housekeeping questions like when can you start, do you need financial assistance, etc etc. wrapped up with a Q & A at the end.

The whole interview took around 50 minutes. For me, what helped immensely was just spending a whole weekend preparing for the interview by drafting a list of questions that I thought Cathay would ask, and then developed my corresponding answers so that I could speak from the heart and not from memory. I also slipped in tidbits of relevant information/facts that highlighted certain things about me that I thought would set me apart, which I also reckon helped.

Overall, it was a painless experience because I approached it like a coupla mates talking about something we all share a passion about, rather than a very formal "me" vs. "you". Of course, you should still answer questions seriously, but just be yourself and anyone can do great

[ChrissyPrezzie]

For sure mate. Put simply, the interview format was 3 parts:

1:
I was interviewed by one lady from HR and another from FlightOps. HR lady started out with the standard questions i.e. introduce yourself, why do you want to be a pilot, name me one example you showed leadership etc etc. After that was out of the way, HR lady also asked a few more personal questions that they conceived from reading my cover letter, so be prepared to elaborate on things you may have said in yours.
> Questions that they may ask:

What would be the biggest challenge to you personally throughout the programme?
​​​​What ties to aviation do you have?

2:
Then FlightOps lady came in and posed some non-routine scenarios, to which I had to just simply tell them what I would do. I don't think they were trying to test my technical knowledge, but rather sort of get a grasp of what my character is and how I would react in certain situations. I think the only advice I can give here is don't hesitate, and just say what you think is right once you've settled on how you wanna respond. Of course, there were also some basic technical questions that you should be able to answer if you're seriously considering the job.
> Questions that they may ask:

If you were a co-pilot, and the Captain wants to attempt a crosswind landing above the rated limit of an aircraft, what would you do?
What is the standard flight level?

3:
After FlightOps was finished, HR lady came in again and asked some final housekeeping questions like when can you start, do you need financial assistance, etc etc. wrapped up with a Q & A at the end.

The whole interview took around 50 minutes. For me, what helped immensely was just spending a whole weekend preparing for the interview by drafting a list of questions that I thought Cathay would ask, and then developed my corresponding answers so that I could speak from the heart and not from memory. I also slipped in tidbits of relevant information/facts that highlighted certain things about me that I thought would set me apart, which I also reckon helped.

Overall, it was a painless experience because I approached it like a coupla mates talking about something we all share a passion about, rather than a very formal "me" vs. "you". Of course, you should still answer questions seriously, but just be yourself and anyone can do great

Of course it was a painless experience. It has to be. They had to go easy on you and everybody else just to make up the number. That is recruiting 101. Try to read some of the past posts on this thread, you will be AMAZED how easy it is now than before. Talking about standard? Standard has left the building years ago. #Racingtothebottom

[0sprey]

Of course it was a painless experience. It has to be. They had to go easy on you and everybody else just to make up the number. That is recruiting 101. Try to read some of the past posts on this thread, you will be AMAZED how easy it is now than before. Talking about standard? Standard has left the building years ago. #Racingtothebottom

Then thank god for recruiting 101, eh? ;)

[Justintempo]

For sure mate. Put simply, the interview format was 3 parts:

1:
I was interviewed by one lady from HR and another from FlightOps. HR lady started out with the standard questions i.e. introduce yourself, why do you want to be a pilot, name me one example you showed leadership etc etc. After that was out of the way, HR lady also asked a few more personal questions that they conceived from reading my cover letter, so be prepared to elaborate on things you may have said in yours.
> Questions that they may ask:

What would be the biggest challenge to you personally throughout the programme?
​​​​What ties to aviation do you have?

2:
Then FlightOps lady came in and posed some non-routine scenarios, to which I had to just simply tell them what I would do. I don't think they were trying to test my technical knowledge, but rather sort of get a grasp of what my character is and how I would react in certain situations. I think the only advice I can give here is don't hesitate, and just say what you think is right once you've settled on how you wanna respond. Of course, there were also some basic technical questions that you should be able to answer if you're seriously considering the job.
> Questions that they may ask:

If you were a co-pilot, and the Captain wants to attempt a crosswind landing above the rated limit of an aircraft, what would you do?
What is the standard flight level?

3:
After FlightOps was finished, HR lady came in again and asked some final housekeeping questions like when can you start, do you need financial assistance, etc etc. wrapped up with a Q & A at the end.

The whole interview took around 50 minutes. For me, what helped immensely was just spending a whole weekend preparing for the interview by drafting a list of questions that I thought Cathay would ask, and then developed my corresponding answers so that I could speak from the heart and not from memory. I also slipped in tidbits of relevant information/facts that highlighted certain things about me that I thought would set me apart, which I also reckon helped.

Overall, it was a painless experience because I approached it like a coupla mates talking about something we all share a passion about, rather than a very formal "me" vs. "you". Of course, you should still answer questions seriously, but just be yourself and anyone can do great


Thank you for your input! Good luck 🤞

[whitsunday]

Of course it was a painless experience. It has to be. They had to go easy on you and everybody else just to make up the number. That is recruiting 101. Try to read some of the past posts on this thread, you will be AMAZED how easy it is now than before. Talking about standard? Standard has left the building years ago. #Racingtothebottom

So true!

I remember in my final interview, I was grilled by a Training Captain on B777. Why? Because I picked the 773ER, and he just started firing things at me. 45 minutes. non stop questioning. From basic aerodynamics such as lift weight drag thrust to fuel calculation, TOD calculation, to aviation weather like what is cold front warm front etc, to hydraulic system on B773 and some other things I didn't even know of. He asked me one question, I answered it, he then fired back right away, every time it gets harder and harder, 45 minutes, I chose my words very meticulously while sweating at my back. Few months preparation all out in 45 minutes. Keep in mind I was just a Zero hour guy! It was one hell experience.

Few months after I joined the company, met this chap again, told me he did it on purpose just to test out my limit! That, is what standard means people.

Good old days are gone.

[0sprey]

Based on this thread and what other members have said about their own hiring process, people are right in saying that the hiring standard has gone down.

However, what Cathay wants right now is not what it wanted X years ago... so comparing the standards for two separate problems does nothing but make both teams on the same side upset... the veterans are understandably annoyed that kids these days have it easy... the kids feel disheartened that the veterans don't seem to wanna support their opportunity to become a pilot.

Cathay's desire to train (from scratch) 1,500 mostly local pilots in a place like Hong Kong whose Urban Population has little to no ties to aviation means dramatically widening their scope of acceptability. Of course I don't have the numbers or the data, but that's the feeling I get.

I'm just glad that I have the opportunity in the first place; is that what the veterans are upset about? That the wannabes only got this opportunity because the vets got shafted when covid hit? I'd love to hear your thoughts...

[whitsunday]

Based on this thread and what other members have said about their own hiring process, people are right in saying that the hiring standard has gone down.

However, what Cathay wants right now is not what it wanted X years ago... so comparing the standards for two separate problems does nothing but make both teams on the same side upset... the veterans are understandably annoyed that kids these days have it easy... the kids feel disheartened that the veterans don't seem to wanna support their opportunity to become a pilot.

Cathay's desire to train (from scratch) 1,500 mostly local pilots in a place like Hong Kong whose Urban Population has little to no ties to aviation means dramatically widening their scope of acceptability. Of course I don't have the numbers or the data, but that's the feeling I get.

I'm just glad that I have the opportunity in the first place; is that what the veterans are upset about? That the wannabes only got this opportunity because the vets got shafted when covid hit? I'd love to hear your thoughts...

"Cathay wants right now is not what it wanted X years ago"

I tell you what Cathay wants right now. Cathay wants to recruit as many pilots as they can to replace the ones that have left, in the expanse of quality, because once the HK Government drops 0+3, they won't have the capacity to meet the demands, based on the current headcounts. If it wasn't those experienced pilots who have left the door, they WILL NOT relaunch the cadet scheme at this time. They could have easily called back the guys they fired years ago. Keep in mind, there are still loads of Second Officers sitting at home counting beans. SCMP/The Standard has even done a report on that.

So you are damn right. Before, they didn't have this problem, because those guys were still flying. No need to mess around their cadets. But now, they can't. Number 1, people are leaving at a historical rate. Number 2, foreigner pilots have no interest in coming to HK based on COS18/COS21. The only way to go around this is to lower the standard so that more people can get through the door in a short amount of time. And that's what we or the veterans have a problem with.

Just because you are giving someone opportunity does not mean you have to lower the standard. You can keep hiring people while maintaining the standard.
If not then everyone can get into Harvard or Oxford or Yales right?

Ridiculous.

[0sprey]

"Cathay wants right now is not what it wanted X years ago"

I tell you what Cathay wants right now. Cathay wants to recruit as many pilots as they can to replace the ones that have left, in the expanse of quality, because once the HK Government drops 0+3, they won't have the capacity to meet the demands, based on the current headcounts. If it wasn't those experienced pilots who have left the door, they WILL NOT relaunch the cadet scheme at this time. They could have easily called back the guys they fired years ago. Keep in mind, there are still loads of Second Officers sitting at home counting beans. SCMP/The Standard has even done a report on that.

So you are damn right. Before, they didn't have this problem, because those guys were still flying. No need to mess around their cadets. But now, they can't. Number 1, people are leaving at a historical rate. Number 2, foreigner pilots have no interest in coming to HK based on COS18/COS21. The only way to go around this is to lower the standard so that more people can get through the door in a short amount of time. And that's what we or the veterans have a problem with.

Just because you are giving someone opportunity does not mean you have to lower the standard. You can keep hiring people while maintaining the standard.
If not then everyone can get into Harvard or Oxford or Yales right?

Ridiculous.

Thank you for sharing mate. It's very interesting to hear what the vets have to say.

I just want to understand your position a bit more. In other words, the vets have hard feelings against both Cathay and the new guys because they feel like Cathay not only swept their legs out from underneath them with COS18/COS21, but also chopped their heads off while they were at it by electing to hire 1000 clowns to fly planes instead of rehiring from the currently existing pool of qualified pilots.

Furthermore, the vets also feel a sense of animosity towards the new guys, because not only are they willing to take a dog**** contract, thus proving to Cathay that they can away with cheap labour and 0 loyalty, but also that the new guys are diluting the skill/image/renown etc. etc. within the industry because they were not selected with the same rigour that they were.

Is this where you stand?

[whitsunday]

Some people think Liz Truss has done an amazing job even though her prime ministership only lasted for 45 days, while some people think that she was a disaster, that she is the only reason that brought so much trouble to British currency and the financial market. I would want to work with someone that is competent from day one, such as Tony Blair whose prime ministership lasted for 10 years. That is my stand.

FYI - I was born and bred in Hong Kong, went to an international school then a local university for college, so I completely understand the local culture and their mentality. Me and my friends in my batch went through a rigorous selection process which includes flight grading which is no longer part of the selection now, and were chosen to be placed on the program. None of us was ICAO level 4. That is the standard which we were so proud of. Comparing now, all I can say is, we are so glad we do not need to deal with such substandard pilots now.

Good luck with your ground school training at Poly Tech University, assuming if you made it.

Three years deal with Polytechic University, that says it all. Btw, if it was such a good idea, how come they have waited it for so long to push through? Hmmm....

[ChrissyPrezzie]

One of my client’s son received an offer from Cathay. just few days ago. He told me the whole interviewing process was a joke. They did not even attempt to ask him a single question that is plane related. It was all about his work experiences, his personalities, and some basic HR type question. That’s it. And now he has an offer on the table. I was like, you’ve gotta be kidding me!

[Hardrod]

As promised. Here are most of the questions I was asked, unfortunately I don't remember everything they asked as there was too much. The numbers in the calculation questions were also made up, for the same reason, but you should get the big picture. Hope this helps, and feel free to make comments or ask more questions. I will answer if I can. For reference, I am a PPL holder with single-engine piston time only, all VFR.

Stage 2 Personal
1.Tell us how your life has been recently.
2.What tasks does your present job involve?
3.Why did you choose to study in Australia?
4.What made you choose your degree?
5.Why didn’t you do incorporate your flying with your degree?
6.How did you become interested in becoming a pilot?
7.Give me three reasons why you want to be a pilot.
8.What did you do during your airline internship?
9.When did you start flying?
10.Where did you do your flying?
11.How did you choose your flying school?
12.You only went solo after x hours. Why is that? What is the average nowadays, as you know it?
13.What does a Second Officer do?
14.If given a choice of fleet upon graduation, which fleet would you like to join? Why?
15.Tell me about FTA.
16.How many hours will you have when you graduate from cadet training?
17.If you turn up for a flight one day, and you smell alcohol in the captain’s breath, what do you do?
18.If your flight plan indicates a climb into an altitude where significant turbulence has been reported, and the commander wants to continue with the plan, what do you do?
19.If Cathay does not accept you this time, what will you do?
20.Did you apply for Dragonair? Which stage did you fail, and what part of that stage made you fail?
21.Why don’t you want to take up a cadetship with the airline you did your internship with?
22.If Cathay will never accept you, would you be willing to fly with an Australian airline?

Stage 2 Technical
1.What is fly-by-wire?
2.How does fly-by-wire operate?
3.Why do you prefer the B777 over the Airbus?
4.What differences are there between Boeings and Airbuses, in terms of setting engine thrust?
5.What is FLEX thrust, why do we use it?
6.What is the principle behind FLEX thrust?
7.How do we determine the temperature behind setting FLEX thrust?
8.What are the factors that would determine how much thrust we use on take-off?
9.What are the differences between a derated take-off and a FLEX take-off?
10.What is VMCG?
11.What is VMCA?
12.What is V1?
13.What is V2?
14.List these four speeds in correct order.
15.Why does an Airbus have trim tanks?
16.What are the differences between the leading edge and trailing edge high-lift devices?
17.Why do we need flaps? What do they do?
18.Draw me a schematic of a hydraulic system.
19.How does an Airbus stop upon landing?
20.Does the nosewheel have brakes?
21.How does an anti-skid braking system work?
22.If we are at 3000’ and the QNH is 990, what is the pressure altitude?
23.If we are flying at 540kt at FL360 with 100nm to go before waypoint A, and we need to reach FL390 by waypoint A, and our climb rate is 1000fpm, when is the latest before waypoint A that we need to start our climb?
24.Given our answer in the previous question, do we immediately climb after receiving instructions from ATC or do we wait until 27nm before waypoint A before commencing climb? Why?
25.Provide reciprocal headings for a series of given headings.
26.If our heading is 360 and there is a wind blowing from 090, can we expect to arrive at our next waypoint at the same time, or at a different time?
27.How many degrees of bank do you fly when you do a steep turn?
28.How many G’s do you pull when you do a 60 degree steep turn?
29.What is load factor?
30.What is the load factor in a 45 degree AOB turn?
31. (Points to winglets) What are these and how do they work?

Stage 3 Personal
1.Tell us about your job.
2.What do you like to do in your spare time?
3.How often do you swim?
4.How did university foundation year assist your study in university?
5.Tell me what you know about Cathay Pacific.
6.Name a major shareholder in our company.
7.In what other airlines does this shareholder also have a stake in?
8.Which aircraft did Cathay just place an order for? How many?
9.What types of variants does Airbus offer for the A350?
10.What are the differences between these variants?
11. Give me three reasons why you became interested in the aviation industry.
12. How did you hear about the cadet pilot program?
13. Do you know anyone who is currently or was a Cathay cadet? Who and how did you know him/her?

Stage 3 Technical
1.Which aircraft did you fly?
2.Tell me about the engine on your aircraft.
3.Tell me about the fuel system on your aircraft.
4.(Points to a model on the table) Can you tell me what aircraft this is?
5.How can you tell a B777 from an A330 purely from visual cues?
6.Tell me about the differences in the wing designs of the B777 and an A330.
7.During high speed flight, are the ailerons used or locked in?
8.Why does the Airbus have trim tanks?
9.What engines does the B777-300ER have?
10.What does the -115 on the engine name mean?
11.If we are flying at FL330 and we need to descend to FL260, with a GS of 480kts and descent rate of 500fpm, how long will our descent take? How far will we fly during the descent?

This, was what the final interview used to be. Anyone who does not have the time to read, check this out. You will amazed how low the bar is today. Enjoy.

Post quoted from user "holdmetight"

[Rithfung]

Standard is lower yes, but the EASA exam and flight training is still real and passing standard doesn't change. I see this as a chance for those with less privilage to have a go.

By the way can anyone share some experience of the video interview during cut-e test? I wonder is there any different with the old days?

[whitsunday]

Standard is lower yes, but the EASA exam and flight training is still real and passing standard doesn't change. I see this as a chance for those with less privilage to have a go.

By the way can anyone share some experience of the video interview during cut-e test? I wonder is there any different with the old days?

Ahhahahahha. I need a good laugh on this.
So what you are saying is, it is Okay for Harvard and Stanford and all other elite schools to lower the bar of entry in order to give the under privilege people a chance, but to keep the exam as hard as it should be. Is this your defense? Is this your mentality?
I would be absolutely worrying if you did make it to the program.

[flying_melon]

Ahhahahahha. I need a good laugh on this.
So what you are saying is, it is Okay for Harvard and Stanford and all other elite schools to lower the bar of entry in order to give the under privilege people a chance, but to keep the exam as hard as it should be. Is this your defense? Is this your mentality?
I would be absolutely worrying if you did make it to the program.

What's the obsession with perceived prestige? What is your mentality? Are you afraid people are going to think less of you and your time at Cathay because the cadet selection process is not as rigorous as it used to be? I get it. Your interviews were tougher. You jumped through more hoops to earn your spot. You were the great chosen one. Congrats! You can pat yourself on the back every morning to remind yourself how special you are, which I have no doubt you are already doing. But with that out of the way, let's give the less special ones a chance to prove themselves. If they are as awful as you claim, they wouldn't pass their exams, wouldn't get their licenses, and wouldn't be flying any planes. As much as I agree Cathay is a ****ty employer, they have a lot more to lose if an unqualified pilot caused an accident than you. So something tells me actual pilots are being held to the same high standards as before, but more cadets are being given the chance to prove their worth. Thank goodness cadets aren't flying their planes, eh?

Using Harvard and Stanford as examples is also absurd. Just because someone went to an "elite" school doesn't mean they are more capable than someone who didn't. Similarly, just because someone was offered a role at Cathay prior to this supposed decrease in standards doesn't mean they are more capable than someone who was offered a role recently.

While most students in elite schools worked very hard to get in, most of them also came from extreme privileges that gave them ample opportunities to succeed. I know quite a few of these people personally.
Some of my high school classmates who were at the top of the class were rejected from these schools despite having similar stats as those who were admitted because schools like Harvard simply cannot admit every single qualified student. Hence, admissions often come down to luck and other non-academic factors.
What's taught at Harvard is not all that different from what's taught at nearby Boston University or UMass Amherst. Harvard just has the better brand name and connections, which has very little to do with the ability of its graduates.
People are more than the name of their school and employer.

There's enough Cathay bashing (which they deserve) in this forum. So when someone interested in becoming a Cathay cadet asks for advice, either be helpful or be quiet. There's no need to repeat what's already been said a thousand times. If they are still interested after reading this forum, they don't care - and neither should you since you've clearly moved on to greener pastures. Good for you, but many locals don't have the same opportunities as you. Stop looking back and move on.

[0sprey]

I'd like to join a few discussion groups for the cadet program, PM me if you can add me :)

[whitsunday]

What's the obsession with perceived prestige? What is your mentality? Are you afraid people are going to think less of you and your time at Cathay because the cadet selection process is not as rigorous as it used to be? I get it. Your interviews were tougher. You jumped through more hoops to earn your spot. You were the great chosen one. Congrats! You can pat yourself on the back every morning to remind yourself how special you are, which I have no doubt you are already doing. But with that out of the way, let's give the less special ones a chance to prove themselves. If they are as awful as you claim, they wouldn't pass their exams, wouldn't get their licenses, and wouldn't be flying any planes. As much as I agree Cathay is a ****ty employer, they have a lot more to lose if an unqualified pilot caused an accident than you. So something tells me actual pilots are being held to the same high standards as before, but more cadets are being given the chance to prove their worth. Thank goodness cadets aren't flying their planes, eh?

Using Harvard and Stanford as examples is also absurd. Just because someone went to an "elite" school doesn't mean they are more capable than someone who didn't. Similarly, just because someone was offered a role at Cathay prior to this supposed decrease in standards doesn't mean they are more capable than someone who was offered a role recently.

While most students in elite schools worked very hard to get in, most of them also came from extreme privileges that gave them ample opportunities to succeed. I know quite a few of these people personally.
Some of my high school classmates who were at the top of the class were rejected from these schools despite having similar stats as those who were admitted because schools like Harvard simply cannot admit every single qualified student. Hence, admissions often come down to luck and other non-academic factors.
What's taught at Harvard is not all that different from what's taught at nearby Boston University or UMass Amherst. Harvard just has the better brand name and connections, which has very little to do with the ability of its graduates.
People are more than the name of their school and employer.

There's enough Cathay bashing (which they deserve) in this forum. So when someone interested in becoming a Cathay cadet asks for advice, either be helpful or be quiet. There's no need to repeat what's already been said a thousand times. If they are still interested after reading this forum, they don't care - and neither should you since you've clearly moved on to greener pastures. Good for you, but many locals don't have the same opportunities as you. Stop looking back and move on.

I love this. So if we go by your logic, companies should fire their Talent Acquisition department and let everybody comes in regardless of their skill sets, experiences and most importantly their interpersonal skills, as long as they have a college degree meaning they have the ability to pass exams and memorize things from a text book right? Because to your point, we need to give those less special ones to prove themselves right? For many good companies out there, reputable companies out there, they can forget about finding the best talent, because to your point, they should just open the door wide, no need to choose the good ones from the bad ones, and hoping those who got through the door will turn out to be Okay, right?

Have you actually compared the previous process with the current one? Did you know, every assessment we went through in the previous process was designed to assess a specific skill set? Think about that, if somebody knows how to pass an exam but sucks at communication, cannot covey his or her ideas through English, not being able to work as a team, how good this pilot can be? Remember. Soft skills are just as important as Hard skills. I agree with you. Just because somebody managed to get through the door doesn't mean he or she will excel at the job, likewise, just because somebody has a bachelor degree, a master degree and a phd doesn't mean he or she will be a good pilot. There are many variables that will change the outcome. But at least the standard could filter out the bad ones at the early stage.

I use Harvard and Stanford as an example because people know them and they can easily relate to them when it comes to the standard, but you have completely taken it out of context. I should have just used Parkenshop choosing apples and oranges and lemons etc etc instead.

The CX Cadetship is a fantastic opportunity for the locals to step foot across the door, no question about it, I certainly benefited from it myself, so you cannot really say they weren't giving less specifical ones a chance. It's just the less special ones were not strong enough to compete with other strong candidates at that time. (Source from previous recruiting managers) If you think what they are doing now is giving more chance to people, how come they didn't do it 10 years ago or 5 years ago? Why have they waited for so long? If CX is not getting desperate, do you think they would be still doing what they are doing now to the program?

Common sense.

[flying_melon]

I love this. So if we go by your logic, companies should fire their Talent Acquisition department and let everybody comes in regardless of their skill sets, experiences and most importantly their interpersonal skills, as long as they have a college degree meaning they have the ability to pass exams and memorize things from a text book right? Because to your point, we need to give those less special ones to prove themselves right? For many good companies out there, reputable companies out there, they can forget about finding the best talent, because to your point, they should just open the door wide, no need to choose the good ones from the bad ones, and hoping those who got through the door will turn out to be Okay, right?

Have you actually compared the previous process with the current one? Did you know, every assessment we went through in the previous process was designed to assess a specific skill set? Think about that, if somebody knows how to pass an exam but sucks at communication, cannot covey his or her ideas through English, not being able to work as a team, how good this pilot can be? Remember. Soft skills are just as important as Hard skills. I agree with you. Just because somebody managed to get through the door doesn't mean he or she will excel at the job, likewise, just because somebody has a bachelor degree, a master degree and a phd doesn't mean he or she will be a good pilot. There are many variables that will change the outcome. But at least the standard could filter out the bad ones at the early stage.
That's not at all what I said. Being accepted into the cadet program is NOT the same as being offered a full-time role as a pilot. If accepted, cadets still need to go through ground school and flight training. And I'm sure the instructors will realize sooner or later if someone lacked the necessary communication or language skills to succeed as a pilot. ICAO English assessment is also required prior to being interviewed. It's not like they are accepting illiterate people into the program, are they? Seems like instead of accepting only the top 1% of all applicants, they are expanding the program and accepting the top 5% or perhaps even the top 10% of applicants. I think that's part of the reason why they partnered with PolyU to offer ground school locally - so they can increase the capacity of their classes and eliminate subpar cadets before spending big money to train them in Adelaide. And, of course, to reduce training costs in general like all corporations concerned about their bottom line. I have no doubt the standards have been lowered, but let's not pretend they are hiring random, incompetent people to fly their planes. Being accepted into the cadet program is more akin to being offered an internship as a college student with no work experience. If you suck as an intern, you won't get a full-time offer. If you suck as a cadet, you will be cut. Perhaps it's not the ideal way to recruit in your view, but it is what it is.


I use Harvard and Stanford as an example because people know them and they can easily relate to them when it comes to the standard, but you have completely taken it out of context. I should have just used Parkenshop choosing apples and oranges and lemons etc etc instead.
I don't think I took it out of context. You implied prestige = competence. Harder to get in = better. A Harvard graduate = a better employee. Please correct me if I misunderstood. And by the way, schools like Harvard already do lower their standard in test scores for underprivileged students. It's called affirmative action. (Or if daddy donated a building.) The goal is to look beyond the numbers and take an applicant's soft skills, passion, and background into consideration. The ability to pass exams and memorize things from a textbook is not everything. You said it yourself.


The CX Cadetship is a fantastic opportunity for the locals to step foot across the door, no question about it, I certainly benefited from it myself, so you cannot really say they weren't giving less specifical ones a chance. It's just the less special ones were not strong enough to compete with other strong candidates at that time. (Source from previous recruiting managers) If you think what they are doing now is giving more chance to people, how come they didn't do it 10 years ago or 5 years ago? Why have they waited for so long? If CX is not getting desperate, do you think they would be still doing what they are doing now to the program?
Common sense.
Like I said, they are expanding the program, which means they need more bodies. Since their pool of candidates in HK hasn't increased (one could even argue the pool has shrunk...), their standards naturally decreased. The question is by how much? Some people here are implying any random moron on the streets of HK can be accepted, which just isn't the case. There are only so many applicants in the top 1%. If they want to double the number of cadets, they have to accept applicants in the top 2%. So on and so forth. Are applicants in the top 2% or 5% really that awful? At the end of the day, being an airline pilot is just a job. You don't necessarily have to be the absolute cream of the crop, one in a million, and Capt. Sully's "Miracle on the Hudson" kind of applicant to be a safe and competent pilot. There are plenty of competent aspiring pilots out there.

And no, I am not naive enough to think a corporation is doing this out of the goodness of its heart. I know they are motivated by profit, stock prices, and executive bonuses. We all know foreign pilots at Cathay cost them an arm and a leg. Since 1,000+ have left due to ludicrous pandemic restrictions courtesy of the brilliant HK/Beijing government and worsening compensations/ work environment in the past few years, Cathay sees this as a rare opportunity to replace them with cheaper local pilots in the future. And when they are barely flying at their pre-pandemic level, they have most of the bargaining power in terms of compensation. At least for now.

I have no doubt many experienced foreign captains and first officers at Cathay feel betrayed and see little reasons to stay, but their circumstances are not the same as local HKers looking to get a foot in the door. Believe it or not, the current deal is still attractive to many locals even as a stepping stone, assuming the situation doesn't improve in the next few years.

As long as people understand what this program is and what it isn't, it's nowhere near as terrible as many veterans make it out to be.

[whitsunday]

That's not at all what I said. Being accepted into the cadet program is NOT the same as being offered a full-time role as a pilot. If accepted, cadets still need to go through ground school and flight training. And I'm sure the instructors will realize sooner or later if someone lacked the necessary communication or language skills to succeed as a pilot. ICAO English assessment is also required prior to being interviewed. It's not like they are accepting illiterate people into the program, are they? Seems like instead of accepting only the top 1% of all applicants, they are expanding the program and accepting the top 5% or perhaps even the top 10% of applicants. I think that's part of the reason why they partnered with PolyU to offer ground school locally - so they can increase the capacity of their classes and eliminate subpar cadets before spending big money to train them in Adelaide. And, of course, to reduce training costs in general like all corporations concerned about their bottom line. I have no doubt the standards have been lowered, but let's not pretend they are hiring random, incompetent people to fly their planes. Being accepted into the cadet program is more akin to being offered an internship as a college student with no work experience. If you suck as an intern, you won't get a full-time offer. If you suck as a cadet, you will be cut. Perhaps it's not the ideal way to recruit in your view, but it is what it is.


I don't think I took it out of context. You implied prestige = competence. Harder to get in = better. A Harvard graduate = a better employee. Please correct me if I misunderstood. And by the way, schools like Harvard already do lower their standard in test scores for underprivileged students. It's called affirmative action. (Or if daddy donated a building.) The goal is to look beyond the numbers and take an applicant's soft skills, passion, and background into consideration. The ability to pass exams and memorize things from a textbook is not everything. You said it yourself.


Like I said, they are expanding the program, which means they need more bodies. Since their pool of candidates in HK hasn't increased (one could even argue the pool has shrunk...), their standards naturally decreased. The question is by how much? Some people here are implying any random moron on the streets of HK can be accepted, which just isn't the case. There are only so many applicants in the top 1%. If they want to double the number of cadets, they have to accept applicants in the top 2%. So on and so forth. Are applicants in the top 2% or 5% really that awful? At the end of the day, being an airline pilot is just a job. You don't necessarily have to be the absolute cream of the crop, one in a million, and Capt. Sully's "Miracle on the Hudson" kind of applicant to be a safe and competent pilot. There are plenty of competent aspiring pilots out there.

And no, I am not naive enough to think a corporation is doing this out of the goodness of its heart. I know they are motivated by profit, stock prices, and executive bonuses. We all know foreign pilots at Cathay cost them an arm and a leg. Since 1,000+ have left due to ludicrous pandemic restrictions courtesy of the brilliant HK/Beijing government and worsening compensations/ work environment in the past few years, Cathay sees this as a rare opportunity to replace them with cheaper local pilots in the future. And when they are barely flying at their pre-pandemic level, they have most of the bargaining power in terms of compensation. At least for now.

I have no doubt many experienced foreign captains and first officers at Cathay feel betrayed and see little reasons to stay, but their circumstances are not the same as local HKers looking to get a foot in the door. Believe it or not, the current deal is still attractive to many locals even as a stepping stone, assuming the situation doesn't improve in the next few years.

As long as people understand what this program is and what it isn't, it's nowhere near as terrible as many veterans make it out to be.
There is a difference between giving somebody a chance and giving somebody a chance because we need them because we run out of people and we don't have any choice, which makes them a second or third choice on the list. Thank you for stating that in your last response. It's like dating with girls, well, this beautiful pretty one rejected me, I'm just gonna go with that not so pretty one and bang her hard. It's okay. Can make stuffs in my mind and I will be still fine. She might not know my intention because she is too busy sucking my cock. But the truth is, she's just a tool to me and I'm actually using her to get it off.

To CX leadership, pilots are just tools to make money, not an asset. Everything they are doing, or they have been doing are only in favor of them. I bet they realized they just need bodies to babysit for the autopilot so there isn't really a need to talk about standard. You want to leave? Sure. Pay back the money first. Besides, where can you go with P2X rating? Good luck with that.

Looking at now, I can only say that I am so blessed to have the opportunity to fly with and to be taught by many top aviators at Cathay. It was really tough, really competitive, but because of that, it makes us better, make us strong. I absolutely feel sorry to the guys and gals who are joining now, the good and the bad ones mixing up together, those are the ones they are goanna be flying with in the future.



'We are looking for future captains - people who will lead confidently, think logically, communicate effectively, and act calmly,' says Kelly Crawford, Cathay Pacific's flight crew recruitment manager. 'Our selection process assesses the applicants' discipline, determination and motivation as well as their interpersonal, problem-solving and team-building skills. We also assess academic competencies, technical aptitude and compatibility with our strong company culture,' she says. 'We want officers who are not only outstanding individually, but who also bring out the best in everybody they fly with. Most of all, we are looking for people who are passionate about flying. Applicants must be able to show us they are enthusiastic about aviation,' Crawford says, adding that the company supports diversity, having hired pilots from 32 countries.
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Source from https://www.scmp.com/article/1003965/female-pilots-top-cathay-pacific
Kelly Crawford, Flight Crew Recruitment Manager, 08/2003 - 06/2018

Guess they are no longer looking for future captains.

[flying_melon]

There is a difference between giving somebody a chance and giving somebody a chance because we need them because we run out of people and we don't have any choice, which makes them a second or third choice on the list. Thank you for stating that in your last response. It's like dating with girls, well, this beautiful pretty one rejected me, I'm just gonna go with that not so pretty one and bang her hard. It's okay. Can make stuffs in my mind and I will be still fine. She might not know my intention because she is too busy sucking my cock. But the truth is, she's just a tool to me and I'm actually using her to get it off.
In fairness, this is true in nearly all professions. On one hand, employers look for people (aka tools) to make them more money. On the other hand, employees often work for ****ty companies in exchange for money and/or future opportunities. Everyone says they love aviation, but how many people would be in this profession if it paid minimum wage? Would you? Can you honestly say your current employer sees you as anything more than a tool to make them more money? If a long-term drop in demand makes you redundant, you will still be cut no matter what an asset the recruitment manger said you were. You are special and useful until you aren't. There are better and worse employers out there, but you would be a fool to think any corporation really sees you as "family" as they like to claim. Cathay is, of course, no different.

Guess they are no longer looking for future captains.
Hmm... yes and no. They are still investing in cadets and to maximize return, they would want their cadets to stay for as long as possible. After all, it'll be cheaper than hiring foreign pilots and retraining them. That said, it's not like cadets are going to become captains anytime soon, so it's fair to say their approach is more like "wait-and-see" depending on how this 3-year deal with PolyU turns out and whether Hong Kong will return to its former status as an aviation hub.

[whitsunday]

In fairness, this is true in nearly all professions. On one hand, employers look for people (aka tools) to make them more money. On the other hand, employees often work for ****ty companies in exchange for money and/or future opportunities. Everyone says they love aviation, but how many people would be in this profession if it paid minimum wage? Would you? Can you honestly say your current employer sees you as anything more than a tool to make them more money? If a long-term drop in demand makes you redundant, you will still be cut no matter what an asset the recruitment manger said you were. You are special and useful until you aren't. There are better and worse employers out there, but you would be a fool to think any corporation really sees you as "family" as they like to claim. Cathay is, of course, no different.


Hmm... yes and no. They are still investing in cadets and to maximize return, they would want their cadets to stay for as long as possible. After all, it'll be cheaper than hiring foreign pilots and retraining them. That said, it's not like cadets are going to become captains anytime soon, so it's fair to say their approach is more like "wait-and-see" depending on how this 3-year deal with PolyU turns out and whether Hong Kong will return to its former status as an aviation hub.

I'm afraid you are wrong. There are many good companies out there who do not treat their employees the way CX did. Of course companies would want to hire the smart ones and use them to make money, that is completely normal, but what they also do is, they'll recognize the hard working individual, and they reward them with high and attractive salary package plus bonuses, while promoting healthy, ethical and "we listen" work culture, so that everyone can feel it as soon as they walk through the doors. I don't know much about you but I am certainly working for one, and I have plenty of friends who are in or out of the industry have the same experience as I do. So you cannot say nearly all professions.

But, Is that what we are seeing at Cathay? Hell No! First, they pushed through COS18, which is such a humiliation for all pilots across the board, (given how much effort and time they have invested in), then they folded Cathay Dragon without any signs, and now rehired them back in much lower salary package. 17 years Captain, one email, gone! Now, the experienced chaps have had enough of this, one by one, walking out of the door, and some genius at the management says, you know what, there is a huge demand in the local market, let's screw them, let's take advantage of them. Afterall they are desperate, they are hungry, and they don't care much about what we do with the contract, with the standard, with upgrade time so on and forth, they will still keep knocking on the door. Don't hire the smart noisy one, hire the foolish, obedient one, often the quiet one, because they dare to say a thing. Still too expensive to train them? Let's take away their allowance for three years, so each of the individual has to contribute half of the fees. Never had I needed to contribute anything during my time at CX, except for the bond! That's the company has gone down to.

I tell you what, if each of one of them could hold back and say No and stop giving more oxygen to Cathay, CX will eventually have no choice but to be forced to improve the conditions, to improve the standard. They will finally wake up and realize..Nonononono. We can't screw them anymore. ​​​​​As I have been telling the younger guys, CX cadetship program is just one of the ways. With countries relaxing their immigration policy, one could easily take an advantage of it and build a successful flying career outside of the fragrant harbor. Yes it can be done and I have seen it in my eyes. Question is, are you willing to do the hard work.

[ChrissyPrezzie]

It's really funny to see how FM responded on the current selection process, and you can't help but start wondering if FM is one of the management guys, coz his view is pretty much in line with CX leadership. Yes, by spreading the net you will get as many fishes as you want in a short period of time, but at the same time, you are dividing your soldiers as well. Guys in the previous system will always look down on the ones that come after them, and guys who joined the workforce now will always feel being looked down by the ones in higher rank. Whitsunday is a great example as he is a local. The workforce has been so divided for years between expats and locals. What CX should do as a leader is to unite their soldiers as one voice, instead they are using some cheeky tactics to screw them. Idiots. This will fire back. Mark my words.

[chloe123]

Hi there,

I just receive an email asking me to do the ICAO English test. I saw the criteria that it needs to be Level 4 for the standards. Anyone out there who did not have a score of 4 but still get to another stage? Any one did the computer test? What is it about and can it be prepare?

[whitsunday]

Hi there,

I just receive an email asking me to do the ICAO English test. I saw the criteria that it needs to be Level 4 for the standards. Anyone out there who did not have a score of 4 but still get to another stage? Any one did the computer test? What is it about and can it be prepare?

Flying_melon - That’s your top 2 or 5 percent people if chloe123 made it. Proven my point.

[Rithfung]

Flying_melon - That’s your top 2 or 5 percent people if chloe123 made it. Proven my point.
OH MY GOD I thought this is wannabes forum, not wannabes gatekeeping/criticizing forum.

Chloe just ask a simple question, you either answer her and let her know why 4 is basic requirment, or keep you opinion to your self, but I guess it's a bit hard for you isn't it?

And for the record I have my ICAO level 5 at 2019, and I studied for 6 years for the interview and even got into final interview pre-covid, however I don't have tons of money to put me throught flight school for 20 hrs. nor I can abandon my parents and go to flight school somewhere else, yet I still got and hour on trial flight, did a ground school GFPT done, am I among those sub-standard to you? Because I don't have connection and/or money?

When I said perviously less privilege one I mean EXACTLY this. You don't know what other people go throught, so please don't judge other people too early and harshly.

Also Chloe, ICAO 4 is basic minimum for ATPL (Airline Transport Pilot Licence), so I don't think less then 3 gonna cut it. Beside english is international flight language mean your life depends on it when you are in the air, so maybe try to improve your english before consider further.

[Rithfung]

Hi there,

I just receive an email asking me to do the ICAO English test. I saw the criteria that it needs to be Level 4 for the standards. Anyone out there who did not have a score of 4 but still get to another stage? Any one did the computer test? What is it about and can it be prepare?
Search "Pilotest"
It isn't an excat copy of the test, but it include most cut-e in cathay, only numeracy isn't the same. However I do advice you look for more informations about the interview process, as this show your passion.

There are many information in the net, if you seriously considering this path, do some more research first, last time they ask me the bypassing ratio of CX fleet, while I am a 1 hr flying time candidate ^^".

[whitsunday]

OH MY GOD I thought this is wannabes forum, not wannabes gatekeeping/criticizing forum.

Chloe just ask a simple question, you either answer her and let her know why 4 is basic requirment, or keep you opinion to your self, but I guess it's a bit hard for you isn't it? There is no rule here that says when a member raised a question, other members have to either respond or contribute to that question. There is also no specific rule that says a member cannot inject his or her opinion after a question being raised. This is an open forum, not a court hearing. Each member is entitled to his or her opinion and other members can decide whether or not they want to respond and carry on with the discussion, as long as the comment does not violate the terms set by Moderators. Your comment like this shows nothing but a lack of maturity and a common sense. Your view about free speech can't stop me wondering whether you are in line with CCP, as other people might say, "Blue"

Since you think I was criticizing on a specific member in my previous post which I did not, I was purely directing my message to flying_melony as we were discussing on issue that relates to the current standard and tactics, now I can say this. As a job seeker, you are supposed to read carefully on the job advertisement and pay careful attention on the requirement. That's your job. On the Job Advertisement under the requirement section, it says and I quote "Achieve ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) English Language Proficiency level 4 or above". The key words, "level 4 OR ABOVE". Plain and simple. Okay. Let's say you are lazy, you didn't read anything on a JD. There is a free dictionary on your computer and in your palm where you can access 24/7. People use it to buy things, shop for clothes, book hotels, find their next vacation spots so on and so forth. Even my 68-year-old granny knows how to use google search. So don’t give me baloney. The fact that this member chose to come here without researching tells me how serious this person is to the job, and quite frankly, with this kind of spoon-fed attitude, he or she has no place in the cockpit, let alone about succeeding in life.
And for the record I have my ICAO level 5 at 2019, and I studied for 6 years for the interview and even got into final interview pre-covid, however I don't have tons of money to put me throught flight school for 20 hrs. nor I can abandon my parents and go to flight school somewhere else, yet I still got and hour on trial flight, did a ground school GFPT done, am I among those sub-standard to you? Because I don't have connection and/or money?

When I said perviously less privilege one I mean EXACTLY this. You don't know what other people go throught, so please don't judge other people too early and harshly.

You have completely misinterpreted my posts. I was questioning on the selection process hence the standard, nothing more.


Also Chloe, ICAO 4 is basic minimum for ATPL (Airline Transport Pilot Licence), so I don't think less then 3 gonna cut it. Beside english is international flight language mean your life depends on it when you are in the air, so maybe try to improve your english before consider further.

Based on your statement, folks who have no interest in getting ATPL do not need to be certified ICAO 4 is that what you are saying? And you have gone to a flight school? Please get your fact straight if you want to help.

[Carlos Pang]

Flying_melon - That’s your top 2 or 5 percent people if chloe123 made it. Proven my point.
I think it's unfair to for Whitsunday to judge Chloe simply based on her one question.
I only hope whitsunday is much nicer in person than he is behind keyboard.

[flying_melon]

It's really funny to see how FM responded on the current selection process, and you can't help but start wondering if FM is one of the management guys, coz his view is pretty much in line with CX leadership. Yes, by spreading the net you will get as many fishes as you want in a short period of time, but at the same time, you are dividing your soldiers as well. Guys in the previous system will always look down on the ones that come after them, and guys who joined the workforce now will always feel being looked down by the ones in higher rank. Whitsunday is a great example as he is a local. The workforce has been so divided for years between expats and locals. What CX should do as a leader is to unite their soldiers as one voice, instead they are using some cheeky tactics to screw them. Idiots. This will fire back. Mark my words.
It's almost as if I was trying to understand and explain the current selection process from the pov of CX Management. I am not one of the management guys, but thank you for acknowledging I did a great job.

Some of you don't seem to understand that CX Captains don't make the rules despite what the word "captain" may imply; management does. And to put it harshly, the people in management don't give a **** about your struggles. They are here to help CX make a profit, raise their stock price, answer to the shareholders, and fatten their own piggy bank through bonuses/stocks. So when whitsunday asked me what I thought CX's intentions were, I answered from CX management's pov because that's the only one that matters whether you agree with them or not. Whatever internal conflicts you mentioned and other complaints pilots raised are irrelevant to management. Besides, it's pretty clear the end goal is to replace most, if not all, expensive expats with locals, so why would management care about some temporary internal conflicts? You said the workforce has been divided for years between expats and locals, yet the company still hasn't collapsed. Perhaps unhappy pilots don't have much of an impact on their bottom line?

So what will happen when/if demand returns and they don't have enough pilots? Well they will have to increase compensations to attract and retain pilots. It's a free market and everyone -- and I really do mean everyone -- has a price. If the price is right, more than enough people will put their hatred for CX and the HK/Beijing government aside to come work for CX and live in a shoe box as they have done for many, many years. Mark my words.

This is NOT to say I agree with them, but this is the harsh reality. I sound like one of the management guys again, don't I?

[Rithfung]

It's almost as if I was trying to understand and explain the current selection process from the pov of CX Management. I am not one of the management guys, but thank you for acknowledging I did a great job.

This is NOT to say I agree with them, but this is the harsh reality. I sound like one of the management guys again, don't I?

LMAO You think EXACTLY like a management! And I say this because I have been working for CX before, I agree 100% all calculation are for the interest of shareholders AND their pocket.

To be fair, I believe most of us trying for the cadet program now knows about this as well, and we are using this opportunity just as much as they are using us for cheap labor. So please remember, don't get divided by whatever management is doing, always stand together to fight for YOUR own right.

And thanks for the insight, might be helpful for the interview :)

[Hardrod]

I think it's unfair to for Whitsunday to judge Chloe simply based on her one question.
I only hope whitsunday is much nicer in person than he is behind keyboard.

So much you can tell from a person based on the question he or she asked. That's why we have personality test and psychiatric test.
You might not the like he said it but everything he said is true. In my view I think whitsunday is being completely honest and forward. Reminds me of my American pals. Rude but honest.

[ChrissyPrezzie]

It's almost as if I was trying to understand and explain the current selection process from the pov of CX Management. I am not one of the management guys, but thank you for acknowledging I did a great job.

Some of you don't seem to understand that CX Captains don't make the rules despite what the word "captain" may imply; management does. And to put it harshly, the people in management don't give a **** about your struggles. They are here to help CX make a profit, raise their stock price, answer to the shareholders, and fatten their own piggy bank through bonuses/stocks. So when whitsunday asked me what I thought CX's intentions were, I answered from CX management's pov because that's the only one that matters whether you agree with them or not. Whatever internal conflicts you mentioned and other complaints pilots raised are irrelevant to management. Besides, it's pretty clear the end goal is to replace most, if not all, expensive expats with locals, so why would management care about some temporary internal conflicts? You said the workforce has been divided for years between expats and locals, yet the company still hasn't collapsed. Perhaps unhappy pilots don't have much of an impact on their bottom line?

So what will happen when/if demand returns and they don't have enough pilots? Well they will have to increase compensations to attract and retain pilots. It's a free market and everyone -- and I really do mean everyone -- has a price. If the price is right, more than enough people will put their hatred for CX and the HK/Beijing government aside to come work for CX and live in a shoe box as they have done for many, many years. Mark my words.

This is NOT to say I agree with them, but this is the harsh reality. I sound like one of the management guys again, don't I?Mental health issues are just as important as physical ones, said by many doctors. So if a junior pilot is constantly being looked down by his/her peers, I’m talking about the ones who graduated from the same program but in the old standard, they will have a higher chance to be exposed to all kinds of mental health problems, such as low self-esteem, loss of confidence, feeling being isolated in the cockpit because, let’s be honest, you are just sitting here watching somebody to fly the jet, always think I am here because they went easy on me at the interviews, totally embarrassed by his/her terrible accent in front of the bananas..(You think the locals are gonna be much nicer to each other? Wrong. Even inside the local pilot community, some of them are quite judgmental. Have flown with and worked with plenty of them before. Hey. What do you think we were doing on a 13hours flight from HKG to LAX? Now you have peer pressure, on top of that, you have CX factor. You have a company who constantly push you over the edge, doesn't care about your feelings, doesn’t care about your situation, having a take it or walk out the door attitude. You want to leave but you can't because you have nowhere to go with P2X. You are now stuck. Day after day, month after month, these mental health problems get piled up and it eventually causes fatigue, leading to anxiety, leading to depression, what worst, you might think about taking your own life. A young CX pilot who killed himself recently because of depression, the news has been widely circulating among the expat pilot community. A person dies doesn’t make the news. But what if a whole plane went down then CX is doomed. Two Hong Kong Airlines Pilots were trying to takeoff from a Taxiway. SCMP 2008. Could it be the future of Cathay?

[chloe123]

Just received an email, and it asked me to join a video call to do this initial assessment test which include:

- Monitoring ability
- Spatial orientation
- Complex control
- Applied numeracy
- Multi-tasking
- Reaction speed
- Work related behaviour

Where would you recommend to source out the information that were mention in above? The test is 120min. Once again, much appreciated for the help! I have zero background.

[flying_melon]

Mental health issues are just as important as physical ones, said by many doctors. So if a junior pilot is constantly being looked down by his/her peers, I’m talking about the ones who graduated from the same program but in the old standard, they will have a higher chance to be exposed to all kinds of mental health problems, such as low self-esteem, loss of confidence, feeling being isolated in the cockpit because, let’s be honest, you are just sitting here watching somebody to fly the jet, always think I am here because they went easy on me at the interviews, totally embarrassed by his/her terrible accent in front of the bananas..(You think the locals are gonna be much nicer to each other? Wrong. Even inside the local pilot community, some of them are quite judgmental. Have flown with and worked with plenty of them before. Hey. What do you think we were doing on a 13hours flight from HKG to LAX? Now you have peer pressure, on top of that, you have CX factor. You have a company who constantly push you over the edge, doesn't care about your feelings, doesn’t care about your situation, having a take it or walk out the door attitude. You want to leave but you can't because you have nowhere to go with P2X. You are now stuck. Day after day, month after month, these mental health problems get piled up and it eventually causes fatigue, leading to anxiety, leading to depression, what worst, you might think about taking your own life. A young CX pilot who killed himself recently because of depression, the news has been widely circulating among the expat pilot community. A person dies doesn’t make the news. But what if a whole plane went down then CX is doomed. Two Hong Kong Airlines Pilots were trying to takeoff from a Taxiway. SCMP 2008. Could it be the future of Cathay?
Mental health is certainly important, but nothing you said is new. SO has always sat in the cockpit watching somebody fly the jet. As for accent, everybody has an accent whether they are Aussie, American, British, or local. Not all expats come from English speaking countries either, so they could very well have, for example, Spanish or French accent. But I guess the problem is only with the "terrible" accent of the locals. You are also assuming every new cadet has a thick Chinglish accent when it isn't necessarily true, is it? Plenty of locals have studied in international schools in HK and/or universities in an English speaking country.

As for being stuck at Cathay for at least a couple years due to P2X, this is a very valid point and something every cadet needs to understand before they commit to the program. This may be a deal breaker for some and a non-issue for others. But as long as you know what you are getting yourself into, I don't see this as an issue.

Anyway, it seems like half of these problems stemmed from the fact that experienced pilots at CX are too judgmental (your word... not mine!) and act all high and mighty when they interact with the newbies. So maybe they are the ones who need to do better and stop creating such a toxic work environment? CX management deserves a lot criticisms and apparently so do experienced pilots who mistreat SO, at least according to your account. Well I have an idea. Be nice and courteous to fellow crew members. Don't look down on your colleagues because you think you're the greatest pilot in the world. Don't make fun of your colleagues because they don't have the "perfect" accent in your book. You don't have to become buddies with them, but you also don't have to make them feel uncomfortable. Less a**holes in the cockpit = less peer pressure = less depression. Now everybody is happy. Problem solved.

Lastly, having low self-esteem and confidence is something everybody needs to work on on their own. Everybody earned their spot in the cockpit.

[Hardrod]

Just received an email, and it asked me to join a video call to do this initial assessment test which include:

- Monitoring ability
- Spatial orientation
- Complex control
- Applied numeracy
- Multi-tasking
- Reaction speed
- Work related behaviour

Where would you recommend to source out the information that were mention in above? The test is 120min. Once again, much appreciated for the help! I have zero background.

You must be so bummed out that she ignored you, Rithfung. Still want to help?

[MDRT22]

Hello. I am very new here. This program sounds very attractive, someone pays you training and give you a job, seems too good to be truth. What is the catch tho? This is Hong Kong. I know nothing is free in Hong Kong. There must be so many strings attached I supposed?

I see you people talked about P2X. What is P2X? Why can't SOs fly the plane? If they can't fly the plane, what are they here for? I thought pilots are supposed to fly the plane, like drivers. If a bus driver can't drive the bus then why is he still a bus driver? I don't understand. I like flying. I like do the takeoffs and landings. Should I fly for fun? Airlines pilots are so in trouble. Always follow rules, and SOs can't fly. Too miserable bor.

Also, what about salary? I want to buy a house, have a family, have kids. I have a girlfriend now, and we plan to get marry, I see the housing getting cheaper, because so many Hong Kong leaving Hong Kong. Is the salary good enough to buy a house?

Thank you

[MDRT22]

Oh. I forgot to say. I am 24 now. I work in bank, I am making 50K a month, base salary, on top, I get average 20K bonuses. Can I still make the same money to be Cadet/SOs?

[whitsunday]

But I guess the problem is only with the "terrible" accent of the locals. You are also assuming every new cadet has a thick Chinglish accent when it isn't necessarily true, is it? Plenty of locals have studied in international schools in HK and/or universities in an English speaking country.

I'm pretty sure ChrissyPrezzie was talking about local vs local, not local vs expat, which somehow I can relate to it. On that note, I just wanted to say, English has been a big problem for the locals, much have to do with the local schooling system. So for cadets who spent a whole year in Adelaide, they usually made a significant improvement in terms of their English proficiency, Spoken English precisely. Now they split the program in two locations, six months here, six months there or somewhere, they almost took this opportunity away. Not wise.

As for being stuck at Cathay for at least a couple years due to P2X, this is a very valid point and something every cadet needs to understand before they commit to the program. This may be a deal breaker for some and a non-issue for others. But as long as you know what you are getting yourself into, I don't see this as an issue.

There are plenty of 2 or 5 percent applicants who have no clue about what P2X is, let alone about COS18, and I'm sure the folks who are in the process now HAVE NO IDEA what kind of mess they are about to get themselves into. (People Department will only tell you the things they want you to know, not the things you need to know)

Well I have an idea. Be nice and courteous to fellow crew members. Don't look down on your colleagues because you think you're the greatest pilot in the world. Don't make fun of your colleagues because they don't have the "perfect" accent in your book. You don't have to become buddies with them, but you also don't have to make them feel uncomfortable. Less a**holes in the cockpit = less peer pressure = less depression. Now everybody is happy. Problem solved.​​​​​​​

If it was as easy as you said the world would have been in a better place. We wouldn't have so many kids being bullied problems, women being mistreated problems, LGBT people being discriminated problems, racial discrimination problems etc....We wouldn't even have Trump.

​​​​​​​Lastly, having low self-esteem and confidence is something everybody needs to work on on their own. Everybody earned their spot in the cockpit.

If CX could stick to their old top gun standard we wouldn't have this kind of discussion, at least they could have eliminated the substandard people from the process, which goes back to my original point, the root cause. Btw, how did that work for the young fella who died?!

[MDRT22]

Thank you to the people at Fragrant Habour Section. Now I know something about Minimum Hours, Minimum Productivity Pay, Bond etc.. It's completely new to me.
Anyone who wants to get some really good valid information, I suggest to head over that section. www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour-19/

It's meaningless to have people constantly asking, "hey, anyone interested in joining study group?" "Hey, I'm at stage blah blah, anyone is in the same boat?" ....
This is so stupid. No wonder why experienced pilots are laughing at Cadets. They deserved to be laughed at.

[Rithfung]

You must be so bummed out that she ignored you, Rithfung. Still want to help?
lmao honestly I am just trying to help others like me, however accept or not is not up to me.

And I will still offer help to those who need, after all I have been helped by many others before.

[Hardrod]

lmao honestly I am just trying to help others like me, however accept or not is not up to me.

And I will still offer help to those who need, after all I have been helped by many others before.

MDRT22 asked a few important questions, how come I didn't see you responding? As you said "I will still offer help to those who need"

[Rithfung]

MDRT22 asked a few important questions, how come I didn't see you responding? As you said "I will still offer help to those who need"
Oh yeah, totally not a troll there :D

I do have a good laugh with the perfect lihkg format post :)

[dot0086]

Just received an email, and it asked me to join a video call to do this initial assessment test which include:

- Monitoring ability
- Spatial orientation
- Complex control
- Applied numeracy
- Multi-tasking
- Reaction speed
- Work related behaviour

Where would you recommend to source out the information that were mention in above? The test is 120min. Once again, much appreciated for the help! I have zero background.

Not sure if you took the aptitude test yet, but if you did you probably know what it's like now. But I'll reply just for those who are looking to apply in the near future or are about to take the test. The test is run by Aon, so just search Aon [the test in question] on Google and you should be able to find some sample tests.
Monitoring Ability: it's a test with moving dots and you pretty much have to guess how many there are. This one was virtually impossible when it reaches 8+ balls and you pretty much just have to guess. Tells you if you were right or wrong every question.
Spatial Orientation: plane with a heading and a location beacon and you select where the plane is out of 9 possible spots. No instant feedback.
Complex Control: fly through a tunnel trying to get to the highest "level". You can control the speed, but it will also automatically speed up if you keep going without hitting anything. If you hit something, it will stop you briefly and continue on.
Applied Numeracy: 20 questions of pretty simple math, you have 15 minutes to do them. Calculators are allowed so if you know your formulas it's pretty simple (ie. volume, area, conversions, percentages, etc.) No instant feedback.
Multi-Tasking: 3 tasks: determine if a triangle is point left or right, mental addition/subtraction, duplicates numbers. Pretty easy if you're good at mental math. Instant feedback for wrong answers.
Reaction Speed: 2 shapes, press equal when same shape. Easiest test IMO. Instant feedback.
Work Related Behavior: the most time consuming one. I think there were about 100 questions and took me about 30 minutes to do them.

I don't know how well I did but they sent me a final interview offer within 2 hours of submitting the aptitude test.
Will update on what they ask after my interview!

Also not related, but a lot of salty, angry, and gatekeeping elitists on this forum lol