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Old 18th Jun 2023, 01:49
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Little hissy fit? It was Wizz, as I was still tapping away at this iPad when it took off. The wife wakes up with the noise so I looked up the flight on flightradar 24, as it headed away from Luton. Think it was meant to take off at 18.35 and was heading for Tirana.

As I tap away now another late Wizz takes off at 00:33. This is why there is a summer overnight ban on biz jets. Too many airlines taking off and landing late.
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Oh here is the next one. 2 hour late Wizz arrival that should have landed at 22:38 followed by a Ryanair arriving 1 hour 30 minutes late.

As a condition of a 32m airport the airport should be forced to close overnight like many other civilised airports.



Smoke and mirrors. LLAOL and LRT both refuse to commit to imposing pollution limits on aircraft flying into and out of Luton. While the airport will achieve net zero, pollution is set for a massive increase if expansion plans are passed.
Not at all but a B737-800 has a larger noise footprint than an Airbus 321NEO.
There is another one at 02:10 soon.

Which are these other 'civilised' airports? Don't quote Heathrow, it is not closed. Stansted, Gatwick, Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol, Liverpool.....
Oh you mean Farnborough!
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Old 18th Jun 2023, 06:25
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Did I say U.K. airports but I am happy to include Farnborough if you like.

Do you consider Luton to be a good neighbour airport, seeing they broke nighttime noise limits for 3 consecutive years, thinking they were getting away with it, and then when rumbled, putting in a planning application so they could carry on?

a B737-800 has a larger noise footprint than an Airbus 321NEO.
After just listening to to first Ryanair departure after a string of Wizz I doubt anyone would tell the difference.

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Old 18th Jun 2023, 08:49
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Originally Posted by LTNman

After just listening to to first Ryanair departure after a string of Wizz I doubt anyone would tell the difference.
Agreed! A comment from somebody who has looked at the numbers. A blindfold test would be interesting!
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Old 18th Jun 2023, 09:32
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It is what it is. The A321 Neo’s are reported to be as loud as the A320 non Neo’s despite the claims from Airbus. Maybe the extra weight is the issue but some of that noise isn’t coming from the engines but the speed brakes, strange as it seems when on approach. There is also the barking dog noise some passengers are subjected to but can’t be heard from the ground.

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Old 18th Jun 2023, 12:44
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Did I say U.K. airports but I am happy to include Farnborough if you like.

Do you consider Luton to be a good neighbour airport, seeing they broke nighttime noise limits for 3 consecutive years, thinking they were getting away with it, and then when rumbled, putting in a planning application so they could carry on?

After just listening to to first Ryanair departure after a string of Wizz I doubt anyone would tell the difference.
Just be thankful you don't live near Stansted which had QC4 B744 departure last night!
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Old 18th Jun 2023, 13:24
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A the subject of late running flights, there are currently x3 aircraft holding on South Stands awaiting departure clearance so expect late returns for all those!
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Old 18th Jun 2023, 15:21
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We did a diversion to Luton from Gatwick last week. After almost 3 hours on the ground, flight got cancelled. We couldn't get out due to lack of pushback tug and crew. Swissport guy was distraught they couldn't help us after running around for ages. How come things like this still happen in this country? Does anyone know of a formula airline and handling bosses use to work out how many ground crew/trucks they need on a given day? It was only 4 diversions. What's worse is lack of parking places that face outwards requiring no pushback. That would solve the problem nicely, but no!
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Old 18th Jun 2023, 15:24
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Originally Posted by CW247
. How come things like this still happen in this country?
Because everybody wants to fly on the cheap.
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Originally Posted by CW247
We did a diversion to Luton from Gatwick last week. After almost 3 hours on the ground, flight got cancelled. We couldn't get out due to lack of pushback tug and crew. Swissport guy was distraught they couldn't help us after running around for ages. How come things like this still happen in this country? Does anyone know of a formula airline and handling bosses use to work out how many ground crew/trucks they need on a given day? It was only 4 diversions. What's worse is lack of parking places that face outwards requiring no pushback. That would solve the problem nicely, but no!
If it is the day I think it actually was Peaceair A320 (TUI), three easyJets, Enterair from Gatwick, two BAs from Heathrow.
Luton uses shared resources for tugs & connection rods. Non of the above types should have been an issue. I suspect it was priority existing sheduled ops.
UK does not tend to use such stands, you would find similar parking arrangements at Stansted or Birmingham if you had gone there. You could have gone to Southend to have such parking available, they need the business but I don't think accept off loading of pax on diversions!
If your intentions were to just pick up more fuel and wait out until you could reposition back to LGW that bare that in mind and let your ops know if they were the ones showing a preference of diversions available.
There is actually a provision for 4 extra stands East of Foxtrot and extra by runup Bay. It wouldn't require too much imagination that those could feed from Foxtrot & Alpha taxiways so no pushback required. Ideal for diversions and splash & dash movements. I'm sure TUI engineering would appreciate someone extra to park whilst waiting of other units to vacate there facilities.
Could be used when waiting for slots rather than the South Stands especially when 25 in use.

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Old 18th Jun 2023, 18:11
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I live under one of the usual approaches to LTN, in the Aylesbury area. The point at which noise normally is heard is when flaps and air brakes go out. If I look up, they are almost always in the same point in the sky. As to a diff between A or B? Nope. I agree that there are many late arrivals due to the accumulated delays during the day. If I am awake at say, 01:00 and look them up, their delay can be anything up to two hours.

May I add that I have lived under a different LTN path and also two different LHR paths from 1979 to date. So, quite apart from now knowing the exact identity of the machines - I have some experience of flight paths!
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May I add I bought my first property in Luton in 1981 near the water tower off Tennyson Road, I bought off someone employed by Britannia Airways and both neighbours were employed at the airport. Did consider Wigmore Estate, the Agent correctly identified airport noise might be an issue. At the time the Wigmore Pavilon and open space were a rundown disgrace.
Some fantastic days spent with neighbours in Memorial Park and Stockward Park which are mixed usage areas.
I thus bought in full knowledge of what the airport brings - at the time very much reduced rates/council tax.
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I notice easyJet are cancelling flights again not just at Luton but Gatwick, Manchester etc while the rest seem to be battling on with some delays.
It annoys me intensely when people complain about being disturbed by a one off noisy aircraft when two young people were killed in Nottingham recently. Think of what there parents are going through at the moment. Some people ought to get there priorities right.
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Old 18th Jun 2023, 20:15
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
I notice easyJet are cancelling flights again not just at Luton but Gatwick, Manchester etc while the rest seem to be battling on with some delays.
It annoys me intensely when people complain about being disturbed by a one off noisy aircraft when two young people were killed in Nottingham recently. Think of what there parents are going through at the moment. Some people ought to get there priorities right.
Did the older man not matter? Give your head a shake
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
I notice easyJet are cancelling flights again not just at Luton but Gatwick, Manchester etc while the rest seem to be battling on with some delays.
It annoys me intensely when people complain about being disturbed by a one off noisy aircraft when two young people were killed in Nottingham recently. Think of what there parents are going through at the moment. Some people ought to get there priorities right.
I'm not sure what kind of valid comparison that is.

You could say the same about people living in Ukraine, relatives of car accident victims etc. But if at the time people took on properties restrictions were in place then when those supposed rules and guarantees are being flouted I can understand their frustration.

We bought a property BEFORE The Download Festival started and this year suffered nightmare traffic and excessive noise from the Metallica gig. Was I miffed? You bet I was!
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I thus bought in full knowledge of what the airport brings - at the time very much reduced rates/council tax.
Not any more, they got greedy and now the Council gets nothing.

It annoys me intensely when people complain about being disturbed by a one off noisy aircraft when two young people were killed in Nottingham recently.
I would not call Luton's noise one off's. Whatever the tragedy life goes on and so does healthy debate. We can disagree but I like to think we all respect each others views.

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I see Easyjet has cancelled its domestic flights to Luton from early evening blaming poor weather at Luton. Did I miss something, we just had very light rain that just wetted the ground.

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Old 18th Jun 2023, 21:35
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I see Easyjet has cancelled its domestic flights to Luton from early evening blaming poor weather at Luton. Did I miss something, we just had very light rain that just wetted the ground.
Not just Domestic, x2 Amsterdam, Zurich, Venice & Paris. I did say earlier they were suffering from slot restrictions. You don't want to look at the LGW departures board!
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What’s the point of applying for a 32m Luton Airport and the extra slots that would be required when not enough slots can be generated today. Also by blaming non existent bad weather at Luton is Easyjet just trying to avoid compensation claims?
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Whatís the point of applying for a 32m Luton Airport and the extra slots that would be required when not enough slots can be generated today. Also by blaming non existent bad weather at Luton is Easyjet just trying to avoid compensation claims?
A day before, you were saying that flights should've been cancelled due to noise abatement issues and now you're asking why they're not being operated today, clearly because there are ATC weather restrictions. And no doubt there will be congestion on the airfield, by virtue of the airport not having the space to accomodate extended ground times.
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Old 19th Jun 2023, 12:29
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I think you are making it up, as I actually said

As a condition of a 32m airport the airport should be forced to close overnight like many other civilised airports.
Not quite the same thing, as I also pointed out that an expanded Luton would substantially require more slots when there are not enough now according to Pabely.

As for easyJet blaming Luton weather, how many diversion were there due to light rain? Answer none. The real issue is more likely to be a lack of staff, as people donít like the shift pattens when there is an abundance of jobs away from the airport.


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