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Old 12th Aug 2023, 10:26
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LTNman - if you think these community leaders have been "got at" by LRT... then do something about it. You know (or can find out) their names. You know plenty about the issues involved. Write letters to the community leaders... phone them.. ask to meet in person... talk to them. Complaining on a web forum that is generally very much in favour of commercial aviation and its expansion is unlikely to achieve much.
Pointless and a waste of my time. Most of the councillors in the town are Muslim so will all be attending their mosques to keep up the positive spin.
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Old 12th Aug 2023, 22:05
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Grrr

Shame the town will have no choice but to sell it's greatest asset, in order to pay off ever increasing borrowing costs. How many affordable houses would the DART and DCO have enabled?

Well it would have built 400 1m houses!
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 06:56
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Pointless and a waste of my time. Most of the councillors in the town are Muslim so will all be attending their mosques to keep up the positive spin.
LTNman there is nothing stopping you becoming a councillor or anyone else who wants to make changes to peoples lives. However getting back to business the population of Herts, Beds, Bucks and Cambridge based on the 2021 census is 3.4 million residents. With that fact in mind how many folk from within this catchment area object to Luton Airport expansion? In addition how many people welcome growth? By getting these figures we could then confirm the population who are neutral or have no interest either way.
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 07:32
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The airport always seems to trot out the argument that it's growth is somehow linked to alleviating poverty in Luton.

The airport has grown massively since the early 2000s yet all the metrics I've seen show poverty and inequality in the town is worsening.

It's a red herring argument easily dismissed by actual evidence.
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 10:36
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Originally Posted by Lee Baker Street
However getting back to business the population of Herts, Beds, Bucks and Cambridge based on the 2021 census is 3.4 million residents. With that fact in mind how many folk from within this catchment area object to Luton Airport expansion?
Using the list of submissions to the DCO as an indicator I would say 90% object as only 10% want expansion and some of those 10% have been bought by LRT
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 10:39
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Using the list of submissions to the DCO as a indicator I would say 90% object.
You very well know that the vast majority of people who make submissions for planning applications do so because they object to it. Its hardly an accurate indicator for the wider public.
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 10:43
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Still 90% as everyone had the right to support or object. I am sure Lee Baker Street put in his submission
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 10:49
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
The airport always seems to trot out the argument that it's growth is somehow linked to alleviating poverty in Luton.

The airport has grown massively since the early 2000s yet all the metrics I've seen show poverty and inequality in the town is worsening.

It's a red herring argument easily dismissed by actual evidence.
You are spot on. The airport has reached 18m and poverty has got worse. Look no further than in-work poverty with zero hour contracts and part time airport jobs. The airport needs poverty to keep the airport competitive and the Council knows it.

In the past when airport workers have gone on strike the Labour run Council had refused to support them, as they are focused on profits rather than workers rights and pay.

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Old 13th Aug 2023, 14:55
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Using the list of submissions to the DCO as an indicator I would say 90% object as only 10% want expansion and some of those 10% have been bought by LRT
Thank you LTNman for responding to my question. With 90 percent of respondents against Luton Airport Expansion I will accept that Luton Airport can not expand. However of the millions that had the opportunity to pass their vote what was the actual total that was against expansion and those who had the opportunity to say either way but did not bother because they have no interest in the consultation. Are we looking at hundreds or thousands or millions of people who had the opportunity to give their voice.
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 15:24
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This is all pointless drivel, which I find fatiguing. DCO’s are not decided on opinion polls or who abstained but on submitted evidence both written and oral. If you have registered you can add to your views with a fresh statement based on your other posts.

Rather than tackling poverty 68m is being spent on this DCO together with 309m that has been spent on the Dart. Both sums that could have been spent on those who need help and maybe ending poverty by creating new non-airport job opportunities that are not seasonal.

So how many jobs has the 309m Dart created? Let’s say 30 with each job created costing 10m. How many passengers has the Dart added to 2019 totals. How about zero. Yes that 309m was well spent in helping to end poverty.

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Old 13th Aug 2023, 20:54
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Nice to see a Balkan Holidays & DAT A320 tonight, I assume a one off charters though.
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 15:54
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I notice that an easy A321 - G-UZMI - diverted in from Gatwick in the early hours. Is this the first time that an A321 has appeared on a service albeit a diversion. It night stopped positioning back to Gatwick in the morning.
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 06:47
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I notice that an easy A321 - G-UZMI - diverted in from Gatwick in the early hours. Is this the first time that an A321 has appeared on a service albeit a diversion. It night stopped positioning back to Gatwick in the morning.
No, I have seen Milan based EJU examples before and I'm sure other LGW examples have been in from LGW diversions.
I think the plan was to base at least 1 at LTN next year as 319s get retired and replaced by 320s then existing 320s routes get traded up.
More pressure on the 18m pax limit.
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 13:00
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Unite Union making themselves the most hated Union by general public again. Might impress TUC but how long can they support workers with strike fund, even if you are on the lowest wage scale with GH Handling servicing Wizzair?
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 15:13
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Unite Union making themselves the most hated Union by general public again. Might impress TUC but how long can they support workers with strike fund, even if you are on the lowest wage scale with GH Handling servicing Wizzair?
Who do GH handle at Luton ? Is it just Wizz, or any other airlines ?
FlyOne ? Any other airlines ?
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 15:23
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Wizz Air
FLY ONE

Maybe passengers should pay enough in fares to support a decent wage for airport workers who work 24/7 shift patterns.

This is just another example of the business model that requires staff to be on low pay.
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 16:22
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LTNman - there is nothing special about Luton or Wizzair in this situation. Whenever you have multiple companies supplying a service (aircraft handling at LTN), only one or two main companies (U2 and W6) purchasing the service, and the service involving relatively unskilled manual labour... then this is what happens. It seems the workforce and union are adapting to this setup in the way things normally resolve in a capitalist society. Just stand back, don't worry... and let the major players fight it out amongst themselves... they all know there is a need to do a deal.
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 16:29
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Wizz Air
FLY ONE

Maybe passengers should pay enough in fares to support a decent wage for airport workers who work 24/7 shift patterns.

This is just another example of the business model that requires staff to be on low pay.
Perhaps the public should stop shopping at Poundland and ordering anything which comes from China to keep wages higher?
You tell me someone who will buy a Ticket from an airline which pays higher wages...........
Aka Ryanair & Wizzair thrive and the old style airlines die, Sebena, Alitalia etc or club together and move to low cost models ie Oneworld, Star & Skyteam.
Middle Eastern carriers pay well but are bank rolled and cut jobs at a moments notice as alot of Emirates employees found out during covid.
My point was about the Union who are creative on their press releases and always seem to put out a 1970s image, Ok lads, all out!
They are doing the same with Red Handling & Wilson James over at Gatwick.
Makes me wonder if this is an effort by Union to grab as much as it can before forecast inflation drops so their biggest yardstick disappears.....

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Old 16th Aug 2023, 16:39
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Few diversions from LGW, all EZY I believe because of issue at LGW earlier. STN & LHR took some as well.
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CAA Reporting Pax June 2023 1,549,590. 14% up on last year.
But 2019 was 1,697,198 so not at pre-covid levels yet.
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