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Old 16th Mar 2022, 20:10
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Does the dispute only affect Luton Ops? Thought the bigger operation was at LHR?
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Old 17th Mar 2022, 08:32
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Looking finished except it is not. Opening date was meant to be by April 1st 2021. Passengers for the airport will board in the middle while passengers from the airport will exit on either side. At the terminal end passengers can only board and exit from the middle.


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Old 20th Mar 2022, 17:39
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So TUI have 16 based aircraft at Gatwick and just one at Luton this summer. I wonder if they will have any next year and this is a Luton based airline?
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TUI have run down based aircraft for years at Luton.
Doesn't mean their HO or Engineering is going anywhere.
I'm afraid bad customer feedback of queues on the approach roads & terminal experience took it's toll.
Looking at the artist impression of T2 though shows plenty of TUI aircraft!
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So TUI have 16 based aircraft at Gatwick and just one at Luton this summer. I wonder if they will have any next year and this is a Luton based airline?

As I've mentioned before, once the airport went overboard with the cram 'em in at any cost mentality some years ago, a good number of TUI's customers did not appreciate it!
What the future holds for TUI's LTN operation is anyone's guess but the planned flying from LTN this Summer is a fraction of the pre-covid activity with just one rotation per day on weekdays!


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Old 21st Mar 2022, 12:05
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easyJet carry quite a number of TUI customers from Luton.
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Old 21st Mar 2022, 17:06
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easyJet carry quite a number of TUI customers from Luton.

True - but EZY's LTN operation was a similar size when TUI had 3 aircraft based a few Summers back. Another factor is that it made sense to keep a 757 based at LTN on rotation for hangar A checks. Obviously, now that type has left the fleet, the company feel they can make better use of 737 aircraft elsewhere and virtually all the once LTN based pilots relocated to other bases during the peak of Covid.
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Old 22nd Mar 2022, 06:00
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Luton is a low cost airport that has been updated and expanded on the cheap since the 60’s. You only have to look at the ceilings to see an example where money has been saved giving the whole Luton experience an unpleasant feel.

TUI customers are somewhat more wealthier than the average Wizz and Ryanair passenger with holidays now costing considerable sums so I would say they are somewhat more fussy. Queuing for an hour to get to the terminal was never a great start and even through those days are over people don’t forget so abandoned Luton for a better experience elsewhere. Another alternative to Luton is Birmingham where TUI have 11 aircraft based.
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Old 22nd Mar 2022, 12:26
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Originally Posted by Spanish eyes
Luton is a low cost airport that has been updated and expanded on the cheap since the 60ís. You only have to look at the ceilings to see an example where money has been saved giving the whole Luton experience an unpleasant feel.

TUI customers are somewhat more wealthier than the average Wizz and Ryanair passenger with holidays now costing considerable sums so I would say they are somewhat more fussy. Queuing for an hour to get to the terminal was never a great start and even through those days are over people donít forget so abandoned Luton for a better experience elsewhere. Another alternative to Luton is Birmingham where TUI have 11 aircraft based.
I have always been a TUI customer and my last holidays with them was in November 2017 and December 2018. Unfortunately I am looking to try an alternative carrier at LTN because by reducing their services TUI has abandoned us by reducing destinations. The true reasoning for TUI having moved its aircrafts to other U.K. airports is in my view, because they can not compete with the low cost airlines and equally they want to deter the low costs from duplicating further routes.Travellers in these modern days prefer to make their own plans / schedules. I am old school and prefer a holiday company to do all the work for me. With regard to the terminal I think it looks smart and trendy. Where I work, the buildings generally now have ceilings with pipes showing. Itís different I admit, but is the new modern way! Take yourself to London and see for yourself.
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Old 22nd Mar 2022, 13:22
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So why does TUI compete with low cost carriers at Gatwick?

Sorry the terminal was built on the cheap with more to come.
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Old 22nd Mar 2022, 18:53
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TUI has to protect slots at places such as LGW and there is a slightly more wealthier demographic in that area to chase!

Also, I doubt TUI was interested in or offered any sweeteners by LBC to expand at LTN whilst Wizz were clearly a major beneficiary!
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Old 22nd Mar 2022, 19:12
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TUI sold the slots for the second based aircraft to Wizzair so it's all water under the bridge now.

I note taxiway Foxtrot was in use again today to park bizjets, without the Moscow shuttles business still brisk at the FBOs. Hey Luton, missing a trick here?
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Old 22nd Mar 2022, 22:31
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Well if the rumours were true, allegedly Jet2 wanted to open a Luton base, but for reasons I will not list, soon decided Stansted was a far better option. Some airlines are wanted, others, well Luton Rising is the future......
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Old 25th Mar 2022, 13:33
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Bim gets Gove's ear then to see if he wants to ask for a formal review of the 19M planning consent.
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Old 25th Mar 2022, 14:07
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear
Well if the rumours were true, allegedly Jet2 wanted to open a Luton base, but for reasons I will not list, soon decided Stansted was a far better option. Some airlines are wanted, others, well Luton Rising is the future......
Jet2 were never going to LTN. Nowhere enough slots/stands and the existing relationship with MAG.
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Old 25th Mar 2022, 14:28
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Bim gets Gove's ear then to see if he wants to ask for a formal review of the 19M planning consent.
My understanding is that the Development Consent Order to government is for permission to expand from 18 million to 32million. So why should the council preempt that decision by giving itself planning permission for 19 million? It seems the council works to a different set of rules when it comes to its airport.

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Old 25th Mar 2022, 17:42
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I thought the need for a DCO didn't kick in until they reached 20.5M ? and stepped rises to this were always on the cards via local approval?
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Old 25th Mar 2022, 19:58
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The DCO states a 2 phase expansion. Phase one covers from 18m so indeed how can the Council approve 19m when they will be submitting expansion from 18m? What if the government says no expansion, does the council just ignore it?
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Grrr

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Jet2 were never going to LTN. Nowhere enough slots/stands and the existing relationship with MAG.
In your opinion, but our sources, mine ultra reliable, differ. Think back to the year prior to Jet2 announcing Stansted, slots, not a problem, stands, again not an issue

The sound of twisted arms could be heard from the soon to be destroyed, Wigmore Park (or whatever it is called now).

What has MAG got to do with a Leeds based commercial airline?

Massive base Jet2 has at Bournemouth....... Mind you, pre Covid, that was happening.
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In your opinion, but our sources, mine ultra reliable, differ. Think back to the year prior to Jet2 announcing Stansted, slots, not a problem, stands, again not an issue

The sound of twisted arms could be heard from the soon to be destroyed, Wigmore Park (or whatever it is called now).

What has MAG got to do with a Leeds based commercial airline?

Massive base Jet2 has at Bournemouth....... Mind you, pre Covid, that was happening.
Without evidence of those sources, your argument is still only hearsay.

The fact is, LTN would never have been able to take the capacity LS has put into BHX or STN. I'm sure, as with any airline in any drive for significant growth plans - all options were considered, LGW, maybe SEN too I'm sure.

This scenario of yours where LTN was somewhat superior in their initial plans is totally unevidenced. I personally find hard it would've been, considering the market overlap with BHX, where too they have invested very heavily. That's not to say talks didn't possibly progress to quite an advanced stage. Plus it hardly matters now, because they've clearly done well with BHX, STN, and BRS is establishing itself quite well it seems too. That's not to say LTN will never happen of course.

Btw, MAG sold BOH in 2017.
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