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Old 10th Aug 2023, 13:24
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Your link does not work so try this. Luton Airport expansion plans to be heard https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-66459774

Nick Platts, the managing director of Luton Rising, said the expansion would create more than 10,000 jobs and "make the best use" of the airport.
This is a fantasy figure, as the airport and airlines are doing everything possible to remove jobs. Even cleaners at Luton are being replaced by robots, Another batch of check-in desks at the airport are being supplemented with self check-in desks to cut jobs, this time for Ryanair, while security is being dropped to just 12 lanes allowing for a major staff reduction. More and more shops are gaining self checkout machines while self driving airport buses are not far away. Visit the information desk reveals two empty chairs. See something dodgy, just try finding someone to report it to.

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Perhaps an election in West London was a wake up call that the green agenda is great until it hits directly your pocket!?
Maybe when a few more U.K. natural weather disasters hit the U.K. more regularly that this will focus a few minds as people will demand action.


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An airport has marked Luton Town's return to top flight football with a giant grass painting that visitors can see as they fly in. London Luton Airport's message of support for the Hatters comes as they prepare for their first match since promotion to the Premier League. The image is under the airport's flight path at Stockwood Park in the Bedfordshire town. It features midfielder Pelly-Ruddock Mpanzu and a tongue-in-cheek message. The giant painting, which was created over more than two days with about 500 litres (110 gallons) of environmentally friendly paint, reads: "Pundits, prepare to eat your hats. Luton Town FC has landed."
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Grrr

PR exercise due to the Terminal 2 inquiry.

So if Luton does not expand, airlines will leave? Absolutely correct, even if T2 is granted they will! if Runway 2 at Gatwick is approved, easy and Wizz will be in line for a runway slot extravaganza!
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 05:08
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Interesting day one at the open hearings. Everyone who spoke was against expansion apart from five Muslims who all arrived at the same time and left at the same time and were friends of the deputy mayor. He was seen to be coaching them before the start of the meeting. I mention that they were Muslims because they mentioned that they were Muslims so for them it was relevant. No other speakers mentioned their faith.

They all were all enthused about the 11,000 claimed new jobs and mentioned the deprivation in their communities but failed to mention why their communities had not applied for all the outstanding existing vacancies, which there are many. I suspect that the unemployed in those areas do not like 24/7 shift pattens either.

So my conclusion on day one is that race and religion are being already playing out and is part of LRT’s approach. The Muslim community are very much in favour of expansion while the non Muslim communities are not so keen.

It was noted by me in July that LRT had been targeting Muslim communities for support. Seems that approach has worked.

Photo by Luton Rising Temperature taken at a targeted event with the chair of LRT seen on the left.

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Today is more balanced, with LRT bringing out the charities that receive donations but some of those charities are part of the council with speakers wearing council lanyards.

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Old 11th Aug 2023, 12:46
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Originally Posted by LTNman
It was noted by me in July that LRT had been targeting Muslim communities for support. Seems that approach has worked.
Might be a smart move, can you think of any Muslim countries / communities holding back on major airport expansion? Turkey, Saudi, Indonesia, Egypt?
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I would say there were all of Pakistan or Bangladeshi heritage and had been got at with selective information in LRT briefings. Two were connected to the towns two largest mosques, one was a community leader, and another ran a charity.

Clearly they were not told how Bangladesh will be badly affected by global warming, as much of it is just above sea level and that the airports green growth strategy is aimed at the gullible.
https://www.climaterealityproject.or...ing-bangladesh

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Even Pakistan which is very much susceptible to climate is pushing ahead with major expansion at
Hazrat Shahjalal International Airport.
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Just shows how stupid that government is then. A bit like building a new city on a major flood plain with no mitigation put in place.
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LTNman - if you think these community leaders have been "got at" by LRT... then do something about it. You know (or can find out) their names. You know plenty about the issues involved. Write letters to the community leaders... phone them.. ask to meet in person... talk to them. Complaining on a web forum that is generally very much in favour of commercial aviation and its expansion is unlikely to achieve much.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 15:04
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Just shows how stupid that government is then. A bit like building a new city on a major flood plain with no mitigation put in place.
How many new build housing has had this in last 50 years!
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Set a date for your diary, on or before 22nd August for 19M !
https://hitchin.nub.news/news/local-...is-told-195723
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Well if Luton doesn't get approval and operators disappear to other airports its a big finger in the air for the climate people.
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Originally Posted by ericlday
Well if Luton doesn't get approval and operators disappear to other airports its a big finger in the air for the climate people.
Exactly new jobs disappear to Essex & Sussex and overall Herts, Beds & Bucks are less well off. I'm all for a balanced approach with legally binding pre-requisists being put on place but a blanket no solves nothing.
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Originally Posted by ericlday
Well if Luton doesn't get approval and operators disappear to other airports its a big finger in the air for the climate people.
Why would jobs disappear from Luton? Where else will operators move too? LHR, LGW & STN all years away from any expansion.

London air travel is booming, only really Southend that isnít full every morning. I support the expansion of Terminal 1 to letís say 22-24 Million but canít see the financial return of terminal 2.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 16:29
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Originally Posted by pabely
Exactly new jobs disappear to Essex & Sussex and overall Herts, Beds & Bucks are less well off. I'm all for a balanced approach with legally binding pre-requisists being put on place but a blanket no solves nothing.
So you are all for a balanced approach with legally binding pre-requisites as long as 32m is approved. So what happens if a 32m Luton is reached? Will you be saying no more expansion or would you want those pre-requisists dropped? No prizes for guessing how your mind works so they would have in fact no meaning, which is the Councils plan.

Will those legally binding pre-requisites for 32m mean that all those airlines would then move out if the next level of capacity was reached? Keep dreaming if anyone thinks airlines will move out over a 32m refusal. How many have moved out because of the existing 18m limit? How about none. How many airlines have moved out of Heathrow? None

As for the 22nd August date for the 19m decision. Sorry guys, the government wants more time so no decision in August.

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Regarding this 19m application. It was a massive blunder perpetrated by LRT, the Council and its partner LLAOL. They thought that it was all sown up, as the airport owner would just give it the nod, which is exactly what happened. Never did they think that the government would call-in such a small increase, which is why it was set at only a million. That application now threatens the 32m application, as the planning inspectors will take note of any refusal and the reasons why but will ignore any approval as it is only for 1 million extra.
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So at what stage is the 19m increase application at? Is there some kind of ongoing enquiry going on behind the scenes? Or has all information been obtained and we're just waiting for a decision?
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The planning inspectors have made their recommendation to government with the government to decide whether they agree or not. Unusually it will be decided by two Secretary of State and not one. No one knows what that recommendation is. In theory that could be appealed with a Judicial Review called for if the money can be found.

A DCO is a fast tracked version of a Public Inquiry normally without KC’s and focuses on just written submissions without cross examination so in the real world the DCO could be decided before the result of the 19m has finally reached the end of its legal battle. Another reason why LRT blundered.
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Today I have reflected on what charities have said at the DCO. All were fearful of losing funding yet funding from LRT has halved in recent years as money is diverted into servicing its debts. They assume that a bigger Luton means more money but the truth could be the exact opposite.

Also while they crowed about receiving a few thousand here and there and that LRT is a provider of small grants no one has picked up on the fact that if LRT has not spent around £60m on the DCO and £309m on the Dart, that is yet to add a single passenger, then the charities would be quids in.

Also wearing Council lanyards while speaking was not a convincing look that they had not been nobbled or in fact worked for the Council. Active Luton, who run the towns leisure centres, for the Council, was a good example.

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