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Old 13th Dec 2022, 06:48
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If the last two days have shown us anything, itís that the Infrastructure canít cope when things go wrong.
It highlights the need for more stands and holding areas.
Take this morning, the MNG A330 arrives on time but canít get to the Cargo Stands because both DHLís are still there. So it holds by the run up bay blocking the taxiway.Over an hour later still there , the early morning Wizz arrivals start appearing so what happens , either they are forced to backtrack and leave via the mid point or as happened the MNG gets moved up to Delta adjacent the Harrods hangar.
( As I write this it has just managed to get on stand 1hr 20 mins after arrival.)
So first question is are Luton serious about Cargo?
Itís location up a dead end suggests not, no changes in the future expansion plan although obvious demand is there from Customers.
Yesterday was just as bad, queues of a/c waiting up to an hour to get stand availability.
Luton appears to be running to a ď Just in time ď and I feel sorry for the ATC trying to sort it all out.
Merry Xmas.

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Old 13th Dec 2022, 07:19
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I paid £50 one way, but there will be many people paying £100, £150, £200 and more who will be getting the same service, so not sure what your point is here?
My point is low fares have driven down airport charges which means that airports don't have the money to fund rarely occurring demands like prompt snow clearing
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 08:53
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If the last two days have shown us anything, it’s that the Infrastructure can’t cope when things go wrong.
It highlights the need for more stands and holding areas.
I can't see the day when the airport puts in more stands just to remain unused in case of bad weather. Good idea though.
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 12:51
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 13:39
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I can't see the day when the airport puts in more stands just to remain unused in case of bad weather. Good idea though.
Trouble is DHL & MNG business is going well and could be extended but there is significant Harrods & Signature infrastructure in the way. In an ideal world move all that to the proposed T2 site.
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 15:29
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I am sure the locals would prefer no noisy cargo flights. In the big scheme of things cargo provides very little to the bottom line.
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 19:32
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I can't see the day when the airport puts in more stands just to remain unused in case of bad weather. Good idea though.
You are probably right but doesnít mean it shouldnít happen. It would prove to be a false economy if you canít move aircraft around if the airfield is full and has zero ability to be flexible. For one thing, moving aircraft in and out of the hangars shouldnít be a luxury. I remember once getting stuck in a holding pattern after a thunderstorm meant there were no departures, meaning no stands available.
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 19:50
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Totally correct. Didn't Tecknic look at taking on the ex Monarch hangars for Wizzair work. Not taken up because no access to them as used for parking. Loss if engineer jobs which work is now done at STN. LTN took 3 divisions from LGW which took up stands as well. If pax were taken off the planes could have been send to remote 6 pack which I believe has planning permission. Monday a TUI/Sunwing turned up I believe for unscheduled Hangar work. The scheduled TUI Belgium 738 for work had to be cancelled as nowhere to put it whilst it waits for hangar space. Even remote parking airplanes generates some income. STN is littered with long term parked up aircraft.
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 22:51
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So in the recent past we have had a mass fight in departures involving Romanians, today I am hearing it was the turn of the Albanians to kick off. The story I am hearing was that there were arrests. Something to do with a delayed or cancelled flight.

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Old 14th Dec 2022, 00:02
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Has somebody put this month's fight on a YouTube video so we can watch ? Video tweet or Tiktok will suffice instead...
(Many people will be thinking this, even if they don't want to admit it !)
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 00:17
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I have got to confess I did look on YouTube but there is nothing on there.
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 07:43
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
What annoyed me is that RYR still chose to board us at the normal time, getting us to the gate an hour before where we waited for a no show bus to turn up. If thereís no prospect of an on time departure, why get people over to the aircraft longer than necessary? Everything felt a lot slower than it shouldíve been. And this was slot #1Ö I canít imagine what the afternoon wouldíve been like. De-icing took a while to turn up, but they did a thorough job. Bags turned up an hour after it shouldíve done - again staffing issues?
Dannyboy, not an unfair question and also one we get asked quite regularly.

Unfortunately, the answer is not that simple. When we (crew) report for our duty we work to an on-time departure. Yes, if it is snowing, bad weather etc at our departure point or destination we know that an on-time departure becomes less likely. However we still have no idea how long the delay will be.

The busses in LTN are operated by the airport and not the handling agents. It is not the first time that busses have not been available when we have been told they are. De-icing needs to be ordered and can only be done when the aircraft is ready to go. As we are up against holdover times, the period in which the fluid protects the aircraft. In active snow there is no point in de-icing before boarding as depending on the intensity of the snowfall, holdover time can be as little as 20 minutes.

In the weather like we had, it would not surprise me if most aircraft also had slots. These can come forward or go backward. We really donít know.

There are so many variables that it is better to get the passengers onto the aircraft and be ready to go when we can. If we keep you all in the terminal until we have a clearer picture, by the time we get you all on board it will have changed again. We know it is frustrating and whilst we do all that we can, a lot of it is outside our control.

This more LTN generic as I donít work for RYR.





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Old 14th Dec 2022, 12:52
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Freezing fog and at STN, going to be a few none CAT3 aircraft diverting.
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Such excitement! https://hitchin.nub.news/news/local-...ur-area-162599
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Bim won't be happy.
Worthy of note, new Amman service started yesterday.
First SkyExpress due in tomorrow lunchtime.

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Old 14th Dec 2022, 17:34
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Hitchin: Luton Airport's £281m direct air train shuttle is 'game changer' for our area [size=13px]
Complete tosh. Can someone please explain why the Dart is a game changer for someone living in Hitchin, as no one from Hitchin will ever use it.[/size]





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Old 14th Dec 2022, 18:30
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They regularly run stories from around Herts & Beds so obviously think their readership goes way outside Hitchin.
As the primary objective of most media outlets is to draw to in so you read their sponsorship ads the wider the audience the better. If you can prove readership far and wide then you can demand higher advertising rates so make more money!
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 19:17
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SOURCE: Interview with Luton Rising chief executive and archive material.
So another story basically written by the CEO with a cut and paste job carried out. Maybe the reporter should have carried the real story regarding the planned upgrading of the A505 through Hitchin so the road can handle more road traffic heading for a 32m Luton.
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 19:36
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I have got to confess I did look on YouTube but there is nothing on there.
Perhaps this https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/2075...ir-luton-snow/
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 20:15
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Well you can be sure that Wizz will refuse to pay compensation even if a court order is applied, as they claim to have no U.K. presence. As usual, it is the staff who don’t even work for the airline that are subjected to abuse



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