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Well Aegean (a3) have ordered about 13 new planes i think, they are supposedly thinking about expanding to other airports in the UK. I hope that a route is established its bhx's turn even manchester has a route now!
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UK - Athens - Dec 08
Nearly 80,000 pax travelled from the UK to Athens in December 2008
Heathrow - 40,855
Gatwick - 16,408
Stansted - 18,834
Manchester - 2,537
Surely enough pax for a BHX flight ?
BHX5DME
Heathrow - 40,855
Gatwick - 16,408
Stansted - 18,834
Manchester - 2,537
Surely enough pax for a BHX flight ?
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BHX-ATH & BHX-Dinard
gkaloy10
Interesting point you have made about Aegean, not heard any rumours
this end but you never know.
Next is a route lost rather than a potential new route - Ryanair appear to
have canned Dinard. It was not bookable last week from 1/7/09 but it now
can't be booked in April/May.
Is this paving the way to remain at four aircraft based? Two of the days
it operated, five aircraft were required and a couple of tweaks here and there to the existing routes could make four easily.
However still no time changes to the Sunday routes and it still shows a
full five aircraft based in April. Is it just a case of the booking engine playing catch-up or is there another change of mind on the way?
Pete
Interesting point you have made about Aegean, not heard any rumours
this end but you never know.
Next is a route lost rather than a potential new route - Ryanair appear to
have canned Dinard. It was not bookable last week from 1/7/09 but it now
can't be booked in April/May.
Is this paving the way to remain at four aircraft based? Two of the days
it operated, five aircraft were required and a couple of tweaks here and there to the existing routes could make four easily.
However still no time changes to the Sunday routes and it still shows a
full five aircraft based in April. Is it just a case of the booking engine playing catch-up or is there another change of mind on the way?
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OP - Guess we will have to just keep our fingers crossed but I have a horrible feeling that FR minds are concentrated elsewhere and that BHX will stay at 4 based a/c. Still, 4 is very good and way better than none at all!! If there was no FR base at BHX, pax figures would be nowhere near as healthy as they currently are and a certain Scottish airport would become Britains 6th biggest airport in '09 (in fact it still could.....)
There is an often quoted argument that loco pax spend very little money at the airports they fly from. IMO, T2 now seems much busier on average than in BA days, Wetherspoons is always busy, so is it true that airports get less revenue from their loco pax? What are revenues like from T2 now?
As for Aegean, I was in Athens in Dec and I remember reading that A3 have in fact ordered new a/c, the article specifically mentioned that they were evaluating several destinations in the UK - lets hope BHX is one
There is an often quoted argument that loco pax spend very little money at the airports they fly from. IMO, T2 now seems much busier on average than in BA days, Wetherspoons is always busy, so is it true that airports get less revenue from their loco pax? What are revenues like from T2 now?
As for Aegean, I was in Athens in Dec and I remember reading that A3 have in fact ordered new a/c, the article specifically mentioned that they were evaluating several destinations in the UK - lets hope BHX is one
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FCO S09 FR 1004 A 03.45 03.45 30-mar
23OCT 1234567 738 189 1 J BHX BHX FR 1005 -
FCO S09 FR 1005 D 04.45 04.45 30-mar 23OCT 1234567 738 189 1 J BHX BHX FR 1004
23OCT 1234567 738 189 1 J BHX BHX FR 1005 -
FCO S09 FR 1005 D 04.45 04.45 30-mar 23OCT 1234567 738 189 1 J BHX BHX FR 1004
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Apparently Ryanair have applied for a significant amount of slots at Rome Fiumcino. And it seems that it's their intention to move a small number routes (not all) from Ciampino to Fiumcino, and will even operate some routes from both Fiumcino and Ciampino (like Charleroi).
So yes, BHX could be getting a route to FCO with FR.
And it's surprising that BHX currently has no services to Rome.
So yes, BHX could be getting a route to FCO with FR.
And it's surprising that BHX currently has no services to Rome.
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Certainly without Ryanair things would be bleak. I think I have an idea of how they are or were going to incorporate four based this summer, it involves cancelling one route (done - Dinard gone) re-timing at least two more, moving another to different days and changing one flight on one day to an "away" based aircraft. As yet all that has been done is the cancellation of Dinard.
FR are either very slow updating their booking engine or there is a change of heart.
adam12345
Looking at your post this seems to be the same details as I hinted to on the Ryanair thread (11/1/09 post 3308).
Charlie Roy
Agreed re Rome. I think the only thing that stopped FR this winter was it might pull pax from the EMA service but now Baby have pulled this route there should be enough pax for BHX & EMA to co-exist.
Pete
Certainly without Ryanair things would be bleak. I think I have an idea of how they are or were going to incorporate four based this summer, it involves cancelling one route (done - Dinard gone) re-timing at least two more, moving another to different days and changing one flight on one day to an "away" based aircraft. As yet all that has been done is the cancellation of Dinard.
FR are either very slow updating their booking engine or there is a change of heart.
adam12345
Looking at your post this seems to be the same details as I hinted to on the Ryanair thread (11/1/09 post 3308).
Charlie Roy
Agreed re Rome. I think the only thing that stopped FR this winter was it might pull pax from the EMA service but now Baby have pulled this route there should be enough pax for BHX & EMA to co-exist.
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Looking at your post this seems to be the same details as I hinted to on the Ryanair thread (11/1/09 post 3308).
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Good news on FCO if it comes off.......surely FR must be looking at MAD too especially as they have a sizeable base there.
Have also heard that Mahan Air could well be making a return to BHX this summer, apparently BHX has appeared in the drop down list of destinations on their website - however I think this is clutching at straws as Denpasar is formally announced as a new destination with a Press Release and all starting in Feb but does not feature in the drop down destination list! Would be great if it all comes off, BHX's first one stop link to the paradise that is Bali!! Believe me its well worth a visit
Have also heard that Mahan Air could well be making a return to BHX this summer, apparently BHX has appeared in the drop down list of destinations on their website - however I think this is clutching at straws as Denpasar is formally announced as a new destination with a Press Release and all starting in Feb but does not feature in the drop down destination list! Would be great if it all comes off, BHX's first one stop link to the paradise that is Bali!! Believe me its well worth a visit
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From THE Grapevine
I too have heard a little rumour about Mahan Air possible re-start this year with A310s. Have to wait and see
Also Easyjet is completely pulling out after (maybe April) this year
And Ryanair staying with 4 based a/c until at least October this year. Due to this the revised stand re-config on T2 has alledgedley been put on hold for now...but things change from one week to the next with Ryanair.
Would be great to add a FCO, just need to add the few other mentioned cities next.
And finally, ground surveyers have begun taking core samples of the area where the proposed new ATC tower will be built.
Also Easyjet is completely pulling out after (maybe April) this year
And Ryanair staying with 4 based a/c until at least October this year. Due to this the revised stand re-config on T2 has alledgedley been put on hold for now...but things change from one week to the next with Ryanair.
Would be great to add a FCO, just need to add the few other mentioned cities next.
And finally, ground surveyers have begun taking core samples of the area where the proposed new ATC tower will be built.
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Dec 2008 - Top airlines @ BHX by number of movements
A bit of trivia:
Dec 2008 - Top airlines @ BHX by number of movements - largest first
(Data publicly available via ACARS)
1. FlyBe (down 10% vs last Dec, but still nearly twice as many movements as FR)
2. Ryanair
3. bmibaby (down 30% vs last Dec)
4. Lufthansa (down less than 1% vs last Dec)
5. Cityjet (down less than 2% vs last Dec)
Dec 2008 - Top airlines @ BHX by number of movements - largest first
(Data publicly available via ACARS)
1. FlyBe (down 10% vs last Dec, but still nearly twice as many movements as FR)
2. Ryanair
3. bmibaby (down 30% vs last Dec)
4. Lufthansa (down less than 1% vs last Dec)
5. Cityjet (down less than 2% vs last Dec)
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Easyjet and others
I was under the impression that the 2 routes ex bhx were winter only. GVA and GNB, thus they are finishing in Apr. Obviously last year the GVA operated most of the year but stopped Oct Nov time. This year they are either not operating it year round or have possible made no decision at the present time.
Obviously there is speculation aboout a lot of airlines at this time of year and over the coming couple of months decisions will be made. Speculation I have heard are AI retuning along with Mahan Air, another middle eastern carrier out of EY and QR. TK going daily, FR going from 4 to 6 A/C, nothing confirmed either from FR or BHX mangt. This happens every year and keeps us all guessing year in year out. Reason for these types of forums I guess.
Regards Barry
Obviously there is speculation aboout a lot of airlines at this time of year and over the coming couple of months decisions will be made. Speculation I have heard are AI retuning along with Mahan Air, another middle eastern carrier out of EY and QR. TK going daily, FR going from 4 to 6 A/C, nothing confirmed either from FR or BHX mangt. This happens every year and keeps us all guessing year in year out. Reason for these types of forums I guess.
Regards Barry
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U S Airways Handling contact
Rumour has it that a number of servisair staff are packing their bags for the trip to PHL to carry out training with U S Airways. If this is true there will be some very disappointed people at aviance who had fingers crossed to get the much needed business.
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Ryanair @ BHX
Just my six pennyworth as a fairly frequent used of the KLM AMS flight.
Has anybody tried to get checked in with KLM/AF for the first flights out.
At the same time I think there are something like 5/6 Ryanair flights booking in with pax for all of them + the KLM/AF queue and it absolute chaos. This preluggage drop fiasco of KLM/AF to queue to get your boarding pass when there's only 4/5 machines (one of which was broken when last there) means a couple of hundred folk + baggage back to the coffee shop since the baggage drop is just a continuation of the boarding pass line. With only the occasional ground staff to explain to pax how to operate the machines the delays are astronomic. I arrived 3/4 hours before flight and it still took me over an hour to get to get a boarding pass - and I only had cabin baggage.
Waiting alongside the KLM/AF queue are the 5 separate lines for the FR flights (estimate another 200+) but the barriers delineating the lines are only about 20ft long so there's just one mass of pax not knowing if they're in the right line so they wander about trying to check. This entails trying to get hold baggage through 50/100 people and then back again. The pain in the ass is that FR pax get in the KLM/AF line (can't blame 'em with the lack of direction) and the odd ground staff who appear every now and again do not help. Not entirely their fault when you have Eastern European pax who don't speak any English.
As with the main terminal the check in area is far too small for the pax loads.
Increasing FR will destroy the excellent KLM service - pax will not put up with the congestion - unless BHX does what EMA have done and segregate FR/EZY in their own area. Might as well go to EMA! (and that's another story)
Has anybody tried to get checked in with KLM/AF for the first flights out.
At the same time I think there are something like 5/6 Ryanair flights booking in with pax for all of them + the KLM/AF queue and it absolute chaos. This preluggage drop fiasco of KLM/AF to queue to get your boarding pass when there's only 4/5 machines (one of which was broken when last there) means a couple of hundred folk + baggage back to the coffee shop since the baggage drop is just a continuation of the boarding pass line. With only the occasional ground staff to explain to pax how to operate the machines the delays are astronomic. I arrived 3/4 hours before flight and it still took me over an hour to get to get a boarding pass - and I only had cabin baggage.
Waiting alongside the KLM/AF queue are the 5 separate lines for the FR flights (estimate another 200+) but the barriers delineating the lines are only about 20ft long so there's just one mass of pax not knowing if they're in the right line so they wander about trying to check. This entails trying to get hold baggage through 50/100 people and then back again. The pain in the ass is that FR pax get in the KLM/AF line (can't blame 'em with the lack of direction) and the odd ground staff who appear every now and again do not help. Not entirely their fault when you have Eastern European pax who don't speak any English.
As with the main terminal the check in area is far too small for the pax loads.
Increasing FR will destroy the excellent KLM service - pax will not put up with the congestion - unless BHX does what EMA have done and segregate FR/EZY in their own area. Might as well go to EMA! (and that's another story)
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ShedsRus,
KLM/AF should move to T1 in March so FR pax will be out of your hair.
Swissport announced some redundancies at BHX earlier this week, not many (5?) but the shape of things to come?
S78
KLM/AF should move to T1 in March so FR pax will be out of your hair.
Swissport announced some redundancies at BHX earlier this week, not many (5?) but the shape of things to come?
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Ryanair Bratislava
Seems it has been suspended until Tuesday 31/3/2009.
I can't find anything bookable until then, at least it might help
the previous poster (only a little bit) if they fly on Tuesdays,
Thursday or Saturday morning.
These mornings will only see three Ryanair departures with the
based aircraft plus the Dublin at 0755.
Pete
I can't find anything bookable until then, at least it might help
the previous poster (only a little bit) if they fly on Tuesdays,
Thursday or Saturday morning.
These mornings will only see three Ryanair departures with the
based aircraft plus the Dublin at 0755.
Pete
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What can I say Ryanair is a cancer spreading across T2, Why not keep Ryan in T1 where there is a capacity for it and keep proper scheduled services in T2 after all that is what it was designed for! If the feared growth of Ryan happens and they dont just dissapear after the 12 month discounts happens, I dont think T2 can cope with 12 73's!