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BMIBaby at BHX
It is as if BMIBaby don't want their services from BHX to work? Why they ever dropped routes that were filled with fare paying passengers (and had been operated for many years by BAR and BACON) i.e. BCN, MAD, FCO etc. and continued to try and fill 737s on early afternoon departures to GLA, EDI and BFS was at the least strange, but now to drop their later evening services is a joke.
Maybe an excuse to close the BHX base? Run it down and then claim it unprofitable? More running from the competition?
Daza
Maybe an excuse to close the BHX base? Run it down and then claim it unprofitable? More running from the competition?
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Bazza rain on my parade???? Dont understand you! For the record Swissport has nothing to do with me! I was simply pointing out that most aviation related newspaper headlines are generally over exagerated with if we are lucky 2% of the truth in them! In fact from personal experience I am amazed that most papers get away with some of the stuff they publish, good job they dont have to work to the rules like the good folk of the aviation industry
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There are no plans to run the BHX base into the ground, although some of the commercial decisions would appear to indicate something different. In all fairness, there don't seem to be any plans at baby at all, we don't know what the company is going to look like, who we're going to be owned by etc. etc. Interesting, though nail-biting, times, sadly.
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With decisions like the ones made on BHX domestic routes and cutting of many long established routes they are only heading in one direction Im afraid! My family and I have used BMIBaby ex BHX for several leisure trips inc. PMI, PRG, AGP and GVA in the past and found the product to be well priced and of a good standard. Ryanair will be watching in the wings.
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Daza/all
I think the decision to cut EDI/GLA/BFS to twice daily based on loads
alone is justifiable if not inevitable but I agree that it is strange that
they have not gone that extramile to change the timings but I suppose
that there is only so much you can do at short notice.
The summer timings are fine and should work but I would imagine
Ryanair will be looking at a EDI especially as it is connecting two
bases.
As for Rome, Madrid & Lisbon there must be more to this than
meets the eye. As Daza has said and backed up by the CAA
stats they did well even in winter. Also the fares held up fairly
well when I was monitoring them last winter.
I suspect it is something to do with the block selling of seats to
agents or the lack off due to the current economic climate. if it
was pure fuel costs of the 733 then they would have returned
this summer, I would have thought.
Also legend has it that Rome FCO & Lisbon are not cheap airports
to operate from. Hopefully Madrid will be picked up by Ryanair &
possibly Rome although extra flights to CIA are almost impossible.
Pete
I think the decision to cut EDI/GLA/BFS to twice daily based on loads
alone is justifiable if not inevitable but I agree that it is strange that
they have not gone that extramile to change the timings but I suppose
that there is only so much you can do at short notice.
The summer timings are fine and should work but I would imagine
Ryanair will be looking at a EDI especially as it is connecting two
bases.
As for Rome, Madrid & Lisbon there must be more to this than
meets the eye. As Daza has said and backed up by the CAA
stats they did well even in winter. Also the fares held up fairly
well when I was monitoring them last winter.
I suspect it is something to do with the block selling of seats to
agents or the lack off due to the current economic climate. if it
was pure fuel costs of the 733 then they would have returned
this summer, I would have thought.
Also legend has it that Rome FCO & Lisbon are not cheap airports
to operate from. Hopefully Madrid will be picked up by Ryanair &
possibly Rome although extra flights to CIA are almost impossible.
Pete
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flybe at bhx
Just to add a bit of balance, I did say that flybe have trimmed their
services at bhx from the second week in January until the Feb half-
term school hoidays.
The word "trim" is quite mild looking at some services. EDI & GLA down
to four a day with six hour gaps in between on some days.
Most cuts seem logical as there are later services etc etc etc. A couple
are unusual with no Monday morning Inverness & Hamburg (reduced to 4
a week until mid Feb).
I understand the reduction on a Wednesday or even Tuesday but Monday
morning is an odd one, must be fleet considerations.
Even with all these cut-backs there are still thousands of extra seats
in the bhx market due to the Ryanair base. It will be interesting to see
the January pax figure, as FR have hardly cancelled any services the
last time I looked at their timetable.
Pete
services at bhx from the second week in January until the Feb half-
term school hoidays.
The word "trim" is quite mild looking at some services. EDI & GLA down
to four a day with six hour gaps in between on some days.
Most cuts seem logical as there are later services etc etc etc. A couple
are unusual with no Monday morning Inverness & Hamburg (reduced to 4
a week until mid Feb).
I understand the reduction on a Wednesday or even Tuesday but Monday
morning is an odd one, must be fleet considerations.
Even with all these cut-backs there are still thousands of extra seats
in the bhx market due to the Ryanair base. It will be interesting to see
the January pax figure, as FR have hardly cancelled any services the
last time I looked at their timetable.
Pete
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Volos Routes.
Hello All,
I am new to the forum and am sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this but here goes...
Does anyone know if there will be a route from BHX to Volos in Greece?
I had heard that Ryanair are starting one but can't find any information about it.
Thanks
I am new to the forum and am sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this but here goes...
Does anyone know if there will be a route from BHX to Volos in Greece?
I had heard that Ryanair are starting one but can't find any information about it.
Thanks
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As far as i'm aware Ryanair are not increasing the number of based aircraft at BHX this year (staying as 4) so I would very much doubt there will be a new flight to Volos, indeed I can foresee some cutbacks and trimming of services at the moment for summer 09.....I believe Volos has been operated in the past from BHX (Excel and/or Air Malta but i'm not sure), looking at the BHX online charter timetable it does not show for this summer
Hope this helps
As far as i'm aware Ryanair are not increasing the number of based aircraft at BHX this year (staying as 4) so I would very much doubt there will be a new flight to Volos, indeed I can foresee some cutbacks and trimming of services at the moment for summer 09.....I believe Volos has been operated in the past from BHX (Excel and/or Air Malta but i'm not sure), looking at the BHX online charter timetable it does not show for this summer
Hope this helps
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Volos/FR
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The Volos rumour came from an article in a Greek newspaper/magazine
and the destinations quoted were Stansted and Hahn. However if it
was accurate I would have thought BHX or EMA would have been
considered as well.
Like the last poster, I too have heard that the Ryanair party at bhx
is now on hold, which is bad news for BHX.
Only over the Christmas/New Year period their summer timetable was
amended to show Alicante daily and that five aircraft were based on
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday allbeit with gaps
in the schedule (FUE cessation was one).
However the booking engine is now showing Dinard only bookable until
end of June, NYO & GDN just once a week April-June, no Pisa until July from April, which all suggests they are in the process of updating.
We know of problems with FR at Palma and take that away, rearrange
a couple of other flights and it would easily become 4 based again.
Lets us hope not but things not looking good at present.
Pete
The Volos rumour came from an article in a Greek newspaper/magazine
and the destinations quoted were Stansted and Hahn. However if it
was accurate I would have thought BHX or EMA would have been
considered as well.
Like the last poster, I too have heard that the Ryanair party at bhx
is now on hold, which is bad news for BHX.
Only over the Christmas/New Year period their summer timetable was
amended to show Alicante daily and that five aircraft were based on
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday allbeit with gaps
in the schedule (FUE cessation was one).
However the booking engine is now showing Dinard only bookable until
end of June, NYO & GDN just once a week April-June, no Pisa until July from April, which all suggests they are in the process of updating.
We know of problems with FR at Palma and take that away, rearrange
a couple of other flights and it would easily become 4 based again.
Lets us hope not but things not looking good at present.
Pete
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bmi regional
Are to take over WW on the ABZ route. 3 X Daily originating in ABZ. Starting end of March. Flight info below taken direct from bmi.com
Birmingham International to Aberdeen Dyce , Friday 26 June 2009
BD1322
BD1326
BD1328
Aberdeen Dyce to Birmingham International , Monday 29 June 2009
BD1321
BD1325
BD1327
Regards
Barry
Birmingham International to Aberdeen Dyce , Friday 26 June 2009
flight number
departsarrivesBD1322
08:50
10:05
10:05
BD1326
16:15
17:30
17:30
BD1328
20:00
21:15
21:15
Aberdeen Dyce to Birmingham International , Monday 29 June 2009
flight number
departsarrivesBD1321
07:00
08:20
08:20
BD1325
14:25
15:45
15:45
BD1327
18:15
19:30
19:30
Regards
Barry
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FR expand @ BRS
12 new routes announced from BRS this morning, none so far served from BHX except Trieste and Reus. Guess this means more based a/c at BRS and surely more European destinations served than from BHX?
So, what news for BHX and FR, is the party already over
Are we really staying at just 4 based a/c, I thought the plan was an additional unit every 6 months?
So, what news for BHX and FR, is the party already over
Are we really staying at just 4 based a/c, I thought the plan was an additional unit every 6 months?
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OK I do need new glasses, didn't spot ALC, MLA and PGF in the list aswell.........would be nice to have Sevilla from BHX too, it certainly was a very up and coming citybreak before the R word came along
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December pax up! year up!
Part quote from the bhx website
"Birmingham International Airport had another record month in December, following November’s record. A total of 598,123 passengers travelled through Birmingham, taking advantage of the great routes it has to offer. There were 508,397 scheduled passengers and 89,726 charter passengers during December. This is an increase of 1.7%, making it the 8th record month during the last 12 month.
It was a record calendar year for Birmingham Airport as well, with an increase of 4.4% on passenger numbers over 2007 - with a total of 9,634,734 passengers travelling through. The previous record year was in 2005 which saw a total of 9,388,849 passengers pass through the Airport."
End of quote.
As for Ryanair, they have expanded quickly will good loads early on followed by some really indifferent ones (as well as not charging much).
They probably need to revisit their route profile from bhx although as it has been said many times they do need to avoid clashing with some of the EMA routes. Otherwise CIA, BGY, SXF would be operating now rather than some of the current ones.
I am surprised at no Venice and Madrid as there is only easyjet at EMA on the former and no competition on the latter in the Midlands.
The last check I made, Ryanair need five aircraft based on at least four days from April but a cancelled route here and some retimings there and four could be accommodated easy. The rumour of four based this summer is pretty compelling but it is ryanair remember and things change fast.
Pete
"Birmingham International Airport had another record month in December, following November’s record. A total of 598,123 passengers travelled through Birmingham, taking advantage of the great routes it has to offer. There were 508,397 scheduled passengers and 89,726 charter passengers during December. This is an increase of 1.7%, making it the 8th record month during the last 12 month.
It was a record calendar year for Birmingham Airport as well, with an increase of 4.4% on passenger numbers over 2007 - with a total of 9,634,734 passengers travelling through. The previous record year was in 2005 which saw a total of 9,388,849 passengers pass through the Airport."
End of quote.
As for Ryanair, they have expanded quickly will good loads early on followed by some really indifferent ones (as well as not charging much).
They probably need to revisit their route profile from bhx although as it has been said many times they do need to avoid clashing with some of the EMA routes. Otherwise CIA, BGY, SXF would be operating now rather than some of the current ones.
I am surprised at no Venice and Madrid as there is only easyjet at EMA on the former and no competition on the latter in the Midlands.
The last check I made, Ryanair need five aircraft based on at least four days from April but a cancelled route here and some retimings there and four could be accommodated easy. The rumour of four based this summer is pretty compelling but it is ryanair remember and things change fast.
Pete
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SAS/December route analysis
Another first today with BHX receiving the first regular service into the UK
of a SAS CR9. Okay in reality it is a downgade seat wise as it is on the old MD80 service but still it could preserve the service with a fuel burn close on half that of the Mad Dog.
December stats out with some big decreases on Brussels & Frankfurt,
with Dubai, Newark & Islamabad down as well.
Ryanair figures look bright with the odd exception, just a shame they never charged anything. Without FR the figures would have been unbelievably bad.
I will post some average loads in the next few days.
Pete
of a SAS CR9. Okay in reality it is a downgade seat wise as it is on the old MD80 service but still it could preserve the service with a fuel burn close on half that of the Mad Dog.
December stats out with some big decreases on Brussels & Frankfurt,
with Dubai, Newark & Islamabad down as well.
Ryanair figures look bright with the odd exception, just a shame they never charged anything. Without FR the figures would have been unbelievably bad.
I will post some average loads in the next few days.
Pete
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Only really cheap fares would work for the 'R' word to places such as CIA & BGY from BHX.
Last time I looked Baby were flying to the real Rome airport from BHX but, not doing LCC's, not even Baby to FCO could compete with the price, sociable flight schedules and level of service offered to MXP, a real Milan airport, and FCO by Swiss from BHX.
Last time I looked Baby were flying to the real Rome airport from BHX but, not doing LCC's, not even Baby to FCO could compete with the price, sociable flight schedules and level of service offered to MXP, a real Milan airport, and FCO by Swiss from BHX.
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December Route analysis
Here are few using the CAA pax figures but my estimates with the help
of acarsd. Some route had so many cancellations I have left them out until the punctuality stats are avaialble.
Billund/143 pax/75% - wow
Copenhagen/70 pax
Biarritz/130 pax/69%
Chambery/46 pax/59%
Grenoble/144 pax/87%
Perpignan/108 pax/57%
Hahn/136 pax/72%
Hanover/54 pax/64%
Neiderrheim/125 pax/66% probably higher!
Cork/105 pax/65%
Shannon/134 pax/71%
Bologna/116 pax/61%
Pisa/1772/89 pax/47%
Oporto/147 pax/78%
Alicante/138 pax/78%
Girona/120 pax/63%
Malaga/122 pax/68%
Murcia/137 pax/77%
Palma/127 pax/79%
Reus/113 pax/60%
Fuerteventura/147 pax/78%
Stockholm NYO/147 pax/76%
Oslo Torp/126 pax/66%
Istanbul/84 pax - strange heard some cracking loads
Prague/126 pax/79%
Kaunas/138 pax/73%
Bydgoszcz/147 pax/78%
Gdansk/125 pax/66%
Katowice/131 pax/70%
Krakow/141 pax/80%
Rzesnow/90 pax/47%
Szczcin/90 pax/48
Ashkahbad/134 pax/70%
Dubai/254 pax/71%
Islamabad/278 pax/75%
Newark/7808/139 pa/80%
The Istanbul must be due to the inbounds before Christmas which were low as several outbounds were 120+.
Dubai down, normally a good month for them. Ryanair had a mixed month with Scandinavia doing well (inbound shoppers?) but a couple of Polish routes struggling as well as Pisa (although fares usually hold up on PSA).
Pete
of acarsd. Some route had so many cancellations I have left them out until the punctuality stats are avaialble.
Billund/143 pax/75% - wow
Copenhagen/70 pax
Biarritz/130 pax/69%
Chambery/46 pax/59%
Grenoble/144 pax/87%
Perpignan/108 pax/57%
Hahn/136 pax/72%
Hanover/54 pax/64%
Neiderrheim/125 pax/66% probably higher!
Cork/105 pax/65%
Shannon/134 pax/71%
Bologna/116 pax/61%
Pisa/1772/89 pax/47%
Oporto/147 pax/78%
Alicante/138 pax/78%
Girona/120 pax/63%
Malaga/122 pax/68%
Murcia/137 pax/77%
Palma/127 pax/79%
Reus/113 pax/60%
Fuerteventura/147 pax/78%
Stockholm NYO/147 pax/76%
Oslo Torp/126 pax/66%
Istanbul/84 pax - strange heard some cracking loads
Prague/126 pax/79%
Kaunas/138 pax/73%
Bydgoszcz/147 pax/78%
Gdansk/125 pax/66%
Katowice/131 pax/70%
Krakow/141 pax/80%
Rzesnow/90 pax/47%
Szczcin/90 pax/48
Ashkahbad/134 pax/70%
Dubai/254 pax/71%
Islamabad/278 pax/75%
Newark/7808/139 pa/80%
The Istanbul must be due to the inbounds before Christmas which were low as several outbounds were 120+.
Dubai down, normally a good month for them. Ryanair had a mixed month with Scandinavia doing well (inbound shoppers?) but a couple of Polish routes struggling as well as Pisa (although fares usually hold up on PSA).
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Hello,
Do any of you think that there will be a flight to Athens in the winter in the near future?
all the airports in london fly to Greece and so does Manchester throughout the year.. Does anyone think a flight from bham is next?
Cheers
Do any of you think that there will be a flight to Athens in the winter in the near future?
all the airports in london fly to Greece and so does Manchester throughout the year.. Does anyone think a flight from bham is next?
Cheers
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Athens
gkaloy10
I only looked at the BHX - ATH figures the other week for the period Maersk operated it with 735's and CR7's and it was not great.
However things have moved on and two airlines could make this work in summer (possibly reduced frequency in winter) but neither are likely to happen unless things change. These are of course are easyjet and Ryanair but the former has no base at bhx and the latter have steered clear of Greece up to now.
Olympic I hear are looking to cut not add capacity and their onward network would do little to add passengers (perhaps to the Islands in summer no I doubt very much).
Therefore an Athens in 2009 would definitely be a surprise. Remember this is an airport with no direct links to Rome, Madrid, Lisbon, Berlin, Venice, Budapest and Warsaw, I think Athens would be well down the list especially for Loco's due to the fact it is three hours plus and (although easyjet seem comfortable with 3 hours plus now and FR have done FUE briefly from bhx!)
Pete
I only looked at the BHX - ATH figures the other week for the period Maersk operated it with 735's and CR7's and it was not great.
However things have moved on and two airlines could make this work in summer (possibly reduced frequency in winter) but neither are likely to happen unless things change. These are of course are easyjet and Ryanair but the former has no base at bhx and the latter have steered clear of Greece up to now.
Olympic I hear are looking to cut not add capacity and their onward network would do little to add passengers (perhaps to the Islands in summer no I doubt very much).
Therefore an Athens in 2009 would definitely be a surprise. Remember this is an airport with no direct links to Rome, Madrid, Lisbon, Berlin, Venice, Budapest and Warsaw, I think Athens would be well down the list especially for Loco's due to the fact it is three hours plus and (although easyjet seem comfortable with 3 hours plus now and FR have done FUE briefly from bhx!)
Pete