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RW - Without the cancer of Ryanair as you call it, I doubt BHX would have recorded any significant pax growth at all in 2008.......although I do agree, T1 on the occasions I fly through seems a lot quieter than it used to be (but with a much bigger security area), to put both of BHXs busiest carriers (in terms of pax and movements) into the smaller of the two terminals does seem bizzare and I have heard from friends who work there that check in/security is frequently chaotic. As you say, if 12 based a/c ever happens T2 will struggle as it stands now (I am amazed that security is still as it was in BA days) but surely there must be some plans in place to deal with this situation, isnt that one of the reasons why FR came to BHX??
As for FR themselves, I very much doubt they will disappear and in any case T2 itself was initially designed, down to the final nuts and bolts, for a certain 'worlds favourite' airline who have long since gone.
Why "the feared expansion", do you have a problem with FR (as so many people seem to do)?
As for FR themselves, I very much doubt they will disappear and in any case T2 itself was initially designed, down to the final nuts and bolts, for a certain 'worlds favourite' airline who have long since gone.
Why "the feared expansion", do you have a problem with FR (as so many people seem to do)?
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Ryan air is not a cancer
Cancer by and large tends to kill its host, to date Ryanair have not done that. I think the term ""a virus" would be more accurate in that it tends to degrade its host and infect those around it.
Ryanair are now at a tipping point at so many airports where for many they are the only show in town on many routes, this i think will increase so that like Dublin to almost anywhere (other than LHR) its Ryanair or don't fly there.
The big long term danger is that Ryanair will become in 5 years time the tail wagging the dog for airports/Boeing and customers alike, only MOL own arrogance will pull them up short, it will be interesting to see his next move now Aer Lingus have told him to Foxtrot Oscar, leaving him (Ryan) with 29% of AL which is about as much use as SAS 20% stake in loss making BMI
Ryanair are now at a tipping point at so many airports where for many they are the only show in town on many routes, this i think will increase so that like Dublin to almost anywhere (other than LHR) its Ryanair or don't fly there.
The big long term danger is that Ryanair will become in 5 years time the tail wagging the dog for airports/Boeing and customers alike, only MOL own arrogance will pull them up short, it will be interesting to see his next move now Aer Lingus have told him to Foxtrot Oscar, leaving him (Ryan) with 29% of AL which is about as much use as SAS 20% stake in loss making BMI
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BMI Baby Cork gone?
It seems the cull is continuing on an almost daily basis.
BMI Baby Cork only bookable until 28/3/09.
This means just four based units in April & May, help by the ABZ
changing to BMI.
June still sees five busy based units.
Cork down to five or six a week by Aer Lingus if this is accurate.
Other temp cutbacks include Lufthansa Munich - not operating
the last inbound Friday & Saturday and thus the following days
first outbound. Also Sunday morning first inbound is not currently
operating.
Also Just one BHX-GLA flight on a Saturday at present now that
Baby have cut theirs. Flybe go back to two in mid February though.
More to come no doubt.
Pete
BMI Baby Cork only bookable until 28/3/09.
This means just four based units in April & May, help by the ABZ
changing to BMI.
June still sees five busy based units.
Cork down to five or six a week by Aer Lingus if this is accurate.
Other temp cutbacks include Lufthansa Munich - not operating
the last inbound Friday & Saturday and thus the following days
first outbound. Also Sunday morning first inbound is not currently
operating.
Also Just one BHX-GLA flight on a Saturday at present now that
Baby have cut theirs. Flybe go back to two in mid February though.
More to come no doubt.
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Two more aircraft expected for FR in March delayed to Oct due to the trouble Boeing had last year delaying delivery...
As for them ruining anything. I think as long as you have a mix of traffic at an airport then FR can be contained.
As for them ruining anything. I think as long as you have a mix of traffic at an airport then FR can be contained.
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BHX Security Point
if 12 based a/c ever happens T2 will struggle as it stands now (I am amazed that security is still as it was in BA days) but surely there must be some plans in place to deal with this situation, isnt that one of the reasons why FR came to BHX??
I do have to question the phrase that FR can be contained, getting a mix of traffic is dependant on a level playing field, MOL is adept at getting the best deal he can for his airline often at the expence of others, he then uses that to "muscle" in on other airlines routes so it then becomes financially difficult for them to continue & they pull the plug leaving FR to rule that route. If you look at FR's history at EMA,LTN & STN you'll see that pattern.
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KLM/AF at BHX
S76 Thanks for that news - Terminal 1 are in for a shock if they don't get on the ball before FR move.
As I said - 1 is too small to check in 2/3 Monarchs, a couple of TC and a few Baby's. Witness the chaos when AI were checking in at the same time as the bucket and spade brigade. However with AI gone FR might just fit in.
I live in hope.
PS Any news on the replacement for AI or has the airline that was going to not got going yet? If not is it likely to in the present climate.
As I said - 1 is too small to check in 2/3 Monarchs, a couple of TC and a few Baby's. Witness the chaos when AI were checking in at the same time as the bucket and spade brigade. However with AI gone FR might just fit in.
I live in hope.
PS Any news on the replacement for AI or has the airline that was going to not got going yet? If not is it likely to in the present climate.
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KLM/AF to T1
S76 Apologies for the last post. The brain cell spring wound down and I couldn't find the key.
Obviously I got the thing a**e about face.
Thanks for the news still stands as does my PS if anybody knows the answer
Cheers
Obviously I got the thing a**e about face.
Thanks for the news still stands as does my PS if anybody knows the answer
Cheers
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PK to Servisair
Anybody heard or know if there is any truth in the rumour that PK handling is in the process of going to Servisair. Have heard that Servisair are currently recruiting for this contract.
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PK & others poss on move
BHX86 read the Swissport BHX thread in the Ground Op's forum & you'll see that there are a number of airlines ready to leave S/Port (if rumours are true) to go to pastures new (where grass is not always greener!!)
Also BHX rumour mill has certain airlines moving from S/air as well, however can you trust rumours???
Also BHX rumour mill has certain airlines moving from S/air as well, however can you trust rumours???
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Newquay
BmiBaby to launch Birmingham - Newquay!
Low cost airline, bmibaby, has today announced a new summer service to Newquay from Birmingham International Airport. The new service will operate from 22 May to 20 September 2009, on Tuesdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.
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WW Newquay
Is it just me or does anyone else find this new route - whilst welcome - a little strange? IIFC, WW operated the route in 2006, then BE did it last summer and both seemed to have low loads. Yet WW abandon routes such as MAD, LIS and FCO where they have a monopoly from BHX and decent loads. I appreciate loads does not equal yields and I also appreciate that some of the airports they have dropped might have high charges but I find their route planning a bit odd. Still, I guess they know what they are doing...
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Baby NQY + runway extension
That is a little bizzare, but all new routes welcome i guess.
Maybe banking on the British public staying in the UK this year due to the weak pound / recession etc. Fistral beach instead of Magaluf anyone?
Good luck to them, but how much extra do they charge for surf boards and deckchairs as extra luggage?
On another note, maybe I missed something but wasnt the proposed runway extension FINAL decision deferred on the December 15th 2008 to January 2009??
I thought there was a few environmental issues to be sorted but last I heard a decision would be made this month. As its the 28th now and alls quiet?
Anyone in the know?
Maybe banking on the British public staying in the UK this year due to the weak pound / recession etc. Fistral beach instead of Magaluf anyone?
Good luck to them, but how much extra do they charge for surf boards and deckchairs as extra luggage?
On another note, maybe I missed something but wasnt the proposed runway extension FINAL decision deferred on the December 15th 2008 to January 2009??
I thought there was a few environmental issues to be sorted but last I heard a decision would be made this month. As its the 28th now and alls quiet?
Anyone in the know?
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I heard that BIA need to address issues regarding the "Section 106" agreement between Solihull and BIA. Section 106 relates to the Town and Country planning act 1990.
There are a couple of issues with regards to trees with preservation orders that would become part of the Airports new footprint or boundary with expansion. Secondly, there is an issue with noise preferential routes of RW 15 departing aircraft. Ironically, the extra 400m extension won't affect the majority of ATM's at BHX. That will come in time, as and when airlines/aircraft start to go further east or west.
With BIA honouring the latest staff pay deal to the tune of 4.5%, can they afford to build an extension???
There are a couple of issues with regards to trees with preservation orders that would become part of the Airports new footprint or boundary with expansion. Secondly, there is an issue with noise preferential routes of RW 15 departing aircraft. Ironically, the extra 400m extension won't affect the majority of ATM's at BHX. That will come in time, as and when airlines/aircraft start to go further east or west.
With BIA honouring the latest staff pay deal to the tune of 4.5%, can they afford to build an extension???
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If bmibaby are reducing their routes from BHX might they do something about reducing their cr@ppy jingles on the monorail thingy to/from the train station?
And no, I/we don't want it replaced with anything from the 'R' word, how about something truly brummy like UB40?
And no, I/we don't want it replaced with anything from the 'R' word, how about something truly brummy like UB40?
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Today's Times indicates that certain airports may have their expansion plans cancelled if the Government accepts a report from the environmental group Campaign for Better Transport because additional flights, courtesy of the planned new third Heathrow runway will use up all the Carbon Allowances for the whole country .
Airports mentioned include East Midlands, Bristol, Luton, Edinburgh and Birmingham and both terminal and runway expansions would need to be scrapped.
The story is now also running in the Birmingham Post and says that the enlarged Heathrow will take up no less than two thirds of Britains entire carbon allowance by 2050 and will force regional airports to actually reduce the number of flights to cater for Heathrow's expansion.
Paul Kehoe, BHX CEO says 'it would be madness if Birmingham was to suffer at the expense of Heathrow'.
So it looks as if Solihull's planners and councillors can carry on dithering as there is a distinct possibility the Government will use this environmental carbon crap nonsense as an excuse to sit on those airports within travelling distance of Heathrow.
Mind you the Tories have promised to scrap Heathrow's Third Runway if they get to form next Government.
Hmm, now where should I put my 'X' on the ballot paper?
Airports mentioned include East Midlands, Bristol, Luton, Edinburgh and Birmingham and both terminal and runway expansions would need to be scrapped.
The story is now also running in the Birmingham Post and says that the enlarged Heathrow will take up no less than two thirds of Britains entire carbon allowance by 2050 and will force regional airports to actually reduce the number of flights to cater for Heathrow's expansion.
Paul Kehoe, BHX CEO says 'it would be madness if Birmingham was to suffer at the expense of Heathrow'.
So it looks as if Solihull's planners and councillors can carry on dithering as there is a distinct possibility the Government will use this environmental carbon crap nonsense as an excuse to sit on those airports within travelling distance of Heathrow.
Mind you the Tories have promised to scrap Heathrow's Third Runway if they get to form next Government.
Hmm, now where should I put my 'X' on the ballot paper?
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The chapter 106 agreement plans are going ahead nicely.
Matters for 106 agreement are..
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Future arrangements for achieving the Public Transport targets. Liaison with the NEC, on surface access issues.
The future arrangements for Aircraft Engine Ground Running.
Details around; the future of the Night Flying Policy, future Aircraft Track Keeping Targets and the future arrangements for changes to Airspace.
The development of:
A Strategy for future Employment and Training, including arrangements to assist with employment for those out of work in Birmingham, Solihull and the West Midlands.
A Carbon Management Plan to reduce future carbon emissions and consider concerns about Climate Change and A Tree Planting and Woodland Creation scheme
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The Heathrow problem is speculation and this lot have no chance of getting back into Government at the next election. IMO
Matters for 106 agreement are..
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Future arrangements for achieving the Public Transport targets. Liaison with the NEC, on surface access issues.
The future arrangements for Aircraft Engine Ground Running.
Details around; the future of the Night Flying Policy, future Aircraft Track Keeping Targets and the future arrangements for changes to Airspace.
The development of:
A Strategy for future Employment and Training, including arrangements to assist with employment for those out of work in Birmingham, Solihull and the West Midlands.
A Carbon Management Plan to reduce future carbon emissions and consider concerns about Climate Change and A Tree Planting and Woodland Creation scheme
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The Heathrow problem is speculation and this lot have no chance of getting back into Government at the next election. IMO
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Call 100
Sorry, but to someone who doesn't work at the Airport the progress seems to be agonisingly slow.
To be honest, to an outsider your list of 106 Agenda Items seems to have been assembled by a combination of Friends of the Earth, Greenpeace and the Environmental Groupies at BHX.
Two of the items:
A strategy for future Employment and Training, including arrangements to assist with employment for those out of work in Birmingham, Solihull and the West Midlands.
Also...
A Carbon Management Plan to reduce future carbon emissions and to consider concerns about Climate Change and a Tree Planting and Woodland Creation scheme.
The Seasonally Adjusted Unemployment Rate in Birmingham is already 10%.
Whilst the Airport has done its bit to reduce that level by taking on extra people in its Environmental Team it would be far more effective all round in reducing unemployment if it stopped talking and got on with the expansion.
As for the last item, the mind boggles, it shows every sign of a bunch of like-minded people sitting around a table at their first meeting and saying, 'Ok everyone, this meeting is the first of an indefinite series of meetings to address concerns surrounding the 106 Agreement and we have an open-ended remit to produce results which will be viewed as Environmentally Friendly in the long term.
Coffee, tea and biscuits are over there and we will break for lunch at 11.30 and reconvene at 2.30.
Ok then, firstly, the paper in front of you is for you to vote on which pub we will be using for our 2009 Christmas Dinner.
After you have all filled those in I suggest we take a short break which will bring us up to lunchtime.
Ah, Swampy, nice to see you again. Listen, if you dig any tunnels for God's sake don't undermine the staff carpark.'
Sorry, but to someone who doesn't work at the Airport the progress seems to be agonisingly slow.
To be honest, to an outsider your list of 106 Agenda Items seems to have been assembled by a combination of Friends of the Earth, Greenpeace and the Environmental Groupies at BHX.
Two of the items:
A strategy for future Employment and Training, including arrangements to assist with employment for those out of work in Birmingham, Solihull and the West Midlands.
Also...
A Carbon Management Plan to reduce future carbon emissions and to consider concerns about Climate Change and a Tree Planting and Woodland Creation scheme.
The Seasonally Adjusted Unemployment Rate in Birmingham is already 10%.
Whilst the Airport has done its bit to reduce that level by taking on extra people in its Environmental Team it would be far more effective all round in reducing unemployment if it stopped talking and got on with the expansion.
As for the last item, the mind boggles, it shows every sign of a bunch of like-minded people sitting around a table at their first meeting and saying, 'Ok everyone, this meeting is the first of an indefinite series of meetings to address concerns surrounding the 106 Agreement and we have an open-ended remit to produce results which will be viewed as Environmentally Friendly in the long term.
Coffee, tea and biscuits are over there and we will break for lunch at 11.30 and reconvene at 2.30.
Ok then, firstly, the paper in front of you is for you to vote on which pub we will be using for our 2009 Christmas Dinner.
After you have all filled those in I suggest we take a short break which will bring us up to lunchtime.
Ah, Swampy, nice to see you again. Listen, if you dig any tunnels for God's sake don't undermine the staff carpark.'
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Alvechurch,
Your cynical criticism of Call 100 is unfounded. I attended the planning meeting on 15th December, 2008 at which the Solihull MBC Planning Committee voted unanimously 9 - 0 to grant approval to the BHX proposals subject to the aforementioned constraints.
I and many observers in the public gallery were impressed by the professional manner of the proceedings, which lasted 4 hours including a short interval. Like many people I have sometimes doubted the abilities of councillors, but left the meeting feeling that the committee collectively had a good grasp of the issues.
The Airport team were highly professional in their approach.
Hopefully the matters in hand will soon be resolved.
BHXRWY33
Your cynical criticism of Call 100 is unfounded. I attended the planning meeting on 15th December, 2008 at which the Solihull MBC Planning Committee voted unanimously 9 - 0 to grant approval to the BHX proposals subject to the aforementioned constraints.
I and many observers in the public gallery were impressed by the professional manner of the proceedings, which lasted 4 hours including a short interval. Like many people I have sometimes doubted the abilities of councillors, but left the meeting feeling that the committee collectively had a good grasp of the issues.
The Airport team were highly professional in their approach.
Hopefully the matters in hand will soon be resolved.
BHXRWY33
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Alvechurch.
So little understanding of the planning process.
I suggest you look at 106 agreements for all sorts of planning applications, not just Airports.
That's the way they are worded. Not to forget that when it is signed, it will be a legally enforceable document.
Look on them as 'Legal bribes' Councils will always want something out of large projects. I don't see any of them as unreasonable in this day and age.
There's plenty of development work at the airport to be going on with whilst we wait.
The important thing is to get it right.
BHXRWY33.....Thank you.
So little understanding of the planning process.
I suggest you look at 106 agreements for all sorts of planning applications, not just Airports.
That's the way they are worded. Not to forget that when it is signed, it will be a legally enforceable document.
Look on them as 'Legal bribes' Councils will always want something out of large projects. I don't see any of them as unreasonable in this day and age.
There's plenty of development work at the airport to be going on with whilst we wait.
The important thing is to get it right.
BHXRWY33.....Thank you.