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Exactly - Red Wings!
They are BHX's fair weather friends! Happy to take the good stands and pushing some reliable partners out to the 80s. All best friends now - but another low cost deal or increased costs and they will pack their bags like last time.
However, as long as we know what they are and we take their custom all is fine until we start to rely on them.
They are BHX's fair weather friends! Happy to take the good stands and pushing some reliable partners out to the 80s. All best friends now - but another low cost deal or increased costs and they will pack their bags like last time.
However, as long as we know what they are and we take their custom all is fine until we start to rely on them.
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It could be said that bhx are already relying on ryanair if you look at
the November figures.
Pax up a few thousand despite ryanair adding about 120000 seats compared to November 2007.
I am sure BMI Baby would not have cut capacity quite so dramatically if Ryanair had not have added so many new routes but without FR this winter things would have been grim.
Also with tomorrows "D Day" looming I am sure Friends of the Earth would have made hay if say they were working on figures that Manchester,
Stansted or Gatwick returned for November 2008.
If nothing else it at least looks as if the airport is moving forward, which should partly help with the planning decision.
CAA stats also out tomorrow which will also reveal how individual routes are doing with some shockers expected.
Pete
the November figures.
Pax up a few thousand despite ryanair adding about 120000 seats compared to November 2007.
I am sure BMI Baby would not have cut capacity quite so dramatically if Ryanair had not have added so many new routes but without FR this winter things would have been grim.
Also with tomorrows "D Day" looming I am sure Friends of the Earth would have made hay if say they were working on figures that Manchester,
Stansted or Gatwick returned for November 2008.
If nothing else it at least looks as if the airport is moving forward, which should partly help with the planning decision.
CAA stats also out tomorrow which will also reveal how individual routes are doing with some shockers expected.
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Why all the doom mongering. If any airport in the world has the measure of Ryan Air it's BHX. They didn't fold to the blackmail last time and they won't again.
It's the way of the world now...Quick routes for quick profit. Many will come and many will go but the airport will still be here in 20 years time. It's not exactly a case of imminent collapse or anywhere near it.
It's the way of the world now...Quick routes for quick profit. Many will come and many will go but the airport will still be here in 20 years time. It's not exactly a case of imminent collapse or anywhere near it.
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Both!
I will post some averages if I have the time once the CAA publish them
this week. SZZ. TRF, BIQ, LDY had some poor loads at times but we will
have to wait and see how they averaged out over the month. EK were
up over 12% per the airport press release which sounds pretty good.
call100
Agreed it seems the way with ryanair, easy come easy go with some
of their routes.
This week is certainly not a week for doom-mongers.
TK start tomorrow, rumoured as an upgrade to a 321 for the first service
easyjet return daily on geneva and double daily Fri-Mon
easyjet returned to Grenoble yesterday
Ryanair start Cuneo & Grenoble next weekend, restart Palma, Rzesnow and
Krakow as well
flybe restart Chambery next week, three a week
Another flybe Q400 replaces a 145 on Friday (or should do).
Other than that pretty quiet.
Pete
Both!
I will post some averages if I have the time once the CAA publish them
this week. SZZ. TRF, BIQ, LDY had some poor loads at times but we will
have to wait and see how they averaged out over the month. EK were
up over 12% per the airport press release which sounds pretty good.
call100
Agreed it seems the way with ryanair, easy come easy go with some
of their routes.
This week is certainly not a week for doom-mongers.
TK start tomorrow, rumoured as an upgrade to a 321 for the first service
easyjet return daily on geneva and double daily Fri-Mon
easyjet returned to Grenoble yesterday
Ryanair start Cuneo & Grenoble next weekend, restart Palma, Rzesnow and
Krakow as well
flybe restart Chambery next week, three a week
Another flybe Q400 replaces a 145 on Friday (or should do).
Other than that pretty quiet.
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All best friends now - but another low cost deal or increased costs and they will pack their bags like last time
I don't see any other carriers on the horizon for BHX that could offer the same range of destinations or frequencies that FR currently do. OP is right, without FR, November pax figures would have been grim.
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Big day today........Planning application with Solihull Council at this evenings Planning committee......Buzz is that it should go through and no Public enquiry required...Hope so.
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So what should BIA do? "Sorry, FR, although you will be bringing in lots of pax, you might get the huff again one day so sorry, you can't come in"?
"Reliable partners" are a thing of the past, and as has been pointed out by posters with more insight than me, those halycon days have gone - thankfully in my opinion.
I do believe BA and AA were respected reliable partners, perhaps someone can tell me how much that counted for when they reviewed their BHX operations?
BHX has no influence over the FUE dispute and is by no means the only airport affected by it. Change the record.
So what should BIA do? "Sorry, FR, although you will be bringing in lots of pax, you might get the huff again one day so sorry, you can't come in"?
"Reliable partners" are a thing of the past, and as has been pointed out by posters with more insight than me, those halycon days have gone - thankfully in my opinion.
I do believe BA and AA were respected reliable partners, perhaps someone can tell me how much that counted for when they reviewed their BHX operations?
BHX has no influence over the FUE dispute and is by no means the only airport affected by it. Change the record.
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Planning committee and then what
If it gets past the Planning committee will it get built? Moving the A45 and the rest of the work is not going to be cheap. Ryanair will not pay more for a longer runway and all the airlines with long haul flights need them at Heathrow to keep slots.
BHX is going to lose routes as FR makes all the other airlines less profitable. They may have gone to Planning committee at just the right time but I cannot see the millions being spent of very little gain in the short term.
BHX is going to lose routes as FR makes all the other airlines less profitable. They may have gone to Planning committee at just the right time but I cannot see the millions being spent of very little gain in the short term.
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Befree get a grip.
This is potentially the best thing to happen to bhx and all u can say is that FR are not going to want it. Incase u have not noticed THY started a new service today. US are strating at BHX next summer and it is one of the only airports in the UK to show positive growth this year.
It has nothing to do with Ryanair or anyone else. It is the new owners who are pushing this through and it will provide the local economy with a massive boost and jobs right at the time when the UK is at an all time low econmoically.
Please stop slamming FR. They are an airline that provides pax through the door and have provided bhx with routes others would not even have looked at which can only be a positive thing.
Regards Barry
Support bhx runway extension.
This is potentially the best thing to happen to bhx and all u can say is that FR are not going to want it. Incase u have not noticed THY started a new service today. US are strating at BHX next summer and it is one of the only airports in the UK to show positive growth this year.
It has nothing to do with Ryanair or anyone else. It is the new owners who are pushing this through and it will provide the local economy with a massive boost and jobs right at the time when the UK is at an all time low econmoically.
Please stop slamming FR. They are an airline that provides pax through the door and have provided bhx with routes others would not even have looked at which can only be a positive thing.
Regards Barry
Support bhx runway extension.
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Anybody know when the general public are likely to find out about whether the extension has been given the go ahead.
I AM ALL FOR IT. BHX NEED NEW LONG HAUL ROUTES..
I AM ALL FOR IT. BHX NEED NEW LONG HAUL ROUTES..
Bazza,
You're absolutely right! Ryanair have no interest in the runway extension, and undoubtedly MO'L will be ranting if he feels that fees levied by BHX plc rise on the back of the project. However whether Ryanair stay or go at some stage in the future will suround the profitability of the base - that and nothing else.
BHX enjoys a good mix of "cheap and cheerful" to "full service" carriers, as indeed does Manchester. This mix comes about because both airports serve major business cities which demand more than point to point services for leisure travellers.
As this recession really starts to bite, and the pound plumbs yet lower depths, leisure travel is going to be hit hard, and airports such as BHX that have a healthy mix of carriers will win through against others, for example which rely far too heavily on this sector, and will when the dust settles, be well placed to resume growth.
The runway extension should, Solihull Planning Committee willing, be in place just in time to reap the full benefit of the upturn.
Fingers crossed.
You're absolutely right! Ryanair have no interest in the runway extension, and undoubtedly MO'L will be ranting if he feels that fees levied by BHX plc rise on the back of the project. However whether Ryanair stay or go at some stage in the future will suround the profitability of the base - that and nothing else.
BHX enjoys a good mix of "cheap and cheerful" to "full service" carriers, as indeed does Manchester. This mix comes about because both airports serve major business cities which demand more than point to point services for leisure travellers.
As this recession really starts to bite, and the pound plumbs yet lower depths, leisure travel is going to be hit hard, and airports such as BHX that have a healthy mix of carriers will win through against others, for example which rely far too heavily on this sector, and will when the dust settles, be well placed to resume growth.
The runway extension should, Solihull Planning Committee willing, be in place just in time to reap the full benefit of the upturn.
Fingers crossed.
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Good luck to Birmingham, It is doing well and somehow growing nicely in the economic situation. With the THY today, US Airways from May and extra Ryanair aircraft in 2009, it would be good to get a mix of new long haul flights, and maybe some more short haul flights in the future.
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To everyone who is obsessed by Ryan air......For goodness sake........
As I said before, If Ryan air pull out there will be a big hole there for a while. However, it won't be terminal and 20 years down the line the airport will still be there and still profitable. The days of everyone doing something for nothing are rapidly coming to a close.
The runway extension was thought of and the process gone through with absolutely no thought of Ryan air. The extension is far more important than an Irish airline and will enable to the airport to fill the hole left by anything MOL might try to do.
Ryan air will operate routes to wherever it can make a profit. Proof of this was it's retention of the Dublin route during the last MOL dummy spit. BHX knows this very well and is under no illusion as to it's relationship with them.
As I said before, If Ryan air pull out there will be a big hole there for a while. However, it won't be terminal and 20 years down the line the airport will still be there and still profitable. The days of everyone doing something for nothing are rapidly coming to a close.
The runway extension was thought of and the process gone through with absolutely no thought of Ryan air. The extension is far more important than an Irish airline and will enable to the airport to fill the hole left by anything MOL might try to do.
Ryan air will operate routes to wherever it can make a profit. Proof of this was it's retention of the Dublin route during the last MOL dummy spit. BHX knows this very well and is under no illusion as to it's relationship with them.
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For a £130m extension to be a viable buisness option it would need to increase the airports turnover massively. You would need to make a few million extra profit to make putting up the money worth while. After tax the airport made £12m on £109m turnover in 2006/7. To service a £130m extra debt would need around £10m free cash flow that would need maybe £30m more turnover due to extension. They would need about 20 extra long haul flights that needed the extension per day to make it viable. Spending £130m for a few US flights and a bit higher takeoff weigth on existing routes will not happen. You cannot have a little benift as it is either a big change or nothing.
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vote is taking place
A vote is taking place by councillors over a planned runway extension for Birmingham International Airport.
Solihull planning committee was due to meet over the proposed 400m runway extension on Monday evening.
Green Party Euro-candidate Chris Williams has said: "On climate change grounds alone it's enough reason to reject this planning application." But airport managing director Paul Kehoe has said the move is vital to help increase long-haul flights.
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BBC news said result was that extension was going to be approved "in principle" but a final decision would be made in the New year on submission of environmental package of plans.
This sounds like the good news we are hoping for!
This sounds like the good news we are hoping for!
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This sounds like the good news we are hoping for!
As a guest in this country, I do find it amazing that the airport serving the second biggest city in this country is as small as BHX - this is a great step in the right direction.
Thinking outside of the box for a second, surely there is a great enviromental argument to have it lengthened in the first place - longer runway means more de-rated take off's, less emissions and less noise. Not to mention the increased safety factor for non standard landings and RTO's.
It might even ease the load at LHR, opening up slots for something else....
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Update
This is the content of the first press releases out now - not as positive sounding as the BBC news report but I'm optimistic this is the precursor to a positive decision
Solihull Council set to back runway extension
Dec 15 2008
SOLIHULL Council tonight said it was likely to back plans to extend the runway at Birmingham International Airport.
After a lengthy meeting of Solihull Council, members decided they would defer a final decision until they had received assurances that environmental concerns, including possible noise disruption for local residents, could be dealt with.
Business leaders and the airport say an extension is vital to bring in larger areoplanes to the city's airport.
Solihull Council set to back runway extension
Dec 15 2008
SOLIHULL Council tonight said it was likely to back plans to extend the runway at Birmingham International Airport.
After a lengthy meeting of Solihull Council, members decided they would defer a final decision until they had received assurances that environmental concerns, including possible noise disruption for local residents, could be dealt with.
Business leaders and the airport say an extension is vital to bring in larger areoplanes to the city's airport.