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Merry go around
Swiss now come under the LH contract so whoever handles this will persumable get Swiss. At the moment aviance hold this contract.
Centralwings divert contract is Aviances' and also handled elsewhere by Aviance so guessing it will be them. Possibly to early at the moment.
TOM/FCA again I would say servisair have this sorted as it is there main multiple a/c contract and thus they would not give it up without a fight.
Barry
Centralwings divert contract is Aviances' and also handled elsewhere by Aviance so guessing it will be them. Possibly to early at the moment.
TOM/FCA again I would say servisair have this sorted as it is there main multiple a/c contract and thus they would not give it up without a fight.
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Aden Murcutt strikes again.....
Whilst I hope that the Whoosh Dundee service does indeed get back in the air again, the following comments from the ever entertaining Mr Murcutt do not exactly inspire confidence. Has this man thought about geting a job in PR - or maybe as Pam Ann's support act, perhaps the little boy who never quite achieved his airline dream
Now theres a get out clause if ever I read one! Only an airline when it suits then??
An aircraft has become ill - this man should be writing kids books!!
What??????
The original pilot and engineer weren't not good enough?? Encourage people to believe???
I really do applaud the mans efforts and as I said I hope the flight restarts as all the feedback I have heard about Whoosh so far has been very positive. And good luck to those chasing refunds for the cancelled flights this week
He said in effect flyWhoosh was not an airline but an agency selling tickets for White Eagle Aviation, who, he suggested, would be liable for any monies owed.
“We have been selling tickets for a Polish airline. The aircraft they have based with us has become exceedingly ill and basically without notice they decided to call it a day......We have now got a new operator that will start on Monday, the 17th, flying the same routes at the same times.
“If we can encourage people to believe the new operator is a completely different company—different pilot, different manager, engineer, different everything except routes and timetables—then I am fairly confident that customers will see it has become reliable again.”
The original pilot and engineer weren't not good enough?? Encourage people to believe???I really do applaud the mans efforts and as I said I hope the flight restarts as all the feedback I have heard about Whoosh so far has been very positive. And good luck to those chasing refunds for the cancelled flights this week
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Not quite sure why Lufthansa would be interested in leaving aviance, as far as I'm aware all the carriers handled by them, particularly baby, are impressed with the service being received. I'd imagine LH would have to receive a substantially reduced price to move across, though can see the benefits in LH/LX having the same handling agent. Would LH consider a move to Terminal 2?
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There is a story doing the rounds that Air India has chosen Munich as its European hub. That as part of the deal it will have parking space for up to 30 aircraft and has won substantial concessions in parking charges, landing fees and ground handling charges. If true does this put BHX's Air India flights in doubt, the onward flights to Toronto at least must be vulnerable.
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My guess would be less than two years (if not a lot sooner) for the Toronto leg.
Another forum mentions time changes to be announced shortly.
As for a stand-alone Air India BHX-ATQ, I am not sure. Large Sikh
populations in Birmingham, Coventry & Leamington will provide the
leisure pax but as for "up front", I have no idea. The CAA stats for
ATQ/DEL - BHX are no use as the service is no more than a glorified
fuel stop.
Jet are getting the numbers (possibly not yield) on the LHR-ATQ and maybe they might give it a go if Air India retreat. There is still no Jet
ATQ-BRU as yet but of course there is a code-share in place for other
flights with SN on the BHX-BRU leg and that might be a less of a risk
than direct ATQ-BHX.
Pete
Another forum mentions time changes to be announced shortly.
As for a stand-alone Air India BHX-ATQ, I am not sure. Large Sikh
populations in Birmingham, Coventry & Leamington will provide the
leisure pax but as for "up front", I have no idea. The CAA stats for
ATQ/DEL - BHX are no use as the service is no more than a glorified
fuel stop.
Jet are getting the numbers (possibly not yield) on the LHR-ATQ and maybe they might give it a go if Air India retreat. There is still no Jet
ATQ-BRU as yet but of course there is a code-share in place for other
flights with SN on the BHX-BRU leg and that might be a less of a risk
than direct ATQ-BHX.
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I dont think there is much doubt about the market from BHX to Amritsar/India.
This is evidenced by the 8 flights a week by Turkmenisatn and Uzbekistan before the arrival of Air India, not to mention the flights by other fringe operators.
I think that Air India operated from BHX because of the loads on the other carriers.
Perhaps the yield was not to great but the market was there.
It wouldnt take long for someone else to move in or for the local travel agets to set up something similar to the Slovak operation again.
I bet Turkmenistan would love it.
Centre cties
This is evidenced by the 8 flights a week by Turkmenisatn and Uzbekistan before the arrival of Air India, not to mention the flights by other fringe operators.
I think that Air India operated from BHX because of the loads on the other carriers.
Perhaps the yield was not to great but the market was there.
It wouldnt take long for someone else to move in or for the local travel agets to set up something similar to the Slovak operation again.
I bet Turkmenistan would love it.
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The yields on AI are fantastic, I have friends that have tried to book business class with little or no success. Same for Emirates, our Sikh friends seem to like to ride in style!!
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I can second that comment for Emirates. My friend got bumped about a month ago on a flight back from BKK (via DXB) - was offered business on BKK - DXB; but told no way from DXB to BHX as it was always sold out!
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I've never flown from BHX to DEL, but I've flown numerous times from LHR to DEL on AI, BA, VS, TG and EK via DXB, and every flight has has had very good occupancy in business and first class.
I would have thought if AI ever pulled their route from BHX to India (unlikely, IMHO), Jet Airways would fill the gap pretty quickly.
I would have thought if AI ever pulled their route from BHX to India (unlikely, IMHO), Jet Airways would fill the gap pretty quickly.
Tui Fly Pulls Out Early
Seems that TUIFLY are pulling out even earlier than first announced. My reservations for travel on week 3 next year have been changed to MAN (which I have declined). I'm sorry to see them go but, having seen the poor loads every time I flew the route, it was only to be expected. Now only left with Brussels A/L ex BRU or Flybe ex DUS. Brussels A/L wins.
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HeliCraig said:I can second that comment for Emirates. My friend got bumped about a month ago on a flight back from BKK (via DXB) - was offered business on BKK - DXB; but told no way from DXB to BHX as it was always sold out!
Last year Emirates said that they would consider a 3rd Daily to DXB when the time was right. Perhaps sooner rather than later on that evidence.
Last year Emirates said that they would consider a 3rd Daily to DXB when the time was right. Perhaps sooner rather than later on that evidence.
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Bye Bye TuiFly
Website will not allow flights to be booked from BHX after 13th Jan 08, shame to see another route go down the drain.
RE LH & the normal H/A merry-go round, Financially changing at this time would make no sense they currently get one of the best deals in the UK re T/rounds & irs never easy changing when you use a C/I system that is your own & quite complicated (its not that long since they changed systems anyway), staff training is an issue & it takes time to get staff "up to speed" a mistake that Flybe found to their cost a couple of years ago.
If Swiss move, OK ,if not, still OK contracts change! its the nature of the business but there's still enough work to keep us all busy
RE LH & the normal H/A merry-go round, Financially changing at this time would make no sense they currently get one of the best deals in the UK re T/rounds & irs never easy changing when you use a C/I system that is your own & quite complicated (its not that long since they changed systems anyway), staff training is an issue & it takes time to get staff "up to speed" a mistake that Flybe found to their cost a couple of years ago.
If Swiss move, OK ,if not, still OK contracts change! its the nature of the business but there's still enough work to keep us all busy
Why not use bmi into EMA from CGN?
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The West Midlands economic strategy under the title 'Connecting to Success' has been published this week. In it it makes the following statement ' Birmingham International handles the highest proportion of business traffic in the UK after Heathrow'
What does this mean?
Is it the second highest proportion of all business traffic out of total UK business traffic or The airport with the second highest proportion of business traffic as a proportion of its total traffic.
Either way strikes me as a bit dubious.
What does this mean?
Is it the second highest proportion of all business traffic out of total UK business traffic or The airport with the second highest proportion of business traffic as a proportion of its total traffic.
Either way strikes me as a bit dubious.
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Hazarding a guess - second highest proportion of bus pax; as a proportion of the total pax of the airport.
If you think about it, it is not that surprising really....
Gatwick tends to have long haul charter type ops (maybe Zoom an exception).
East Mids is largely Freight and LoCo (FR et al)
Luton is mainly Loco (Easy)
Bournemouth / Coventry / Bristol (and other smaller regional's) are mainly Loco too......
...and LoCo is probably assumed to be largely holiday type Pax (although I know a lot of people who use them for bus).
I guess thinking about it I am a bit surprised MAN didn't win the title; or may EDI/GLA ??
Just my two penneth worth!
If you think about it, it is not that surprising really....
Gatwick tends to have long haul charter type ops (maybe Zoom an exception).
East Mids is largely Freight and LoCo (FR et al)
Luton is mainly Loco (Easy)
Bournemouth / Coventry / Bristol (and other smaller regional's) are mainly Loco too......
...and LoCo is probably assumed to be largely holiday type Pax (although I know a lot of people who use them for bus).
I guess thinking about it I am a bit surprised MAN didn't win the title; or may EDI/GLA ??
Just my two penneth worth!
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Yep, completely forgot about LCY! I would have thought that would have walked away with the title hands down; but perhaps due to their size they only get short haul stuff in and that contains high % leisure pax?
I know relatives that have flown out of their with Swiss to connect elsewhere (Geneva I think from memory, it was 2 years ago) for New York! The price was fantastic.
Or perhaps the statistic is incorrect!
I know relatives that have flown out of their with Swiss to connect elsewhere (Geneva I think from memory, it was 2 years ago) for New York! The price was fantastic.
Or perhaps the statistic is incorrect!