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It now appears that Carcassone in France is the new route and not a Spanish airport as previously advised. Tomorrow will tell. More significantly the fact that it will be Cork's 1st Ryanair route is very significant. Heard recently that EI are bracing themselves for more competition at Cork.
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Carcassonne!? 
Well that's a major disappointment
I could think of 50 other potential destinations before I'd reach Carcassonne on my list....
And shur they fly to Carcassonne from Shannon??! Is it really that hot of a destination?
I wonder will they W it from another base, or will they drop a couple of Dublin rotations to fit in a 2 weekly Cork - Carcassonne.
**** sake! Why don't they start Cork - Charleroi instead of Carcassonne?
Okay, okay, I should be happy that Ryanair are actually expanding at Cork, despite their discontent with the management and charges.
Well that's a major disappointment
I could think of 50 other potential destinations before I'd reach Carcassonne on my list....And shur they fly to Carcassonne from Shannon??! Is it really that hot of a destination?
I wonder will they W it from another base, or will they drop a couple of Dublin rotations to fit in a 2 weekly Cork - Carcassonne.
**** sake! Why don't they start Cork - Charleroi instead of Carcassonne?
Okay, okay, I should be happy that Ryanair are actually expanding at Cork, despite their discontent with the management and charges.
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Carcassonne is alright. The citadel is a bit over-rated, but it's the gateway to a lovely part of France. Would have prefered Toulouse in that area, but Ryanair are never going to fly there.
Looking at how it will be served, the possibilities are:-
-An extra aircraft in Cork (Unlikely or it wouldn't just be one route being announced)
-Carcassonne to become a Ryanair base (Unlikely because I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere here)
-Dublin/Gatwick rotations to be dropped (Unlikely because two will have to be dropped to facilitate one route and because O'Leary's ego couldn't take O Ceidigh's gloating)
-Some Dublin rotations to be operated by a Dublin-based aircraft (More likely, but I don't know of any availability to do that)
-A W pattern from some other Ryanair base (Probably the most likely option)
That said, with the Stansted, East Midlands and Prestwick rotations operates by aircraft based at those airports, it could be possible to base an additional aircraft in Cork without too much expansion. I'd still expect more than just a single route in those circumstances though.
Looking at how it will be served, the possibilities are:-
-An extra aircraft in Cork (Unlikely or it wouldn't just be one route being announced)
-Carcassonne to become a Ryanair base (Unlikely because I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere here)
-Dublin/Gatwick rotations to be dropped (Unlikely because two will have to be dropped to facilitate one route and because O'Leary's ego couldn't take O Ceidigh's gloating)
-Some Dublin rotations to be operated by a Dublin-based aircraft (More likely, but I don't know of any availability to do that)
-A W pattern from some other Ryanair base (Probably the most likely option)
That said, with the Stansted, East Midlands and Prestwick rotations operates by aircraft based at those airports, it could be possible to base an additional aircraft in Cork without too much expansion. I'd still expect more than just a single route in those circumstances though.
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That said, with the Stansted, East Midlands and Prestwick rotations operates by aircraft based at those airports, it could be possible to base an additional aircraft in Cork without too much expansion. I'd still expect more than just a single route in those circumstances though.
Even then a 3x week service seems strange. What would the a/c do for the other 4 days? The new destinations work well timing wise for ORK crew, as only minor changes would be needed. The rotations could work something like this;
0810-0920 ORK-EMA
0945-1055 EMA-ORK (a well positioned service to scoop up day returns with WW-even as it currently stands)
1115-1225 ORK-PIK
1250-1400 PIK-ORK
1425-1735 ORK-CCF/???
1800-1915 CCF/???-ORK
1940-2040 ORK-LPL
2105-2210 LPL-ORK
EMA & PIK are only 6 weekly, so there is a possibility that up to 5 stages of suitable length for European routes could be available, or 4 with a twice weekly UK rotation. Im not sure if FR would rather have the LPL service in place of CCF or not.
If FR were to base a second a/c at ORK daily rotations could look like this;
ORK-DUB 5X Daily (4ORK, 1DUB)
ORK-STN 3X Daily (STN)
ORK-LGW 1X Daily (ORK)
ORK-LPL 1X Daily (ORK)
ORK-EMA 6X Week (ORK)
ORK-PIK 6X Week (ORK)
ORK-CCF 3X Week (ORK)
ORK-XXX 5x Week
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Are we going to see two planes based in Cork with a gradual annoucement of extra routes as on the current timetable the Summer 08 wednesday departures are 0740 ORK/DUB and 0740 ORK/CCF with no arrival from UK or DUB early enough to service this timetable.
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I can see logic in Carcassonne. The western half of France has always been popular with Irish holidaymakers and yet Carcassonne is just beyond where you'd consider driving to.
It's also possible that it's a route that only narrowly failed from Shannon and while it's being cancelled there, it presents a good opportunity to see if Corkcan offer better yields than Shannon.
It's also possible that it's a route that only narrowly failed from Shannon and while it's being cancelled there, it presents a good opportunity to see if Corkcan offer better yields than Shannon.
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It did not fail from Shannon in any sense.
Loads were averaging at 90%. Yields were excellent
Only reason its seasonal is, who wants to to there during Winter?
Do REA still operate Cork-Lorient?
It did not fail from Shannon in any sense.
Loads were averaging at 90%. Yields were excellent
Only reason its seasonal is, who wants to to there during Winter?
Do REA still operate Cork-Lorient?
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It's also possible that it's a route that only narrowly failed from Shannon and while it's being cancelled there, it presents a good opportunity to see if Cork can offer better yields than Shannon.
The DUB routes are still on sale as normal.....its quite strange.
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I was under the impression that it wasn't going to be back next summer from Shannon.
However, if the yields and loads are as high as you suggest, that would be another reason for thinking it could succeed from Cork.
However, if the yields and loads are as high as you suggest, that would be another reason for thinking it could succeed from Cork.
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Why on earth would you have such an assumption? Its an ill-educated one, my guess! Shannon has no connection whatsoever, apart from being x distance away from each other!
Ryanair have started PIK and EMA from Cork. Yes, we all think "it will dilute Shannon loads etc"....however, they have matured from Shannon hence allowing Cork expansion
Ryanair have started PIK and EMA from Cork. Yes, we all think "it will dilute Shannon loads etc"....however, they have matured from Shannon hence allowing Cork expansion
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I'm more and more convinced that to facilitate the Carcassonne route in June, July and August, that we'll see Dublin rotations disappearing from Cork schedule: 2 on Wednesday morning, 2 on Saturday evening and 1 on Sunday morning.
And it only makes sense too. The Dublin route is not profitable, so best reuse the aircraft to try to make a profit.
Anyway, the lost weekend rotations will be back in time for the All-Ireland finals, when half of Cork will be needing to travel to Croke Park to support the Rebels
And it only makes sense too. The Dublin route is not profitable, so best reuse the aircraft to try to make a profit.
Anyway, the lost weekend rotations will be back in time for the All-Ireland finals, when half of Cork will be needing to travel to Croke Park to support the Rebels
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If the players strike isn't fixeds soon the Cork teams won't be going very far in 2008. Can't see Ryanair conceding to Aer Arann on this route, also its yields and loads are hightest at Weekends when 2 of the Cascaronne flights operate.
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I think it’s fairly safe to say it’s the ORK aircraft that’ll be doing CCF. The one CCF rotation is scheduled for exactly the same time block as the 2 DUB rotations that it seems to be replacing.
Work-wise for the pilots it’ll be:
Wed & Sun early: ORK-CCF-ORK-LGW-ORK
Wed & Sun late: ORK-DUB-ORK-DUB-ORK
Sat early: ORK-DUB-ORK-DUB-ORK-LGW-ORK
Sat late: ORK-CCF-ORK
It seems more a matter now of whether the affected summer DUB rotations will be dropped or operated by a DUB based aircraft.
Work-wise for the pilots it’ll be:
Wed & Sun early: ORK-CCF-ORK-LGW-ORK
Wed & Sun late: ORK-DUB-ORK-DUB-ORK
Sat early: ORK-DUB-ORK-DUB-ORK-LGW-ORK
Sat late: ORK-CCF-ORK
It seems more a matter now of whether the affected summer DUB rotations will be dropped or operated by a DUB based aircraft.
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It seems more a matter now of whether the affected summer DUB rotations will be dropped or operated by a DUB based aircraft.
Although I much prefer to have less Ryanair passengers if it means more Ryanair destinations.
Eitherway, I think that Carcassonne with succeed in attracting a high load factor, and suppressing a couple of Dublin rotations might drive up the load factor on the remaining Dublin flights (particularly on Aer Arann's Dublin flights).
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I note Irish Rail are talking about a frequency increase (1 each way) on Cork-Dublin on Sundays next year. Does the train affect the plane or have both markets grown?
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Great to see a new route from Cork. Can't deny that I'm surprised at the choice of Carcassonne but I'm sure it'll do very well considering that it'll only really operate for the peak months of June, July and August. The other Cork-France flights (Cork-Paris CDG, Nice, Nantes and Lorient) all do very well, and Brittany Ferries still do surprisingly well on their Cork-Brittany route so I'm sure the new Carcassonee flight will be popular. I doubt that FR will just axe all those Cork-Dublin rotations. The Wednesday morning ones in particular are very unlikely to be axed and will most likely be operated by a Dublin based aircraft. Ryanair loads on Cork-Dublin have improved of late and I can't see them taking the pressure off Aer Arann just when they finally seem to be doing well on the route. It will not go down well with the business travellers if theres no Wednesday morning flights and they'll be straight off to Aer Arann.