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BACF Have also announced the following changes to there W14 schedule
ABZ - Route Suspended from 26OCT14
ARN - Route Suspended from 26OCT14
DUB - Resumes 27OCT14 with Flights op up to 5 x daily.
EDI - Will increase to up to 11 x Daily
GLA - Will increase to up to 8 x Daily
GRX - Will operate a reduced Schedule
PMI - Will operate a reduced Schedule
VCE - Route becomes Summer Seasonal will not operate W14. Resumes March 2015
Further changes possible in coming months
ABZ - Route Suspended from 26OCT14
ARN - Route Suspended from 26OCT14
DUB - Resumes 27OCT14 with Flights op up to 5 x daily.
EDI - Will increase to up to 11 x Daily
GLA - Will increase to up to 8 x Daily
GRX - Will operate a reduced Schedule
PMI - Will operate a reduced Schedule
VCE - Route becomes Summer Seasonal will not operate W14. Resumes March 2015
Further changes possible in coming months
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Bit of a surprise. BA have just taken delivery of three brand-new Embraer 190s, and there doesn't seem to have been that much schedule increase to use them, let alone these cancellations.
It does appear that for business travellers from GLA/EDI to London, long the staple of the trunk routes from Scotland to Heathrow compared to a lesser number on board transiting at Heathrow, they are progressively moving from Heathrow to City, notwithstanding that they may be heading for the West End or elsewhere rather than just The City/Canary Wharf. Of course, BA moving their terminal at Heathrow several miles further out (if you are going out on the M4 motorway) from Central London, to T5 rather than T1, didn't help. Heathrow congestion, the T5 timewasting shops slalom, and the Conformance nonsense aimed at those travelling halfway round the world from a gate down the Transit rather than a quick shuttle, all didn't help.
It does appear that for business travellers from GLA/EDI to London, long the staple of the trunk routes from Scotland to Heathrow compared to a lesser number on board transiting at Heathrow, they are progressively moving from Heathrow to City, notwithstanding that they may be heading for the West End or elsewhere rather than just The City/Canary Wharf. Of course, BA moving their terminal at Heathrow several miles further out (if you are going out on the M4 motorway) from Central London, to T5 rather than T1, didn't help. Heathrow congestion, the T5 timewasting shops slalom, and the Conformance nonsense aimed at those travelling halfway round the world from a gate down the Transit rather than a quick shuttle, all didn't help.
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From what I can see the E190's are flat out and the next is to replace the Saab on RTM....looks like the route drops are purely to start DUB and increase EDI and GLA. GLA looks like 9 on some days too?
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As I pointed out on the Aberdeen thread there isn't a lot of business traffic to Aberdeen from the City or Canary Wharf
banks etc deal with head offices and there are few of those in Aberdeen
Shell, BP, Total, Statoil etc are all HQ'd elsewhere and since Dana were bought out by KNOC the big finances are handled in Seoul
Wood Group are the only significant company I can think of.......
The other major employers are local Govt, education & health - none of which generates a lot of interest from the Masters of the Universe
banks etc deal with head offices and there are few of those in Aberdeen
Shell, BP, Total, Statoil etc are all HQ'd elsewhere and since Dana were bought out by KNOC the big finances are handled in Seoul
Wood Group are the only significant company I can think of.......
The other major employers are local Govt, education & health - none of which generates a lot of interest from the Masters of the Universe
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. . . Sky "who" ?
long the staple of the trunk routes from Scotland to Heathrow compared to a lesser number on board transiting at Heathrow, they are progressively moving from Heathrow to City
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So if I am not mistaken, Cityjet is now down to eight fully-fledged destinations: ANR, NTE, ORY, DRS, AMS, RTM, DUB, FLR (AVN, BES, BVE, TLN are only twice weekly and/or seasonal)
BACF has now started to attack Cityjet on two of their three most important remaining routes, RTM and DUB. They have also moved in on them on the FLR and AMS route and Cityjet is now also facing indirect competion on the ANR route from SEN by Stobart. In addition to the KL/AF-sponsored routes to AMS and ORY, only NTE and DRS appear to be relatively "safe", although these two are low-frequency, off-peak and leisure oriented routes.
I guess if Cityjet does not survice the bloodbath on the DUB and RTM routes, the outlook for them is rather bleak.
BACF has now started to attack Cityjet on two of their three most important remaining routes, RTM and DUB. They have also moved in on them on the FLR and AMS route and Cityjet is now also facing indirect competion on the ANR route from SEN by Stobart. In addition to the KL/AF-sponsored routes to AMS and ORY, only NTE and DRS appear to be relatively "safe", although these two are low-frequency, off-peak and leisure oriented routes.
I guess if Cityjet does not survice the bloodbath on the DUB and RTM routes, the outlook for them is rather bleak.
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Not really the way to meet new competition. Do CityJet's new owners have a clue, and is this part of what BA are moving in against ?
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I have to relate that, for the first time ever, I declined a flight out of LCY on the basis of it being too expensive. Well used to the fare levels from there, they seem to have climbed well upwards recently, and £488 return on a domestic flight to Glasgow on BA (economy) was just a fare too far to even suggest to the client who was paying. Easyjet, similar times from Stansted, was well under half that. I suppose the only upside of being able to garner such high prices, if the demand is there, is that it will help out Cityjet from their finances.
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Back in LCY as the next trip fares were more reasonable again. But I just have to share a little gem about the check-in machines in the terminal entrance. These common-user machines check you in for most flights, so are presumably airport rather than airline property.
Start it off by scanning passport. It can't work out which pax I might be from my name, so next question is "type the first 3 letters of your destination". So I key in DUB.
Now just guess where I am going, from LCY. And which airport starting "DUB" is on the departures board. And think what code my bag tag is about to get. And it comes up with a likely list of names for my destination. And the first shown in the list, and thus the default, is ...........
Dubuque, Iowa
I mean, it's not even as if it comes first alphabetically, is it ?
Start it off by scanning passport. It can't work out which pax I might be from my name, so next question is "type the first 3 letters of your destination". So I key in DUB.
Now just guess where I am going, from LCY. And which airport starting "DUB" is on the departures board. And think what code my bag tag is about to get. And it comes up with a likely list of names for my destination. And the first shown in the list, and thus the default, is ...........
Dubuque, Iowa
I mean, it's not even as if it comes first alphabetically, is it ?
I'm speculating here, but is it possible that the software used by the check in terminal was written by a company based in N. America or the software was sold predominantly for use in terminals situated in N America ?
If so, it would be natural for the software to use an algorithm that ranked N. American destinations higher than others, trying to be helpful to the likely passengers who are travelling in N. America
None of Dubai, Dubbo, Dublin or Dubrovnik are anywhere near N. America
LCY airport in purchasing the software could of course have asked the software company to change the airport ranking algorithm to better suit a London centric passenger base. This would entail much time and cost to change the software (the programmer who wrote the software probably quit for another job years ago) and go through extensive testing to ensure the software change didn't introduce any inadvertent side effects. This extra monetary cost would eventually find its way into higher charges for airlines to use the airport.
Or LCY management could decide that the existing software was good enough and the money saved could be spent elsewhere. What would you do ?
If so, it would be natural for the software to use an algorithm that ranked N. American destinations higher than others, trying to be helpful to the likely passengers who are travelling in N. America
None of Dubai, Dubbo, Dublin or Dubrovnik are anywhere near N. America
LCY airport in purchasing the software could of course have asked the software company to change the airport ranking algorithm to better suit a London centric passenger base. This would entail much time and cost to change the software (the programmer who wrote the software probably quit for another job years ago) and go through extensive testing to ensure the software change didn't introduce any inadvertent side effects. This extra monetary cost would eventually find its way into higher charges for airlines to use the airport.
Or LCY management could decide that the existing software was good enough and the money saved could be spent elsewhere. What would you do ?
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A good try, but I think you'll have to admit that a machine whose opening question is "scan your passport", with a passport reader, is unlikely to have much of a market in the US where more than half the population don't even have one.
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What's the point of that route? Positioning the aircraft to AMS to operate it from there to other destinations while the airport is closed down? Or is it going back and forth on Saturday and Sunday?
