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Old 1st March 2019 | 10:07
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Apologies if this has been answered before ; what are the requirements at BA for command upgrade ? Obviously seniority based but what about min hours, experience on type etc etc ?

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Old 1st March 2019 | 10:55
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3000hrs of +25 tonne Jet time, plus 1 year at BA is the one I remember. There are others
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Old 1st March 2019 | 11:22
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Out of interest, presuming bids are once a year, do you need the prerequisites to bid? In the example above could you bid for a LGW Command at 10 months in and say 2800 hrs on jets on the assumption you’ll be eligible some time in the next year?
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Old 1st March 2019 | 12:25
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Over on the wannabes forum they are saying the charge is now £18 grand for a type rating 😖

Madness if it’s correct. O’Leary is only about €5,000 these days 🙈

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Old 1st March 2019 | 16:33
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In fairness, there is no mention of a bond... the non bond ryanair option is 30k for the type rating and whilst there both not greatish companys for the lower down people i'd probably pick BA.
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Old 1st March 2019 | 17:25
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Originally Posted by DonTrumpet2020
Over on the wannabes forum they are saying the charge is now £18 grand for a type rating ��

Madness if it’s correct.....

The wannabes have read the advert correctly.
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Old 1st March 2019 | 17:58
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Probably because a lot of people are now leaving early on, which never happened in the past. I’m reliably informed of 20 or so heading elsewhere (to the same place in fact - no, not telling on here) in the next couple of months.

Makes you wonder why...?
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Old 1st March 2019 | 19:00
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Originally Posted by Tay Cough
Probably because a lot of people are now leaving early on, which never happened in the past. I’m reliably informed of 20 or so heading elsewhere (to the same place in fact - no, not telling on here) in the next couple of months.

Makes you wonder why...?
coloursheme of where too
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Old 1st March 2019 | 19:02
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Colour scheme is a combination of White, Blue and Dark Blue.
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Old 1st March 2019 | 19:07
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Originally Posted by Jumbo2
Colour scheme is a combination of White, Blue and Dark Blue.

also Red and White
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Old 1st March 2019 | 20:02
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I just posted this in the interviews section but thought I'd re-post seeing as it's made me so irrate

New junior pilot recruitment campaign announced for LGW - 18k fee for the type rating...... Has there been any internal chat/anger about this?

I'm surprised there's anyone left in the recruitment team, I would have thought most would have walked by now to avoid having their own reputation tarnished by this madness. To emphasise, this is an airline who just this week announced a 2.6 billion pound profit. Investing in 100 new pilots type ratings would cost (much) less than 0.1% of those profits, but it would appear that any sense of social responsibility has now been long forgotten.
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Old 1st March 2019 | 20:16
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Originally Posted by Tay Cough
Probably because a lot of people are now leaving early on, which never happened in the past. I’m reliably informed of 20 or so heading elsewhere (to the same place in fact - no, not telling on here) in the next couple of months.

Makes you wonder why...?
Having flown with a few of them, they are going to their national carrier who are recruiting DEPs for the first time in living memory. Given many of them live there and have no certainty as non uk nationals or residents that BA can employ them post Brexit I think they are making a good call. They will all be missed though.

I think its reading far too much into it to blame that on BA.

Is it prohibited to say KLM?
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Old 1st March 2019 | 21:50
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I think its reading far too much into it to blame that on BA.
Completely agree, same with the mainly ex-BMI colleagues going to Jet2.
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Old 1st March 2019 | 22:26
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Originally Posted by Hotel Mode
Having flown with a few of them, they are going to their national carrier who are recruiting DEPs for the first time in living memory. Given many of them live there and have no certainty as non uk nationals or residents that BA can employ them post Brexit I think they are making a good call. They will all be missed though.

I think its reading far too much into it to blame that on BA.

Is it prohibited to say KLM?
Not really. Thought I'd leave it to someone else.

There are quite a few of their countrymen who are staying though. Just saying....
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Old 2nd March 2019 | 00:45
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Originally Posted by Tay Cough
Not really. Thought I'd leave it to someone else.

There are quite a few of their countrymen who are staying though. Just saying....
Most of them because of age and seniority in BA. Everyone younger than 35 with less than 5 years in the airline probably gives it a try. Yes, there are a few exceptions but they are a minority.

KLM offers a far better package.
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Old 2nd March 2019 | 02:21
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£18k upfront or an £18k 3yr reducing bond?

The latter is fair enough if ppl are leaving but the former is a new sad low.
My company will unfortunately follow suit I imagine once they realise they can also squeeze some more cash out of new joiners.
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Old 2nd March 2019 | 13:55
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£18k up front
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Old 2nd March 2019 | 15:55
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What’s the BALPA position on BA new hires paying for type ratings?
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Old 3rd March 2019 | 01:38
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Nothing heard.

My guess is post the Open Skies debacle a few years back BALPA are now fairly cagey about commenting on the company's dealings with prospective employees...
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Old 3rd March 2019 | 09:09
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First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a socialist..........

This is not a BA specific problem, but the unwillingness / inability of airline pilots and their unions to take any form of action to protect terms for new joiners is staggering. This "I'm all right jack" attitude eventually harms everyone, yet seemingly nobody in the unions can see it.

If BA are worried about people leaving then make them sign a bond, or even better, focus on making BA such a good place to work nobody wants to leave in the first place. Charging upfront for type ratings is unjustifiable and a few years ago would have been unthinkable at BA.
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