BA Direct Entry Pilot.
Joined: Feb 2005
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From: Botswana
Was merely a joke, dear boy. The fruit was hanging too low to ignore; besides, I needed to make my yearly post!
We got to see how truly awful some people could be during last year's pay talks. I personally hope said individual never works in aviation again.
Cheers and good luck to all those affected by this stupid bug.
Buter
We got to see how truly awful some people could be during last year's pay talks. I personally hope said individual never works in aviation again.
Cheers and good luck to all those affected by this stupid bug.
Buter
Joined: Feb 2013
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From: London
After the announcement today that the government will cover 80% of an employees wage with a limit of £2500.
Is there any possibility that would include the FO’s who have had their job offers withdrawn due to Covid-19? Or do you have to be employed by the company and have your salary paid by BA and then the government pay the 80% back to BA?
Sorry if it’s a silly question, can’t really find the details anywhere at this early stage.
Is there any possibility that would include the FO’s who have had their job offers withdrawn due to Covid-19? Or do you have to be employed by the company and have your salary paid by BA and then the government pay the 80% back to BA?
Sorry if it’s a silly question, can’t really find the details anywhere at this early stage.
Joined: Mar 2020
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From: Northwich
After the announcement today that the government will cover 80% of an employees wage with a limit of £2500.
Is there any possibility that would include the FO’s who have had their job offers withdrawn due to Covid-19? Or do you have to be employed by the company and have your salary paid by BA and then the government pay the 80% back to BA?
Sorry if it’s a silly question, can’t really find the details anywhere at this early stage.
Is there any possibility that would include the FO’s who have had their job offers withdrawn due to Covid-19? Or do you have to be employed by the company and have your salary paid by BA and then the government pay the 80% back to BA?
Sorry if it’s a silly question, can’t really find the details anywhere at this early stage.
Joined: Mar 2020
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From: Sussex
After the announcement today that the government will cover 80% of an employees wage with a limit of £2500.
Is there any possibility that would include the FO’s who have had their job offers withdrawn due to Covid-19? Or do you have to be employed by the company and have your salary paid by BA and then the government pay the 80% back to BA?
Sorry if it’s a silly question, can’t really find the details anywhere at this early stage.
Is there any possibility that would include the FO’s who have had their job offers withdrawn due to Covid-19? Or do you have to be employed by the company and have your salary paid by BA and then the government pay the 80% back to BA?
Sorry if it’s a silly question, can’t really find the details anywhere at this early stage.
For those of us who have a family and mortgage to pay for and no prospect of returning to our previous employers this would be a lifesaver.
Joined: Jan 2012
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From: Uk
IAG don’t have a choice on the government wage guarantee, unless of course they just make thousands redundant. That would do far more damage to them than allowing employees to accept help offered by the government.
Joined: Feb 2013
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From: London
Agreed. Unfortunately I don't think it will help us who have had our contracts rescinded already, from my understanding the company would have to request a grant from HMRC to cover up to 80% of the employees wages.
1. I can't imagine IAG wanting to do that.
2. They would need to reinstate our rescinded contracts and put us on the payroll. A big ask of a company that are willing to withdraw your job offer just weeks before your start date.
Joined: Jun 2019
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From: Sussex
Agreed. Unfortunately I don't think it will help us who have had our contracts rescinded already, from my understanding the company would have to request a grant from HMRC to cover up to 80% of the employees wages.
1. I can't imagine IAG wanting to do that.
2. They would need to reinstate our rescinded contracts and put us on the payroll. A big ask of a company that are willing to withdraw your job offer just weeks before your start date.
1. I can't imagine IAG wanting to do that.
2. They would need to reinstate our rescinded contracts and put us on the payroll. A big ask of a company that are willing to withdraw your job offer just weeks before your start date.
Joined: Oct 2017
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From: London
Joined: Mar 2020
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From: Northwich
To the kind person who offered to add me to the WhatsApp for withdrawn contract people... can’t sent over my number or the number of another chap in the same position, if you could delete the messages in your inbox so I can send them that’d be great. Thanks and apologies to everyone else for spamming the thread!
Joined: Mar 2020
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From: Northwich
Also re: not accepting govt help, I’m only going off a slide on a presentation I wasn’t meant to see outlining current operational proposals
‘BA not looking for government support to keep investor confidence high’
Make of that what you will and I tend to agree with those who have replied, but I’m just reporting what I’ve seen.
‘BA not looking for government support to keep investor confidence high’
Make of that what you will and I tend to agree with those who have replied, but I’m just reporting what I’ve seen.
Joined: Jan 2012
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From: Uk
This should clear things up a bit. Read it all, just not the headline.
BA-Owner Has Not Asked for State Aid: CEO
By Reuters- March 16, 2020
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"I think individual airlines have been approaching governments looking for state aid, we have not done so," IAG CEO Willie Walsh said on an investor call.
"Governments would expect airlines to look at self help before they would call on governments to provide state aid."
He said that IAG would, however, make use of any general state-support for employees where it becomes available.
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The group's dividend will still be put to shareholder approval in June, Walsh said, adding that he had "nothing to add" when asked about whether a plan to buy Air Europa would still go ahead.
Joined: Feb 2013
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From: London
From the BBC News website
‘But he added the government intervention - covering wages of up to £2,500 a month - would mean workers should be able to keep their jobs, even if their employer could not afford to pay them.
It is understood the wage subsidy will apply to firms where bosses have already had to lay off workers due to the pandemic, as long as they are brought back into the workforce and instead granted a leave of absence.’
I think its certainly worth us asking. Unless I’ve got the wrong end of the stick it’s not going to cost BA any money and it would massively help out the people who are now unemployed since having their contract withdrawn.
Fingers crossed they will understand and be willing to help.
‘But he added the government intervention - covering wages of up to £2,500 a month - would mean workers should be able to keep their jobs, even if their employer could not afford to pay them.
It is understood the wage subsidy will apply to firms where bosses have already had to lay off workers due to the pandemic, as long as they are brought back into the workforce and instead granted a leave of absence.’
I think its certainly worth us asking. Unless I’ve got the wrong end of the stick it’s not going to cost BA any money and it would massively help out the people who are now unemployed since having their contract withdrawn.
Fingers crossed they will understand and be willing to help.
Joined: Aug 2007
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From: england
There does seem to be a lot of naivety displayed here. As much as BA may want you to think you are joining a big happy family, I’m afraid that hasn’t been the case for many years. You will be regarded as a cost. Many years ago, pilots were historically treated as quasi managers in terms of terms and conditions. That was firmly stopped in 2009 with the Staff travel rewrite.
Many of our colleagues also believed that we were “professionals” with a firm contract. Again, we have been disabused of that notion. We are simply “piece-workers” as this unpaid stand-down has shown. You aren’t available to work, or we don’t have work for you to do? We stop paying you.
BA is still an attractive place to work (compared to many of the other airlines), but come in with your eyes open, and be aware that on the day you join, you will have the best T&C’s that you will ever enjoy, as it will all be downhill from there.
This isn’t meant to sound negative, just be aware of what you are joining , and how IAG and the BA board will do its upmost to strip the earnings out of the company, which directly affects your salary and lifestyle. Ask around how high CAP’s are and how many days are spent at work. It is relentless. As many find out at, say EJ or RY, it isn’t sustainable over a 30 year career.
Many of our colleagues also believed that we were “professionals” with a firm contract. Again, we have been disabused of that notion. We are simply “piece-workers” as this unpaid stand-down has shown. You aren’t available to work, or we don’t have work for you to do? We stop paying you.
BA is still an attractive place to work (compared to many of the other airlines), but come in with your eyes open, and be aware that on the day you join, you will have the best T&C’s that you will ever enjoy, as it will all be downhill from there.
This isn’t meant to sound negative, just be aware of what you are joining , and how IAG and the BA board will do its upmost to strip the earnings out of the company, which directly affects your salary and lifestyle. Ask around how high CAP’s are and how many days are spent at work. It is relentless. As many find out at, say EJ or RY, it isn’t sustainable over a 30 year career.
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Joined: Mar 2020
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From: Northwich
There does seem to be a lot of naivety displayed here. As much as BA may want you to think you are joining a big happy family, I’m afraid that hasn’t been the case for many years. You will be regarded as a cost. Many years ago, pilots were historically treated as quasi managers in terms of terms and conditions. That was firmly stopped in 2009 with the Staff travel rewrite.
Many of our colleagues also believed that we were “professionals” with a firm contract. Again, we have been disabused of that notion. We are simply “piece-workers” as this unpaid stand-down has showed. You aren’t available to work, or we don’t have work for you to do? We stop paying you.
BA is still an attractive place to work (compared to many of the other airlines), but come in with your eyes open, and be aware that on the day you join, you will have the best T&C’s that you will ever enjoy, as it will all be downhill from there.
This isn’t meant to sound negative, just be aware of what you are joining , and how IAG and the BA board will do its upmost to strip the earnings out of the company, which directly affects your salary and lifestyle. Ask around how high CAP’s are and how many days are spent at work. It is relentless. As many find out at, say EJ or RY, it isn’t sustainable over a 30 year career.
Many of our colleagues also believed that we were “professionals” with a firm contract. Again, we have been disabused of that notion. We are simply “piece-workers” as this unpaid stand-down has showed. You aren’t available to work, or we don’t have work for you to do? We stop paying you.
BA is still an attractive place to work (compared to many of the other airlines), but come in with your eyes open, and be aware that on the day you join, you will have the best T&C’s that you will ever enjoy, as it will all be downhill from there.
This isn’t meant to sound negative, just be aware of what you are joining , and how IAG and the BA board will do its upmost to strip the earnings out of the company, which directly affects your salary and lifestyle. Ask around how high CAP’s are and how many days are spent at work. It is relentless. As many find out at, say EJ or RY, it isn’t sustainable over a 30 year career.
Joined: Feb 2013
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From: London
I can guarantee pretty much everyone who’s even stuck an application into BA, never mind actually got an offer, has spoken to someone who either works there or knows someone who does, usually coupled with a myriad of captains at our current airlines telling us we’re stupid for doing it. We know what we’ve let ourselves in for, we know we’re just a number just like we are at EZY, RYR etc. We’re just trying to stay positive, not being naive.
Couldn't agree more with Worcester. Also If you think your T's & C's are declining at BA you should see what the new COO of easyJet is trying to do. He's basically used COVID 19 as an excuse to put everyone on a Ryanair contract. No crew food, no tea or coffee, unable to refuse roster changes on report, back to full EASA FTL's, unable to refuse working into your day off, the list goes on...
