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Old 30th Jul 2018, 12:11
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Pilloting: now there is a question. Extreme answer followed by a realistic one. CAP is 90hrs and minimum credit per day is 4:30 so if you are junior doing the crap nobody else wants then you will see 10 days off. If your senior and picking exactly what you want (JSS supposedly will allow this with some built in safe guards designed by BALPA to ensure fairness ��....yeah right) you could reach CAP in about 10-12 days. Ok the reality is probably somewhere in the middle. 12 days off if your junior and perhaps 15 days off if your senior and you bid for max credit trips.

Thats SH. Cannot really comment on LH too much. But some working days LH start at 8 or 9 in the evening or end at 6-7 in the morning so it can throw it out a bit. It’s like a night DME on SH. I don’t view it as two days work but officially it is
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 13:18
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Thanks Bex88! really helpful!
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 13:40
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At the risk of getting lynched by my SH colleagues, my junior LH roster has around 14 days off, plus or minus a couple. That said, my fleet is having a relatively quiet period due to certain, ahem, technical issues Ė I canít speak for the triple or jumbo guys.

And while some LH Ďdaysí might finish at 0800, Iím usually so knackered that the rest of that day is a write-off, and often the following day as well.
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 20:14
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Short haul junior trash - Above CAP and 13 days off in August and only one evening where I wonít be having dinner at home with my family. Pretty standard month, definitely canít complain about lifestyle. (Although I probably will)

Pay could be better and Iíve got high hopes for the new BACC, feel like the tide has turned and weíve got great expectations of what can be achieved if weíre prepared to get behind them.
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 20:36
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Originally Posted by WhatTheDeuce View Post
Short haul junior trash - Above CAP and 13 days off in August and only one evening where I wonít be having dinner at home with my family. Pretty standard month, definitely canít complain about lifestyle. (Although I probably will)

Pay could be better and Iíve got high hopes for the new BACC, feel like the tide has turned and weíve got great expectations of what can be achieved if weíre prepared to get behind them.
Gatwick I guess?
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 20:55
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Heathrow. Clean slate after JSS comes in though, as far as lifestyle goes watch this space I guess?
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 21:49
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I wouldnít worry too much about JSS just yet. I donít think weíre even close to its implementation right now. Not enough pilots, software issues plus the elephant in the room of the BMI zippering issue which isnít even close to getting resolved. I honestly wouldnít be at all surprised if weíre sat here this time next year still using bidline.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 10:24
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Has anyone else been waiting several weeks for a sim assessment dates to be released?
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 22:38
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Originally Posted by pilotting View Post
Hi guys,
Been browsing the internet, but could not get any info on the BA rosters.
Can anyone tell how many days you can expect to be off on LH and SH per month?
I assume this will also differ in summer season and winter season?

Thanks!
Would have said in LH there's not really a seasonal difference in how hard you work - on my fleet it's simple - flat out all the time
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 08:45
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Originally Posted by overstress View Post
Would have said in LH there's not really a seasonal difference in how hard you work - on my fleet it's simple - flat out all the time
Yep.....

As for JSS, much as many would like to see itís introduction delayed I suspect the quite reasonable gripes from the troops wonít change a thing. I hope I am wrong but I suspect once recruitment and training have got enough bods on the line it will be introduced faster than a rat up a drainpipe....and then to borrow a phrase, itís ďposh blindlinesĒ for everybody.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 03:34
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Waiting for Sim date

Originally Posted by clvf88 View Post
Has anyone else been waiting several weeks for a sim assessment dates to be released?
Same condition. 3 weeks no news yet. 2nd day at the end of June.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 10:21
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
I suspect once recruitment and training have got enough bods on the line it will be introduced faster than a rat up a drainpipe....
I hear you, Wiggy but the BMI zippering issue needs to be resolved first. The two parties are absolutely miles apart at the moment, there no easy solution thatís going to satisfy both parties and I would suspect it ainít going to get resolved any time soon. Even without zippering of BMI Pilots we already have strong suspicions (if not confirmation) JSS isnít going to come in by the end of the year because of the difficulties of introducing around Christmas. By the time they get enough bods on the line thatís gonna be edging towards summer 2019 and the company will again be nervous around introducing it at a time that potentially compromises rostering over the summer (as they were this time around). Itís not necessarily hope over expectation.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 11:59
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Been invited for stage 2 interview/group assessment, been reading through every page of this thread to get prepared but was wondering if anyone has attended recently and got any recent updates?
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 12:22
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the BMI zippering issue needs to be resolved first. The two parties are absolutely miles apart at the moment, there no easy solution that’s going to satisfy both parties and I would suspect it ain’t going to get resolved any time soon.
And lo, in the space of 24 hours the plan (from AB's e-mail) is to launch JSS ASAP with a dual list for the 320 ......
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 12:42
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Nice! the junior BMI guys get stuffed. That said even the senior ones too. Join at the bottom and stay at the bottom for your entire career. No progression from a rostering stand point. No choice, low to no roster satisfaction and all enforced by BALPA. I even took this up with AB and all I got was a shrug of the shoulders.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 12:50
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I won't pretend that I have followed the zipper debate in minute detail but I do know it was a source of great angst (putting it politely) among many long served BA shorthaulers so there are obviously two sides to that debate. I got the impression from AB's e-mail that running with a dual list wasn't exactly something the company wanted to do and it was something that was going to be subject to continued negotiation...

More interesting (to me anyhow) is the fact that management are willing to back down slightly/temporarily on this issue, which was a blocker to introducing the new rostering system, and accept the hassle of two lists, all in order to get rid of Bidline and get JSS up and running quickly....you'd almost think management think there is something in it for them
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 21:37
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
Nice! the junior BMI guys get stuffed. That said even the senior ones too. Join at the bottom and stay at the bottom for your entire career. No progression from a rostering stand point. No choice, low to no roster satisfaction and all enforced by BALPA. I even took this up with AB and all I got was a shrug of the shoulders.
Steady on bex... all EMBA as it were have had the choice from day 1 to go to LH in the RHS, continue in the LHS or take up until recently out of seniority protected commands. In fact all the Commands this & last year were protected... only 2016 saw it drop to & past their seniority. Not bad considering they joined BA in 2012 having commands & RHS LH since day one, whilst others senior to them had to sit out their 5 year engagement freeze. But I like others didnít complain as it was the deal that was signed. If theyíre junior & in the bubble thatís their choice! Could have gone to LH & be nearly 50% for example on the jumbo.... & if Iím not mistaken it was the bmi list that chose to turn down the last zipper solution not the BA list.... Not a bmi bash but letís state the facts, most feel theyíve done very well. Itís the same for BA guys, was on the bus the other day & a junior BA SH skipper was complaining heíd gone down 3 or 4% & it wasnít fair.... weíll could have gone to LH.... his choice, you only have to be junior once!

Anyway back to the thread... good luck to those applying.

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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 22:30
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Originally Posted by BASHLH View Post


Steady on bex... all EMBA as it were have had the choice from day 1 to go to LH in the RHS, continue in the LHS or take up until recently out of seniority protected commands. In fact all the Commands this & last year were protected... only 2016 saw it drop to & past their seniority. Not bad considering they joined BA in 2012 having commands & RHS LH since day one, whilst others senior to them had to sit out their 5 year engagement freeze. But I like others didnít complain as it was the deal that was signed. If theyíre junior & in the bubble thatís their choice! Could have gone to LH & be nearly 50% for example on the jumbo.... & if Iím not mistaken it was the bmi list that chose to turn down the last zipper solution not the BA list.... Not a bmi bash but letís state the facts, most feel theyíve done very well. Itís the same for BA guys, was on the bus the other day & a junior BA SH skipper was complaining heíd gone down 3 or 4% & it wasnít fair.... weíll could have gone to LH.... his choice, you only have to be junior once!

Anyway back to the thread... good luck to those applying.

The trouble is, the EMBA FOs, who got their commands based on their ACTUAL seniority (nothing to do with BMI), were forced back into the BMI bubble against their will. Why is that allowed?
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 08:22
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Bex88.... No choice, low to no roster satisfaction and all enforced by BALPA. I even took this up with AB and all I got was a shrug of the shoulders.

I think you will find Bex88, Balpa have done exactly what they are there to do...consult members, ballot, and when no agreement was reached escalate this as a failure to agree with the company.

Bigger battles ahead, such as the up coming pay negotiations, which will have a far greater effect on the careers and lives of all the pilots within BA.

Maybe this is why Flt Ops capitutaled on it??
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 08:36
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Originally Posted by Tay Cough View Post
The trouble is, the EMBA FOs, who got their commands based on their ACTUAL seniority (nothing to do with BMI), were forced back into the BMI bubble against their will. Why is that allowed?
I couldnít agree with you more Tay... they should be in the BA list, especially if they want to be! Iím sure Iíve read somewhere some pony about MPE to maintain circa 145.... itís all political & the initials IG I bet have all to do with it!

Good luck to those applying.
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