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Old 4th Aug 2018, 23:22
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Ok, is somebody able to tell me (I'm new to the pool, with alternative options......) what are the benefits of joining BA? I've no interest in LH and the only draw I can honestly see is the ability to do a bit of upper class travel. That, along with the hat doesn't cut it for me.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 23:38
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
Bidline: essentially the company publish the Trip Lines (each individual line is a roster) 6 weeks or so in advance of the month in question. The pilot workforce then bids for these lines of work in seniority order. So in theory the most senior pilot in the seat in question is effectively writing his own roster as he knows exactly what trips he will be doing and also the days off. Pilots will bid for lines based on weekends off or destinations or, in the case of the most senior, both of these variables hence the notion of writing your own roster. There are only so many trip lines, those who donít have the required seniority for any of their choices of lines will have their roster written for them by the company with the reconstituted trips of what is left over (blind line).

JSS: No real control whatsoever. Youíre just expressing preferences for days off or particular types of trips/destinations but there is no guarantee that you will get any of what you want. It is not anywhere near as transparent as bidline. Still very seniority driven but there will also be inhibitors in place to stop the most senior just going to Cape Town (or insert your own desirable destination) four times a month. There are very real fears that inserting all of these inhibitors will end up in the programme being corrupted away from its original design, see the case of Carmen down in Gatwick where, in an attempt to please everybody, they have ended up with a programme that pleases nobody. Thatís why Wiggy and others (including myself) have just described it as posh blindlines as even the most senior will have absolutely no idea what their roster will contain until the day of publication.

So whats new in that, you may perfectly reasonably ask if youíre coming from another airline. Trouble is itís a severely retrograde step in being able to do what you want when you want and have control over the whole process, something that has been a unique selling point of BA for many years but is about to be a thing of the past.
Thank you for taking the time to explain that - much appreciated and very informative
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 00:05
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Originally Posted by Paddingtonbear View Post
Ok, is somebody able to tell me (I'm new to the pool, with alternative options......) what are the benefits of joining BA? I've no interest in LH and the only draw I can honestly see is the ability to do a bit of upper class travel. That, along with the hat doesn't cut it for me.
Without a reference, eg, ďcompared to Ryanair, what are the benefits,Ē the question is meaningless.

If if you have no interest in long haul, think youíll do a lot of upper class travel, donít want to wear the stupid hat and you have other options, hop out of the pool, son, hereís your towel. Seriously, youíll be miserable here.

As for the ď doesnít cut it for meĒ comment... Iím pretty sure our community will be alright without you.

Good luck with with your career, sir.

Cheers

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Old 5th Aug 2018, 03:34
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Originally Posted by Paddingtonbear View Post
Ok, is somebody able to tell me (I'm new to the pool, with alternative options......) what are the benefits of joining BA? I've no interest in LH and the only draw I can honestly see is the ability to do a bit of upper class travel. That, along with the hat doesn't cut it for me.
Can never understand why you would go through the considerable time and effort of applying if you need someone else to convince you. Not to mention the waste of a interview/sim slot for someone who actually is interested in joining.

They had 1000 applicants in a 2 week recruiting window so they can probably struggle on without you.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 04:16
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Thank you for the honest assessment.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 09:35
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Morning all, Firstly may I commend RexBís descriptions of both Bidline and JSS to the house....

Paddington..

Unless you have a burning desire to do shorthaul out of London I canít see why BA would be of interest, though TBF I donít live the BA shorthaul dream...

As for travelling in Premium cabins.... Iím not sure how the recruiters / advertising sells that benefit but you have a very limited number of those particular tickets and despite everything there are no guarantees about getting on a flight and where you will end up seated (and it can get really difficult if you are travelling as a family ).

Many a staff traveller with First or Club entitlement has ended up on a jumpseat......






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Old 5th Aug 2018, 09:49
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Thanks Wiggy.

I did put a huge effort into this. In fact, I'm not ashamed to admit it was my fourth attempt. If anything, merely passing this process is satisfying in itself.

I have obviously followed this thread with great interest and ask my original question based on reports from people who are very obviously within BA at the moment, and can tell me how it is.

Cheers and all the best to those applying.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 16:12
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Any news on Sim dates?

Hello everyone, thanks for all of those who post interesting info for the ones of us still in the application process. Iíve been waiting for. sim dates for a month already after receiving a mail telling me I had passed day 2. Anyone in the same condition. Anyone knows if itís going to be 767 or 747. New to the forum so cannot receive any PM it seems. Any info would be very appreciated. Thanks.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 20:47
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Originally Posted by g118 View Post
Hello everyone, thanks for all of those who post interesting info for the ones of us still in the application process. Iíve been waiting for. sim dates for a month already after receiving a mail telling me I had passed day 2. Anyone in the same condition. Anyone knows if itís going to be 767 or 747. New to the forum so cannot receive any PM it seems. Any info would be very appreciated. Thanks.
same waiting time for me. does it give you the option to select a date but thereís just none available? For me it doesnít even have the option to book.

they told us it would be 767
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 10:26
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I believe it's 767 unless advised otherwise.

Just keep checking regularly for slots... they normally go on around 1-3 weeks ahead, and they get taken very quickly.

good luck!
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 10:30
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Question for those in the know... Will A320 LGW migrate to JSS on it's introduction, or will they stay with Carmen?
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 14:35
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Originally Posted by Dupre View Post
Question for those in the know... Will A320 LGW migrate to JSS on it's introduction, or will they stay with Carmen?
Still Carmen AFAIK.
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Old 7th Aug 2018, 10:50
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Hello, may I ask if people going through the interview stage received technical questions or was it just competency based questioning? Thank you in advance��
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 15:20
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Hi Paddington,

Personally if you have no interest in LH why join what is predominately a LH airline. The grief of doing multiple sectors out of Heathrow on a day in day out basis for a a 40+ year career doesnít make sense. If you want to be home every night you would be much better off working for an airline outside London where the cost of housing is more reasonable, the commute quicker, time to command generally quicker with associated better pay.

However, the reasons I enjoy LH is the opportunities to visit places that I would never visit on holiday. To take my son with me to Chile to see the penguins in the Tiera Del Fuego or my family to Tokyo after sector swapping to turn a 4 day trip into a 6 day trip. To go whale watching on a 4 day San Francisco trip or visit the Aztec temples in Mexico.

On LH you only need to commute 4 or 5 times a month with the same number of departures and arrivals from Heathrow. Like all jobs there are downsides and frustrations as well, but as an individual you need to work out what your priorities are and then find a job where you will get the greatest percentage satisfaction to live your life.

Regards
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 15:49
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Good advice above. I know it is obvious to most, but some may need reminding that this is only a way of earning to money to live. If you can make the job work for you and enjoy it at the same time, then you will never work a day in your life.
BA isn’t for everybody. Those that are here seem to enjoy the job, or at least pretend to. The only problem is spending too much time at work enjoying yourself. Hence the old clichť of the BA skipper on his/her third spouse. It can be difficult holding down a home life as the long haul part of the job is great fun, if tiring, staying in pretty decent hotels with like-minded people, especially now legacy crews are on the decline. The danger is it is possible to treat the job as one long holiday, to the detriment of loved ones at home.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 08:25
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Has the latest open vacancy advert closed already??
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 09:17
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Originally Posted by hunterboy View Post
The only problem is spending too much time at work enjoying yourself. Hence the old clichť of the BA skipper on his/her third spouse. It can be difficult holding down a home life as the long haul part of the job is great fun, if tiring, staying in pretty decent hotels with like-minded people, especially now legacy crews are on the decline. The danger is it is possible to treat the job as one long holiday, to the detriment of loved ones at home.



I’m hoping the above is slightly TIC, at least in part...I know it can be “fun” at times but I don’t think I’ve heard the day stop DXB being described as fun, there are other some real "bullets" with almost minimum rest, and the joys of one or two of our ME/African slips....As to the “like minded people” ..well if it is who I am thinking of they can be a breath of fresh air but they can also sometimes produce some real "duty of care" issues for the senior managers on the crew, who have been known to end up sorting out problems with management and/or medics and/or others at oh’dark thirty in the morning...

I would however agree on balance Long Haul is isn’t a bad gig, and certainly better than SH at BA but it’s not all a bed of roses, and BTW top tip - the trick to being a BA skipper on their first marriage after 30 plus years (and despite rumours and stereotyping there are a lot of us about) is not doing anything stupid and not going home and telling the other half what a fantastic time you just had.. .






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Old 12th Aug 2018, 09:26
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I have been pretty negative on BA SH and there are good reasons for that. I then asked myself what is it that I do not like? Is it that I don’t like my job or is it that I just have a really good home life? The problems here are little more than delays due to ATC in Europe, workload and rostering due to a error in manpower planning and BALPA selling out SH to protect LH. A quote from a friend of mine on LH. “Nobody gives a sh&t about SH, it’s never even talked about other than to say they are never going back”. Something has to change. I know a number of captains who are considering going RHS LH to escape. If you only desire SH and being at home BA is not it, if you want options then that’s very different.

It’s easy to piss and moan from a privileged position but on balance there are jobs I have had which I would love to go back too, but BA whilst not perfect is not bad enough to leave either and if JSS destroys my home life (probable) then there are options such as part time.......which I understand Klaus hates and wants to stamp out, or ditching the 4th stripe for RHS LH.

Applications closed? Probably......remember how keen we all used to be.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 16:04
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
there are options such as part time.......which I understand Klaus hates and wants to stamp out
Klaus can go screw himself. By law BA has to provide part time options. Rather than bitch and moan about it he should consider why so many people (including myself, a soon to be PP4 SH FO and about to put the RTR request in as soon as some home renovations are made) feel they have to go part time in order to make life work..
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 17:04
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I gather the rumours about restricting part time were to restrict the current numbers. This would mean new part timers having to wait until an existing part timer retired or gave it up. Apparently some other countries run it that way?
Wiggy....it was slightly tongue in cheek.....I was having a good day....usually Iím the guy that retires early to bed to ďchill and watch some NetflixĒ....I manage to avoid the duty of care stuff as Iím nowhere to be seen......
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