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Old 15th Feb 2019, 16:01
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
I’m certain there is a lot of truth in that but nevertheless if somebody asks you:

“should I join BA today because I have been offered a Short Haul a slot, or wait until a Long Haul Offer comes, (delay undetermined)”

what would you recommend?
Depends where you’re coming from and what your aspirations are, unless you’re about to lose your job. If you’re escaping from the desert, it depends how quickly you want to escape.

If you’re coming from one of the bottom-feeders, same answer.

If you’re coming from Ryanair or Easy (or equivalent) LHS, I wouldn’t bother coming at all unless you really want Longhaul.

If you’re coming from Ryanair or Easy (or equivalent) RHS, only come for longhaul or stay where you are and go LHS.

If you’re coming from VS or longhaul charter RHS, see whether your time to a longhaul command is any better (and you’d better like shorthaul in the meantime).

If you’re coming from VS or longhaul charter LHS, you’re barking.

Last edited by Tay Cough; 15th Feb 2019 at 16:46.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 19:32
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Originally Posted by red9 View Post
BA FO Pay is only amazing if you were at university two years ago......
I think the rest of " I'm Offs" post is spot on
or a 10 year wide body captain that even with pp35 will see their gross income with allowances increase by 20k.

And it’s pointless comparing with KLM and lufty, the brexiteers have seen to that.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 21:57
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
I’m certain there is a lot of truth in that but nevertheless if somebody asks you:

“should I join BA today because I have been offered a Short Haul a slot, or wait until a Long Haul Offer comes, (delay undetermined)”

what would you recommend?
I think at the moment I'd struggle to recommend BA as a company to work for at all, short haul or long haul. I agree with everything above - morale at rock bottom, scumbag management who couldn't care less, pay cuts and productivity increases all round while they all treat themselves to whopping bonuses. Insult to injury - a pay deal which offers a pay CUT, funded by further increases in productivity. For added hilarity, prior acknowledgement from Klaus that morale was already flagging. It'd be funny if they weren't serious.

Tay Cough has kindly answered your question though and I wouldn't change a word. The only (to emphasise again, ONLY) reason to join BA now is the fact it is a stable and secure long haul airline, arguably the only one in the UK. What scares me here is the speed and extent to which things have deteriorated, aided no doubt by a union which has lived in BA's pocket and which is crumbling and losing support by the day.

Unfortunately I've seen this decline before in a previous airline. Management desperate to shaft us, threshold eventually reached, and a majority strike vote the result. Sadly that unity doesn't exist at BA - we're all doing different jobs (PP24/34, SH/LH, junior/senior, LGW/LHR). It'll get a lot worse before people start to push back here.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 22:06
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years ago, I lamented the fact that people were taking awful contracts just to get into a shiny jet, the result, I thought, would be the reduction of legacy terms. Is this possibly proof of this?
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 17:27
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Sadly that unity doesn't exist at BA - we're all doing different jobs (PP24/34, SH/LH, junior/senior, LGW/LHR). It'll get a lot worse before people start to push back here.
Completely agree. Which is why it is bittersweet seeing the faux militancy from some BA pilots who are on very good contracts with senior LH positions and pensions over 50% of their junior counterparts could only dream of shout loudly for strike action. Ask a senior chap/ess about the conditions for those at the bottom of the pile....."no idea, but I did my time down there” is often the response. And it’s that apathy and myopia which has made our T&Cs so hard to defend from the present management culture.

Its very easy to blame Balpa - about as easy as not having any interest in anything that doesn’t affect you, like BARP, like PP34, like the demise of BA SH as a sustainable career choice.

We won’t go on strike because we have no unity left. I believe in the past we had some. We must have, as I joined at the beginning of the current decade and was impressed at what my predecessors had preserved for my generation of new joiners. I can’t say I’d join today and think the same.

All IMHO, and I’m sure some senior folk will be along to deride such a view of the BA pilot workforce, but I’m afraid many of my colleagues need to wake up and glance beyond the end of their nose. Things can and will get a lot worse if we don’t find some way of pulling together in the same direction - I really hope we are finally at that point.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 17:49
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A fair few of the senior people you’re referring to have children who are new entrants and they’re well aware of the differences between the contracts.

While there may be some vociferous senior people regarding future industrial action, if the junior don’t join in, it’s not going to get any better for them is it?
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 17:59
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Originally Posted by BitMoreRightRudder View Post

We won’t go on strike because we have no unity left. I believe in the past we had some. We must have, as I joined at the beginning of the current decade and was impressed at what my predecessors had preserved for my generation of new joiners. I can’t say I’d join today and think the same.
I would disagree. Most people will go on strike. Most of us are just waiting for the signal from BALPA which could come pretty soon.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 15:10
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Join Date: Feb 2019
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Originally Posted by crazypilot View Post
Hi all,

Hope everyone had a good Christmas and didn’t work too hard!

I did my interview / group ex stage mid November, received the “please book your sim assessment” email shortly after but still yet to have any dates populated on the careers website. Don't suppose anyone knows if they will be releasing dates soon or have they forgotten about me? 🙈

Many thanks!
Hi craypilot,

Any chance you could give me some info on what stage 2 looks like or how I could prepare for it? I am supposed to attend very soon.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 20:58
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Hi!
I have my stage 1 and 2 assessment the 27th of FEB. I was hoping maybe someone can help me out by telling me some more about the assessments or push me in the right diretion to find more information.
So far i have seen that i need to brush up my math skills and that the group assessment can be anything out of a 100 different scenario's. So perhaps someone could tell me something more about the interview? like what was their focus on? what kind of questions can i expect? or pretty much anyting you like to share.
Would be very much appreciated! please feel free to pm me.
Cheers,

Greyhames
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 07:20
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In my not particularly recent (roughly 5 years ago) experience, the information here is accurate. Although, as I understand it, they've reduced the amount of aptitude/PILAPT testing.
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 16:06
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Does anyone know how long it takes for them to reply after the Stage 1/2 stage? I did this recently and haven't heard anything... i heard rumour some time ago that a selection team meet each Friday?
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 08:36
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Has anyone heard back from yesterdays stage 2 assessment?
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 10:32
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Originally Posted by Percula View Post
Has anyone heard back from yesterdays stage 2 assessment?
I did a stage 2 a few weeks ago and am still in the dark

Does anyone know if the rejection is an email or a lettter?
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 13:02
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Originally Posted by Percula View Post
Has anyone heard back from yesterdays stage 2 assessment?
hello, not yet for me.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 13:35
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I have accepted an offer on to SH, moving from my current employer means that with flying pay and allowances, I'll more than double my salary overnight.

As I'll be bottom of the seniority pile, I am under no illusions that I will take what is given to me and ask no questions. Surely this is the attitude that all new joiners to any job, in any industry should take? Keep your head down and get settled in.

I'll also be commuting which many have said to me will be difficult/frustrating/impossible. Again, I'm aware of the implications of this however the benefits/drawbacks of commuting versus the move and facing the M4/M25 I believe are offset (some may beg to differ here). There are a number of people who commute on SH who I have spoken to and they seem happy with the lifestyle they have.

Would anyone care to shoot me down on the above?
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 13:44
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Originally Posted by rossbaku View Post
I have accepted an offer on to SH, moving from my current employer means that with flying pay and allowances, I'll more than double my salary overnight.

As I'll be bottom of the seniority pile, I am under no illusions that I will take what is given to me and ask no questions. Surely this is the attitude that all new joiners to any job, in any industry should take? Keep your head down and get settled in.

I'll also be commuting which many have said to me will be difficult/frustrating/impossible. Again, I'm aware of the implications of this however the benefits/drawbacks of commuting versus the move and facing the M4/M25 I believe are offset (some may beg to differ here). There are a number of people who commute on SH who I have spoken to and they seem happy with the lifestyle they have.

Would anyone care to shoot me down on the above?
may I ask your previous employer?
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 13:47
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Originally Posted by Riskybis View Post


may I ask your previous employer?
Not until I've left, although I will say that I don't have to commute for my current job.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 19:59
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I think you’ll enjoy the first 12 months no matter what. After that will depend on a positive attitude until you get through your freeze period .
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 03:01
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Has anyone been fortunate enough to have been offered both long and short haul when called? For example 320 LGW or 777. Both would have advantages in terms of career and lifestyle so would be a toss up between the two. Been on longhaul in current job which I enjoy however have a young family and the fatigue can get pretty bad. At BA It’s a discussion regarding 20 years to command on longhaul, being away a lot over most wknds compared to shorthaul out of LGW which as I understand it is not as hectic as LHR and offers more potential time at home whilst career wise getting really competent on the aircraft and a possible early command. Thoughts?!
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 06:26
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Has anyone been fortunate enough to have been offered both long and short haul when called? For example 320 LGW or 777
Not sure if that happens, be interesting to know.

Anyhow while we wait for an answer - I assume you realise that by accepting the 777 position you are not locking yourself out of shorthaul and/or LGW forever?

As it stands at the moment you could join on Longhaul, learn about the reality of the “BA way” from the inside, and then at the end of you engagement freeze if you still really desire a LGW 320 position you could bid to move, probably direct into the Left seat by way of a command conversion.

Last edited by wiggy; 23rd Feb 2019 at 06:39.
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