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Old 13th Jan 2019, 06:33
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Looking at the 777/787 DEP recruitment, Is there any reason why BA don’t offer a LGW base on the 777? I believe there will be 14 aircraft based at Gatwick this Summer, so it’s a sizeable operation.

Given the destinations, some longer trips and the fact it’s not LHR, this would certainly be an attractive prospect in an airline that, by most accounts on this thread, is quickly running out of attractive prospects.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 08:46
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
Looking at the 777/787 DEP recruitment, Is there any reason why BA don’t offer a LGW base on the 777? I believe there will be 14 aircraft based at Gatwick this Summer, so it’s a sizeable operation.

Given the destinations, some longer trips and the fact it’s not LHR, this would certainly be an attractive prospect in an airline that, by most accounts on this thread, is quickly running out of attractive prospects.


Unless you are going to crew it with pilots on reduced T&Cs I don’t really see what’s in it for the company...it’s not as if Flight Ops has problems getting people to volunteer to do the work.

There are plenty on the 777 fleet who bid specifically for the LGW work and by a combination of both bidding and swopping trips are in reality pretty much Gatwick based.




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Old 13th Jan 2019, 11:45
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Hi, now that DEP has opened up for LGW on 320, would anyone be able to give me an example roster.
The few trips they do and the pros and cons of choosing Lgw over Lhr.
Many thanks
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 13:31
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Hello Everyone,

I'm contemplating applying for DEP at LHR and would like to be on LH.
Can someone please enlighten me on how many trips a month can be expected, their duration and time off between
trips?

Thanks

Jamie
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 13:56
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I’ve been waiting since mid December for some stage 2 dates to be offered. Anyone know what’s going on ?
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 14:28
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Hi,

Any chance to get an idea on the A380 fleet standard rosters? How many trips a month? If someone could share a few A380 rosters, I would very much thankful.

Cheers!
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 15:45
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Originally Posted by Jamie2009 View Post
Hello Everyone,

I'm contemplating applying for DEP at LHR and would like to be on LH.
Can someone please enlighten me on how many trips a month can be expected, their duration and time off between
trips?
That depends:

Trip lengths..anything from the odd/rare one day outliers, most trips are 3,4 or 5 day, max at the moment is the SYD trip (currently on the 777 ) which touches 9 days (departs evening of day one, gets back into LHR AM of day 9).

Time off between generally a minimum of two clear days, though in certain circumstances with certain trips it may be possible to opt to reduce time at base to a local night..OTOH the aforementioned Sydney trip demands 4 days/5 local nights off at base due to FTL constraints.

In very simplistic terms in a month with no leave embedded you possibly end up with 5 or 6 of the short (e.g. 2 or three day) trips, or say 3 or 4 of the longer trips.




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Old 13th Jan 2019, 16:06
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post



Unless you are going to crew it with pilots on reduced T&Cs I don’t really see what’s in it for the company...it’s not as if Flight Ops has problems getting people to volunteer to do the work.

There are plenty on the 777 fleet who bid specifically for the LGW work and by a combination of both bidding and swopping trips are in reality pretty much Gatwick based.

I assume with EASA FTLs, the positioning from LHR to LGW needs to be shown. So an immediate benefit to the company is a reduction in duty hours spent (not) on the M25. I don't know exactly what arrangements BA have for pilots operating from LGW (HOTAC, taxis if required?) to comment further. What's the current benefit to the company of having all 777 drivers based in LHR?

For me personally, and I know I'm not alone, it's the difference between applying and not. One less CV to throw in the bin I suppose.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 17:06
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
I assume with EASA FTLs, the positioning from LHR to LGW needs to be shown. So an immediate benefit to the company is a reduction in duty hours spent (not) on the M25. I don't know exactly what arrangements BA have for pilots operating from LGW (HOTAC, taxis if required?) to comment further. What's the current benefit to the company of having all 777 drivers based in LHR?

For me personally, and I know I'm not alone, it's the difference between applying and not. One less CV to throw in the bin I suppose.
1. There is nil positioning. The company/Union agreement, approved by the CAA, is that if you have a LGW trip on your roster you make your own way to Crew report at Gatwick, i.e. your report is at LGW. FWIW a significant number of Longhaul pilots live around the Gatwick area anyway and for them a Gatwick report is easier than heading around the M25 to LHR.

2. Yes there is an agreement for a hotel room (but no allowances) if the individual requests it, but again because many of the “locals” elect to bid for the LGW work I’m not how many actually take the option.

I’m not sure why there not being a Gatwick stand-alone 777 base is a deal breaker for you....there is nothing to stop you applying to BA and seeing if you can get an offer of the T7...if that worked out then you’d be in a position to bid for the Gatwick work, as long as it continues.









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Old 13th Jan 2019, 17:08
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
I assume with EASA FTLs, the positioning from LHR to LGW needs to be shown. So an immediate benefit to the company is a reduction in duty hours spent (not) on the M25. I don't know exactly what arrangements BA have for pilots operating from LGW (HOTAC, taxis if required?) to comment further. What's the current benefit to the company of having all 777 drivers based in LHR?

For me personally, and I know I'm not alone, it's the difference between applying and not. One less CV to throw in the bin I suppose.
LGW and LHR are less than 45 miles away from each other and much less than 90 minutes apart most of the time (M25 dependent of course). Plus 777 Pilots do not report at Heathrow they report straight to Gatwick so there is no impact on duty times or FTLs. Anyone at the bottom of the P2 List hoping to get more than one Gatwick trip (at least pre swaps) every three to four months or so is likely to be disappointed.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 17:27
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Thanks for clearing that up, wiggy.

Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post

Anyone at the bottom of the P2 List hoping to get more than one Gatwick trip (at least pre swaps) every three to four months or so is likely to be disappointed.
Pretty much what I expected. Even the JFK?
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 17:46
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Originally Posted by C212-100 View Post
Hi,

Any chance to get an idea on the A380 fleet standard rosters? How many trips a month? If someone could share a few A380 rosters, I would very much thankful.

Cheers!
Fairly straightforward C212 you’ll get a combination of somewhere between 3-4 trips each month. The fleet has it’s Western Cowboys doing the LA’s and SFO’s Chinese Barons doing SIN and HKG’s and the golfers doing the JNB’s. There is a lot of swapping going on under JSS. As a DEP you won’t get the variety that the Boeing’s do or the Cinderella (A350) fleet eventually. That can be good or bad depending on what you want to do.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 19:25
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380 fleet is certainly the one to be on for a new joiner. All good trips and no low credit 2 crew stuff in winter at least. If the 350 launch route crewmour is true, it won’t be half as glamorous!
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 19:40
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Actually, the FDP is reduced by 1 hour when operating out of LGW on 777... apparently assumes you've driven from LHR
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 20:37
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
I assume with EASA FTLs, the positioning from LHR to LGW needs to be shown. So an immediate benefit to the company is a reduction in duty hours spent (not) on the M25. I don't know exactly what arrangements BA have for pilots operating from LGW (HOTAC, taxis if required?) to comment further. What's the current benefit to the company of having all 777 drivers based in LHR?

For me personally, and I know I'm not alone, it's the difference between applying and not. One less CV to throw in the bin I suppose.
Why knowing the benefit to the company makes the difference to you applying or not... strange.

I think the answer to your question however is probably flexibility, with more trips rumoured to be going down there who knows.

Looking at the P2 777 list very little LGW work seems to go down to the juniors and if it did ever go to a Beach Fleet on current terms then I think the bids would go senior so I would save that CV for when Level takes it over.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 21:06
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Originally Posted by Wakarider View Post


Fairly straightforward C212 you’ll get a combination of somewhere between 3-4 trips each month. The fleet has it’s Western Cowboys doing the LA’s and SFO’s Chinese Barons doing SIN and HKG’s and the golfers doing the JNB’s. There is a lot of swapping going on under JSS. As a DEP you won’t get the variety that the Boeing’s do or the Cinderella (A350) fleet eventually. That can be good or bad depending on what you want to do.
Dear Wakarider,

Thank you very much for your reply. So, I assume for those getting DEP into the A380 would a fairly feasible commuting position, even if very junior and even if commuting from the Western Europe. Is my assumption correct or way off?

Cheers and again, thank you!
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 21:07
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Originally Posted by fruitbat View Post
380 fleet is certainly the one to be on for a new joiner. All good trips and no low credit 2 crew stuff in winter at least. If the 350 launch route crewmour is true, it won’t be half as glamorous!
Thank you fruitbat,

Any chance to go deeper into what the a350 is supposed to be getting tripwise?

Thanks!
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 21:23
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Originally Posted by Flap33 View Post
Actually, the FDP is reduced by 1 hour when operating out of LGW on 777... apparently assumes you've driven from LHR
Ah, thanks, as in the specific Box A tables in Bidline rules?..(.there’s also the one hour non-control NCP, )
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 22:13
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Originally Posted by C212-100 View Post
Thank you fruitbat,

Any chance to go deeper into what the a350 is supposed to be getting tripwise?

Thanks!
Nobody really knows yet. All rumours at current, even those going onto it first.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 23:19
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Can someone clarify; to be considered for airbus F/O long haul you need to have 500 hrs on 350/380?
There are no long haul seats offered to those without long haul experience?
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