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Old 27th Feb 2019, 09:49
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: UK
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JSS inhibitors appear to be pure trial and error at the moment, but it does seem as though they are aiming for, ďYou can create your own roster which is tailored to your particular needs, just as long as it looks just like this one!Ē
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 10:02
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


Ah yes, I read about that and was suitably confused ..(easily done I know)...the Ēworld leading rostering systemĒ strikes again....
Is there any reference material for potential new joiners to read about JSS? I feel to join with eyes wide open requires a complete understanding of what the rosters will look like / are capable of looking like since thatís such a huge part of the lifestyle aspect. PM me if you would rather not put anything in the public...
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 10:51
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: UK
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Thanks for the replies. Iíve budgeted for £1000 a month commuting from elsewhere in the UK. A car park pass at my Ďhomeí airport is £53/month and as people have mentioned, hotels are on average £50 a night. I donít know Hotline prices but standby tickets are around £80-90 return. As SH Iím assuming Iíll be down there 5-6 times a month. Does that sound realistic to those in the know?
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 11:24
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Originally Posted by Busdriver01 View Post


Is there any reference material for potential new joiners to read about JSS? I feel to join with eyes wide open requires a complete understanding of what the rosters will look like / are capable of looking like since that’s such a huge part of the lifestyle aspect. PM me if you would rather not put anything in the public...

One of the major major gripes ATM is there is simply isn't acomprehensive manual/reference material for anybody, be they new joiner or established employee. There was a vaguely useful very small iBook issued a while back but things have moved on and (as witnesses by the earlier comments) the rules keep changing...and even with a manual in front of you working with JSS is a bit like programming in a new langauge (coding in modern speak) I suspect you wouldn't learn much until you had been able to play with the interface (either the IMHO rather poor BA one, or the IMHO subscription paid better one available for ipads) and seen the result of your bidding commands.

Currently most "education" is being done via in house yammer conversations, posts on the BALPA forum, or drop in sessions at crew report or simply by word of mouth around the network/over a beer or coffee on a trip

Last edited by wiggy; 27th Feb 2019 at 12:38.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 12:14
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Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: UK
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Are folk commuting on ID90ís or hotline tickets? Is there much difference in price and thinking within UK would availability of a seat be an issue if only on a standby ticket? Thanks
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 12:41
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Originally Posted by Jock Trapped View Post
Are folk commuting on ID90ís or hotline tickets? Is there much difference in price and thinking within UK would availability of a seat be an issue if only on a standby ticket? Thanks
Both...Hotlines can be cheaper than standby's... until you hit peak season (e.g. they ramp up massively around easter on "my" route

For ID90s seats can be problem, again depending depending on route, day of the week, holidays etc. Jumpseats may be available but there are never any guarantees ...
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 12:49
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: France / UK
Age: 64
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ID90 v Hotline pros and cons:

ID90 fully flexible and cancellable.
Hotline possible to change after midnight UK time on the day of travel. Such change can be free but may also incur a fee.
Hotline cancellation only refunds the APD.

Sometimes Hotlines are cheaper than ID90s. Even if the particular flight that you want is more expensive, you can book the cheapest flight and then change it on the day to a better time, normally for free.

Hotline tickets give you full commercial passenger rights. Your seat is confirmed and you can normally choose a seat for free in advance. You can check in 24 hours before departure. You also gain avios points and Club tier points (not many on LHR-CDG!). You can clear through departures and security as soon as you like.
ID90s are issued on a “standby” basis; i.e. if space is available. No remote check-in. You must physically check in at LHR by STD-45 at the latest and then it’s a lottery whether or not you’ll be allocated a seat or whether you’ll remain on standby. Sometimes you have to plead with staff to get an “airside indicator” so that you can get to the departure gate. LHR departures security-gate cut-off is STD-35 which can be a bit stressful. Contact with the operating crew is useful as they can authorise a jump-seat which gets you over these hurdles.

In summary, I try to use Hotlines as often as possible as the experience is altogether more pleasant. The only time I would use ID90s is if I’m unsure of my plans and chances of changes/cancellations are high. Also, sometimes there just aren’t any cheap deals on Hotline, normally because I’ve left it too late.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 13:32
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In terms of the latest recruitment page on the BA website, do find it a little funny that the final bullet point highlighting the benefits of joining British Airways is:
  • At our Waterside Head Office, youíll have access to: a cashpoint, Waitrose, HighLife Shop, company gym, dental care, Waterside Hair and Beauty.
T&Cs must really have gone downhill if access to a cashpoint and Waitrose is part of a listed benefit on the website...!
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 15:42
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Originally Posted by TheAirMission View Post
In terms of the latest recruitment page on the BA website, do find it a little funny that the final bullet point highlighting the benefits of joining British Airways is:
    T&Cs must really have gone downhill if access to a cashpoint and Waitrose is part of a listed benefit on the website...!
    And the only time you will ever see Waterworld is the " tea and no biscuit" career ending chat with the DFO when you have made your mistake

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    Old 27th Feb 2019, 15:44
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    Originally Posted by rossbaku View Post
    Thanks for the replies. Iíve budgeted for £1000 a month commuting from elsewhere in the UK. A car park pass at my Ďhomeí airport is £53/month and as people have mentioned, hotels are on average £50 a night. I donít know Hotline prices but standby tickets are around £80-90 return. As SH Iím assuming Iíll be down there 5-6 times a month. Does that sound realistic to those in the know?
    You might struggle with £50 per night around LHR - taxi ? Buses ? ( free shuttle buses at limited times of day) you have to eat....... I would budget for £70
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    Old 27th Feb 2019, 15:58
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    There is at least one "crew friendly" proper hotel that usually has a crew rate £51 (and can be cheaper if you pick the right day and look at their public rates...).

    If the BA shuttle buses aren't running then remember (?) that the TfL red buses are free around the perimeter, as far as and including Hatton Cross/Harlington Corner.

    But yes, food isn't cheap (then again there's M&S in T5), so £70 sounds reasonable .
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    Old 27th Feb 2019, 16:48
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    Join Date: May 2005
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    Ibis can be as low as £39
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    Old 27th Feb 2019, 17:40
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    Join Date: Sep 1999
    Location: Middle England
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    I've got an invite. Has anyone got an idea how long it takes to get a LHS A320? Assuming one passes all the requisite LPC/OPC, suitability criteria etc and has sufficient hours already.

    Thanks.
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    Old 27th Feb 2019, 18:47
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    Join Date: Feb 2005
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    Originally Posted by eckhard View Post
    Ibis can be as low as £39
    rare as hens teeth those rates nowadays (and youíll only get it in the depths of winter) but technically correct.
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    Old 27th Feb 2019, 18:49
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    Join Date: Jul 2007
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    Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
    There is at least one "crew friendly" proper hotel that usually has a crew rate £51 (and can be cheaper if you pick the right day and look at their public rates...).

    If the BA shuttle buses aren't running then remember (?) that the TfL red buses are free around the perimeter, as far as and including Hatton Cross/Harlington Corner.

    But yes, food isn't cheap (then again there's M&S in T5), so £70 sounds reasonable .

    Perfectly adequate HOTAC available within 10 mins of staff car park for mid thirties staff rate, plus a parking charge. Its costing on average 41 a night. Less if not driving. It is sometimes cheaper online, so check first. Bring food with you or use the local tesco on the bath road with ample supplies. If you want to slum it, Pizza or KFC. Eat lots of in flight!

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    Old 27th Feb 2019, 19:07
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    Join Date: Nov 2007
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    Originally Posted by 763 jock View Post
    I've got an invite. Has anyone got an idea how long it takes to get a LHS A320? Assuming one passes all the requisite LPC/OPC, suitability criteria etc and has sufficient hours already.

    Thanks.
    At the moment, in LGW, it is between 12 and 18 months for LHS. Longer (lot longer) for LHR.
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    Old 28th Feb 2019, 12:57
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    Join Date: Sep 2010
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    Hey guys, was looking for some thoughts from guys who have applied and been unsuccessful but kept going and eventually got in. Tempted to apply again this year but not entirely sure what I would do differently. For reference Iím a 30 year old current short haul FO with long haul experience also and have around 3500h tt.

    Basically I got to stage 1 first time and last year got through to stage 2. I didnít feel the group ex went that well, but we worked together okay and the rest of the group thought it went fine. When it came to the interview Iíd go as far as to say I left the room thinking it was the best interview Iíd ever had, had answers to all their questions etc and was confident, one thing I didnít really do was push the whole ĎBA is my dreamí etc etc. That said, everyone seemed to leave their interviews feeling it went well. But I really felt Iíd done enough to get to the sim.

    Anyway, a week or so later got a PFO and somewhat decided after that, that maybe BA just wasnít the airline for me but now almost 12 months has passed I am tempted once again to have another go.

    I suppose what I want to know is, what would the guys who have failed then subsequently passed say the main reason was? Is it luck of the draw as to who is interviewing you? I really struggle to see what it exactly is they are looking for, which is why I am a bit cautious about applying again.

    Thoughts appreciated.
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    Old 28th Feb 2019, 18:02
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    Join Date: Jan 2008
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    What do we have here?

    An approach was flown into a known difficult airfield.

    The approach became unstable.

    A go around was flown and a diversion was made to another airfield.

    A successful landing was carried out, as I understand it, at the diversion airfield.

    I think that was what I was paid to do for 30+ years.

    Thank goodness I retired before I had to justify my decisions to social media.

    Well done to the crew.

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    Old 28th Feb 2019, 18:55
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    Join Date: Jan 2008
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    My post seems to be in the wrong thread, probably my finger trouble, I am old!!

    Can someone move it to the BA 492 thread please.

    Thank you.
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    Old 1st Mar 2019, 10:07
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    Join Date: May 2003
    Location: UK
    Age: 42
    Posts: 423
    Apologies if this has been answered before ; what are the requirements at BA for command upgrade ? Obviously seniority based but what about min hours, experience on type etc etc ?

    Thanks.
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