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Old 26th Feb 2019, 00:57
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Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: North of the Wall
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Hello everyone,

I've just booked the first day assessment and after a read through the previous comments does anyone have any insight into the SHL verbal reasoning/Maths test or a good place to practice?

PMs are gratefully appreciated any any tips you care to share.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 13:16
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Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Timba Hold
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Are you going to be full time at pp20+ when the money finally gets good? I certainly cant imagine after 20 years I'll even be medically able to do it. Last summer was the hardest Ive ever been worked and worst I've ever felt. Cant see it getting any easier.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 19:04
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: UK
Posts: 10
Out of curiosity, can anyone give figures for how much they spend on commuting per month? Both SH and LH, just as an idea. I've done my sums and want to see just how close or far off the mark I am.

Cheers,

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Old 26th Feb 2019, 20:18
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: France / UK
Age: 65
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LH from Paris to London. £600-£800 per month.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 20:56
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: england
Posts: 738
Wow...that’s double what I pay from Southern Europe to LHR about 3-4 times a month. Return hotlines can be a good deal. Not as good as EZ concessions sadly.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 21:09
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If you are just looking at the airfares then hunterboy’s figures sound reasonable...

OTOH if you start factoring in transport and perhaps parking costs at the “home” end, plus, perhaps (being mindful of BAs views on “commuting” ) adding in some hotel/B&B costs at the LHR end into the mix I can how you could start getting up towards the sort numbers eckard has come with.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 21:49
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Join Date: May 2005
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Sorry; should have been more clear. As wiggy says I have included accommodation as well as transportation. Hotlines are generally 90EUR return but sometimes more. Rail return to CDG about 36EUR. Accommodation between 30 and 80 depending on how posh I want to be. Say 50 average. So each return commute is about 180EUR. Multiply by 3, 4 or 5 gives 540, 720 or 900EUR. I try to create back-to-back trips if I can.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 23:14
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Botswana
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My Short Haul commute which involved flight to Gatwick and National Express Coach to Heathrow (including hotels at LHR) used to average out at circa £600pcm. Surprises me greatly that a long haul commute could be in excess of that figure or even close to it given the greater requirement for nights on the Bath Road prior to an early duty on SH plus daytrips in a block.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 00:37
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Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: LHS 737-800
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Originally Posted by JulietSierra6 View Post
For any potential joiners, remember there are thousands of BA pilots that do not post on this forum. That’s not to say they are all 100% happy but despite the fall in T’s & C’s of recent years many still find it to be one of the best jobs in the country. It’s all circumstance dependant. We’ve a lot to fight to maintain and try to get back in some cases, but people above making out that Ryanair of all places is now the better option is (for the vast majority) frankly nonsense.

I’ve only been in a few years and it’s not perfect, but generally I’m happy, I have taken an early command, live close to my home base (Sussex flying club), fly about 650-700 hours a year and spend a lot of time with my young family. I have a huge variety of options available to me should my circumstances change.

Come in with your eyes open and remember you’re joining a seniority airline towards the later end of a recruitment bulge, but don’t base your decision entirely on the unbalanced views above.

How are the “above” posts unbalanced ? The poster has worked for both BA and Ryanair. I suspect you haven’t but I could be wrong.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 05:57
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Originally Posted by Lazydogg View Post



How are the “above” posts unbalanced ? The poster has worked for both BA and Ryanair. I suspect you haven’t but I could be wrong.
You are wrong
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 07:11
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
My Short Haul commute which involved flight to Gatwick and National Express Coach to Heathrow (including hotels at LHR) used to average out at circa £600pcm. Surprises me greatly that a long haul commute could be in excess of that figure or even close to it..
I’ll second eckhard (again)

..I’m at the end of a European commute and by the time I’ve paid for the flights (over a year you are looking at at least £100 return,) factored in a £400’ish plus annual car park pass at the home end (no free car parking at the airport for us) and two/three/four nights a month accommodation in a B&B or one of the Purple Palaces @£35 - £50+ per night I reckon £600 p.c.m. is easily achievable on many months, even for a Long Hauler...

(I’ve ignored getting to the starting airport ‘cos you’ll be paying that regardless of whether that is LHR or somewhere more exotic..)
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 08:45
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Fair enough Wiggy in my crown dependency we benefit from free parking at the home end, although the airport are keen to close this loophole (out of pure spite and vindictiveness as none of us will be using the long stay car park instead if they force us out) and a return ticket to Gatwick mixed between easyJet staff travel and BA staff travel usually averages £50, skewed towards the easyJet side of things as that’s what I usually use. I had absolutely horrific months in my first year as a Heathrow Short hauler where I had pre assignments and daytrips that I couldn’t get rid of where the cost was nudging up towards £1000! Something for any potential short hauler commuters to bear in mind. The latest inexplicable JSS twist where 2/3 day trips have been inhibited will not help commuters either.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 09:16
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
...The latest inexplicable JSS twist where 2/3 day trips have been inhibited will not help commuters either.
Ah yes, I read about that and was suitably confused ..(easily done I know)...the ”world leading rostering system” strikes again....
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 10:49
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JSS inhibitors appear to be pure trial and error at the moment, but it does seem as though they are aiming for, “You can create your own roster which is tailored to your particular needs, just as long as it looks just like this one!”
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 11:02
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


Ah yes, I read about that and was suitably confused ..(easily done I know)...the ”world leading rostering system” strikes again....
Is there any reference material for potential new joiners to read about JSS? I feel to join with eyes wide open requires a complete understanding of what the rosters will look like / are capable of looking like since that’s such a huge part of the lifestyle aspect. PM me if you would rather not put anything in the public...
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 11:51
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Thanks for the replies. I’ve budgeted for £1000 a month commuting from elsewhere in the UK. A car park pass at my ‘home’ airport is £53/month and as people have mentioned, hotels are on average £50 a night. I don’t know Hotline prices but standby tickets are around £80-90 return. As SH I’m assuming I’ll be down there 5-6 times a month. Does that sound realistic to those in the know?
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 12:24
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Originally Posted by Busdriver01 View Post


Is there any reference material for potential new joiners to read about JSS? I feel to join with eyes wide open requires a complete understanding of what the rosters will look like / are capable of looking like since that’s such a huge part of the lifestyle aspect. PM me if you would rather not put anything in the public...

One of the major major gripes ATM is there is simply isn't acomprehensive manual/reference material for anybody, be they new joiner or established employee. There was a vaguely useful very small iBook issued a while back but things have moved on and (as witnesses by the earlier comments) the rules keep changing...and even with a manual in front of you working with JSS is a bit like programming in a new langauge (coding in modern speak) I suspect you wouldn't learn much until you had been able to play with the interface (either the IMHO rather poor BA one, or the IMHO subscription paid better one available for ipads) and seen the result of your bidding commands.

Currently most "education" is being done via in house yammer conversations, posts on the BALPA forum, or drop in sessions at crew report or simply by word of mouth around the network/over a beer or coffee on a trip

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Old 27th Feb 2019, 13:14
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Are folk commuting on ID90’s or hotline tickets? Is there much difference in price and thinking within UK would availability of a seat be an issue if only on a standby ticket? Thanks
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 13:41
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Originally Posted by Jock Trapped View Post
Are folk commuting on ID90’s or hotline tickets? Is there much difference in price and thinking within UK would availability of a seat be an issue if only on a standby ticket? Thanks
Both...Hotlines can be cheaper than standby's... until you hit peak season (e.g. they ramp up massively around easter on "my" route

For ID90s seats can be problem, again depending depending on route, day of the week, holidays etc. Jumpseats may be available but there are never any guarantees ...
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 13:49
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ID90 v Hotline pros and cons:

ID90 fully flexible and cancellable.
Hotline possible to change after midnight UK time on the day of travel. Such change can be free but may also incur a fee.
Hotline cancellation only refunds the APD.

Sometimes Hotlines are cheaper than ID90s. Even if the particular flight that you want is more expensive, you can book the cheapest flight and then change it on the day to a better time, normally for free.

Hotline tickets give you full commercial passenger rights. Your seat is confirmed and you can normally choose a seat for free in advance. You can check in 24 hours before departure. You also gain avios points and Club tier points (not many on LHR-CDG!). You can clear through departures and security as soon as you like.
ID90s are issued on a “standby” basis; i.e. if space is available. No remote check-in. You must physically check in at LHR by STD-45 at the latest and then it’s a lottery whether or not you’ll be allocated a seat or whether you’ll remain on standby. Sometimes you have to plead with staff to get an “airside indicator” so that you can get to the departure gate. LHR departures security-gate cut-off is STD-35 which can be a bit stressful. Contact with the operating crew is useful as they can authorise a jump-seat which gets you over these hurdles.

In summary, I try to use Hotlines as often as possible as the experience is altogether more pleasant. The only time I would use ID90s is if I’m unsure of my plans and chances of changes/cancellations are high. Also, sometimes there just aren’t any cheap deals on Hotline, normally because I’ve left it too late.
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