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Old 9th Jun 2018, 21:11
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Good Evening Fellas & Females,

Just signed in to echo the sentiments of request directly above regarding Day 1 & beyond.

Can anyone who has already been on this well trodden path give us new hopefuls an insight into what to expect come Day 1 please? The Maths & Verbal reasoning is crystal clear. Just need some concrete clarity into what exactly does the modern CBT assessment entail? (shapes/ILS tracking/Hand info processing? classic skytest profile or?).

Feel free to Pass the Mustard

Regards

E.M
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 14:29
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Anyone got any information for stage 1 of the assessment? Any recommendations on what software/tools to use to prepare would be highly appreciated too!

Happy to receive PMs and thanks in advance

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Old 11th Jun 2018, 16:34
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Anyone able to share what the current hold pool waiting times are for LH & SH?

Cheers,

Bazza
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Old 12th Jun 2018, 10:57
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Stage 1; Maths test, multi choice answers and not too hard. Verbal reasoning, again not too hard, and quite clear cut, just read everything carefully. Finally there is the BA capacity test, which is the TCAS style one with a couple of systems to look after as well.

The classic PILAPT flight director/shapes/numbers isn’t used any more.
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Old 12th Jun 2018, 11:35
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Old 12th Jun 2018, 13:45
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Originally Posted by Flaplesslanding View Post
Stage 1; Maths test, multi choice answers and not too hard. Verbal reasoning, again not too hard, and quite clear cut, just read everything carefully. Finally there is the BA capacity test, which is the TCAS style one with a couple of systems to look after as well.

The classic PILAPT flight director/shapes/numbers isn’t used any more.

hello, Are the maths test graphical like the SHL practice questions?
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Old 12th Jun 2018, 15:53
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Is latestpilotjobs a must or not?
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Old 12th Jun 2018, 18:46
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Originally Posted by Flaplesslanding View Post
Stage 1; Maths test, multi choice answers and not too hard. Verbal reasoning, again not too hard, and quite clear cut, just read everything carefully. Finally there is the BA capacity test, which is the TCAS style one with a couple of systems to look after as well.

The classic PILAPT flight director/shapes/numbers isn’t used any more.
thanks. Much appreciated!
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 12:51
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Do they provide a calculator for the math tests?
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 14:31
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Originally Posted by Machpoint85 View Post
Do they provide a calculator for the math tests?
No calculator allowed. But they do provide a pencil and paper.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 14:35
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I'd like to prepare for my upcoming sim by having a look at Aerad charts like they use, and an example flight plan so I can see the format.

Does anyone know where to find copies (out of date is fine too!)?

Thanks a lot, please feel free to PM me if you can help.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 14:59
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Originally Posted by Dupre View Post
No calculator allowed. But they do provide a pencil and paper.
Thank you very much
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 15:48
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Originally Posted by Dupre View Post
I'd like to prepare for my upcoming sim by having a look at Aerad charts like they use, and an example flight plan so I can see the format.

Does anyone know where to find copies (out of date is fine too!)?

Thanks a lot, please feel free to PM me if you can help.

BA now use Lido charts. A google image search for Lido Charts brings loads of examples up.
From memory, you don't get a proper flight plan, just a basic fuel plan, very basic route and NOTAMS/Weather. So no need to study that.

For the BA sim assessment concentrate on CRM and pilot competencies more. They expect you to make basic errors as they recognise that people don't fly the 747 in basic modes every day. Its more how the two of you address this as a team.
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 06:07
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Originally Posted by Dupre View Post
I'd like to prepare for my upcoming sim by having a look at Aerad charts like they use, and an example flight plan so I can see the format.

Does anyone know where to find copies (out of date is fine too!)?

Thanks a lot, please feel free to PM me if you can help.
https://www.navigraph.com/ViewNews.aspx?newsId=70

When I was prepping for my Sim, I got a one month subscription for €7.50 and printed all of the latest Lido plates from here. Good Luck
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 07:45
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Revise, verbal reasoning and mental maths. Pen and paper stuff. Estimation, areas etc that kind of stuff. Fractions, percentages, long and short division and multiplication.

group excersise, just be yourself. Don’t sit there and say nothing and don’t take the ball and run with it yourself. In my group I was forced into the later because everyone just looked at each other and we would still be sitting there now unless I had got things moving. If needs be get it going but start distributing tasks to involve others and towards the end if needs be pull everyone together to come up with an answer between you but resist telling them what the answer is.

sim: you can’t prepare for it really. You can fly a 747 perfectly and still won’t get in if your CRM is not what they want. Again if everyone played the game I would still be in the sim answering a question with a question and making no real progress. Just make an effort to include your colleague, ask them for another option and if you can get a TDODAR in there a PPP and a bottom line for your decision then you will be pretty much ok. BA is very different from the airlines I was at before so it can feel pretty alien. It’s more of a “I know what I expect to do and how I am going to do it but I need to check that you know what we are going to do and how we are going to do it” that way we are both working to the same plan. Other airlines were far more “this is what I will do, got it?”

Hope that makes sense
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 14:42
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
Revise, verbal reasoning and mental maths. Pen and paper stuff. Estimation, areas etc that kind of stuff. Fractions, percentages, long and short division and multiplication.

group excersise, just be yourself. Don’t sit there and say nothing and don’t take the ball and run with it yourself. In my group I was forced into the later because everyone just looked at each other and we would still be sitting there now unless I had got things moving. If needs be get it going but start distributing tasks to involve others and towards the end if needs be pull everyone together to come up with an answer between you but resist telling them what the answer is.

sim: you can’t prepare for it really. You can fly a 747 perfectly and still won’t get in if your CRM is not what they want. Again if everyone played the game I would still be in the sim answering a question with a question and making no real progress. Just make an effort to include your colleague, ask them for another option and if you can get a TDODAR in there a PPP and a bottom line for your decision then you will be pretty much ok. BA is very different from the airlines I was at before so it can feel pretty alien. It’s more of a “I know what I expect to do and how I am going to do it but I need to check that you know what we are going to do and how we are going to do it” that way we are both working to the same plan. Other airlines were far more “this is what I will do, got it?”

Hope that makes sense
Thats great feedback, thank you, is there much in the way of graphical questions like the SHL stuff?
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 16:42
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[QUOTEIt’s more of a “I know what I expect to do and how I am going to do it but I need to check that you know what we are going to do and how we are going to do it” that way we are both working to the same plan. Other airlines were far more “this is what I will do, got it?”
][/QUOTE]

And just like that, Bex has nailed it. That is exactly the advice I would give, in a nutshell. Think like that and don’t crash or attempt a landing off a crazy approach, and i reckon you’ve cracked the sim. And group exercise come to think of it.
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Old 16th Jun 2018, 15:27
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Originally Posted by JV View Post
I should not even be on this thread, but, as an early retired and inconsequential Canadian, who flew numerous general aviation aircraft, and numerous airliners, mostly for charter operators (think britannia, monarch, and the like), long haul and short haul, big and narrowbody, and one asian national carrier doing long haul, I must say that being a pilot in the UK sounds awfully complicated. And yes, have flown into the UK numerous times, along with the rest of Europe. Just part of the job.

After a fair amount of outright bankruptcies, mass layoffs, and constant seasonal layoffs, it just so turned out that I had to get many new type ratings with the new employer, and all paid by the employer. So, none of this type rated requirement was going on. At the end of the day, it was just another airplane to learn. People of my ilk actually got fed up by going onto yet another course, just to fulfill employment requirements.

The two main carriers here, and, all of the American carriers, hire non type rated pilots all the time, and they provide all of the training. However, there are no cadet programs, people tend to have at the very least, 2000 to 5000 hours of flying time in anything that flies. Even if you had a type rating on one of their aircraft, it would mean little or nothing, since initial job awards are solely based on seniority driven openings.

I feel for you guys, aviation life in Britain sounds very hard...........

Cheers
I have the same background as you, except I'm a dual Canadian/British passport holder, and dual TCCA/EASA ATPL holder. About 9 type ratings for many of the same reasons as you, flown in Asia also.

I think this comment is nonsense. Maybe you should have gotten your EASA licence, and worked in the UK (not on a validation) before making those comments. You might see things differently. Then again, the majority of Canadian pilots (not necessarily you btw) are scared to death of the EASA ATPL exams, as most would never get through them.

Additionally, your comment about hour requirements, and no cadet programs is grossly outdated. In the 90's, and early 2000's, these comments would have rung true, but not in 2018.

To be honest, I feel worse for the Canadian kids who can't/won't make any money in their careers. You'd make more money as a TTC bus driver in Canada nowadays. It's a shame.

Cheers!

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Old 17th Jun 2018, 03:44
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Originally Posted by phonetic View Post
I have the same background as you, except I'm a dual Canadian/British passport holder, and dual TCCA/EASA ATPL holder. About 9 type ratings for many of the same reasons as you, flown in Asia also.

I think this comment is nonsense. Maybe you should have gotten your EASA licence, and worked in the UK (not on a validation) before making those comments. You might see things differently. Then again, the majority of Canadian pilots (not necessarily you btw) are scared to death of the EASA ATPL exams, as most would never get through them.

Additionally, your comment about hour requirements, and no cadet programs is grossly outdated. In the 90's, and early 2000's, these comments would have rung true, but not in 2018.

To be honest, I feel worse for the Canadian kids who can't/won't make any money in their careers. You'd make more money as a TTC bus driver in Canada nowadays. It's a shame.

Cheers!
So, not Canadian, dual EU/USA passport, flew in EU (on a full JAA ATPL) for a decade, and for the last decade in the USA. I have only 6 type ratings.. I don't know about the bus drivers here, but a second year FO at pretty much any non-regional is making over $100K. Over 95% of the people getting on at such places have over 2000 hours. There is ONE ab-initio program (JetBlue) up and running, and it starts with a 4 year degree, followed by a year or two of flight instructing, ALL PAID FOR BY THE STUDENT, around $200K). Beginning pilots go to the regionals and make (including sign-up bonusus) $65K/year. Again, I know nothing about Canada, but I definitely prefer the current situation here over the situation in the EU. Correct me if I am wrong, but none of the legacies hire of the street, if you don't do the approved school and are young enough you can forget about getting in (possibly different at BA, my experience is KLM/DLH). If you can't get onto a legacy your options are Ryanair/WOW/Vueling/Wizz/NAS and so on: temporary/zero hour contracts, no union protections, no social security. Never thought I would say it but aviation is a dumpster for starting pilots in the EU compered to the US.
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Old 17th Jun 2018, 12:18
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Originally Posted by Hans brinker View Post
Never thought I would say it but aviation is a dumpster for starting pilots in the EU compered to the US.
This is just plain wrong. I'm a newly qualified European pilot, married to an American so have the right to work in both the EU & US, so I've looked into this.

The main difference is that newly qualified cadets such as myself, rightly or wrongly, can get into the right hand seat of a commercial air liner with <200 hours. In the US (not sure on Canada) you have to do 1000 odd hours of instructing/crop dusting/parachute drops/banner towing for a hell of a lot less than a Ryanair FO. Ryanair and easyJet have or are ending the temporary/zero hour contracts, they're recognising unions and social security is built into our taxes. Now, I'm not saying their T&Cs are as good as the legacies, but I know where I would much rather do my first 1500 hours. And its my understanding from there you can get into any of the European majors off the street. In the US you have to go through a regional and have a university degree before the Majors will even look at you.
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