Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Terms and Endearment
Reload this Page >

BA Direct Entry Pilot.

Terms and Endearment The forum the bean counters hoped would never happen. Your news on pay, rostering, allowances, extras and negotiations where you work - scheduled, charter or contract.

BA Direct Entry Pilot.

Old 18th Jul 2018, 09:49
  #4881 (permalink)  

PPRuNe Person
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: see roster
Posts: 1,268
VinRouge, I think that's covered by the BALPA negotiated FREA (Fixed Rate Expense Allowance) - no individual items will be claimable. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
overstress is offline  
Old 18th Jul 2018, 09:54
  #4882 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 6,083
https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-man...anual/eim50051

(BA provide noise cancelling headsets on the flight deck)

As far as flight cases and HMRC are concerned, like overstress I've always thought that was covered by the FREA : "the industry wide FRE for airline pilots, and other flight deck crew (see EIM50052) does not include anything for items of normal luggage, although the pilot’s flight case is included"... that's from:

https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-man...anual/eim50055
wiggy is offline  
Old 19th Jul 2018, 15:32
  #4883 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: santiago
Posts: 40
Hi all,
I have just booked stage 2.

P.s.
I have a UK CAA issued licence but I want to renew my type rating in Italy with an Italian SFE.
Do you know what forms and what documents will be requested by the UK CAA.

Sorry for the Offtopic.

Regards,

Angelo26
angelo26 is offline  
Old 25th Jul 2018, 13:21
  #4884 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: England
Posts: 102
The BA website list all their salaries as 'Competitive' which makes it hard to try and make any sort of judgement on when deciding to move there from another airline.

Does anyone know what the Year 1 DEP FO (probably LGW) salary is? PilotJobsNetwork says £58,864 but not entirely sure how accurate this is.
TIA
GetTheQRH is offline  
Old 25th Jul 2018, 13:38
  #4885 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: somewhere hot and sticky
Age: 41
Posts: 284
Originally Posted by GetTheQRH View Post
The BA website list all their salaries as 'Competitive' which makes it hard to try and make any sort of judgement on when deciding to move there from another airline.

Does anyone know what the Year 1 DEP FO (probably LGW) salary is? PilotJobsNetwork says £58,864 but not entirely sure how accurate this is.
TIA
That figure is very accurate.
Dupre is offline  
Old 25th Jul 2018, 14:15
  #4886 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Home
Posts: 957
I have a mate DEP on LH type LHR based, joined couple or so years ago. Nearer £70G now with all the add ons.
cessnapete is offline  
Old 25th Jul 2018, 14:32
  #4887 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Botswana
Posts: 866
Repeating Dupreís Post the figure is very accurate. Yes all in youíre potentially looking at over £70k but that very much depends on many factors now that theyíve taken away the fixed flying pay. For instance sickness, multiple reserve periods that arenít particularly busy, months with leave and/or pre-assignments, theyíll all dent your take home. Plus if youíre looking to buy a property you can forget borrowing against the variable elements of the salary any more (at least not until youíve been with the company for two years and can produce twelve months of payslips and even then banks will only take into account half of it). So that figure is very relevant despite being seduced by the extras.
RexBanner is offline  
Old 25th Jul 2018, 17:47
  #4888 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: UK
Age: 52
Posts: 1
It would take you 28 years in BA to break even with Easyjet in terms of total income based on time scale to command as it stands.

All depends on what you want from life / a job.

BA is not the answer for all.
8029848s is offline  
Old 25th Jul 2018, 18:48
  #4889 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 34
Originally Posted by 8029848s View Post
It would take you 28 years in BA to break even with Easyjet in terms of total income based on time scale to command as it stands.

.
Absolute nonsense.

You can make all kinds of assumptions about things like time to command, time to long haul, whether you should include the roughly 1000 GBP/month downroute allowances BA pilots get paid that easyjet guys to not, the fact the BA total pension contribution is around 50% higher than easyjet, easyjet loyalty bonus, money earned per actual day at work etc. We could argue those things till we are bored to tears. Lies, damned lies and statistics (and all that). Frankly you can argue it both ways.

However, how on earth you came up with 28 years to break even takes some doing.

EllanVannin is offline  
Old 27th Jul 2018, 17:10
  #4890 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: The North
Posts: 29
Response Time

Hey guys, does anyone know how long they take for any initial response, after the submitting CV part? I got the immediate email to say the application was in, but is there a standard response time?

Thanks!
geardown1 is offline  
Old 27th Jul 2018, 22:27
  #4891 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Botswana
Posts: 866
Not on PP34 you don’t.
RexBanner is offline  
Old 27th Jul 2018, 22:52
  #4892 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: UK
Age: 52
Posts: 1
Its not rocket science guys...use excel......2/3 years to a command in Easy Jet Ryanair, considerably longer in BA to achieve the four figures in BA which is actually on SH command below the others carriers and yes...bingo...28 years plus or minus.

Ok the pension in BA is slightly better but we are almost identical on BA SH in terms of hours / productivity than Easy Jet / Ryanair.

If you live in the regions, even Jet2 makes more sense unless you crave long haul...in which join Virgin and have 5 days rather than 1/2 off before your next flight in BA.

Trust me...at the present caps, and we are 400 pilots short, you are highly likely to be ill, fatigued, or divorced in BA if things continue as they are.
8029848s is offline  
Old 27th Jul 2018, 23:28
  #4893 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: On the side of the pitch!
Age: 44
Posts: 495
It’s not that bad at BA, shall we steer the thread back to BA DEP recruitment as opposed an easy v ba v jet2 thread, there are other places for that. If it’s money you’re after go and fly in China. BA has a new CC, so things may or may not get interesting over the next few months. DEP recruitment opened up again, now requiring just 100 sectors with a TR which satisfies the ZFT requirement. This may or may not be less than 500 hours.
SinBin is offline  
Old 28th Jul 2018, 08:31
  #4894 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Botswana
Posts: 866
Originally Posted by 8029848s View Post
unless you crave long haul...in which join Virgin and have 5 days rather than 1/2 off before your next flight in BA.
Maybe on the 787 with all the engine issues at the moment. Certainly not true for the guys on the A330 and this is before all the issues with the 787 engines kicked off. Trip two days off, trip two days off was certainly true for the Airbus roster that I saw at VS. Plus do you really think it’s a secure place to work now Branson has sold it? Even when he owned it if you were bouncing around the bottom of the seniority list you were in dire peril whenever someone so much as sneezed on Wall St.

RexBanner is offline  
Old 28th Jul 2018, 13:43
  #4895 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Uk
Age: 39
Posts: 473
I have been looking at the whole BA/EZY deal for a while. I ran the figures a few days ago and it takes 21 years at BA to match the basic at EZY including their loyalty bonus. (SH Captain on PP34) Allowances are roughly similar so forget that one. The difference is pension. BA offer me 16.5% (avcís you see) where EZY offer you 7%. Essentially BA pay a lower basic but your pension or deferred pay is greater. If I were to change one thing about my position it would be to live closer to Heathrow. The commute is crap but honestly I canít live around London. That leaves a commute. Itís only just over an hour but itís a ball ache. Live near London I would take BA. Live near a regional airport I would take a LOCO with the hope of a base move one day. BA is a good company generally but if you are not fussed with LH or donít like living out of a suit case or a Van in a truck stop then there are better options.

Saw that managed path has opened which is great news.
bex88 is offline  
Old 28th Jul 2018, 13:46
  #4896 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Runcorn,Cheshire,England
Posts: 98
virgin has 750 hour annual limit, so there’s a slight advantage there. Absolute gold dust that kind of contract these day.
3Greens is offline  
Old 28th Jul 2018, 13:55
  #4897 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 1998
Location: south coast
Posts: 410
bex88 said "Saw that managed path has opened which is great news. "
Whats that then ?
Barcli is offline  
Old 28th Jul 2018, 14:16
  #4898 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 6,083
Itís the specific pathway/scheme for those joining from the military (and yes I agree with bex...it is good news)...

https://careers.ba.com/military-scheme
wiggy is offline  
Old 28th Jul 2018, 14:19
  #4899 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 122
Originally Posted by 3Greens View Post
virgin has 750 hour annual limit, so thereís a slight advantage there. Absolute gold dust that kind of contract these day.
And then last year they posted a loss in pretty favourable industry conditions. Weíll see how long the contract lasts
zero/zero is offline  
Old 28th Jul 2018, 15:59
  #4900 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: London
Posts: 60
Well the 750 limit has been here for the 22 years I have been at Virgin, and management have stated they are quite happy with this arrangement
4engines4longhaul is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.